jenna: trevor, nice to have you in studio. thanks very much. stand right there because if he leaves he will not see. rick: looks like he can get on the football field today. jenna: i think he will. "america live" starts right now. megyn: fox news alert. new questions today whether president obama is campaigning on the taxpayer's dime as he travels to three different states in 48 hours to deliver the same message. welcome to "america live", everyone. i'm megyn kelly. president obama arriving in iowa moments ago set to deliver remarks at the university of iowa. the white house says it is all about his push to get congress to prevent student loan rates doubling this summer. it is the third stop in three days to address this same issue. yesterday he spoke at an event in the university of north carolina. president used a microphone then to unleash a string of partisan attacks on

republicans in congress. take a listen. >> if these folks in washington were serious about making college more affordable, they won't have voted for a budget that could cut financial aid for tens of millions of college students by average of more than a $1,000. >> absolutely. >> they certainly wouldn't let your student loan rates double overnight. so, when you ask them, why aren't you making this commitment? they say we have to bring down the deficit. of course this is a deficit they helped run up over the past decade. [applause] megyn: joining me now, chris stirewalt, our fox news digital politics editor and host of "power play" on foxnews.com. interesting point on the deficit at the end there, chris, trying to pin the deficit on republicans which is something he has taken a lot of heat for adding 5 trillion to it in the time he has been in office. >> yeah. it all dovetails perfectly with the message that he gives on what are technically considered campaign visits. and the only difference here,

really is who is paying for it. when the president uses those kinds of lines and that kind of rhetoric, and what they call a campaign visit, the obama campaign pays for it. when he is giving it in an official capacity, you pay for it. megyn: how do they draw that line? >> well, it's theirs to draw. they can determine, by the white house's way of thinking, what constitutes an official visit. on they say it is official because he is talking about legislation, that he is making a specific call to action to congress, but messages are basely the same. locations are certainly the same as he would be if he were paying for it himself because you don't go to three swing states in two days and talk to your base in the beginning of a it 8 8-week -- 28-week general election cycle for no reason. megyn: white house press secretary was asked how so many of these visits coincidentally seem to swing through florida and ohio even though they have

nothing to do with politics. here is how jay carney responded. >> ohio and florida, that is just a coincidence? >> very populous states, very important states and, i'm sure he will be back to those states as well as others. we were recently in oklahoma. i'm an eternal optimist but i'm prepared to suggest that it is unlikely that anyone would call that a battleground state. megyn: believable? >> well, i mean, again it, they can say whatever they want. they can, they can cause these trips to be taxpayer paid, essentially at their own discretion but there's a huge risk that's involved because and we've seen this with other presidents. certainly saw this with george w. bush, as presidents campaign on the taxpayer dime, it causes voters to get rankled and especially for the obama administration in the middle of defending on the general services administration scandal, in leon panetta's

$860,000 worth of trips home. these seemingly small but vexatious expenditures, these waste administration is taking a risk having taxpayers foot the bill for campaign style visits. megyn: president bush, in 2004 when running for re-election he took, we have a full screen of this, about 60, 58 fund-raising trips. president obama has taken 123 fund-raising trips. now the ap article at that time charged that bush's re-election travel, was quote, unprecedented. it is basically unprecedented types two this time around for approximately obama. do we, i mean, can the taxpayers do anything about this or is it just a political risk to the president? >> well, they can vote if they don't like it. but the truth is, that for the president knows that this is a risk and this is a significant risk especially given narrative about government waste going on

but he is willing to do it for some reason. i would suspect the reason he is holding all the fund raisers, he is having twice as many fund-raisers as his predecessor, the reason he is willing to endanger his reputation by having taxpayers pay for the trip they're very worried about money. this re-election campaign though it has tens of millions of dollars in the bank has a huge burn rate. tens of millions of dollars a month. they need a lot of money. they must actually be concerned about money if they're willing to take these risks. megyn: chris stirewalt. thank you, sir. >> you bet. megyn: wait a minute? >> yes. megyn: what are you doing at georgetown tomorrow and why wasn't i included? >> they certainly would have probably let you in. they wouldn't let me in. so the only way i'm getting on georgetown we'll have "power play" live for an hour on internet from georgetown with a live studio audience t will rock and roll. megyn: he have day we introduce you as chris stirewalt digital politics editor and host of "power play" on foxnews.com. chris's has an actual show

