keep going back. if it's not working for you, keep up-to-date on facebook and also through this web site throughout the day. rick: try again later. thanks for joining us, everybody. jenna: "america live" starts right now. next next fox news alert, the same weather system that may have spawned more than 130 tornadoes in america's heartland is heading east at this hour and creating new warnings on a day when temperatures are pushing 90 degrees all the way up to maine. welcome to "america live," everyone, i'm megyn kelly. take a look at the radar. millions of folks not used to tornadoes could potentially see trouble when the sering heat runs into cooler weather over the next few hours. this is the front that left scenes like this in woodward, oklahoma. a state emergency official saying a short while ago a sixth person has died there. look at the wreckage. look at that. many believe the warning sirens that didn't sound in woodward

may have been silenced when lightning hit the control tower. these pictures are stunning. the tornado hit at night, it was caught on tape. listen to the sounds and watch what you can see on this tape here. megyn: can you imagine? can you imagine that? and check out these folks in kansas, pausing on the highway to watch nature's fury close up. amazing images like this keep pouring in from the heartland, and our own mike tobin is live in wichita, kansas, right now. mike? >> reporter: megyn, let me start off by showing you one remarkable example of the power of this tornado. this piece of wood like a spear in between the front quarter

panel and the driver's side door of this grand prix, and there's more wood like that stuck in this car. this tin roof flown in here from somewhere, it's hard to tell really exactly where. this tornado is now estimated as an ef3, and if you look around, you see a lot of evidence that's consistent with that. significant damage to structures, but most of the structures still standing. you see all of these trees that were knocked down, you see the power lines that are down. there's some 11,000 people in this area without power right now. you also see evidence that this tornado skipped along. i can say that because you have so much damage on this street, you look through the backyard, not as much damage to the houses to the back, and the windows aren't even broken out across the street. something else we talk about, you generally don't have basements, houses are built with a slab foundation. this house, of course, ripped right down to the slap. you know if someone was in this house, there's no chance they would have survived, so,

therefore, this is one of those people who respected the warnings, got to a safer location before the tornadoes rolled in. megyn? megyn: mike tobin, thank you, sir. numbers our brain room crunched show the pace of these tornadoes well ahead of last year which totaled over 1600 twisters. only 2004 had more recorded tornadoes documented in u.s. modern history. the national weather service investigating reports of some 135 tornadoes on saturday alone. look at this. just can you imagine that thing coming near you? as of saturday 520 tornadoes reported so far this year. as terrible as last year was, only 94 twisters were reported by this time in 2011, and we have a long way to go. if you have pictures or video of these twisters, we would like to see them. send them to us u report at foxnews.com. that's the letter u report at foxnews.com. you may see them on the air and remember, be safe. well, calls now for a

congressional investigation today as new detail emerge about the sex scandal that is rocking the secret service. eleven agents now on administrative leave, they were part of an advance security team that arrived in colombia ahead of president obama's summit of the americas. the agents are suspected of bringing prostitutes to their hotel. five members of the u.s. military also under investigation for misconduct at that same hotel. our chief white house correspondent, ed henry, is at the white house with more. ed? >> reporter: megyn, good to see you. it's being called the worst scandal in secret service history, all over $47, apparently, the amount of money one secret service would not pay a prostitute, allegedly. that caused a big fight that brought in the colombian police. i'm told it reached diplomatic levels as ambassadors were brought in to deal with this. eventually, the secret service agents involved were tossed out of the country, sent back here to washington. a new unit was rushed in.

they were staying, these secret service agents, at a hotel where the media was staying as well, and all of this going on before the president even had arrived in colombia. so this second unit of secret service agents were rushed in to make sure the president would be secure when he eventually landed in colombia. the president at a news conference yesterday making clear he was not happy that this ended up overshadowing the entire summit. >> what happened here in colombia is being investigated by the director of the secret service. i expect that investigation to be thorough, and i expect it to be rigorous. if it turns out that some of the allegations that have been made in the press are confirmed, then, of course, i'll be angry. >> reporter: now, you mentioned the potential congressional investigation. republicans like darrell issa now saying they want to get to the bottom as to whether or not this was an isolated incident, but also try and figure out

whether secret service agents have now been compromised to the point that on future trips they may be blackmailed. take a listen. >> i'm not concerned about this president in colombia. that's behind us. i'm concerned about future presidents, cabinet officers, other protected individuals five, ten years from now. it's a question of whether or not the secret service has a plan to make sure they don't have anyone who's compromised working for them in the future. >> reporter: the second major embarrassment just a couple of years for the secret service director because of the fact you'll remember in 2009 you had the salahis, the reality show stars who were able to crash a state dinner here at the white house for the indian prime minister. that is why ronald connectionler, the author of a book on the secret service who broke this story late on friday is now saying the secret service director should step down. megyn: ed, i thought the salahis had an invitation. they couldn't find it, but they maintain they were invited. >> reporter: the details are a little murky.

megyn: sad we're still talking about them. [laughter] thank you, sir. secretary clinton finding some time to ditch the blackberry. here she is cutting loose at a local bar. this cover from the photo of "the new york post" shows secretary clinton enjoying a beer, she also could be seen dancing with members of her staff. a state department official claiming the secretary had, quote, a lot of fun, and i say good for her! why shouldn't you have a good time on these trips? god knows they go through enough pressure and stress as our leaders. what do you think? let me know on twitter, @megyn kelly. we are just minutes away now from the start of the first of four back-to-back congressional hearings into the gsa spending scandal. think they got someone's attention? the investigations sparked by a series of videos showing federal employees performing raps and other songs and making light of blowing all of your taxpayer money. well, today one of the high-level officials going before congress is former

executive jeff neely. he was praised in a song in one of the very first videos to surface by these dancing gsa employees. ♪ ain't no place better than gsa. ♪ not trying to get all touchy feely, but i've got to give props to my man, jeff neely. megyn: yeah. neely's lawyers say thanks for the props, but he'll be pleading the fifth during today's hearings so as not to incriminate himself. mike emanuel live outside of the hearing room, and it's not likely to be a very friendly panel today, mike. [laughter] >> reporter: not at all, megyn. the concern for jeff neely and his legal team, of course, is the risk of criminal prosecution. even if he is not talking, lawmakers involved with this panel say they have plenty of other questions about the others who have been testifying this afternoon about the overall culture at the gsa, the general services administration. committee chairman darrell issa earlier today expressed this

concern: >> it really is the tip of the iceberg. this and things like ribbon cuttings that went on for five days of hawaii vacations, misuse of gsa credit cards. we're seeing a pattern at the gsa and, remember, the gsa sets the standard for, if you will, getting a good value for the american people for all of government. >> reporter: now, the $823,000 las vegas conference was the initial event that drew so much attention. investigators say that conference included a fake awards program so participants could eat for free on the taxpayers. some leading democrats believe this week's four hearings here on capitol hill should also include gsa officials who served under president bush to see how far back this behavior goes. a key house republican on this matter offered this assessment based on what he's learned. >> from the whistleblowers that we've had come forward, they've told us that this is something that's happened over the last couple years, it continues to escalate.

