i can't believe, three kids... >> alisyn: get used to the number. >> clayton: thanks chef, we appreciate you coming on. happy easter. >> jamie: happy easter, everyone it is a celebration for christians around the world, one of the holiest and most joyous days, commemorating though resurrection of jesus christ with traditional service and processions, including this. ♪ >> jamie: beautiful sight at the vat tan, thousands packing st. peter's square to listen to the pope's annual easter message and it is great to have you here with us, welcome to america's

news headquarters, i'm jamie colby. >> eric: i'm eric sean, happy easter and happy passover, scenes over celebration also in jerusalem, crowds flocking to the site where many believe christ was crucified and buried. we have team coverage this morning across the globe. greg bushing is in rome, leland vittert in the holy city of jerusalem and let's start with greg, streaming live outside of vatican city. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, beautiful easter day and so many people have come to rome, they have been blessed for this whole -- holy week and the crowd at st. peter's square, absolutely overflowing and you can see from the faces and the flags, people are coming from across europe and from around the world to get here to rome to celebrate easter. as usual, the square was really decked out well for such a

festive occasion and so many people celebrating the biggest day on the christian calendar and the pope's message, one of hope, one of joy and says easter means reliving what mary magdale magdalene, encountering the risen christ and this is an encounter which changes people's lives in a radical way and is a healing encounter, to gets you to know good's goodness, and, it is a day of joy, and pope benedict xvi mentioned places around the world where christians are facing suffering and discrimination, putting out a special prayer for them, guys? >> eric: thanks. >> jamie: a special message at that and for more on easter, let's go to jerusalem, leland vittert joining us live from the holy city. hi, happy easter to you. >> reporter: happy easter, jamie. this is where many believe christ was crucified in

jerusalem and there are thousands of people her streaming, to the church of the holy sepulcher, heading into that main entrance to the church of the holy sepulcher where there is jesus's tomb and we have video earlier and, what you get here is so many different sets of christianity coming together, to celebrate their faith and tradition inside of the church of the holy sepulcher and the entire week of holy week, people have come to experience a lot of things and had the holy fire ceremony yesterday, saturday, which included an amazing set of miracles, the oldest miracle known of the holy fire there, inside the house the church at jesus's tomb, where you have

pilgrims, from all over the world, philippines and russia and the ukraine and, the united states, and the fact that it is a different easter than what you experience in the u.s., no chocolate eggs or peeps but an overwhelming sense of spirituality they feel simply by being here. back to you. >> jamie: and many more than when they celebrate christmas. interesting, leland, thank you and still ahead, father jonathan morris will join us live to talk about easter sunday around the world, i'm anxious to ask him about what all of us can take from the holiday, christians and others alike in our next hour. stay with us. >> dave: a "fox news alert," two suspects have been arrested in a series of troubling deadly shootings in tulsa, oklahoma. five african-americans were apparently targeted and three killed and two wounded in these separate attacks. in the overnight hours, 19-year-old jake england and

32-year-old alvin watts were taken into custody early this morning by police, they say they will be charged with three counts of first degree murder and two counts of shooting with intent to kill, as we said, all the victims were african-americans and those suspects obviously are white and at this point, officially we are -- police are not officially labelling the shooting as a hate crime. >> jamie: while that investigation continues, delta airlines is apologizing to passengers who had what they say was a terrifying flight from atlanta to phoenix, yesterday the pilot declaring an emergency when the left engine blew out during landing and the plane eventually made it down safely and none of the 159 passengers were injured. >> eric: the afghan government reaching a crucial deal with the u.s. military on controversial night raids and would allow afghan judges to review the operations and decide whether

to... and, sign a long term strategic partnership and they say it will define what role the u.s. will play in afghanistan after withdrawing most of our troops, that should be by the end of 2014. >> jamie: and a potential snag to end the violence in syria. the regime says it will not pull its troops from cities without written guarantees from opposition forces that they will also lay down their depositions. last week, u.n. envoy kofi annan said syria's president had accepted a cease-fire and would withdraw his forces by tuesday, but the syrian government says, so far, annan's office has not delivered the required guarantees from the rebels. >> eric: close it, the demand from u.s. and other nations to close the nuclear facility, and, expected to be the demand in another round of nuclear talks expected to start this week in istanbul and sgoenegotiators wi

sit down for the talks and u.s. and european diplomats will demand the immediate closing of the fordo nuclear facility, the plant located beneath a mountain in northern iran. will they listen? joining us as he does every sunday about this time is former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. and fox news contributor, john bolton, good morning. >> good morning, happy easter. >> eric: to you, too, sir. this morning, according to the "new york times," they say of the talks, quote, we have no idea how the iranians will react. what are they, kidding? they'll react the same they they have been reacting the past couple of years. what do you think all the say. >> it is a very important negotiation and a lot does depend on iran but it is certainly an interesting confession that, for all of the claims that we have seen about our intelligence inside iran that the administration does know what iran will say.

look, i think the five permanent nebs and germany started off with a big mistake, by trying to limit the discussions of the fordo facility though they say that is the beginning of the negotiation, if i were in iran's shoes, i would make minimal or apaint concessions, keep the discussions going, offer to let the international atomic energy intentionally, for example come back to the fordo facility an string things out as long as i could. this is what jeern has done so successfully in the past and by limiting the opening round of the discussion if these reports are accurate, the permanent five plus germany are playing right into iran's hands. >> eric: and they want iran, to stop the uranium enrichment but there has been a u.n. resolution demanding that for years now. >> and that shows why it is a mistake to hone in on one thing

and the iranians will focus in on that and the tehran research reactor, which they discussed before and in effect as these negotiations proceed, if they do, what is happening is the underlying problem, the basic iranian-uranium enrichment program, is continuing and, our administration thinks iran is entitled to enrich uranium which is like saying you are entitled to a breakout position, just below nuclear weapons capability, a bad way to start. >> eric: you talk about the low nuclear capability and they've enriched 20% and what does that mean, there's a report it potentially means they could have a possibility of manufacturing four nuclear weapons within a few months? >> you know, the weapons-grade level of enriched uranium is typically 90% plus of the u-235 isotopes and 20% doesn't sound

close and reactor grade, 3 to 5% doesn't sound that close in fact reactor grade is 2/3 of the way there towards nuclear weapons capable enrichment and the 20% is about 75 or 80% of the way there and iran continues to build up its inventory of low enriched uranium and that is something else, that is important here. this is not simply a race to get one nuclear weapon. iran is broadening and deepening its nuclear program, all of which just makes it a growing threat every day that goes by. >> eric: how come the world can't stop them? >> because there has been mad yat american leadership for 20-plus years on the subject. neither the iaea nor the security council for the european union, or anybody else is really capable of stopping iran or any other rogue state that wants nuclear weapons. only the united states is capable of doing that. we have led from behind in the last three-and-a-half years and