online, foxnews.com. what time to what time can they listen to this? >> actual is very strong word. 11 then 30 a.m. to 12: eastern time. we'll have a lot of interaction. megyn: bret baier but not me. >> if you want to come down, megyn, there is always room, i promise. megyn: just kidding you. good job. looking forward to it. thank you. ironically as this president make this is big effort on student loan interest rates the republicans in congress are pointing out this issue was not a top priority for then senator obama. despite the fact that the president, when he was a senator, served on the very committee that merged the house and senate versions of this bill. they declined, first of all to make these interest rates permanent at the time. that was a conscious decision then senator obama stood behind. and then when the legislation came up for final passage in 2007, the same bill that he is now pressing to extend, he wants congress to extend, senator

obama didn't even show up for the vote. instead he was campaigning for president in california and in oregon. megyn: got some news for you from the campaign trail this afternoon. new reports today that newt gingrich is officially going to call it quits. senior aides to the former house speaker telling fox news he will end his campaign for president by next tuesday. today speaker gingrich spoke in north carolina pledging to do everything he can to help governor romney defeat president obama in the fall. also from washington, the watchdog assigned to keep an eye on the billions we loaned to america's banks has a new and disturbing report out today. the number of missed payments from the banks to uncle sam, really to us, has now increased by 200% in just the last two years and it looks like this problem is getting worse. stuart varney, anchor of "varney & company" on the

fox business network. stu, this is tarp, this is the big deal pushed through by president bush and hank paulson after all the big banks came in and said the entire economy is going to fail if you don't bail us out. we need the taxpayer money, otherwise the entire country will go down in flames economically so we did it. we gave it to them. the vast majority of it has been paid back however, however, now we get this report that, 119 billion still in arrears. put it in perspective. >> okay. this is one of the reasons why the economy is weak. 351 small banks, community-style banks, they owe $15 billion of unpaid bailout, bank bailout money. now they don't have the money to repay it. so they're not making any loans. they're not profitable. so they're not repaying these loans and they're not making loans to businesses. that's one of the reasons why the economy is so weak. and actually the condition of these 351 banks is getting worse.

the number of late payments or nonpayments on these bailout loans has continually risen every quarter since 2009. so you face the dilemma, what are you going to do here? if you forgive these loans, try to put these banks into better shape and improve the economy there is outrage. you are forgiving bailout loans to banks? can't do that in an election year. if you make them pay, you put them out of business. so what do you do? you kick the can down the road. you let them owe the money for another couple years and hope things improve in the future. that's what's going to happen. megyn: why can't the banks get the money they need to repay the loans? >> they're not profitable. they're not making any money. they're under great pressure from new regulations. you know, dodd-frank, the new financial regulatory law, other laws and other regulations now being imposed on them, big banks can get around these regulations and live with them. smaller banks can't. there is a huge cost involved and it eats into their profitability so much so that they can not repay

the bailout loans in the first place and they can't make new loans to small businesses. megyn: only 119 billion. look how upset everybody got about the gsa spending which is almost a million. we're talking about 119 billion they're going to leave us on the hook for. >> most of that is owed by general motors, not a bank. most of that is owd by aig, and a lot of it is owd by ally financial, that is the former general motors acceptance, corporation, the credit arm of general motors. these are the three big institutions that still owe. megyn: too big to fail has turned into too poor to pay. >> exactly. megyn: thanks, stuart. we're getting word today a growing number of american catholics are planning to take part in nationwide protests over two weeks, challenging president obama over what critics have called his quote, war on religion. the administration has already seen catholic support for the president slip considerably since his election in 2008. in three minutes we'll see what this means for the

