the high anxiety on the jersey shore where it's not just sex, drugs and rock and roll. vinnie is here to talk stress and stardom. hip hop mogul russell simmons is also in the studio tonight. he is the stop street wear producers and we haven't spoken since my infamous hood de comment. two of the most sought after attorneys in our country right

now we welcome benjamin crump who represents the heartbroken parents of trayvon martin. he is getting high praise for his moderating tones through out this wrenching controversy. mark omar raw attorney for george zimmerman a man accused of murdering trayvon. he is getting kudos of his own for turning his client's bail hearing into something potentially much more significant. >> i wanted to say i am sorry for the loss of your son. i did not know how old he was. i thought he was a little bit younger than i am. i did not know if he was armed or not. >> after you committed this crime and you spoke to the police did you ever make that statement to the police? that you were sorry for what you had done or their loss? >> no, sir. >> you never stated that, did you? >> i don't remember what i said. i do believe that i said that. >> you told that to the police? >> in one of the statements i said that i felt sorry for the family.

>> i am going to grant the motion that ponded him out of 150,000 dollars. >> they have to accept the court's decision. they pray that his freedom is only temporary because the pain that he has caused this family is going to be permanent. thinker -- they are never getting trayvon back. >> ben, welcome. do sabrina and tracy worry about the state's apparent -- i don't know, many people feel lack of evidence of murder. many plan -- manslaughter but murder a stretch. >> they have faith in the system. the prosecutor said to them publicly that she would have not charged zimmerman with second degree murder if they didn't have the evidence to get a conviction. they explained to us at the bond hearing they were not going to show their hand.

i think that's what happened at the bond hearing they did not want to show the defense everything they had and their strategy. >> you are saying they were not surprised what happened by the state's lack of a really firm presentation of evidence of a depraved indifference for instance of human life? >> sabrina and tracy martin are just regular people. he was probably going to get a bond. our office prepared them for that as well. ms. corey's office told them it was a really emotional thing for them to be in the courtroom with a killer of their child. tracy martin who is normally the strong one of the two, he wept through out that trial. there were tears running down his eyes and sabrina who he

normally comforts, the mother of trayvon she had to comfort him and keep telling him we just got to be strong. i just kept sitting there trying to image what he was feeling as he was crying watching the killer of his child. you know at first i thought it was anger, geraldo, but as i thought about it, he really felt powerless. he felt powerless on the seat, so just a few feet away from the man who killed his son and he just had to trust in the system. the constitution says that everybody gets a right to a bond hearing, and the judge listens to both sides for whatever reason he did and he happened to live with it and evidences trying to keep his composure and his faith in the system.

>> what about apologies? do you think it was heartfelt snl do you think it was contrived? >> the family thought it was insincere and they thought it was for him to get bond. he had so many opportunities to apologize when the real george zimmerman web site that he authored he controlled he said everything that is important and relevant to this matter i am going to put in here from me. nowhere in there does he say i am sorry for taking the life of trayvon martin. nowhere does he show any remo e remorse. it's only a day before the bond that we get word he wants to apologize. we say it's not the appropriate time to do so. yet he just disregarded that at the bond hearing and it's one of those things that the family were offended by it. we said it wasn't an appropriate time. >> mark omira, you welcome also here. thank you for being with us. where is your client tonight?

>> the county jail. >> he has not been able to raise the 15,000 in cash and 135 thousand in security to back his bond? >> correct. they are still working on that. there is also concerns about the gps monitoring program as well. >> what do you mean? what are the concerns about that? >> not concerns of getting into place. just got to meet with the officer, all of the equipment has to be tested out. nothing unusual just have to work through that process as well. >> do you still want him to be kept out of state or allowed to stay out of state pending the process? >> we have several options where he is going to be. at least one of those are out of state. i just want to make sure wherever we place him he is secure. we have talked about many times there's a lot of welled up emotions in this case we don't want them flowing over on to george until all of the facts are known. >> you heard ben crump just now suggest as he has for the last

72-hours the apology your client offered from the -- in the court to the parents was insincere and contrived. your comment? >> well, i had reached out to try to make it a confidential private communication between my client and the martin family. i did that two-days before the bond hearing. i did not get a returned call. i then sent a second message asking whether or not i should understand their silence to be rejection and that i needed to know soon because i knew the bond hearing was coming up. i didn't get a return call. so for mr. crump to suggest that it was said to be the wrong time, i only wish that he had the time to communicate that to me directly. had we in any station in his regard that it was my suggestion to begin with that it may well have worked out in a way that

wasn't public. it was george's decision and my concurrence it was not to be public it was to be private. >> respectfully, geraldo, mr. omira, your client if he wants to tell the family anything we want him to tell the family the truth not different versions of it we want the truth of why he said he had to kill their son. that is a troubling thing. we know he even in the apology told an untruth during that apology. he said he didn't know that -- how old their son was. he thought he was a couple years younger from him. we know from the 911 tape that night that he called to the police dispatcher he told the police dispatcher trayvon martin was in his teens. how is it now when he gets in court he is going to tell an untruth.