certainly, the las vegas vacation and the hawaii and palm springs, some of these lavish trips that they've had have been pretty expansive, but we really don't know, and we're going the dig deep and find out how deep it goes, how much abuse has been out there and make sure that we make the changes so that it's transparent in the future. >> reporter: you've heard darrell issa say tip of the iceberg, you heard that congressman as well express the concern about how deep this may go. a lot of people are worried about whether this extends across the government, whether these spending patterns are more than just a gsa, a small agency's problems. megyn? megyn: mike emanuel, thank you. well, a big issue before congress this week. the feds passed a rule, the nlrb, that gives union organizers some very big, new powers. it will make it a lot easier to unionize a shop ask a lot easier -- and a lot easier to do it much faster. congress will vote this week to try and knock this down. lou dobbs explains what this

could mean for workers and employers across this country. plus, we asked an experienced florida attorney who used to prosecute cases, now defends them -- you know him well -- to go through the zimmerman arrest documents line by line to compare those documents to the facts that we know and to find out if the prosecution is in as much trouble as some top legal experts are now suggesting. he joins us here shortly. and david axlerod is supposed to be working for the president and his re-election hopes, right? but listen to what many are saying is a commercial for mitt romney courtesy of one of the president's most trusted campaign advisers. we'll have a fair and balanced debate on this sound bite coming up. >> the choice in this election is between an economy that produces a growing middle class and that gives people a chance to get ahead and their kids a chance to get ahead and an economy that continues down the road we're on. does aspirin even work on my headache? aspirin is just old school.

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megyn: well, four passengers suffering minor injuries after a plane bound from britain to florida made an emergency landing today at london's gatwick airport. the pilot turning the giant airbus a330 around about two hours into the flight after reports of a small fire onboard. that's not good. virgin airlines blaming the incident on a technical malfunction, virgin atlantic chief richard branton e tweet -- branson betweened an apology to the passengers. well, congress is expected to take up a critical vote this week on a new rule from the national labor relations board. this rule would give unions new powers to fast track union elections in a shop, and that has many companies very worried. this has been under the radar for some time, not so much this week. lou dobbs joins us to help sort this out, he is the host of "lou

dobbs tonight" and a syndicated radio host. lou, the nlrb is now leaning with the labor group now that president obama has taken office, and he's stacked it with pro-labor people as the republicans stack it with pro-business people when they have control of the white house. but this rule is very controversial because it would allow a shop to get unionized much, much quicker. what exactly does it do that is upsetting the businesses? >> the most difficult, controversial part of this regulation is the accelerated nature of the election, ambush elections. in fact, they could occur within 10 to 11 days of the union moving in and getting, get everyone lined up. megyn: why is that bad? >> because it gives the employer no time at all to respond. in many cases the employer won't even know what's happening. the union, think about this, the union could actually work on organizing a workplace for a year, year and a half, whatever, and then suddenly the employer has less than a week to respond?

withal of, as you're very familiar with, all of the legalities that are necessary to get in order and put in place before contesting an organization effort. megyn: because normally these unionization efforts are almost like political races where you have two sides trying to convince you vote yes, vote no, but both sides get to weigh in and make their case. this shortens the amount of time the company gets to make their case. >> it shortens the amount of time, and, you know, the corporations remitted primarily by the u.s. chamber of commerce say, wait a minute, what's the problem? 90 percent of these elections take place within 56 days, 90 percent of them. they call it a solution without a problem. but interestingly, when you look a little deeper into these numbers, we see the unions winning 90% of the elections that take place within two weeks of the notice. megyn: because it is so difficult for these big corporate machines to get their act together, to lobby appropriately against the unionization which is what they

don't want. >> exact lit. megyn: but let me ask you this because those in favor of this have come out and said the new rule that the nlrb has passed, it makes modest, sensible changes to bring balance to the election process. they say it'll reduce litigation, it'll insure a fair vote for workers because they think that the corporations have a leg up because they employ these workers, right? they have a leg up in these elections, and this will level the playing field. >> well, it does more than level the playing field. i mean, it absolutely ruptures the entire foundation for the election. by giving such a colossal advantage to one side. you're quite right -- megyn: you don't have to vote yes. you can vote no. >> you can, but without information which is the absolute necessity here for either side to provide to the employees, you're giving them only one side of the story. megyn: what is this about? because we heard statistics earlier the this year that uniitemmization is going down -- unionization is going down,

fewer and fewer people want it at their shops, so are unions getting worried that they're becoming dinosaurs? >> they know they are, and this president who is dependent upon the afl-cio, all of the major unijohns for political -- unions for political support. that's why he's selling out the nlrb on this, requiring the nlrb, requiring employees to put up notices of employee rights for unionization. never been done before. right now we have a split decision in two district courts, one in south carolina, one in washington d.c. it's obviously going to be headed up for appeal. megyn: what do you mean? the forcing employers to do more with respect to telling employees about their rights to unionize. >> never been done before. megyn: okay. now congress is under pressure from the chamber of commerce to do something about this, because the nlrb get toss pass the rule, they've done that, but now congress is saying, hold on, hold the phone, but you need both bodies of congress to approve this, right?