president's re-election campaign. plus, a very prominent defense lawyer slamming the second-degree murder charges against george zimmerman. alan dirk wits, harvard professor and criminal attorney involved in some of the most high-profile cases in history is here live. we'll ask him why he says there is quote, simply nothing to justify these charges. and, a disturbing story of classroom abuse caught on tape. after the father of a special needs student send his child to school wearing a wire and catches some educators making some very ugly remarks. >> what i heard on that audio was so disgusting, vial, and just an absolute disrespect and bullying of my son.

megyn: we're getting word today that the united states may soon see a type of public outcry not witnessed for decades. powerful images of priests and nuns rallying in the streets. the u.s. conference of catholic bishops has called for protests two weeks of protests, against what some critics of the obama administration have labeled a war on religion. it may be emerging as a big problem for the president's re-election. bill donahue is president of the catholic league. bill, you say these bishops are furious over what they view as encroachment on religious liberty and they're not rolling over on this because it has sort of shifted in a political narrative to the other side of the coin being a war on women? >> i never seen anything like it. this is the greatest mobilization of the catholic community since the civil rights movement. it is led by cardinal timothy dolan of new york. they mean business.

that's why they came out with this statement here recently, some people, including a lot of catholics. they will walk away from it. they made their splash and all there is to it. they know this the biggest threat they have seen from the federal government, not state and local government. june 21st, several weeks, certain seminars protests whatever we might do. i want to say this, megyn, it will be right around the time supreme court rules on obamacare. if they knock out the individual mandate and the rest stand, we're still stuck with this problem because they didn't, hhs didn't introduce this stricture until after the supremes accepted the case. if all of obamacare goes down, then we don't have anything to worry about. i think in terms what happens with the campaign will be largely with the intersection of this decision by the supreme court. megyn: are we, so unusual to see the conference of catholic bishops call for two weeks of public protest in june and july. we'll see nuns, we're going to see priests, we'll see regular ol' catholics out

there doing what? >> depends on the supreme court decision. if we don't get what we want, let's say they knock out the individual mandate and the rest is there, i know it is a bit of a shell, that is still on the table then is the threat to religious liberty. you know what is driving this? read what cardinal dolan said. he is upset because of the definition of religion by the federal government which says that a --. megyn: tell the viewers because we didn't really set up what you're so upset about. >> right. the federal government says in order to qualify as a religion to be exempt from, their strictures saying you have to provide for abortion-inducing drugs and the like, you have to hire and service people of your own faith. well that is very uncatholic in the word, catholic meaning universal. megyn: you're jewish and you can't come into the catholic hospital. >> right. they got that idea in 2000 when cllu -- aclu wrote a law in california. i interred viewed founder of aclu. he founded it in 1920.

i interred viewed in june 1978 in hutson street in downtown new york. i put the question to him. first 10 objectives of the aclu cover every aspect of the first amendment except one, religious liberty. this is not a big issue for us, bill i was an atheist all my life so we don't really care. the aclu working with the obama administration to craft an understanding of religion which is boxed so tight jesus wouldn't qualify as being a religion. megyn: bill, what will happen as a practical matter? some are now speculating we'll see priests and nuns on the streets of this country engaging in civil disobedience and that we're going to potentially see handcuffs on nuns being taken away? is that likely? >> that will only happen if the obama administration succeeds in the supreme court and they maintain that it is constitutional, or, as i say, they knock out the individual mandate and rest of it stands and they try these draconian strictures. if that happens you will see civil disobedience in the

street. megyn: have you seen it before, pro-life rallies and see priests and nuns go out. you don't usually see them taking to the streets in droves if this stand? >> will be more than nuns and streets. hundreds of thousands catholic students across the country. pro-life march which gets 100,000 a year will be nothing compared to this. there are a lot of ifs. not will automatically happen but could happen. megyn: how does this play politically? we looked a numbers for president obama. >> right. megyn: 54% of catholics voted for president obama in 2008. now his job approval from catholic registered voters, 44%. suggests his support among catholics has eroded. is that all because of the provisions in obama care or people lost jobs and so on? >> has a lot to do with what happened in provisions of obamacare. let me give you a one specific example. rhode island, long island catholic league. cath little -- catholic