we think it was something for him to get bond. the family was very clear in their press conference and their comments that it was not the appropriate time. >> let's lose the photographs right now and stick on the attorneys. oo go ahead. >> i knew what he said in the 911 tape. he knew what he said in the 911 tape. to suggest that that is some pl blatant lie or inaccuracy with some intent is absurd. the reality was he said that he said that he was a few years younger than him. we know and i know had it been some perfectly well coached statement i could have easily have said say the words you said in the 911 tape. he was a teenager. i had him say what he was feeling and he said it i think appropriately. now, certainly it could have been done 50 days ago and may well have been had he had proper advice 50 days ago. you heard what he said in

response to cross examination he was told by whoever, maybe brooef why yous council not sel previous council not to do so. >> he didn't listen to the court. >> he listened to me. >> he didn't listen to his previous counsel before. they told him not to put up the web site and he did. he put that up under his own control, geraldo. he said everything important to this matter. nowhere in that web site did he say i am sorry for killing trayvon martin. it's a little disturbing and he has ulterior motives when he says at his bond hearing so he can get out of jail. >> can you gentlemen stay around after the commercial break? we have so much to talk about. i would hate to say good-bye. can you hang in there, again? >> that's fine. yes, sir. >> we will be right here after this short

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>> we didn't plan it this way. we had them booked separately. but mark omira and ben crump the attorney for the trayvon martin families have pier -- appear now together. are you concerned by some of the freaky support that george zimmerman is getting that crazy pastor terry jones who is burning the koran showing up in sanford, florida, others ago tateding on the far right to raise money in the defense aren't they going to be controlling some of the people who would help and tarnish your client in the process? >> i am very concerned on both sides. i am concerned there is per river ry or some extreme on my side and also concerned there is extremes those who may not want to listen to the facts as they come out on behalf of the martins. it is a horrible stress to go through but we need to -- the best thing i heard i appreciate

mr. crump saying it three times they have faith in the system. let us get through the process of getting to see what the discovery is and we will find out what did happen on that horrible night. >> in that regard, mark, in the relevant to discovery, you are getting high praise from many attorneys using a bail hearing as discovery in a sense. you got what dale gill bratt one of the investigators to say on the witness said that he did not know who drew the first punch and he also admitted he had no evidence to disprove george zimmerman's statements that he was walking back to the car when trayvon allegedly attacked him. did you plan on this bail hearing becoming in essence a discovery hearing. >> i can't suggest it was crafted in a way. i was frustrated by the lack of

facts it did have. also the affidavit is supposed to have all of the facts that support what the state wanted to. i was frustrated and intended to get into that one way or the other weather through the affidavit itself and through the witness. i want to get back to the first question i start the. we have adopted your clie answer trayvon's parents because of their gracious nature and s sincerity and their tragedy. as a lawyer i am not asking what you think i am asking what they think. are you worried when you consider murder 2 requires evidencing a depraved mind showing no regard for human life. that is quite a steep bar that they would have to prove that george zimmerman has evidence the depraved mind human regard

there is not a murder to craft here and that will result in severe disappointment in many parts of the country. >> i am not -- the evidence is there geraldo to convict george sglirm man of second degree murder. when you tloins the objective evidence that 911 tape when he says the things he is saying in that tape he had an intent to pursue trayvon mart din for whatever reason he was suspicious. we know about the comments and those types of things he said on the tape and the fact at the end of the tape where the police say where he is going to be at and when a jury hears that you look at where his body is found there is enough evidence to convict him of murdering trayvon martin. if the shoe was on the other foot this is a hard case to convict trayvon martin.