overruling the nlrb. the senate's controlled by the democrats, and ten we've got president obama -- and then we've got president obama. >> absolutely unimaginable. megyn: what are they wasting time for in congress? >> because that's what they do best. where the republicans have been on this issue is mind boggling. because here we are, and senator enzi is pushing this forward, this rule goes into effect the end of this month. megyn: so this is their last ditch effort. >> it's a last ditch effort and a pretty poor one. megyn: might they get this thing passed in the senate? because president obama, even though he wouldn't be inclined to sign it, we assume, would be under more pressure if a democratically-controlled senate did pass this thing, overruling the nlrb rule. >> sorry. this president is under no pressure except to win an election in november, and that means he will continue to sell out to labor in as hard and fast a manner as possible. it's inconceivable he would support such a reversal of this regulation that he's worked so hard to put in place.

megyn: they say there are some centrist democratic senators who are considering signing on. you only need 51 votes. >> you should get all the republicans x right now they're about five short. megyn: scott blown of massachusetts, one of them saying no, olympia snowe, sort of the usual s.s. lou, thank you. >> great to be with you. megyn: catch lou monday through friday at 7 p.m. eastern time. well, there is a big, new information from "the new york times" that shows lobbyists and donors who give a whole lot of money to president obama's re-election campaign are getting a whole lot of access to the white house for their causes. this is exactly the kind of thing that candidate obama promised to change again and again. we'll show you who is getting in and how much money is involved. plus, julian assange calls himself a whistleblower, but some feds call him a traitor who has put people's lives at risk, so how did this guy just land his own tv show? answers to that right after the

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megyn: well, the admitted anti-muslim fanatic who confessed to killing 77 people in norway cried during the first today of his trial today. not because of remorse for his victims, but anders breivik broke down after the court played a clip of the propaganda video he made. he pleaded not guilty claiming he killed all those unarmed people in self-defense. the massacre occurred last july, first a bomb in downtown oslo, then he admitted taking a boat

to a youth camp on a remote island and shooting and killing 69 people, most of them teenagers. well, julian assange is accused of putting lives at risk by publishing thousands of top secret documents from the u.s. state department, pentagon and others. he's been called a reckless traitor and a threat to our national security interests. so how does the founder of wikileaks just wind up with his own tv show? trace gallagher has the story there our west coast newsroom, trace? >> reporter: megyn, the show is called "the world tomorrow," and it begins airing tomorrow on the rt network which was formerly the russia today network. it will always be online at some point in time. assange has been under house arrest for the past 500 days in the english countryside, and for the past two months he's been taping these interviews with, as he calls them, revolutionaries, visionaries and intellectuals. so far, about a dozen shows have

been taped, the interviews have all been cut down to 26 minutes. that's the air time. here, now, is one of the promotional spots. listen. >> for 500 days now i've been detained without charge, but that hasn't stopped us. today we're on a quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow. >> reporter: here's the thing, the guest list has so far not been released. we do not know who the first interview will be with tomorrow. you may recall that julian assange has released the names of a number of informants in the wikileaks documents putting many people in danger, megyn. also some of the videos that he has released that we have done here on "america live" have been edited very heavily, and they are also in some cases not accurate. more charges against julian assange could be filed in the near future. megyn? megyn: wow. trace, thank you. >> reporter: okay.

megyn: new fallout today following this comment from president obama's chief campaign adviser, a remark that sounds a lot like an endorsement for mitt romney? listen. >> the choice in this election is between an economy that produces a growing middle class and that gives people a chance to get ahead and their kids a chance to get ahead and an economy that continues down the road we're on. megyn: the road we're on? different from the one that would help the middle class? what road is that? coming up, a closer look at mr. axlerod's choice words, and we'll have a fair and balanced debate on the economic policies of both candidates. plus, the heart-wrenching story of a loyal lab who tried to come to the rescue of his doggy pal. how support for the canine's inspiring brand of he heroism hs gone viral. and new controversial involving comedian bill maher, the number one contributor to president obama's re-election campaign to its superpac doubles

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heading up the selection process. governor romney says it is still too early to start talking specific names but does have a deadline in mind for making his decision. nonetheless, he did not share that date. jury selection continues in the trial of john edwards. the judge already dismissing 47 potential jurors, many because they admitted they could not be objective during the trial. edwards has pleaded not guilty to misusing campaign money to pay off his pregnant mistress to hide her. and summer-like heat forcing some changes at the boston marathon where our own jason roco is running right now. race organizers offering participants the chance to skip the race and instead run next year. more than 4,000 runners took the offer, but not jay. go, jay, run! senior campaign adviser to president obama are not supposed to script commercials for his

opponent, but that is what a lot of political watchers think happened when david axlerod appeared on fox news sunday yesterday. listen. >> the choice is between an economy that produces a growing middle class and that gives people a chance to get ahead and their kids a chance to get ahead and an economy that continues down the road we're on. megyn: hmm. wait. what? the man who helped put president obama at 1600 pennsylvania avenue seems to be saying america needs change from the bad patch of economic times folks are dealing with today. change from what we have today? one more time, in case you missed it. >> the choice in this election is between an economy that produces a growing middle class and that gives people a chance to get ahead and their kids a chance to get ahead and an economy that continues down the road we're on. megyn: well, mitt romney's campaign is already making a big deal out of this, but are they doing that fairly?

joining me now for a fair and balanced debate, brad blakeman, former deputy assistant to president george w. bush, and dick harpootlian, chairman of south carolina's democratic party. gentlemen, thank you both so much for being here. so the romney camp seized on this immediately and started tweeting out messages suggesting that david axlerod had just endorsed, um, mitt romney instead of president obama because you heard what he said, romney's digital director tweeted out, did david axlerod just endorse mitt romney this morning? it sounded like it. brad, clearly, he didn't mean to say what he actually said. but does the romney camp misstep in making too much of this? >> no. i think it's good political fodder to have a misstatement by your chief political adviser who happens to, in this instance, agree at least literally with what your candidate, mitt romney, has said many times and what he stands for. the fact of the matter is that this economy is not better off, people have no hope.

now they seek change away from president obama's taxing and spending, growing of the deficit, and they're going to look for an alternative. and the basic line is, megyn, are people better off today than they were four year ago? over 90% of americans think they're -- 70% of americans think they're not. regardless of party affiliation over 70% also believe our country's headed in the wrong direction. david axlerod misspoke, but it's fair game to exploit his statement. megyn: you know, dick, "the washington post" had an interesting piece yesterday, and they talked about how axlerod, geithner -- we'll talk about what he said in a minute -- >> and the president's other advisers are in a bit of a pickle because they can't go out there and tell the american people it's all roses and sunshine right now. they have to acknowledge the plight that we're in, and yet they can't be too doom and gloom because we don't like that either. >> well, i think the important thing to remember is this: today the united states senate is voting on the buffett rule.