league put out the statement by the bishops so we get word to the community there is massive communication and education drive on part of the catholic diocese to educate their people what is at stake. it is not about the contraception and the like. more catholics learn about it and more disturbed about what is going on. face it, practicing catholics in particular are most exercised. i have never seen greater leadership in my life coming from the bishops. megyn: bill, thank you. >> thank you so much. megyn: when a could not figure out what was going on with his autistic son in school he took matter into his own hands and put an audio recorder on his boy. three minutes, shocking remarks he caught from people working in that classroom. you will not believe it. plus the video is called, if i wanted america to fail. a conservative group's take on impact of growing environmental and other regulations. it was getting hundreds of thousands of hits online a day until twitter

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megyn: well a teenager in china learning a hard lesson about walking and talking on a cell phone. this is surveillance video from northern china. watch. here you can see the girl walking down the street. apparently she did not notice those safety cones. suddenly she plunges right through the pavement. falling some 20 feet into a sinkhole. a cab driver saw the whole thing and jumped in to save

her. he got stuck too. firefighters ended up pulling them both out luckily. no serious injuries were reported. now to the story of one father's sneak-peek into a classroom and why it is getting national attention. stuart chaffetz could not figure out why he was getting reports from school that his autistic son was violent. he said he knew his son was actually gentle and kind. so chaffetz put a hidden audio recorder on his son and what you're about to hear may be upsetting to you. trace gallagher has more. trace? >> reporter: megyn, this is a class in cherry hill, new jersey where all of the kids in the class have some form of autism. all the kids in the class have difficulty communicating so the dad new his 10-year-old son couldn't tell him what was going on inside the classroom. that's when he wired him with an audiotape. six 1/2 hours of tape, about the teachers talking about everything from their husbands to sex, to being

hung over in class. listen. >> have you heard this before? >> oh, my god. >> reporter:ed dad played that because the belief no way teachers would say that in class if they knew the kid would repeat it. he says his son's autism causes him sometimes to mumble to himself the because of that, the teachers aide mocked him. listen. >> oh, boy. [scream] >> reporter: akian's parents are divorced.

he lives most of the time with his father but every other weekend he lives which is his mom. that causes him anxiety when he makes the transition. this was tape-recorded on a friday. he was going to his mom's. afterward he asked the teacher if he could see his dad after his mom. her response was rather harsh. listen. >> to call my son a bleep. you made him cry. you heard him crying innocently. and he is [bleep] for that? what kind of sick, twisted person does that? to a 10-year-old. >> reporter: the father posted this 17-minute video on youtube. it has gotten more than

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megyn: new developments today with a controversial video, challenging agenda of some environmental groups and some policies of the obama administration. it is called, if i wanted america to fail. and it draws attention to the human costs of growing regulations among other things. a conservative group launched to coincide with earth day and got 120,000 hits in less than 36 hours. for reasons still unknown, twitter took the video down. now after a huge outcry it is back and here is a small, brief, clip. >> if i wanted america to fail, i would start with energy. i would cut off america's supply of cheap abundant energy. i couldn't take it by force. so i would make americans felt guilty about using energy that heats their home, fuels their cars, runs their businesses and powers their economy. i would create countless knew regulations and that way small businesses with