>> what about ben's point there. what if it had been reversed and trayvon was the shooter. the country is realistically speaking have a different dynamic now. better yet, put that aside, are you concerned in a this case is putting it on the line? >> i have concerned and from what i have seen this case is going to become a flash point for conversations that may need to occur, but i am not certain that george zimmerman is in t cross hairs because of that conversation. this was it seems and mr. crump has much better insight on the discovery because he has seen a lot more of it than i have. i don't have discovery. so he can talk maybe from a more informed perspective as to what the evidence is going to show. all i know is that it seems as though the country has really polarized even though we know all of the evidence has been out

because the state hasn't released any evidence to the b public. >> ben? >> with respect to mr. omira does saying that really has affected so many people who listen to this case is the fact that he had a nine-millimeter gun when he got out of that car and pursued trayvon martin. he it took so long for us to get an rays here. we felt the police and everybody was going to sweep trayvon martin's death under the rug. we are still concerned there are certain people out there can't get equal justice in america. that is all the family wants is equal justice. it is completely fair. >> thank you both for coming on. thank you so much. ♪ [ male announc ] you plant. you mow. you grow. you dream. meet the new definition of durability:

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>> he's created a financial internet empire. he's a philanthropist, civil rights activist, immobileized public outrage demanding the arrest of george sglirm man in th -- dsh zimmerman. he was mad at me. i hope he is not. >> you know what i was trying to say. >> of course i do. i know what you were trying to say. you say big kid in the house. certainly my parents would have said to me we live in an unequal society and you are at risk. i will say to my kid --ly tell a girl who got arrested or got raped she shouldn't have worn a dress. shouldn't have worn a shorter dress. you wouldn't say that. it was the same analogy. it was behind us now but i thought it was not the time --

>> i regard you in the highest regard. >> you have inspired me your activism has meant a lot to me. inspired me to do some of the work you i do. >> your creativity you are such a great example of people to succeed. sometimes you have to dress for success. not that this kid was doing anything wrong. i say that and i -- >> the picture of you in a hoodi, rupert murdock in a ho hooddy. >> i hang out with him all of the time. >> what my point is here, i think that this guy is over charged. i don't think there is anyway, shape or form that this is a murder 2. this is a manslaughter. >> i don't know. let's wait and see what the evidence is. i have always felt that way. let's get it to justice. i want to correct it i don't want to immobilize i want a

equal system to go to work. it makes perfect sense. the attorney for his family said it right. trayvon turned around and shot that man we would have had an arrest right away. we want equal justice. i want to see the process. i look forward to seeing the process. bha what's more important -- not more but equally important is positive effect what are we going to do about these laws. i think that is talking about the green festival the social justice issue is the gun laws and lobbies that promote them. in other words it is stand your ground law. 20 kids shot -- 20 people shot under this law stand your ground law. >> the people who orchestrate these laws and give to legislators and pay legislators

to do their bidding but it's not good for your people. if a guy can go outside in the case of wisconsin and execute a kid on his porch and say he is standing his ground and if this kind of thing is acceptable around this country, we have to go to work and change the laws. stand your ground law. we talked earlier about the dialogue created because of this case. we have to follow it through. we have to understand the ramifications of these laws and who do they benefit people who sell guns who do they disempower sell guns who do they disempower in the people in the

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live from america's news headquarters i'm claudia cowen. investigators finding what they call a scene of interest in their fresh look at a decades old missing child case. chemicals revealing traces of a suspicious stain on a new york city basement wall. authorities are hoping to finally solve the case of etan patz. the 6-year-old boy vanished in 1979 during a short walk to his school bus stop. he would have passed the basement stairwell on his way. iran says it has recovered data from a u.s. spy drone that went down last year. the agency reporting tehran reverse engineered the aircraft and begun to build a copy of it. they claim to have decoded past

polices and tests and maintenance the drone has undergone. the u.s. has not yet commented on tehran's claims. i'm claudia cowen. now, back to "geraldo at large." >> before we get to the saga of the secret service gone wild i want to finish up with russell simmons the hip hop mogul and all around great guy. what about this idea? >> have george zimmerman plead guilty to something like involuntary manslaughter with the approval and consent of the family? >> i don't think it's about the family. i don't want -- george zimmerman has promoted an important dialogue in this country -- this case has. whether or not he is guilty is something discovery and the case has to play out. i want to watch this. he may not be guilty at all.