mitt romney's against it, barack obama's for it. what it would do is make sure that people -- not businesses, but people -- that makeover a million dollars a year would pay 30%, the same thing the firefighter or waitress or ordinary person at salary pays. mitt romney's against it, barack obama's for it. it's called tax equity, fairness. and we're, and to make this, to get distracted by david axlerod's somewhat stumbling yesterday takes the eye off the ball. if i were mitt romney, i'd be grabbing on it, too, because if you look at what mitt romney's plans, if you look at what he proposed, back to jrnlg bush's -- george bush's policies -- >> george bush. [laughter] >> wait a minute, brad. if you go that direction, you go into the past. barack obama's advocating going to the future. it's going to take more than three or four years to clean up the mess, brad. megyn: all right. let's just make sure people understand that, the buffett

rule tries to equalize tax rates, the president says, based on what warren buffett and his secretary pay, but no one will tell us what exactly they pay, so we don't really know. brad, i want to ask you, however, does the president -- is he in a tough position? i mentioned tim geithner. he did not misspeak when he came out this weekend and said when he was asked whether economic growth had stalled during a disappointing march jobs report, geithner's answer was, we don't know yet. and then he described it as, quote, still a very tough economy out there. i mean, this is the difficult path that the president's advisers have to walk. >> well, the truth is the truth. the american people were fooled once in 2008, they will not be fooled again. they feel the pinch every day whether it's around the kitchen table, whether it's filling up their gas tank. they know the reality of what's out there, and the president cannot spin his way out of the promises he made which by his own account he's failed. remember, it was the president who said $800 billion stimulus,

unemployment would not reach above 8%. it's been above 8%, it's never been below since he's been president. gas prices, 100% increase. record foreclosures, bankruptcies. this president has spent us more into debt than all our previous presidents combined. the american people know what they're facing, and they're going to reject his economic policies because he hasn't delivered by his own promise. megyn: dick, david axlerod also said on fox news sunday that no one can argue it makes sense that people who are making a million dollars a year or more should pay less than the average middle class worker in this country, similar to what you just suggested. that's just not true. >> right. megyn: people who make more than a million dollars a year are not paying less in taxes than the middle class. to you concede that? -- do you concede that? >> i do not. you've got hedge fund managers making billions that pay 15 or less percent. megyn: percent. percent. >> mitt romney -- megyn: it is not accurate that they pay less in taxes. >> no, no, no. less in taxes, fine.

let me ask you this, the billionaire hedge fund manager may pay more in taxes than the average person, but he has a lot more to protect, he's got a lot more of a stake in this country. and let me put it to you this way, the average american works until april 1st to pay their taxes. the average billionaire hedge fund manager's done on january 28th. my life, the day of my life is worth as much more to me and as much to me as the hedge fund manager. you tithe at a church, everybody pays 10%. we're saying there ought to be a flat tax, it ought to be a minimum of 30% to try to equalize it, and everybody wants to say the rich guys -- megyn: i want to give you the last word, brad. i want to ask you whether the hedge fund managers who are easy to demonize because they tend to be hundreds of millionaires -- >> billionaires -- megyn: billionaires, are those accurate representations of the so-called millionaires in this country? >> it is not. i've got news for you, dick, rich is not $250,000 income in

this country anymore. the fact of the matter is as megyn correctly pointed out, 70% of americans pay almost all of the taxes for everybody else. millions of americans don't pay one cent in federal tax. it wasn't the rich who drove us in the ditch, and this robin hood theory of economics that you take money from one class and give it to the government doesn't work. we have to have government responsible, reduce spending, reduce the burden on the individual, and you'll see this economy take off. megyn: it's top 10% of earners pay 70% of the taxes. coming up, we ask an experienced florida attorney -- you know him well, you'll see him next -- to go through this thing line by line, compare it to the facts we know and find out if this prosecution is in as much trouble as some top, well-known legal experts have suggested. that's next. plus, a couple just left their new home -- new home -- claiming it's haunted. now they're going to court.

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megyn: well, new questions today about the basis for the second-degree murder charge against george zimmerman. the supporting police affidavits appearing to make assumptions about, quote, profiling and behavior that is very much still in question when it comes to how things unfolded between self-appointed neighborhood watchman george zimmerman and teenager trayvon martin who he killed one fateful night weeks ago. here, now, is the attorney we've been promising to you, a former prosecutor, a defense attorney and a friend of kelly's court and "america live," mark, we could think of no better person to go over this because you've

seen it from both sides of the aisle as both the guy trying to put people behind bars and stopping people from going behind bars. alan dershowitz, a major attorney, had issues with this second-degree charge and this affidavit behind it. do you? >> i rpt the heck out of him, but i'm not as outraged at all like he is. this is typical. probable cause affidavits that leave out the defense's perspective, that leave out statements that could help the public understand why the shooting took place? it happens all the time. all they need to do is put probable cause in the four corners of the arrest affidavit. that's what, arguably, they've done. yes, it's thin in certain areas, but that's all they typically do. megyn: what about, this is one of the pieces that has folks upset. now, this is the document that gets them the charges, right? this is the supporting affidavit that leads to the charges of second-degree. here's what the investigator writes in it. when the police dispatcher

realized zimmerman was pursuing martin, he instructed zimmerman not to do that and that the responding officer would meet him. zimmerman disregarded the police dispatcher and continued to follow martin who was trying to return to his home. well, listen to the 911 tape when the 911 operator told zimmerman not to follow trayvon, and you tell me whether it shows that zimmerman disregarded the police and continued to follow. listen. megyn: so, first he says he will not follow him, then he says trayvon ran, and then there's

another sound bite which i won't take up our time with, but there's another sound bite in which he says he lost him, and he doesn't want to give his address because he doesn't know where trayvon is. >> okay. megyn: so how do police get to the conclusion that he continued to follow martin? isn't that still very much in question? >> it is. however, law enforcement knows that this arrest affidavit will be used to vigorously cross-examine them. if somehow what they put in here doesn't add up, it would undermine their entire investigation. so what i have to believe is that law enforcement does have additional evidence that's not contained in this probable cause affidavit. in fact, they say we spoke with witnesses, we have affidavits, we looked at photographs, we looked at a lot of things. so they're under no obligation to put everything in the arrest affidavit. megyn: i agree with you, and i think the criticisms of them not putting all the evidence that's good for the defense in there are baseless because they don't do that, you're right. but to make such giant leaps, i