led from behind for the 16-and-a-half years before that, when iran was pursuing that objective. we have got only ourselves to blame here for not understanding the nature of the threat and the extent of the threat, a nuclear iran poses and time is running out. >> eric: and on the each of the talks on friday, the prime minister of turkey, a exposed friend of tehran, came back from a visit there. look what he said. this is shocking. let me get your reaction. he says, quote, because of the lack of honesty, they keep losing credibility in the world. this is not the language of diplomacy but another language and that does not suit me, he's talking about the iranians, what they are saying and the prime minister of turkey is basically calling them a liar. >> well, he's right. that is the most encouraging thing i think he said in a long time and too bad we can't get our president to be honest about what is really going on inside that regime in tehran. >> eric: ambassador, friday the

talks start and i'm sure next sunday we'll be getting a recap, thank as always, good to see you. >> thank you. >> jamie: historians are excited, eric, right now, here's why. a live look at southhampton, in the u.k. the titanic memorial cruise and it is getting ready to leave. and will retrace the fateful voyage that left 100 years ago, the same number of passengers all climbing aboard, the menu is the same and staff members will be dressed in similar uniforms. and family members are aboard -- some of this original passengers, they are getting to take the trip and the titanic called unsinkable before hitting an iceberg and sank on the maiden voyage, april 15, 1912. >> eric: titanic mania, over the last couple of days. >> jamie: absolutely is. >> eric: mitt romney, the delegate count continues to grow and if he gets the nomination in august, who do you think he'll pick as his vice president? a lot of names are floating

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>> eric: easter sunday headlines, a truck carrying 9,000 gallons of gasoline crashed into a car near los angeles. man, look at that. looks like a movie, flames and black smoke shooting in the air as you can see, it took 150 firefighters, and two water-dropping helicopters to put out the massive fireball. no strikes. 40,000 at&t union members agree to stay on the job for the time being, their contract expired at m. midnight and the company and union leaders are stuck on who should pay for health care expenses and job protection clauses, anchorage, alaska tips the scales to make this winter the snowiest ever there and have gotten 133 inches of snow, just under 11 feet, and thankfully,

no snow is in the forecast at least for the next few weeks. ♪ >> jamie: speaking of the forecast, the g.o.p. candidates are trying to rack up more delegates before the convention, this summer, so far, mitt romney way out in the lead. if he gets the nomination, someone else will enter the spotlight, too. his vice presidential pick and big names are being floated out there, joining me now, john fund, senior editor of american spectator. good morning. >> thank you. >> jamie: let me talk to you about timing, how key is it to keep momentum going? you can rack up the delegates and you need excitement, too. you also need money. can announcing a vice presidential pick at this point, if mitt romney is the candidate, help him in terms of generating more excitement and funds? >> all previous presidential nominees have chosen not to do it that way. they've chosen to make their

announcement public just a few days or weeks before the convention and sometimes even at the convention. the bottom line is, you don't want to pick someone in may, because you may have a completely different race, and may have different issues, the economy might be better or worse. different states might be in play, and you really are locking yourself in, limiting yourself if you were the nominee this early. >> jamie: if you had to pick it today and you were mitt romney, what issues would you look for in a pick he may not be as strong on, and could use the help? >> the first rule is, ever since sarah palin was picked and that became a very controversial nominee, because she'd only been a governor for 18 months, and had some stumbles, clearly you will pick someone the media cannot pick apart immediately, someone who is seasoned and on the firing line and conversant with national issues and how much beating up the national media can put on you. that is first and second you

want someone who is compatible with you and you get along with them and they have a way of playing well with other political children so they don't go rogue. >> jamie: you me, get along in the sandbox? >> yes, don't go rogue. >> jamie: who could that be. >> i would say several clearly look very, very good. tim pawlenty who ran for president, the runner up to sarah palin when john mccain picked his choice in '08 is a safe bet, former governor of minnesota, acquitted himself well on the campaign trail though he was a little boring and ron portman from ohio, enormously credible, resume sterling, former budget director, former trade representative. former congressman. now, a senator from ohio, a key swing state. he'd be very good. then you go to marco rubio, who has all kinds of advantages, he's young, so there's some worry about inexperience there. but he's also a former speaker

of the florida state house. in the legislature, and he has a leadership position in an important legislative body and would help with the enormous my important hispanic vote and though he is cuban-american there would be ethnic pride with other hispanics descended from other countries and then he's also from florida and as we know from the 2000 election it can be the whole ballgame because florida has so many electoral votes and is filled with hispanics. >> jamie: do you pick, i guess florida is a double header. you've got also the demographic and also got the number of electoral votes but do you pick a state based on, if you are looking at other states, like ohio, which do you go with, do you pick someone that represents a demographic that is different or get as many of those votes as you can with your pick? >> as larry sabato, the political scientist pointed out in recent years presidents -- presidential nominees have not been interested so much in large states.

they've gone for other factors. mostly compatibility or excitement, for example, joe biden was from delaware, delaware has three electoral votes. sarah palin was from alaska. three electoral votes and neither state was in convention for the other party. so i think you are most likely to get someone that mitt romney says, i can work with this man, this can be my wing man or wing woman in the house, i can give them assignments, they are not going to embarrass me. you know, i think looking back, clearly, sarah palin was a controversial shows, a hail mary pass and joe biden turned out to be a controversial choice because he keeps making gaffes. >> jamie: 15 seconds. you mentioned women and i know ann romney will be a strong voice in the campaign, continues to be and could the vice present den pi -- vice presidential pick, be a woman? i know you are not larry sabato,

with a crystal ball. >> donna martinez from new mexico is not only a competent governor and has tea party backing and also is hayes panic and would have the same advantages in terms of creating credibility for the republican ticket. >> jamie: john fund, american spectator, great to have you here, sunday morning, john, take care. >> eric: is less more when you go to the doctor? getting x-rays and ekgs an antibiotics. well, you want 'em but, guess what? a new study says we may not need them all, coming up our medical a team, doctors siegel and samadi weigh in on whether we get tested too much. >> jamie: researchers report skin cancer rates are on the rise. for a particular segment of the population, that is most at risk, what you need to know, to protect yourself, and your family, straight ahead. if you're one of those folks who gets heartburn