big ideas wouldn't stand a chance. now i would never have to worry about another thomas edison, henry ford or, steve jobs. if i wanted america to fail, i would send federal agents to raid guitar factories for using wrong kind of wood. force homeowners to tear down homes built on their own land. if i wanted america to fail, i suppose i wouldn't change a ink thing. megyn: joining me now, andrea tanteros, co-host of the "the five" on fnc and julie row beginssy. every time, you're almost there. >> roginsky. megyn: i'm sorry. the she served as communications direct are for former new jersey senator, jon corzine. fox news contributor. this was produced by free market america which is a project for americans with limited government. you get the general theme of their principles. do we know why twitter took it down, andrea? >> we don't know why. megyn: reposted it after people upset. >> they claim so many people

went there it was spam issue. technical issue. of course conspiracy theorists and a lot of republican conservative blogs, they took it down because it is hard-hitting video. megyn: don't they post hard-hitting videos all the time. >> they do. megyn: not about twitter. contents of this video getting all sorts of attention. the guy, the scary guy and scary music. >> new age piano. megyn: seems to be suggesting that, that our current administration may want america to fail, not just because the environmental regulations but really takes a shot at the obama administration across the board. >> yeah, he does. new age piano, very, very scary. i love this video. i happen to agree with everything in this video. i think it i will be a great fund-raising tool. i think it will rally the base. here is my issue with the video. if this video will help motivate people to get out to vote, people on the fence i'm not sure this is the way to do it. convincings voters somehow the president wants to take us from one world order to a different world order, i

think is a bit of a --. megyn: to bring america to its knees. >> to bring america to its niece. wish america would fail. i think that there is lot of people who think barack obama is wrong. a lot of things that he does like, for example, obamacare, he agrees with. he think it is right thing to do. conservatives think it is the wrong thing to do. making conspiratorial like liberals --. megyn: is it that what he is doing in this video? it seems you could argue that the guys behind it literally think president obama wants america to fail. or you could take it as, they're basically saying all these policies are so bad they will lead america to fail. >> you know, i suspect that is what they're implying but what they're saying andrea is 100% right. if you want america to fail this is what you will do, implications is barack obama. megyn: overregulate business. create impediments for job creation. >> when democrats would say that about bush, would drive me insame. i will say the same thing

about republicans. andrea is 100% right. you may disagree with policies and policies are incorrect but no president wants america to fail. this fifth column, manchurian candidate --. megyn: that is dark place. some people believe that. >> andrea is right. independents who romney and obama has to court. they don't believe the president wants america to fail. they may not agree with him but they don't believe he is out to destroy the country. megyn: could you watch video and glean that message or could glean, if you want to create a circumstance under which america will not thrive, you would, enact a lot of regulations on business. you would raise taxes. you would create carbon credits, instead of encouraging anyway. all the things that they talk about in the video. one of the things he talks about is, well, i'll let the viewers hear it themselves. they seem to tap into the class warfare thing. listen here. >> if i wanted america to

fail i would make it easier to stop commerce and to start it. easier to kill jobs than create them. more fashionable to prevent success than to seek it. megyn: more fashionable to resent success and seek it. that is theme we've heard from not exactly in those words but even from mitt romney. >> again all true. but, the president, and liberals believe, megyn, wealth should be redistributed. they think it is the right thing. they think by doing this it will help us. any student of history will tell you it doesn't work. but again the overarching narrative of this video, that somehow this is being done to take us down and destroy the country, or just --. megyn: we're going around the same tree. but just that it is being done and it is having that effect. that seems to be what they're trying to argue. >> yes, and i do agree with that. i agree it is not having right -- >> andrea would have all-day long discussion as to why the clinton tax plan came out, economy skyrocketed

when. bush tax cuts came in we had complete dissemination of economy. i disagree with you history is on side what you just said that is neither here nor there. what the issue is essentially this whole class warfare thing, again it doesn't, you look at pollings. just doesn't play well with people either romney or the other republicans want to appeal to. these people truly believe that oil companies, which is --. megyn: they like class warfare. >> not class warfare. they believe oil companies which are making record profits are getting horrible tax breaks. megyn: and millionaires should pay more. >> millionaires pay more. more this message goes out, helpful to the republican base but that primary is over. >> add as little drama. >> add as little drama. >> there is hypocrisy in video demonizing the rich but hobnobbing with the rich to take their campaign donations. megyn: they all do that. got to go. thank you very much. he has become the leading legal critic challenging second-degree murder charges