mean, doesn't this go to the heart of the case, mark? the whole case comes down to, you know, in large part what's happened after george zimmerman was told to not pursue trayvon anymore? i think you can make the case it's still manslaughter at least even if he abandoned the pursuit and they ran into each other because trayvon was scared because he'd been getting followed, but to just assume he continued to follow trayvon when the one, you know, the evidence on that tape suggests he did not, is that -- >> well, megyn, well, let me just say that it's not ethical if they don't have any evidence of it, but they probably do. i mean, he was at a certain point, and then he wound up at another point which suggests that he then continued to pursue him. and i don't know whether they have that evidence, but here's what this case comes down to. did george zimmerman turn his back on trayvon and walk to his car like zimmerman's brother alleges? if that's the case, then a strong argument could be made by zimmerman' lawyer that he then

retreated from the threat and that then trayvon becomes the aggressor, punching him in the nose, taking him to the ground, slamming his head to ground, and there's no reasonable means to escape the harm, and he uses his gun because he reasonably fears death or great bodily harm. i don't know if those are the facts, but if those are, then there's a strong argument to be made for immunity. megyn: i can take the other side on that, mark -- >> so can i, megyn. megyn: that's not true because if i'm following you around a community, you're not doing anything wrong, i think you are, i'm following you and following you and following you, and then i lose you and a block later we run into each other again, and you confront me like why are you following me, we have a struggle and, you know, you wind up dead, that's arguably my fault because i was making you scared and making you wonder about me. >> one key line in this probable cause affidavit is "this is not all the evidence, these aren't all the facts." these were in here, i think the exact line is "for purposes solely to establish probable

cause." megyn: which, as that points out, is not unusual. mark, thank you. >> thank you, megyn. megyn: in three minutes, the story about this amazing picture from the titanic shipwreck 100 years after the ship sank. raisins and cranberries with more fiber, less sugar, and a way better glycemic index. he's clearly enjoying one of the planet's most amazing superfruits. hey, keep it down mate, you'll wake the kids. plum amazins. new, from sunsweet. i'm here to unleash my inner cowboy. instead i g heartburn. [ horse neighs ] hold up partner. prilos isn't for fast relief. try alka-seltzer. it kills heartburn fast. yeehaw!

megyn: we are seeing newly-released, chilling pictures from the bottom of the ocean near the ship have been wreck of titanic. 100 years after it sank in the north atlantic. trace gallagher has much more from our west coast newsroom. >> reporter: man, you think about the books and the movies and songs about titanic, this is a hundred years, a tragedy that has captured the imagination of the world, and now, as you said, brand new pictures that are really very eerie because at you look at the boots on the bottom, there's a coat and there's boots, this is a very compelling -- at least some

evidence -- that these are the victims of the titanic. the boots didn't just fall together, say the experts, they were actually being worn by somebody, and the bodies have long since disintegrated. i mean, that's a compelling case. and this is the first time, megyn, that we have seen these. and as you scan around, there are coats and other shoes. these pictures were taken back in 2004 during an expedition by noaa. it was led, that expedition, by robert ballard. he's the first one discovering titanic back in 1985. he's got more pictures like that in his book. you see these pictures right here? that's a commemoration of the 100th year of titanic, and they took a cruise and actually retraced titanic's path, and once they got over where the titanic went down, they held, as you can see there, a memorial celebration. fifty of those passengers had direct links to the victims of titanic. listen. >> my life is going to be a

little different. i won't have as much of an obsession about him, i think. it's almost as though while i was here he was alive for me, and i can now, i can let him go. >> reporter: we should say as a footnote the pictures were very cool, very eerie, but the passengers were not very enthralled with the cruise. they say it didn't live up to its billing. we thought we should note that. megyn: well, they wanted it to be more exciting, like the original? >> reporter: they had things that were promised, and they say they did not get those promises, and one person was going to play music -- megyn: oh, jeez. that'll wind up in kelly's court. [laughter] trace, thanks. a new york times investigation claims that big money lob byists and donors that give cash te the president' re-election campaign getting a lot of access to the white house. the more you pay, the more welcome you are. up next, how this is already an issue on the campaign trail.

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megyn: a scathing report claims there is a money trail leading up to the white house steps and lobbyists on the other end. an extensive investigation by the "new york times" finds what it claims are connections between access to the white house and indeed the president and the amount of money one dough nail it to the president's reelection campaign. back in 2008 that was something candidate obama campaigned against. promising to rid washington of lobbyists and the power of special interests. remember this? >> we are going to have to change the culture in washington so lobbyists and special

interests aren't driving the process and your voices aren't being drowned out. the romney camp reacting to the "new york times" report with a statement. after promising to drive special interests out of washington, president obama has done the opposite. this is just another example of president obama's failed record which he will be desperate to hide from voters this november. joining me now chris stirewalt. of course the romney camp jumps all over this. but you tell me. is it so unusual for anybody in the white house to reward big donors with a trip to the white house, a night in the lincoln bedroom, a barbeque, what have you? >> absolutely not. it's something that incumbent presidents use the power of the white house, use the power of the presidency as a reward for

donors. it's not something that's unusual. what makes this situation unusual is as the romney campaign points out. it flies in the face of rhetoric and aspirational rhetoric the president used when he was running for office the first time. the other thing is the complexity of this system. you mention the lincoln bedroom. that infamous time during the clinton administration, during their reelection cycle, this is not so transparent. this does take a lot of digging to find out how it works. the cutout groups will lobbyists can get face time access with administration officials. they give money to these cutout groups. the groups get the administration officials in the room with these folks. it looks murky and it's not transparent. megyn: even the "times" is taking issue with the fact that it appears to be a violated

promise and it's being done in a way that it looks like they are pulling a fast run on the american people. the white house invites, let's say i'm a rememberyist and i want access to president obama, you are not. you are the one on the white house visitor log, you are the one with the appointment. but here is my good friend megyn kelly, listen while she tells you about the rights being trampled on for broadcast journalists. >> or lobbyists give money to the organizations or the white house stops by and sees the folks there so they are meeting at a neutral site. this is not unusual for the obama administration. we have had these things where they have tried to stay in technical compliance with the rules they set for themselves but have failed. the complaint from a lot of journalists is while the old system may have had the disadvantage that it was brazen