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>> eric: sunday morning, you know that means it's time for "sunday house call," joining us dr. marc siegel at nyu's langone medical center and the author of "the inner pulse" unlock the secret code of sickness and health. >> jamie: and dr. david samadi, the vice chairman of the department of urology and chief of robotics at the mt. sinai medical center and if getting healthier means to peeps and no chocolates, today, i'm out. say it ain't so. >> it is a holiday. >> a free pass today. >> happy easter and passover... serving let's start with the first topic, go to the doctor and he tells you to get tests and you feel as a patient you want them and there is a debate among doctors who say, the testing is unnecessary and a panel of medical came out with a

list of routine practices and they say they are wasteful and profit-driven including x-rays and ekgs an antibiotics, and as a patient, you want the stuff, but are you guys prescribing too much? >> first of all, yes. we have 30% more tests than we need to be ordering in treatment and this is called choosing wisely and comes from the american board of internal medicine, my board and actually "consumer reports" and putting together analysts in all specialties to decide whether the tests are overdone. on the surface it is a great idea and the problem comes in in actually doing it. i look over the tests in the american college of physicians, which i belong to and i don't agree with a lot of this. they say no routine chest x-ray before surgery, sometimes you go on a respirator you might need one and ekg for a regular visit, i like a baseline and back page, no imaging studies and that may be true, but, eric, we're in a world of liability and malpractice.

if you are going to cut down on the amount of tests doctors order and have a panel rule on it and we don't and something happens to the patient, i say there has to be for the reform as part of this and i also -- also am worried about the information getting to insurance companies at a time of regulation and i -- we practice the art of medicine. where one treatment is not always better than another and one test works for one patient and not for another and if they cut down on us, too much. we are not going to have the options. >> eric: sdr do ydoctor, do you danger over the hippocratic oath, to covering your patients. >> the bigger question is why is it happening now and why are we talking about all of this today, 2012? and it's a simple formula. the fact is financially, the sources are limited. you have 2 trillion dollars, being spent on health care, and, almost a third of these tests an surgeries, cases comes from this

and the question is, what do we needed to do? and what this opens up is a great communication between doctors and patients. it basically, you know, there is a perception from the patient, that says, the doctor orders more tests, is a better doctor and i think mark's point is well taken but we have to be careful, talk to your doctor and, do you really need the test and what will it do for me and medicine, in general, the way i practice is look at pros an cons and it's -- if the benefits outweigh the risks it is good for the patient, are we overtesting? yes, and if you miss the patient with an aggressive prostate cancer, you are at fault and it is a thin line between taking care of your patients and making sure your emotions are intact and being sincere to your patients but not overdoing it. >> jamie: you mentioned for the reform and something that i think is key. board certified, go to the

doctor with the better qualifications and the doctor will be able to recognize some of the symptoms. with some tests that may not be necessary. or paid for that would bring the costs down and you wouldn't have to worry about getting sued. >> that is actually a good point. if you have a sinus infection and your internist gives you antibiotics, actually the sinus experts weigh in and say 95% of the time they are not needed and we have talked about that. go to the right expert and, david's point about opening the line of communication, between doctor and patient is good. >> jamie: great question. >> as long as the information is not misused. >> there are doctors out there, really afraid and practice defensive medicine. and, whether it is right or wrong is a different debate. but, i truly believe that there are sincere doctors that are trying to do the best for their patients, and, if they really see, this is the right fit they have to be able to do it and, these recommendations are great because it is based on evidence-based medicine and there are a lot of specialties

involved and thousands of dollars are involved, which is a great sign but you have to make sure that it doesn't become a guideline so when you need to get the test, now you have to throw -- go through a bunch of bureaucracy and be able to get more tests for your patients. >> jamie: i want to tell them go to foxnews.com if they want more information on the study. it was broad-based and, this was interesting because summer is around the corner and we have our first gorgeous day yesterday here and folks were going in the sun and there's a study and report that shows a dramatic rise in skin cancer cases, especially with folks under 40. dr. samadi? >> this is interesting because there are a lot of studies coming out of harvard public health school and also mayo clinic. showing that over the last 30 years the number of skin cancer among young dultinadults, among is up 8 fold and men, four fold and why is this happening? part is the fact that the tanning beds have come into our

society, we're using them more and more. something to be said about being tan, you know, you look great and feel great, and the reaction and perception from other people is, that is great an encourages more and more young adults to get this. media played a big role and entertainment so we need to be aware of this. recognizing this and screening for skin cancer is even more critical because as the numbers went up, number of deaths have not increased because we know more about melanoma and have a w picture of this and you have to recognize this and the alphabet of a, b, c, d, is critical, look for lesions and moles on your skin, always, anything that has asymmetric. look at this leagues, look at the borders, completely irregular and colors are variable and multiple different colors and diameter is usually 6 millimeters or more and, e stands for elevation or evolving

or changes and want you to pay attention to this and see your doctor immediately, i think screening plays a big role. >> jamie: and you can do it yourself, too. >> there is no such thing as a healthy tan, that is where we have to start and, actually, the author of the study, dr. brewer contacted me and said -- he's in may yo clinic and for young women, 20s and 30s, the issue is tanning beds, they give you 7 times more radiation than the sun and women going to tanning beds, especially in men society, that is a huge problem and power men and women, too much exposure to the sun leads to skin damage and you can screen yourself and look at yourself, as david said, and the key, in addition to that is, are your lesions changing? are they irregular? wrong color and changing? and go see your physician. >> jamie: we have to go. breaking news, eric.

>> eric: a giant of television journalism died, news man mike wallace, the associated press reporting that he has passed away. he has been living, we believe, in massachusetts, as we know, we grew up and watched hip for years, 1968, "60 minutes," his aggressive, interesting, intellectual questioning just minister farrakhan, ayatollah khomeini and we started on the radio, and hosting the news broadcast, interview bram, in new york, the dumont network and relished his job and, nothing else would send him around the world, and there were troubles and he was sued by general william west more land, a very difficult trial and wallace admitting that he had suffered from depression and became an

out spoken advocate about the issues of depression and retired in 2006, mike wallace, the first reports out, has passed away at age 93, of course, our hearts an sympathies go to his family, including our own colleagueere,e wallace, just an astounding role model, jamie, as you know for all of us with his intellectual, interesting, fascinating questions, he had sensitivity, he would confront his subjects, just a brilliant, brilliant news man, and don hewitt, the creator and producer of "60 minutes" at one point in the interview said you think of the three giants of cbs, three names come to mind. murrah, cronkite and wallace, a news man's news man. did not just want to sit by on the desk, but wanted to get out there and investigate and uncover a role model for all of us, mike wallace, sadly, reporting this morning, has died, at the age of 93. we'll be right back.