>> the people have to digest the truth. that's what our country has to do anyway to heal. it can't be we will have an unequal system. if it is tried and the facts come out whatever it is it is fine by me. what is important we think about the laws and how our system is so corrupt because people buy our system that includes these laws. these are for gun lobbies. >> not going to happen russell. not in the real world. >> when 40 kids can get shot in one weekend in chicago we don't have a dialogue in it these kind of incidents bring up this important important dialogue. we have to as a country heal and

make better as a con treel. our people know not the black people or white people, we all know a law like this, and if you look at how unjusttis plays out the stand your ground law if we understand it fully we doo to go. we have to have the courage to confront it. >> courage, differences of opinion. it is one of those problems that will be around for a long time. russell simmons, no problems between us, i am glad. >> my brother had been investigating the sex scandal that wrecked a summit meeting and tarnished the squeaky clean image of the secret service. >> i am concerned we don't know who these women were. we don't know whether they were working for the drug cartel, whether they were working with radical forces within columbia. who knows who they were working

for. >> if it turns out some of the allegations made in the press ha are confirmed, then of course i will be angry. >> he should be the sex and security scandal flips the purposes of the trip to the conference instead of finding solutions to latin america's economic crisis the administration was forced to deal with a major embarrassment to the president his host nation and now the tattered reputation of the once proud secret service. seems like they were down here doing a function, a job, but has the complete intent to go out looking for girls. >> it seems evident to most observers that he was looking for sexual tourism. >> steve salisbury was in latin america for more than 20-years. >> they came down saying hey,

they are going to also have fun. let's set up things. >> expecting to celebrate the 500 year history dating back to scene it was exposed at having a dark under belly where they forced many into prostitution. >> johnny is a pimp. what could have happened between the secret service agent and the prostitute 800 bucks there's a dispute. h how did that happen? >> you spend the night with a girl and they don't have innocent where is my money. >> back now infamous confrontation in the hallways struck tabloid gold on the alleged prostitute talked to the new york times. leading to an investigation that cost 6 secret service agents

their job with at least a dozen more agents implicated along with 11 members of the military. >> they are looking for opportunity. >> why not. >> juliet is a prostitute that sometimes works with john kneel. >> you a-- johnny. >> you are concerned you don't want to identify yourself because you are doing this without your family knowing. >> no. >> never. it's embarrassing to you? >> yes, much. a lot. >> do a lot of gringos come down here they know it's the case that a lot of beautiful women like you have to sell themselves to make money? >> gringos are the best clients. they try to treat you well and they pay you well in my case. >> just in terms of what

happened that night, what do you know, what have you learned? >> one mention is the secret service agents and/or the military personnel made an appointment with them in a place called tucondela bar. or the other one could be behind us in the consult. that is also been reported as a possible venue where they met with these girls. these girls don't hang out in one place they are like freelancers, freelance prostitutes. they go from one bar to the other bar to the other bar. that's their livelihood. >> one of the many disco techs and clubs that the secret service members and u.s. military members went to that notorious night was in downtown. >> working girls have to follow strict guidelines when they enter a hotel with their client sclug provi -- including voprov identification.

>> your cell phone number and your address. >> it is all very well organized for your benefit as well as the customer? >> yes. exactly specially for the client. >> what do you think is going to happen as a result of all of this international exposure for the business prostitution here? >> it is the work of the women doing this. >> you have u.s. officials federal officials spending tax payer money if it comes to that screwing around. >> how do they get the budget deficit down? >> it is not just here in columbia but around the world. >> craig joins us in miami. who was harassing you? who came after you? >> we are making the rounds.

it may be where the service members secret service members and military members may have met these girls who are in front of the one bar talking about that. obviously to us we are working girls in that. >> they try to take the tape follow us to the hotel and became a speech at the hotel. we thought we might as well hit the road we have what we needed and bring the report to you from the bureau in miami geraldo. >> i am glad you are on friendly shores. >> covering up the band who discovered as the secret service then what happens if george zimmerman is acquitted? after this.

>> this secret service is charged with the life of the president and vice president of the united states and their families. from what we know they were not acting like secret service agents. they were acting like a bunch of college students away on spring weekend. >> in any organization things can go wrong. >> i must say mikes peer yens they were completely professional, so impressive, always felt they were willing to

do anything to protect the president and people around the president. >> the man who exposed the secret service exposing the president. he is the author of in in the presidency kret service behind the scenes with agents and the line of fire and the president they protect. do we over state the significance of this scandal? realistically was there national security at stake here. >> there was not an assassination. the standard should be nothing like this should ever happen. when the russian foreign intelligence service a symptom of much larger problems in the secret service which go back to management. management has been cutting

corners has been lax and i think these idiots in columbia thought well in our bosses violate procedures maybe we should, too. >> we saw this intrusion at the white house state dinner it was not just some error it was purposeful ignoring of the fact that they were not on the best list. why did they do that? one antidote dick cheney's daughter mary when she was under protection would demand her agents take her to restaurants. they r refused. management instead of backing the guys doing their job removes him. what message does that send to the uniform officers at the gate. it says if we turn away this glamorous couple it turns out they were supposed to be invited we could be in big trouble. the corner cutting includes letting people into events

without magnatometer screening. it's like letting them into the airport without screening. that alone is a scandal. the management is cutting corners. i think the former agent greg stokes testifies he will blow the whistle in this whole operation which has been covering up the failings in my book. >> do you think this is pre-meditat pre-meditated. doesn't it have to be pre-meditated to get this many people boys let's have a party in columbia. prostitution is legal. we can roundup all of these hookers. was it something like that? is it the first time it ever happened? >> i think it is the first time. this is not representative. the agents are very brave add dedicated. they would take a bullet for the president. they had parties when the president leaves so what?