and blatant. instead what you get is it's harder to follow and track this stuff because they use these cutouts and because they use these middlemen. megyn: his critics argue that violates another promise, and that's transparency. >> no wonder mitt romney wants to run as the outsider. look how effective it was for barack obama no to decry as a freshman senator the way of doing business in washington and pay for play. people don't like a lack of transparency. they don't like when lobbyists and donors get extra access to the rule making and decision making process. that's to say nothing about solyndra where a cash advantage was given to democratic donors. megyn: they all do it but

president obama promised he wouldn't be like the rest. now there are questions about whether that was an empty or violated promise. >> * you may remember that big donor controversy about bill clinton. then there was scene uproar over special interests after vice president cheney and oil interests met with cabinet officials. we'll see how this stacks up against history. syria's five day old cease-fire appears to be unraveling. they are shelling the city of homs. this as u.n. observers arrive to monitor the so-called truce. this is raising doubts about whether bashar al-asaad is

committed to ending the bloodshed and massacre. we are getting fallout from the secret service sex scandal where members of the military stand accused of hook up with prostitutes during a trip to colombia. congressman pete king is the chairman of the house homeland security committee. thank you for being here. i know you have got concerns about that. it's salacious, talking about legal prostitution in colombia. but this is obviously an ethical issue. you say this is a security issue for this president or future presidents. why? >> i'm putting the moral issues aside. historically enemy forces have used women as prostitutes to get information out of the opposition, to penetrate into

the security zone. so for instance in this case you would have had -- if these had been women trained by the narco terrorist groups they could have just by being around secret service agents, picked things up. details on the president's trip. they could have drugged them, they could have taken laptops. they could have threatened them or blackmailed them. also you have the hotel managers. any time you bring a guest to your room, that guest has to leave an i.d. at the front guest. now you have agent so and so in 710 and a photo i.d. of a prostitute being up there with him. that agent could be blackmailed by the hotel or it could be given to organized crime. megyn: a lot of these guys are married with families and one presumes their wives at home would not be happy to find out about a dalliance with a

prostitute so it's potential blackmail against a secret service agent. but how do we protect against this? what they were doing was not illegal nor would an affair be illegal. if a secret service agent cheat on his wife. >> ethics and morality, it's a question of what is going to endanger that person and put hip at risk of being threatened, blackmailed or compromised. it it can be legal but could still compromise someone. there is nothing illegal about being with a woman who is not your spouse. but it will compromise that person if the womb group she is -- if the group she is with. megyn: it's not a regular job.

you actually have to act like a good person in all areas of your life because could you be compromised in this way. i think a lot of viewers will be surprised to learn that 11 -- 11 secret service agents are picking up with prostitutes when they are on a trip to protect the president? what does that say to you? a lot of men and women protect their lives to protecting our elected officials and don't live their lives like that. >> i have a great regard for the secret service. we deal with them on a regular basis. i believe they do an outstanding job. that's why these 11 have really tarnished the entire secret service. we have to find out everything that happened so we can find out why it was done, how it was done. when people in positions of authority found out about it, what action was taken. when were they recalled and what

is going to be done to insure this is not going to happen again? it's just something we cannot tolerate. there is too much at stake here. megyn: congressman, thank you, sir. there are a number of new tornado watches up this afternoon after this same weather system killed half a dozen people and destroyed hundreds of homes in a handful of states. some of these pictures are frightening. we'll go live to one of the spots that's been hardest hit. plus a new jersey family claiming that they have got their own version of the amiteville horror. they rent a new home only to move out a week into the rental and pay for a hotel room. claiming that the home is haunted. the landlord has a different claim.

we'll show you their evidence of the poler gieft in "kelly's court." controversial comedian bill maher one of the president's biggest supporters may have finally earned the anger of the white house. or did he. he put his 2 cent worth in the hillary rosen controversy. >> what she meant to say, i think, is ann romney has never gotten her [bleep] out of the house to work. no one is denying being a mother is a tough job. i remember i was a handful. okay. but there is a big difference between being a mother in that tough job and getting your [bleep] out the door at 7:00 a.m. while some fiber ads use super models, metamucil uses super hard working psyllium fiber,

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megyn: workers out in vegas, they are having hearings on it in congress. one of the key guys who helped organize it officially pleaded the fifth 15 minutes ago. the very first of four separate hearings set up to investigate how this agency blew more than $15,000 for just three people or so. >> on the advice of counsel i respectfully decline to answer based on my constitutional fifth amendment privilege. >> did you attend the event in los angeles. >> did you approve the funding for the 2010 western regional conference? >> mr. chairman, on the advice of my counsel i respectfully

refuse to answer based on my amendment constitutional privilege. >> what was the original budget for that conference. >> on the advice of my council i reflect any decline to answer based on my amendment constitutional privilege. megyn: he can plead the fifth amendment but all that information will become publicly available. it's all in the document and discoverable so we'll find out the answers to those questions. committee chair darrell issa asked to meet with the committee chair and his counsel in private. more on that. the white house pushing back in the so-called mommy wars. signaling perhaps a shift in tactics. it started a week ago with hillary rosen's comments that ann romney never worked a day in

her life, she is a stay-at-home mom. general petraeus has only been there 9 times, she has been there over 30 times. she finally apologize. the administration, however, was forced to come out and condemn the remarks. not necessarily the case for comedian bill maher. he just happens to be the number one contributor to the super pac supporting the president's reelection effort. remember the thing run by bill burton? he's out there raising money for the president. bill maher is the number one donor. here is what bill maher said friday on his hbo show that got the attention of one former member of the obama administration. >> what she meant to say, i think, is ann romney has never gotten her [bleep] out of the house to work.

no one is denying being a mother is a tough job. i remember i was a handful. there is a big difference between being a mother in that tough job and betting your [bleep] out the door at 7:00 a.m. when it's cold, having to deal with the boss, being in a workplace or even if you are unhappy you can't show it for 8 hours. that's a different kind of tough thing. megyn: joining me now the vice president of family pac federal. sandy, this is a subject of discussion on some of the weekend sunday shows and they talked about bill maher in particular. george stephanopoulos raising the question whether this is a problem for the president. this guy and his incendiary remarks and he's a major donor to president obama's reelection campaign. does the president need to disavow the guy? >> if he wants to be reelected i think he must do that.