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>> eric: sad news to tell you about on this sunday morning, mike wallace died, the famed cbs news man sent so many years and decades at "60 minutes" with it his incredible interviews, a news man's news man, cbs news reporting he died at the age of 93 last night. he retired in 2006 and of course, what a -- an amazing person he was, on the phone now is fox news senior political analyst, brit hume, who of course knew mike wallace. brit, good morning, your thoughts on the sad news that one of the trend tetters, really of our business has passed away. >> well, first of all, my heart goes out to chris, his son and our colleague at fox and the rest of the family and i would say this about mike wallace. he had what i considered to be

the indispensable ingredient for being a superior news man, for a long time. and that is, he never lost his enthusiasm. you know, he had seen everything and done everything and had been everywhere and, you know, retired very late in life, because he still had the magic in green. he still found things interesting and still had a passion for the things he covered, and, that is an example and a qualification that all of us should aspire to. >> eric: i was watching an interview with him last week and, at the time he was 88 years old, and, said, can you imagine what type of life he -- he couldn't think of something more amazing than the gift of television journalism, to have the experiences and meet the people he met and see what he saw through those years. >> he had -- it is embodied in chris as well, he had this authority about him that made you listen to him. but you sensed when you were watching him do an interview or a news report, how interested he

was in the subject at hand. and, it was infectious. so, that when he was talking you couldn't take your eyes off him. and i just also say, when i was a young journalist, starting out and i wrote a book, many years ago, eric, before you were born... and, no one was kinder to me than mike wallace and he didn't have to do that, i was a young kid, getting started. he was exceedingly kind to me and he had me on his radio show and did a generous interview with me and i've never forgotten that and i thought he was a good guy. sorry he's gone. >> eric: you talk about him being a good guy, the host of night beat, channel 5, the dumont network and, he was tough, they said the worst four words in the english language is mike wallace is here to see you. and he was confrontational, aggressive and yet at the same time, brit, you knew he didn't have a cruel bone in his body when he'd have these fantastic

interviews. there was no meanness, mean-spiritedness. >> he didn't. that's right and i think -- that is important in television, because anger and meanness don't go over well on television and he was able to do confrontational interviews and chase people down and do all of that without coming across his sort of -- didn't have that about him and he was affable. >> jamie: brit, what you said strikes me, too, this is jamie, i had the privilege of working with mike at cbs, i was on the cbs evening news weekend and he took the time with young journalists, and he had such an amazing balance of that toughness, but being fair, in interviews. how difficult do you think that was, particularly in the earlier years? >> jamie: well, hard to know, but, he was... he had a long career and, one of the longest when you think about it, and i always thought he could have done anything, i thought he

could have been -- could have been the anchor of the cbs evening news, even during the cronkite area, they would have done fine with him. >> jamie: is there an interview that sticks out in your mind. >> there were so many. >> jamie: and also controversial figures, like dr. jack kevorkian and jose canseco. >> he did a tremendous interview once with vladimir horowitz and that was amazing. i didn't know mike was -- had this knowledge of music and all that, mike had a broad range of interests. and, the huge asset to him, because you would interview almost anybody. >> eric: brit, you mentioned the vladimir horowitz interview and the interview on youtube and i would urge everyone to watch it. i watched it last week. he said that was his favorite interview. can you imagine? of everyone he sat down with and he was tough on the reagans and became fast friends with nancy reagan, the vladimir horowitz interview was his favorite. >> it was a great interview,

really compelling, and, it was on "60 minutes" as i recall, and, one of these things, "60 minutes" looked for a mass audience and so you have this musician, that, a lot of the audience might not have been interested in, wouldn't have heard of, an old man at the time, and pinched looking in his old age and mike, you know, was so obviously enthusiastic about him it made you as a viewer, you were interested in him because mike was. >> eric: and the ayatollah khomeini interview, sitting on the floor with the iran grand leader and, is confrontational with him and says, excuse me, imam, not my words and puts his hands to his chest, in the interview and quotes someone, the egyptian president sadat, not my words, but the person basically calls you insane. >> madman. serving that's right, a madman, right to his face, there seemed to be few who could get away

with that without seeming cruel, at the same time he had a nuance that he showed his feelings that he was quoting someone else. and is that an art of interviewing that mike wallace had? it may have disappeared. >> it always helps as a journalist, if you make a sharp point, you try to be a neutral observer and interviewer. to atrick it to someone else, obviously, accurately. if you want to put a hard question to somebody like that. and, in an atmosphere like that, with that guy, he was interviewing, it was remarkable he got the interview in the first place, you want to know how that story happened. >> eric: yes. and also, the william westmoreland situation. relate, dealing with the vietnam war and allegations and he had a liable trial in new york city and later on discussed how that was, frankly, plunged him into a situation of depression. >> he had a long struggle with depression. and he was very open and candid about discussing that, and in

the case, the westmoreland case was one of the most celebrated lawsuits of its kind and the producer of that segment on westmoreland, george crowell, i don't know if he's still around or not, as in so many cases with magazine stories, tv magazine stories, producer is the praying force behind it and you put -- a journalist like mike, would do interviews and participated in it but the core of the work is done by a producer and, obviously, there is a reposed trust and as it turn out the story was -- all kinds of problems with it. serious problems with it. and, mike obviously suffered enormously because of that. and mrungi suppose contributed plunging him into depression and later he became a spokesman for the cause of fighting depression, and, you know, i had

never known that about him but it takes courage to do that and he deserves credit for that serving and, can you talk about someone with the on-air personality, yet as you say was a good guy. and, how he became friends with nancy reagan. very close. what is the... >> charming. a charming guy, and when i first met him as a young reporter, he was so nice to me, he was charge and he knew his brief, expressed an interest in me and you think people who are interested in you are charming. human nature and, you know, he had a captivating personality and i remember, very well, one of the conventions, mrs. reagan was sitting in her box and he kind of eases over to her and says, nancy reagan... you know, in the most familiar way and yet it wasn't disrespectful or flip or fresh. it was engaging. and, she was obviously charmed by him as well and he does the

interview and, you know, it was mike's charm that enabled him to do that. >> jamie: and the list goes on and on of those who mike wallace posed questions to, always prepared on his improves, like no one i have ever seen and he got folks to answer even in a forceful way, he'd ask a question that might be disturbing, they opened up. what do you think the secret was to that? >> well, people open up to people they feel comfortable with. and he had this remarkable ability to present you with the question you might least want to answer, but you felt if you were going to answer it you would answer it to him. sort of felt, you want to please him and wanted -- he was interesting, and seemed so interested you wanted to tell him. you know? >> jamie: amazing, our hearts go out to the family and we send our love to chris as well, and, mrs. wallace, thank you so much, brit for weighing in. >> happy easter to you both. >> jamie: tough to talk about, we have so many memories.