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megyn: explosive claims from the man said to be the best known criminal lawyer in the world. alan deshg wits, railing against the prosecution -- the second-degree murder charge against george zimmerman the neighborhood watch volunteer now charged

in connection with the death of trayvon martin. mr. dershowitz is harvard law professor argued a dozen cases before the u.s. supreme court. got successfully the conviction of klaus von beuloh overturned among many famous cases. is here on the set. professor, honor to meet with you in person. >> my pleasure. megyn: you say if anybody should be criminally charged in this case it is the prosecutors. why? >> well, first of all anybody involved in a shooting should be investigated and perhaps there should be charges against zimmerman. so let's put that aside for a second but this affidavit submitted by the prosecutor in the florida case is a crime. it's a crime. if she in fact knew about abc news's pictures of the bloody head of zimmerman and, failed to include that in the affidavit, this affidavit is not the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. megyn: why do they have to put it in in there? what is the picture. why do they have to put in there evidence bad for their side? >> because they're

prosecutors. prosecutors when they submit affidavits have to tell the whole truth not just partial truth. a half lie is a lie. by suggesting that as they do in this, zimmerman confronted martin and a struggle ensued, the passive voice. without describing the fact that there is evidence that during the struggle, martin may have been on top, zimmerman on bottom, and the bloody head may have been caused, according to zimmerman, by the banging of his head against the ground. you can't leave that kind of evidence out when you're seeking to indict or inform against somebody, half-truths. >> educate the viewers. most of our viewers assume you've got the prosecution. they have one agenda. you have the defense attorneys of the they have a difficult agenda. that is not necessarily true. the prosecution has a different goal. >> the prosecution's job is to present the truth and whole truth. it has obligations under the law not to suppress evidence not to hide exculpatory

evidence. megyn: to seek justice. >> to seek justice. not seek justice for trayvon or zimmerman but seek justice for entire society. that is their job. to make sure there is a just result. i heard some, well the prosecution has more evidence but they're holding it back. this isn't poker where you hold two card and you flip them later. this is the justice system. and the justice system has to be resolved by, our usual procedures. better 10 guilty go free and one innocent be wrongly confined. proof beyond a reasonable doubt and all the innocence must be set out by the prosecution. united states supreme court said that repeatedly. megyn: they will. do it at trial. >> too late. too late. you don't up diet based on false information. now, one of the problems is because they have indicted for second-degree murder and there is nothing in this affidavit that suggests second-degree murder, the elements of second-degree murder are not here, the expectations have been reduced. there was article today in one of "the daily beast",

saying there will be riots on the street if there is acquittal. if there are riots it will be the prosecutor's fault, she overcharred, raised expectations. no reasonable jury is going to convict based on the evidence i know of second-degree murder. so this prosecutor, not only may have suborned perjury, she may be responsible if there are going to be riots here for raising expectations to unreasonable levels. megyn: do you think, she went down there to florida, or she is in florida, but went out and announced the second degree hurt charges said we are here to seek justice for trayvon, to seek justice for trayvon. is it justice for trayvon or is it just justice? zimmerman is claiming it was self-defense. that he was the victim and -- this is not first time this speech was made. it was also made in the anthony case where the prosecutor said we need justice for caylee. the jury said no, no. you need justice for the defendant. there is only person on

trial, and that is the defendant, george zimmerman. only one person who has rights. megyn: you knew caylee anthony was a genuine victim. >> right. megyn: there was no question. trayvon martin appears to be victim we don't know. zimmerman's whole defense says he victim. >> trayvon martin was a victim of the not committing any crime. cast carrying skittles. shouldn't have been followed and confronted. but if in fact zimmerman was telling the truth he was blindsided. martin turned from a victim into an assailant you may have two victims, two provokers and a very complicated legal issue that always must be resolved in favor of the defendant. megyn: it is complicated. >> when in doubt you always resolve the doubt in favor of the defendant. megyn: i want to ask you, this is one of the questions i've been asking all along. can you get to second degree if you can prove zimmerman stalked trayvon? zimmerman had no right to do that? zimmerman be a described criminal motives. >> absolutely not.