we all go to parties. that's not the problem. the problem is going to prostitutes. i don't see there is some grand conspiracy. they are just idiots. the bigger problem is this corner cutting and dishonesty. for example when members of congress go to visit the secret service training center in laurel maryland they are given these spontaneous exercise -- supposedly spon tan yours exercises where there is great heroism and they get the bad guys. well, actually this is all rehearsed before hand secretly so the agents know exactly where the bad guys are going to be. there is dishonesty where the secret service -- >> 30 seconds. should director sullivan be fired? >> i thought he would be fired after the intrusion. he is good at cultivating people. people respect them because he

is a former agent. >> yes or no? >> yes or no? >> i think that you need a wholesale shake up of management with secret service. that includes the director. >> yes he should be fired? >> i think so, yes. >> ryan kessler the book in the secret service. >> two of the best brightest and doctor core mnell west lay in o acquittal of the george zimmerman murder trial could leave the disturbance that follows the acquittal of the white cops

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provocative. my next two guests collaborated on another important work that speaks to the social and economic divide in this country. it's the rich and the rest of us a poverty manifesto. welcome tavis smiley who hosts. and dr. cornell west princeton university. he has written 17 best sellers. gentlemen it is a delight to have you on board. what motivated you to write this? >> last summer dr. west and i got on a bus and took what we call a poverty tour went to 11 states 18 cities to see what the recession had done to people. po vert is not color coated americans of all races colors and greedz fell into poverty. the numbers tell a story. we realize the slight up tick in the economy like the one we are

experiencing. we are trying to hold on to the tig dignity. they are losing their job. >> that is one of the myths we try to explode. this idea that somehow the face of poverty is either black or brown. more and more the face of poverty is not only white but it was disappearing mental class. falling mental class. once making 100,000 a year now dealing with loss of jobs, now dealing with loss of healthcare. >> does that make the message more receptive? >> umi think so. let's go to the criminal case and the trayvon martin case. >> it will makes racial tension. >> i think so. i thought about this case. i think about it so much because

it shows how far we have not come from the oj case. the 20th anniversary of the rodney king verdict in the up risings in l.a. this troubles me. that's not a strong enough word that racism is still the most intractable issue in this country. as hard as it was to finally get the rays of george zimmerman before the bail, as hard as it was to get the arrest that's the easy part. the hard part is making these charges stick. as i understand second degree murder we have to prove malice. number two i think the media whipped this case up into a frenzy. the expectations are so high now if there is no conviction people are going to be dejected about this. i am glad the case is out there. i think he ought to be under the jail. if it were me i wouldn't have given him bail. >> we need to take the cues from trey von and martin's parents.

>> wonderful. >> tremendous level of dignity. >> tavis mentions the 20th anniversary of rodney king. you have a situation where in the george sglirm man trial i believe there will be a similar thing. it was obviously an assault by rodney king that engendered created it was a catalyst for the deeply upsetting several up rising. >> there is some semblance of justice. >> it was an anarcik expression. i am outraged at arbitrary policing and court decisions and arbitrary corporate power but i try to use that unrighteous intig nation in that way it

handles destruction rather than create chaos. >> will it present presidential cases? >> i hope not. anybody who has his or her mind made up or not made up isn't going to make that decision based on the trayvon martin case. >> he wi was trying to save liv but it was misinterpreted i was making judgment and blaming the victim. >> i know you and yi know your heart and your work. i was not mad at you. understand how people took that comment. with sensitivities are that on edge and that raw i can understand how people can take that comment and interpret it has they did. since i know you i didn't take offense to it. when people posted pictures of you on-line, that i thought was funny. >> you have to be careful making those comments because they will put you on with a hoodie on. >> the hoodie context is

everything. >> i hold these two gentlemen in highest regard. thank you both, gentlemen. >> thank you so much. >> on this rainy night in new york. that is it for us. check us out on facebook and twitter. thank you very much for being with us. catch me tomorrow morning on the radio. watch the rainfall. spring is here. april showers bring may now flo.

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