thank you. >> thank you. >> eric: brit, thank you very much, for you sympathies to chris wallace and the wallace family on this sad morning, for them and all of us in broadcast news an journalism who loved the business so much, let's look back now at the career and life of mike wallace. >> he was called the toughest and most feared interviewer on television. >> i'm mike wallace... >> eric: he was born on may 9, 1918. in brook line, massachusetts. he was one of four children, frank and zena, in high school, he was heavily involved in extracurricular activities. including public speaking, and the school newspaper. he attended college at the university of michigan. and planned to be an english teacher. but he was bitten by the broadcasting bug. >> night beat... >> eric: his first break in tv, a show called "night beat" and grilled newsmaker and his style was a hit and he joined cbs in 1951 and left after a few years

to host other tv shows. in 1963, he was back at cbs news, as a special correspondent. five years later, he was one of the founding members of "60 minutes," which made its debut with co-editor wallace, interviewing attorney general ramsey clark. beyond newsmakers he covered stories ranging from her win addiction, draftee vacation, biological warfare, to the kent state shooting. >> for the first time, u.s. law enforcement, ohio law enforcement in this case, killed somebody on a college campus. killed four, wounded 9. that is when suddenly, suddenly, the nixon administration, john mitchell, spiro agnew, foolishly had established a climate, calling people less than patriotic... >> eric: he was also known for his ambush interviews. >> everybody has to lay like

cockroaches around here. i don't understand. >> dave: his legacy includes an interview with malcolm x. >> are you not, perhaps, afraid of what might happen to you, as a result of making these revelations? >> oh, yes, i'm probably a dead man already. >> dave: dr. martin luther king, jr. >> in our studios in chicago with dr. martin luther king. >> dave: yasser arafat. >> mr. chairman, there are palestinians who would like to kill you. >> maybe they are opposing me, but... >> dave: a ground breaking interview with a man known as "dr. death." >> there is something goaolish for your desire to see the deed done. >> i can't criticize you for that. >> four score... our fathers brought forth a new nation... >> dave: and interviews read like a who's who of newsmakers. >> you must be good to me. >> why would i be otherwise. >> you would love to control the piece. >> absolutely. are you kidding? of course.

i don't trust you. >> national pastime... >> it is. >> throughout his career, he found himself to be the story. a documentary he generated on general william westmoreland led to a $120 million liable suit, accusing wallace and others at cbs of producing a report slanted and untrue and the case was settled out of court. later, wallace made his battle with depression public, and he said he suffered because of that lawsuit. always unafraid of controversy, in the 1990s, he took on the tobacco industry. and eventually, his own network. >> they just did not want this piece to go on the air. because they were in the middle of negotiation with westinghouse to sell cbs to westinghouse and they would not want to buy cbs if it could be buying at the same time a 10 to $15 billion lawsuit. >> eric: even in his 80s he kept up a full schedule. >> i was married for 28 years to

a woman who fed me nuts and raise since and occasional fish. and we lived in a townhouse in new york city. five stories, up and down those 20 times a day. >> eric: in 2005, fox news sunday host, chris wallace sat down with his father on his program. >> and you don't retire because... >> because i love -- it's not work, what i do. i love what i do. when i get up in the morning and i think i'm going to have the opportunity to... i wasn't as happy about working this morning. >> i felt the same way! >> in '04 he retired as a full-time correspondent and continued to contribute until finally hanging up his microphone, after almost 60 years the unmistableable voice of mike wallace was not on the air, but his approach and style marked him as a journalistic legend who inspired generations of newsmen and women and his

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>> we start with a fox news alert on this easter sunday morning. a giant and pioneer of american television journalism hasfy

anded, mike wallace. he was 93 years old. mr. wallace passed away in new haven, ck connect, he had been ill for several years. his family was at his side. our hearts and prayers go out to his family, including our fox news colleague, chris wallace. mike wallace retired in 2006 after several decades of running on "60 minutes." he started in 1939. had a channel -- had a show on channel 5 in new york. he was aggressive. he wanted to be known as tough but fair. on the phone, joining us is the fox newschannel chairman and founder, roger ails. your thoughts? >> very sad day in television. all of us who knew mike admired him. he was a bit of a controversial character throughout his career. he was one of the toughest interviews. but he will always be in the pantheon of greats in television and gormism.

-- journalism. he became a watch word when people used to joke and he was at "60 minutes" and they would say, you know, the most frightening words in the world were mike wallace is here. so, you know, a guy who has left his mark on the -- on the business has passed. he worked right up until five or six years ago, i think. i want to pass on my own thoughts and prayers to his family, chris wallace, of course, does fox news sunday for us. you know, chris wrote a book called "character: profiles and presidential courage." i know that he loved and admired his father a great deal. in fact, just a week or so ago, we were talking about him. you know, he's just left an indelible mark on our business. >> you know, his interviews were

so intelligent, so probing, and he was also sensitive. you got a sense that he was never cruel. he wasn't mean and vindictive, even if he was throwing that controversial question at you? >> well, he didn't necessarily play gotcha. he asked intelligent and very tough questions to answer. but, you know, many people who weathered mike wallace interview grew to respect him greatly. you know, have great regard for him because i don't recall anybody ever saying to me, he took a cheap shot or, you know, he did the obvious or that he was -- you know, playing some kind of game. he actually was trying to serve the audience and that's what made him great. he also had one of the great voices. >> why do you think that's important? you talk about being a great voice? he started in 1939. had the nightbeat show. he was compelling to watch.

>> yes. you know, he weathered a lot of things. people forget, i think mike sold cigarettes on television in the 50s back when it was acceptable. he did ads. he did commercials. he knew our business inside out. he morphed into one of the great journalists of our time, thanks to "60 minutes" and that show began in 1968 and that original team became iconic in our business. and the number-1 show for many, many years at cbs. >> >> jamie: roger, to give folks perspective out there. he did start so long ago and had such a leming endary run, as they would say, that's very rare in this business, to be able to be on television so long and to love every day of it as he has said again and again. what do you attribute his ability to do that, to continue to be relevant and interesting

and probing, as eric said, but have a reputation of someone you would want to sit down and talk to? >> i used to run into mike occasionally on the flood airports. we would talk a little bit. he was out there, going after the stories. he never got tired, even as he got older, i mean, he got on a plane and would go get a story. he was always interested in the subject. he was always curious, which makes a great newsman. he pursued things personally. he didn't sit around and hope somebody else was going to hand him something. he would go get it. >> jamie: it's hard to imagine an interview that he hasn't done, isn't it? >> everybody in the world that i know of, through the last several decades ended up at one time or other, talking to mike wallace. he is just a legend and will always be. you know, i have had a talk with

him about chris wallace. chris doesn't know this, but mike had great admiration for chris. he told me thing, he said, you know, chris has some things i don't have. chris has a gentle approach to things, but he is as dogged as his father in terms of going after the truth. that's one of the reasons we hired him at fox. he gives a fair and balanced interview, but he keeps coming. >> eric: he's got the gene pool. our hearts and prayers, of course, go out to chris and his family and mr. wallace's family. roger, another point you mentioned, he was so confrontational yet at the same time, he became friends with some of the very people he would grill. i am thinking of this great friendship with nancy reagan, among others, that to some would be surprising. what was his ability to transcend the television news journalist role to become

friendly with some of the people that he dealt with? >> well, i'll tell you a secret. many, many years ago, richard nixon said to me that that guy wallace is okay. i thought, gee, that's odd coming from him. i wonder what that's about. it turns out that once pat nixon, who was very shy and retiring and didn't like to be around the press, got trapped in an outgoor spot against a fence in a pack of journalists who were shouting questions at her and everything else. and she obviously was quite uncomfortable. apparently, mike walked through the crowd of journalist, took her by the elbow and took her out, got her out of there. and the family saw that on television. so they never really disliked mike. they knew mike wallace had a heart. >> eric: a man of dignity and decency. we thank you so much, roger, for joiningous this easter sunday. our hearts and prayers go out to the family.