but i think bill maher and hillary rosen are expressing the sentiment of the left. mothers need to understand the left is not their friend and they never have been. i think bill maher is expressing the view of the left that mothers are somehow lesser persons, any woman who does not work knows what it's like to go to a cocktail party and be looked down on because she doesn't have a so-called profession. this vitriol -- president obama had a working mother. there is nothing wrong with working moms. but most moms understand -- staying home with little children is work, work, work. and i think this is offensive to any woman in america who really treasures her ability to mother children. megyn: just the pitting of us

against each other is so unhelpful. we are not dividing against one another it's just hillary rosen trying to divide us and others who think like she thinks, and bill maher is one of them. president obama has a question to ask himself. this guy donated $1 million to the super pac. president obama keeps telling us civility matters. that guy maher referred to sarah palin as the most vial term you can call somebody. i won't get into examples of what he said. but the president seems to be when it comes to bill maher civility doesn't matter when it comes to a comedian. >> no, bill should not be allowed to get get a way with ts and be a political player. bill remind me of that kid in your class that used to be mouthy and rude to the teacher

and rude to the kids who has never been taken outside to the woodshed. i wonder if he were taken to the woodshed if bill wouldn't be a better person, someone we might actually like. the left has never really viewed women in the way i think most women view themselves. let me go back further than that. remember the deep roots of the left go back way back in our lifetime and before this to i think the old soient union where women were regarded as equals to men. they all wore uniforms like men. they had to put their children in daycare, and that was freedom. that was the root of all this. this notion there is no difference between the genders. i thought this was a simply political game. and i'm not into games. things are too serious. i think this speaks to a very important divide between the left and the right. megyn: melody barnes who is a

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megyn: try to imagine driving down the road at night and seeing that. we showed you some of that tornado caught on camera. it's one of 135 twisters ripping

through the midwest and the plains over the weekend. thousands of people are picking up the people in dozen of towns. but our chief meteorologist rick reichmuth is live in the city where that twister hit. >> reporter: imagine a tornado hitting at 12:158 in the morning. a lot of people hope to rely on a tornado warning system. but a storm went through and hit the siren system so the siren did not sound. they don't create sirens to let people inside know there is a tornado. but a storm hits in the middle of the night, you can see this one -- it forms 50 miles from mere. it was moving 0 miles an hour at its forward speed. cutting a path from the southeast through this town. take a look here now at what's left of this residential area. these are solid homes. these are brick homes and they

are ripped apart and people begin that process of cleaning out and sorting which becomes a pile of stuff you throw away and which becomes a pile of your thing that you can salvage. it looks like this tornado preliminary reports say an ef3 tornado, winds of 165 miles an hour, this just one of what right now is 130 reports of tornadoes for the day. the one good thing about this event is there had been a lot of notice -- the meteorological conditions were set up so we knew we would have a big outbreak and it did and out. -- it did pan out. this town woodward, oklahoma, the most deadly tornado ever in the state of oklahoma hit here in 1947 and killed 107 people,

now they are dealing with another one. 6 fatalities from this town. there are six others in critical condition in a hospital in amarillo. there is a rage report out from the "new york times" suggesting that political dough force -- ds are paying for white house access. a new jersey family is in a lawsuit with their landlord over what they say is a polder guise. can they get out of their lease? we'll take a look at the evidence firsthand in "kelly's court." are you receiving a payout from a legal settlement

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megyn: the report from the "new york times" on donors and lobbyists getting lots of face time. there is growing concern president obama is make it easier for those special interest groups to push their agendas. this is not exclusive to the obama administration. presidents george w. bush and president clinton had their own troubles with lobbyists, but did

barack obama promise more when he as you running for office? joining me now, andy card, former white house chief of staff for george w. bush and acting dean of the bush school at texas university. and bernard whitman who is a former pollster for president clinton. chris stirewalt says all president's do it. but did president obama promise us something -- did president obama promise us something better? >> he did an delivered in a number of ways. let me go through a few of them. he has done more to limit the influence of money in politics than any president before him. he refuses to accept contributions from registered lobbyists. he does not allow his appointees to lobby the administration

after they leave. he's the first president in history to release the names of any visitor who comes to the white house. and like george w. bush and john mccain he releases the names of his bundlers, something mitt romney has refused to do. megyn: the "new york times" of all publications issued a scathing report on how he doesn't accept contributions from registered lobbyists but he has lobbyists brought to the white house by other groups and those are the tbriewps that get access for the lobbyists who then make these major donations to the reelection campaign. is it any different than what your president did or any president before them. the lobbyists who help to

educate people in government making decisions, the vast majority of them are extremely ethical. follow the rules and do the right thing. president obama however put a standard out there that he is practicing hypocrisy around. he is not as transparent as what was just suggested. there are people who claim that they are actually supposed to pay to play. which is against the law and not right. so i don't think that the president is wrong to say he wants to have smart people around him. i think he is wrong to say if you come as a lobbyist you have got to pretend you are not one or you are not there to do with the constitution says is legally and rightfully a first amendment right. megyn: no one is saying you can't entertain lobbyists. but barack obama when he was a candidate said they were drowning out the voices and he

was soasd to be so anti-lobbyists. they talk about antoinette bush, she is a friend of the president, she is a cousin of his close aide valerie jarett. she takes lobbyists into the white house. she went to a form on intellectual property. what happened on that same day? her husband gave the president's reelection campaign $36,000. then another donation, the same amount a month later. then an $18,000 a plate fundraiser at their home. it stinks to the american people. >> i take issue with that. lots of people come to the white house for political reasons, social reasons. all sort of events. many of them have contributed to the president. i think many, many more have not

and have no likelihood to support, donate nor any way give you a port to the president. just the -- give support to the president. just the mere fact of attending a meeting -- megyn: let me challenge you on that. hold on. hold on. the "times" reports that among donors who gave $30,000 or less. 20% visited the white house. if you gave $100,000. 75% visited the white house. that's sphiewrp coincidence? >> no, it's no surprise. people who give money are more likely to get into the white house. but it doesn't suggest the person visiting is going to have their policies approved. there are a lot of people who visit the white house and get a firm no from the white house. megyn: no one is suggesting he gives a yes to everybody who comes. but it's a question of whether