megyn: zimmerman abandoned pursuit but confronted trayvon and only reason he was confronted forced to engage in self-defense because he was initial aggressor stalking? >> no. the statute is very clear, if you're the provocateur, assume under your hypothetical, that zimmerman was provocateur, you lose stand your ground but don't lose self-defense. megyn: he could argue to the jury but not get him out of the criminal trial? >> it might get him out of the criminal tile. the stand your ground gives the judge under the general statute to look at the law. every reasonable judge should throw out to second-degree murder. now we're down to manslaughter. if you have to ask your self is there enough for manslaughter? not in this affidavit. there may be more evidence that the prosecution now has but my great fear that the prosecutor has raised the stakes. has raised expectations and --. megyn: why? >> she may be responsible for whatever the results are if there are going to be acquittal which i suspect there will be in this case. megyn: why would she do

that? >> she is politically elected person appointed to get zimmerman. she was appointed to prevent riots. she wasn't appointed to do justice. she as appointed to calm the situation down. that is problem where you elect prosecutors. we're only country in the western world that elect prosecutors. prosecutors run for re-election based on how many people they put in jail. that doesn't produce justice. megyn: we solved that problem. not saying it applies here. we saw that in the duke fake rape case. he was running for re-election. >> went to jail for a night and got disparred. if i were this prosecutor i would be hiring a lawyer at this point. megyn: wow! alan dershowitz, pleasure to meet. >> you thank you. megyn: taking your thoughts. follow me on twitter@megyn kelly. new questions about president obama's ties to beltway lobbyists as rnc use as scathing new ad using president owes own words to highlight influence industry. karl rove is here to weigh in on this and what it could mean for the president's

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megyn: the family farm, the historic cornerstone of america from a young age, children learn chores and a way of life handed down from generation to generation. but now, new labor rules could end all of that. and a lot of rural families are not happy. trace gallagher has an update what we're talking about. trace? >> reporter: the labor department says these rules are needed because too many kids are getting hurt on farms and too many child-labor laws are being exploited. the now the original proposal exempted kids whose parents own the farm but now they're starting to tinker with that even a little bit. either way can't work for

urn kel, grandmother or a neighbor. if you are, under the age of 18 you would not be allowed to operate any kind of heavy equipment, tractors and so forth, working grain elevators or silos. working stock yard. you can't stack hey, higher than six feet. some members of congress who represent rural areas say the proposals are extreme. montana congressman, denny reberg, and i'm quoting here, this is what happens when president obama's big city bureaucrats craft policies for rural america. at fifth generation rancher and parent who raised three kids on a ranch it is a slap in the face that president obama and his allies in congress think government cares more than we do about protecting and providing for our kids. now, kids would still be allowed by the way to raise animals and show them during 4-h you do at county fair. but here's the deal the government says 4-h can no longer issue safety certificate that they have all done for, you know, years and years and years.

now you have to take a government class, which is 90 hours to get that safety certificate. many say, that might be the end of 4-h and ffa. critics are very, very disappointed in these new labor laws, megyn. megyn: wow! really changes, "little house on the prairie". that is all i'm going to say. i'm just saying. i saw the episodes. hay went up more than six feet. people doing that today. suddenly they're about to be outlaws. trace, thank you? >> sure. >> what do you think about it? a lot of our viewers have farms and they use their children to help them with the chores and with the daily responsibilities. you want the department of labor getting involved in it. let me know. kelly@foxnews.com. damaging new testimony in day three of the trial of john edwards. a former close aide spilling beans on wealthy donors, secret payments and alleged cover-up and edwardses so-called bat phone that is in "kelly's court". patty mahaney a sanford city