as we remember mike wallace on this sunday morning. >> jamie: thank you. >> thank you. >> eric: now we continue with the news on this easter sunday morning. hello. lifting the veil of iran's secret nuclear program, the u.s. watching the regime with spy drone, deploying the aircraft over dozens of nuclear sites all over iran, saying that one day, they could serve as a critical warning as iran's newtrue nuclear activity becomes apparent. good morning on this easter sunday and happy passover. i'm eric shawn. >> jamie: i'm jamie colby. any information would give the united states a six-month window

to forge a plan of attack. some critics wonder whether that would be enough time. we have the latest on this story hi, doug. >> reporter: we may see this come to a head this week when talks are set to begin to persuade iran to give up a nuclear weapons program. in the meantime, the u.s. is talking up u.s. intelligence on iran to buy some time from israel. the washington post reports that the obama administration has grown more and more confident about what the cia and other intelligence agencies have been able to learn. they say that according to white house official, iran hasn't made a decision whether to build a weapon and in-- if that decision was made, iran would need a year or six months to make it happen. in the last six years, the cia has ramped up its effort, including the use of drones. though one of the drones was captured, the white house is telling israel that we know

where iran's program stands and to hold off on any kind of military action. >> certainly, we have military options that we can use to take doub these facilities and our administration has said that those options are on the table. clearly, the israelis have military options. but the problem is that the israelis want us to do it in conjunction with their military attack. >> reporter: that brings us to talks will asked for friday with iran, the and u.s. five other nations. according to the new york times, the white house will insist that iran shut down a nuclear facility built underneath a mountain and that position is described as a last chance for iran. >> eric: all right. we'll see. the talks in istanbul start on friday. thank, doug. >> jamie: there is lots of news today. there are, of course, all the easter celebrations around the world. we have our respiratories everywhere they need to be and we have fox news contributor,

father jonathan mars here. where did we meet? in a parking lot in rome. >> 10 years ago. >> jamie: it's great that you are here to tell what did you say easter means for all of us, christians and others alike. >> i don't just play a priest on television. at 11:30 a.m., i have a service. >> but the great news about doing a television segment in two minutes about the passion and the death and the resurrection of jesus is simple, that god loves us so much, despite our imperfections and sins and rejecting god, that god gives us a chance of redemption, salvation. the resurrection that we celebrate today is god overcoming the sin and the death that by our own misuse of our freedom, we have created. jesus is saying to us, i have resurrected. there is new life. there is new opportunity, begin again.

start over again. life is tough. but i suffer with you. i suffered the cross. i suffered the passion. and now, together, we can be resurrected with the simple act of forgiveness, repentance and that's very good news. >> jamie: i bring up that chance meeting in rome many years ago because there is a mig 95 sense in the vatican city with the pope coming to the window and giving his message today, which included syria. his message was peace, how important is it to be there to experience that? why do so many pilgrims flock to there and to jerusalem? >> i lived in rome nine years and i was with cardinal dolan in jerusalem. so i have been blessed to have that opportunity. but whether you have or not, whether you are catholic or not, we all can say that peace, the message that the pope gave after his celebration today, is something that resonates with the soul. and that each in our own lives,

we have an opportunity to either choose peace or to choose conflict. to choose love or to choose hatred. yes, i really do believe that today, easter sunday is an opportunity for us christian or not, to recognize that, when we choose peace, choose the better portion. >> jamie: father, tuffe mass for you. we got a preview here -- >> if i am late for my 11:30 service, people are not going to feel peaceful about me. they are going to say, what is more important, television? >> eric: they will forgive. >> god bless you. >> jamie: thank you. god bless you and to all of you this easter sunday. there he goes. we are not kidding. >> eric: the march jobs report wasn't as rosy as expected. 120,000 jobs were added, but that's far below expectations.

and unemployment did drop, but experts say that's because discouraged job seekers stopped looking for jobs. there are worries that the economy, if it slows down again, how tell affect the election in november? joining us for a fair and balanced debate, doug shone, author of the book "hopelessly divided" and dee dee, our public analyst. if ththing its start slowing down, what does it mean for the race for the white house? >> we are already in the abyss. so to say it's slowing down, it just isn't going to make a difference. we need mitt romney, the business guy, the punish who has created job, including in my home state. look, this president is a good singer, a good singer and a good

community organizer burks he has failed with the economy. president clinton and president reagan and president bush all had great recoveries. since world war ii, this has been the mome most anemic recovery that we have had. this is not good for the president. we need to have new and better leadership. >> eric: doug, what about the need for romney? >> needless to say, i think romney who, has flip-flopped and offered a couple of economic plans has yet to prove his mettle. but i would disagree that i believe that when the economy started ticking up a couple of months ago, the president's approval rating and vote share went up as l. i think it's fair to assume that if the recovery stalls out and if joblessness were to increase, the president's numbers would drop. but this will be a close election, either way. the fact that the economic growth is well under 3% and that

we have had the job loss we have had certainly make this is very, very, very competitive. >> eric: doug, there is something like 88 millions who are not looking for jobs. so the actual unemployment rate is 14.5% or more. how come that doesn't get more traction? >> i think the political class has missed the fact that there are under-employed workers, working as hard and earning 30-40% less than they did previously. so i think there are huge, huge amount of hurt going on. but romney has been in a divisive primary. and at this point, romney has yet to offer a credible alternate testify obama's policies. >> eric: dee dee, what about a credible alternative? >> certainly, he has. whenever you have walked the walk, i think that makes a big difference. obama has talked the talk.

the stimulus didn't work. he said, if he wasn't able to bring the economy around, he shouldn't be re-elected and he's right. he has seven months. when have you a drop in the bucket and whenever our economy is the -- the hole that we have, it's like the grand canyon. we are not going to be able to dig out of it. there is nothing we can do soon enough, which is why obama's talking about women's issues and trying to have a war on women, which isn't even there because he cannot run on the economy because he's had a very, very dismal reaction in and it is not good and people are not happy with him right now in the economy. if we do not see enough of a change, i don't see how we do because we are in such a hole. there is no way that he will be re-elected? >> there's dee dee's prediction? >> i think it will be close. if there were an election tomorrow, president obama would win narrowly, but we have a long way to go. there are a bunch of international events that could

impact, as well as the impact of the economy. i give the president a slight advantage, but that could change. >> talk about gas prices -- >> that's right. >> people are very upset. people don't have the money. in the real world, that's the way it is. whenever you have fortune tellers and have you succi and beef wellington and fancy parties in washington, those of us in indiana and the rest of the world -- >> guilty to being a pollster, but i'm no fortune teller. >> eric: thanks. always good to see you. >> jamie: parents sure know this, they have a lot of student debt they may be carrying for their kids. we have reached $1 trillion in student debt. it's more than all of our credit card debt combined. what do graduates and parents need to know to make sure this isn't the next big bub toll burst. that's next. what's withou? trouble with a car insurance claim. [ dennis ] switch to allstate. their claim service is so good, noit's guaranteed.