it's business as usual at this white house contrary to the expectations. >> president obama raised the bar and has not been able to get over it. i don't think this is treated the right way by the media. i can tell you this, when i was in the white house we had strict ethics rules and oversight from the counsel's office to make sure no line was crossed and no one had special access because they were a campaign contributor. yes people were invited to social events and we looked to make sure we had good information when we were making tough decisions. but there was no pay for play if you made a contribution then you could come to a meeting. megyn: the accusations against this white house go beyond come on over for a dinner. barack obama's critics suggest even the loan to solyndra was based on ties the white house

has to big barack obama campaign donors. that's the reason we put so much taxpayer money on the line. >> i think that's untrue. it's been well investigated. there have been no indications anything improper was done. mitt romney just sent out an email over the weekend inviting those people who would give $50,000 to his campaign to a presidential inaugural retreat which i think is a little premature because he has to win the election first. you give me $50,000 you can come to my first inaugural retreat. that's an indication where the republican nominee would go in terms of access to the white house. megyn: if we have a president romney what changes? >> first all i think a president romney brings a practice of ethical behavior to the office.

when he was governor of massachusetts he did a great job of living up to the expectations of ethics and doing the right thing. an was in a tough state for a republican to govern an governed well. i also think as a businessman he's got a phenomenal reputation for doing the right thing. i watched him bring it olympics in salt lake city to the point where they could be held with great respect and they were. he cleaned up a mess he inherited an didn't blame his predecessor. >> he also said i think it would be wise to let anyone give whatever they can to a campaign. megyn: it's a pleasure seeing you both. fox news alert. we have more news from the gsa spending scandal. jeff neeley called to testify about how the agency blew $800,000 of your money on a conference for 300 people in

las vegas. having their tuxedos paid for by us. neely organized the meeting. he pled the fifth, and he promptly left the room. then our producer tried to catch up with him. here is some of the video. >> do you have anything to say, mr. neely? >> no, i do not. megyn: he made it clear he had nothing to say. you can pretty much bet any hearing that involves the fifth amendment will also involve the 50-yard congressional sprint and the elevator wrestling match as we all bore with itness to right there. what a day for mr. neely. not nearly as happy as the

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megyn: "kelly's court" is back in session as a couple from new jersey claim they were forced out of their home by super natural forces. now they are suing their landlord to get out of their lease. the couple who have young children say strange things started happening. lights switching on and off in rooms where nobody was. clothes flying use the of the office. they tried to explain each one out of the way. one night they were in bed watching tv when -- >> three taps on the tv and that's the same night i got tapped on my shoulder three times. >> the covers were pulled out of my hand. megyn: some experts are on their side. listen to this. >> the things they are experiencing, 110 per i believe what they are saying.

>> that was the ghost expert. that was enough for the couple to high-tail it to a motel a week into the rental. they want out of the lease. the landlord says you just don't want to pay. so how will it resolve? joining me now. joey jackson and kimberly guilfoyle. i love this case. i love it. i love that we have evidence we are going to play. kimberly. i want to start with you. they say they come home and find their clothes and towels ejected from the closet. doors would creek open and slam closed in unoccupied areas of the house. it's not unpress don't for a court to declare a house legally haunted. >> they have got two options. call merry made or

ghostbusters. it's costing them more money to be out the money for the rental and now they are staying in a hotel. they can say under the law this is a violation of breach of warranty off habitability. that the house is not habitable. they should be refunded their deposit because it amount to and con strective eviction. megyn: the landlord has a different story. he doesn't live next door. but his practice is right next door. and he says this is all about cash. >> you think so, megyn? i have to be careful about what i say because i don't want demons coming to visit me at night. but i'll say it this way. this is very implausible. there are creative ways in which to breach a lease and get out of your responsibilities. this is by far and away the most creative i have seen. you mention there is case law dealing with haunted houses. we are far and away from getting

to that point. is there a scientific way to explain a house is haunted? the point is that yes there may be some sounds or noises in the houses, but there are alternative explanations to that and that alternative explanation i doubt would be a ghost. we have an expert. they hired an expert we saw a little bit of. we have an expert with us. he's a medium and psychic. he's the author of growing up psychic. chip, thank you for being here. you read the facts on this case. do you believe it's possible this house is haunted? >> absolutely. not just the family is saying this. but they have had a team come in and others have validated the family's experience. megyn: this is one example they claim has been caught on tape where lights sudden by went on in other parts of the house

where nobody was. >> get out of my house. megyn: the light suddenly goes on. >> i have seen it happen too many times to think it could be acting. i'm saying i don't think it is. i have seen things happen like that so many times. megyn: there are a lot of doubters. but you are telling us it really happens. >> i have seen it with my own eyes and so have a lot of other people. >> i'm one of those doirts. have you ever testified to these theories in a court of law. >> why should i have to do that. >> have you? >> no. >> is there a consensus in the scientific pair normal community to explain this? >> is there proof of god?

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megyn: joey has his doubts and suggests the scientific community does as well. >> why doesn't he go through some of the things he has seen similar to what these people experienced. >> i have seen things fly around rooms. i have seen objects levitate. i have seen things appear and disappear from one place to another. heard voices recorded that weren't heard with the audible ear. megyn: the new jersey paranormal

investigators say this house is the site of an active or intelligent haunting one level above a residual haunting. >> a residual haunting is like an echo. it's energy that's left there and it plays like a looped tape. intelligent haunting is whatever is there to communicate interacts with the environment. megyn: doors creeing open. lights switches on and off. footsteps could be heard. the muffled din of something below their feet. roll the tape with the woman with the light. >> get out of my house. megyn: ballgame with a jury. >> it seems like somebody might

in the background and flashed on a light. this is far from credible too me. there may be some extra forces out there, extraterrestial that it don't want to upset. but i think this is a far stretch. what about the past history. there were three prior families there. did they just begin to get haunted in this particular family? >> there was a prior haunting that would help them. but. 1991, a new york case involving rescission of a purchase based on this. they had a duty to disclose there is a material defect. they are spending more than that by staying at a hotel. this happened to me at the four seasons in kona and i had to check out. megyn: this is from a viewer. i had a light in the house that

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