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there is a possibility that it won't, if congress passes an act to make sure that it doesn't double. people should be looking at alternatives for paying down that debt quicker. tapping into home equity, if possible, if that exists for you, would be a great way to do that, considering that home equity loans and mortgage rates

are so cheap right now -- >> jamie: but a lot of people don't have equity in their home. let's face. it a lot of people are sitting on homes that are worth less so they may not have that. >> exactly. >> jamie: are there other option snitches the other option would be to look into tapping into your 401(k) and take egg loan from there. that would be an alternative. unfortunately, though, other than that, it's really a question of, you know, all you can do is continue to pay on it and not get yourself into more debt. one of the things that has me very concerned is the number of younger parents out there who are putting their kids into private schools and spending thousandings -- thousands of dollars a year before the child gets to college. >> jamie: there has been a lot about parents borrowing for kinder gart nen private school. you are a big proponent of public school as an option.

if a parent wants to do that, there are rules let's say, from borrowing from a retirement account for education expenses? >> you can certainly take loans out for various needs out of your retirement account. >> you need to look into what is best for you, with regard to that and understand that if it is coming from specifically, a 401(k), it's a form of paying yourself back, over time. and that is okay. you can start also an education ira, as well. that would be something that you could start to do, even before you have a child. but again, i would really eye am a proponent of not putting yourself into that position because it's going to hurt yourself in the long run to save for retirement because we all know that ultimately, we can't rely on social security being around and affording -- supporting us. if you are younger --

>> jamie: ultimately, your message is very strong. due to breaking news, i have to leave it there. but the point about being preventative and assertive in terms of putting money away earlier for education is a great idea. we'll take that tip. thank you so much. >> take care. >> eric: great advice, every weekend. >> jamie: thank you. >> eric: an election fraud case for the race for the white house. the voter fraud unit coming up. four political operatives face felony charges from the 2008 presidential race. we will have the inside look, next. this one's for all us lawnsmiths.

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>> jamie: overseas and the afghan government reach egg deal with the u.s. military on controversial night raids, clearing away a key obstacle

that existed, preventing our two nations from crafting a long-term strategic partnership. we go to kabul, afghanistan. hi, dominique? >> reporter: hi, jamie. night raids have been a controversial and divisive issue here. in fact, president karzai has said it's been the biggest cause of anti-american sentiment. but from now on, all night raids will be afghan led and will fall into afghan jurisdiction, after a memorandum was signed by the u.s. top general here and will join allen and the afghan defense minister. now what will happen, the u.s. troops will support an elite group of afghan special forces operatives as they go around, trying to target the key terrorist, the biggest threat to stability here in afghanistan, itself. the kind of supports that the troops will be providing, special forces, from air support to fire support and medical

evacuation, and of course, most crucially, intel. intel is what helps the soldiers find out who these terrorists are. the u.s.-led intel really rules here. they are guiding the afghans going forward, however much that nato and the afghans say they are in charge of night raids. so effectively tappears that the afghans will be doing much of the heavy work, the truth of the matter is that americaville a stake in who is targeted here. it has become such a controversial issue that this is something of a major coup here. but what this really does for america is clear the way for a strategic long-term partnership, once the combat troops roll down in 2014. we will see in chicago, the kind of relationship that nato and the united states will have with this country, come that point, while combat troops leave, u.s. forces will need to stay on until a full withdrawal can be

announced. >> jamie: we appreciate your reporting this morning, thanks. >> eric: to the fox news voter fraud unit. charges of election fraud in the 2008 presidential race, allegations that some of the petitions that put barack obama and hillary clinton on the ballot in indiana were faked. four committee democratic officials and operatives were charged with forging names named signatures of unsuspecting voters. reports have said so many names were forged that the president may not have legally qualified for the indiana primary. the former long-term chairman of the st. joseph democratic party, butch morgan, is accused of organizing the scheme, carried out inside the democratic headquarters. pam burnett, and democrat elections worker, bevly shelt know were charged as was dustin

blithe who, forged signatures on obama's petitions. but when we caught up with him in november, he wouldn't talk to us. >> can you talk to us about the petitions in. >> no, i'm sorry. >> did you forge any subjects? >> i don't have anything to say. >> eric: did you take any petitions at all. >> i don't have anything to say. >> eric: numerous voters told us they never signed the petitions is that your signature? >> that's not my signature. >> eric: did you sign this pecision -- petition for barack obama. >> no. >> eric: this is a fake? >> absolutely. >> eric: they have pled not guilty in court. joining us is the young man who first discovered the alleged fraud, a junior at yale university from indiana. he wrote about this in the nonpartisan newsletter, highway politics in indiana. good morning. >> good morning. >> eric: it's astounding. you are a college student. this sailed through the voter registration board, allegedly

officials were in on it. no one in the indiana state elections hierarchy knew about it. it happened three years ago. what does it show that this was able to apparently, allegedly, go on so undetected? >> no one knew because the people who would have been in a position to detect it were the people, according to prosecutor this is week, who were committing the alleged fraud. >> eric: and that means, insiders can allegedly pull this off? >> that's exactly what happened. the process in indiana is to submit ballot petitions to voter registration offices. but it was officials in the offices that apparently were committing the proud to. >> eric: what does this do to the credibility of the election systems? we want to trust it. but you have something like this? >> i think eye think, on one hand issue it's very troubling because, we want to maintain more faith in our elections than

what this particular instance demonstrated to us. i think it's a reasonable question to ask whether, if this happened in northern indiana, where else might it be happening? at the same time, this is something that came out thas been reported reported on widel. there were four indictments released this week. i think we can feel good about that. >> eric: one young man, 26 years old, prosecutors say he came forward and spilled the beans about all of this. his attorney calls him a hero and says that lucas is a whistle-blower, but here's what the attorney for justin blithe said, saying of lucas, he is a disgruntled employee, dismissed and is acting out of a vendetta, 3 years ago after the poititions were entered, he wnts to the newspapers, he didn't go to the police. he is out to harm people, not because he is any sort of good samaritan. what do you make of that? >> i think the people who were

harmed were the hundreds of people in northern indiana who had their signatures apparently forged on petitions that they didn't intend to sign. i i think mr. blithe's attorney is obviously going to make a strong defense as he can of him, i am inclined to believe that the whistle-blow or which prosecutors are in large part relying to make this case, is a hero, i agree. i think this is one of the things that we can feel best about, about all of this. >> eric: what do do you think te message is? that someone who said he was in on it has come forward and told the world about it? >> the i think the message is vigilance. no one was watching the watchmen. but as long as people like the whistle-blower who came out last week and who came out with -- started cooperating with the prosecutors last fall, exists, i think as long as media like you and otherses are interested in covering these kind of things, i

think, hopefully, you know, we will continue to discover -- discover this when it happens. >> eric: all right. now we know why you are at yale. ryan, tharch you for joining us. congratulations on your work. by the way, you talk about us covering this stuff -- voter fraud@fox news.com. we're on the allegations and charges across the country. >> jamie: eric, thanks for that. the latest numbers show the national unemployment rate creeping down, but is the number of jobs being created really shrinking? we will look at the real and actual unemployment rate. might surprise you. we'll be right back. [ female announcer ] need help keeping your digestive balance?

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>> jamie: well, the latest jobs report showed that unemployment dropped to 8.2 percent, but that

is in part because of people who dropped out of the job search. it is not because more jobs were necessarily added and another jobless statistic is the u-6 rate that shows the real unemployment rate is about 14.5%. joining me, brenda buttner, sobering numbers. why is this u-6 rate important? >> this is the rate that i always look at because in it particular recession, it is the one that is the most important because it includes the long-term unemploy and the unemploy who had say, forget about it. i am not going to look for work anymore. or i am a part-timer who would rather be working full time. those people are not include in the official unemployment rate. so this is a more real picture of what our unemployment rate

is. at 14.5%, that's unprecedented. it is quite high. it is about double the official unemployment rate. it was 14.2, when president obama took office. i am noticing that it was 17.2% in october of 2009. so is there no reason to say, well, we have come down, it is way beyond where it needs to be for us to see a true recovery? >> yes. it has improved. i mean thas improved. but it's still quite, quite high. and the other thing that is really important about it is that this concept of the long-term unemployed, which we haven't seen these kind of number, frankly, ever. 43% of the 12.8 million people are unemployed are long-term unemployed. they have been unemployed 27

weeks or longer. when you get to those numbers, there are few benefits left, they find it very difficult to find a job at that point. they find it much more difficult. so that makes this unemployment problem much, much more difficult than in past recessions. >> jamie: at least we understand what the real numbers are. i would take what it will take to get everybody back to work, but that takes much longera than we. thank you, brenda so much. >> thank you. >> eric: fox news alert, as we have been sadly reporting this mornings a giant of television news has died, cbs newsman, mike wallace. he was 93 years old and passed away with has family at his side in new haven, connecticut. truly a legend, he spent four

decades on "60 minutes," chasing the bad guys with the thought-provoking brews. he was a newsman's newsman. our thoughts and prayers are with our colleague, chris wallace, his son. mike wallace has died. he was 93 years old.

>> jamie: over the last several decades, we have seen a rise in the trend of multiple generations risk under one roof and now some construction firms are banking on it with a new style of home that has the entire family of mind. we go live to los angeles. >> reporter: jamie, happy easter. the idea of a traditional american family has really evolved over the last 30 years, especially when you look at the specific census data. that informs shows that more families are living with at least two dolt adult generations under one roof. that means a set of parents, kids and at least one grandparent. 16% americans, nearly one in five people, live this way. that's up 33% from 1980. experts say, the shift started with the growing immigrant

population here. >> you have minority communities where family and culture are really celebrated. when people get older, they want them to move in, they don't want to send them to a nursing home. >> reporter: and some home builders see this as a way to kick-start the home building sector. the nextgen model has a separate living space inside a home, zoned as a single family, available in california, arizona and nevada, all states with high minority populations. but some home buyers see them as a way to reduce costs. we spoke with a family in san bernardino, california, one day they plan to move in their parents, but for now, they are helping out a relative who fell on hard times. >> i think, just because of what the economy has done and a lot of people losing the home and jobs and so forth, that it works out, not just helps one person,

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liz was a colleague with mike wallace. good morning. >> good morning, eric. >> eric: can't help but saying, we really lost a class act. >> how many times have we talked about how the whole art of reporting is more and more disappearing from the business? it is an art. it's now anchor driven and entertainment driven. but they still call themselves news departments. but in fact, wallace represented what really was news gathering and going -- we didn't call it that -- you just called it news. he was classic in the sense that he had so many of the attributes of the professional veteran

reporter. he had a marvelous voice, which was extremely expressive, as you know from, hearing him on "60 minutes." he was tireless. he had really wooden legs as they used to say because he kept going around the world. he was committed. he was smart. and he was also interested in the story. he was, i think, innately curious. that's not something reporters -- that's not something all reporters have. i personally believe it's a gene. you will often hear people on television saying, i am curious, but, of course you are curious, or you shouldn't be in the business, if you are not. but cureiosity, genuine cureiosity, not about yourself or how people are reacting to you but about the story. for mike, i think the story was center stage, all the time. >> eric: you know, his

interview, they were intelligent, they were probing. they were nuanced. he could be tough and confrontational and aggressive and, liz, at the same time, you had the feeling that he means well. he didn't seem to have a mean bone in his body. there wasn't any cruelty. he came out with such magnificent work. >> well, he had very much what i call the british style. they could rip your face off and never raise their voice or anything else. know, not show hostility, but really ask the intelligent questions, questions that famous line from don't ask me, with the occasion -- i can't remember, when he said, he said to somebody under questioning and i mean under questioning -- come on now, just between you and me. of course, the camera's grinding away. and that became a very famous line. he lasted very long in the business, lasted much longer than most reporters do.

most reporters want to be anchors, especially these days, except you, too. >> eric: thank you, liz. >> but he wanted to be a reporter and he stuck to it. he had all the stuff for it. that's i didn't think he will be very much missed because it is a dying art. >> eric: and very quickly, do you fear that that -- would he represented could be diminishing in this business? >> i think it already has been. i think it's all about me and the effect i'm having on you. and most of the time, not about the story. >> eric: all right, liz. we have lost a great one. thank you so much. always good to see you. our thoughts and prayers go out to the wallace family, including chris wallace, our colleague here. >> jamie: very esteemed group of journalists. our hearts go out to them. we also wish you a happy easter, happy