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megyn: arizona's law sb1070, a law passed to attempt to tamp down on illegal immigration. the sentiment across the board, arizona has a legitimate problem on its hands and this law has a good chance of being upheld. welcome, i'm megyn kelly. we are getting new details about what happened in the high court today. the clash between the obama administration and the state of arizona in the hands of only 8 supreme court justices.

did arizona overstep its bounds when requiring police to check the immigration status of anyone they arrest? and giving them the power to stop people they have a reasonable suspicion may be in this country illegally. shannon bream is live outside the supreme court. >> reporter: those who support sb1070 say they are optimistic and encouraged after the arguments today. that includes the woman who finds herself in the middle of the firestorm over this law, arizona governor jan brewer. she thinks the administration's decision to sue arizona over this law was politically motivated. >> i believe this is an election law and it was staged at the time. they knew this was coming up and they are playing to that tino community and they are trying to use that scare card if you will to generate support for

elections. >> reporter: a number of the justices have different versions of this essential question. toss arizona as a sovereign state have the right to exclude people from the state who the federal government would acknowledge were here illegally. arizona says it wouldn't have to do the job if the federal government would. chief justice said it seems to me the federal government doesn't want to know who is here illegally or not. on the other hand, justices ginsberg, so and -- >> the attrition through enforcement conflicts with the federal governments ability to take into account the foreign

policy, human caran and complicated considerations that go into setting immigration policies. >> reporter: there were only eight justices hearing this case because justice elena kagan recused her several from the case. if this ends in a tie 4-4, the lower court decision stands. megyn? megyn: those who back the law need to find five votes. five out of 8. sb1070 is the first of several state laws. whatever the high court decides will impact several states. coming up we'll take a closer look at what the justices did and did not say today with two noted supreme court experts. julian epstein and jay he --

sekulow are standing by. you may be surprised by what they say. top republican senator charles grassley raising serious doubts, sending a new letter to the white house. we are told he poses 14 specific questions and demandsa they retrace the white house review that cleared all staffers of wrongdoing. meantime janet napolitano on the hot seat. she called the conduct inexcusable but said the president was not in harm's way. >> this conduct we heard about. did that pose any rise together president's security when in colombia or national security? >> that was my first question to director sullivan when he called me and the answer was no, there was no risk to the president. megyn: she adds part of this

investigation will include a review of training to see what if anything needs to be tightened up. necessity may not have known they were not supposed to solicit prostitution when they were there to protect the president. they have to add that to the training now. humor. works better when you are on cam. we have new reports from the federal election commission that may soon have the president's own words coming back to haunt him. look at this. reports show special interests have contributed $7.5 million to the president's campaign so far. but remember when then candidate obama railed against special interest money back in 2008. that is the subject of a scathing new rnc ad. >> i will not take a dime from washington lobbyists or special

interests. they will not fund my party, they will not run our white house, we are going to change how washington works. >> the headline in today's "new york times" seems at odds. >> a rather long list of names of people work on obama's transition team who have accepted jobs in his white house. >> i'll tell the lobbyists in washington their days of setting the agenda are over. megyn: joining me karl rove, the former deputy chief of staff to president bush. has he broken his promise or hasn't he? >> yes and yes. he said he would not hire lobbyists in his administration and turned around and got waivers to hire lobbyists. but there has been troubling news reports about something that goes underneath the radar scope. there was an article that depicted how 75% of the people who are bundlers for president obama raised $100,000 more had

turned out to visit the white house. some of them are lawyers who are thinly veiled lobbyists. one woman, a communications lawyer conveys into the white house lobbyists on behalf of the entertainment industry over a battle over communications laws. she is a bundler in her home. she used her connections to. her man madden who is a political fixer in los angeles gets hired by a local agency to arrange a meeting at the white house. he may not technically filed as a lobbyist but he's making it possible for lobbyists to get inside the gates at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. megyn: antoinette holds a party and says don't you want to contribute to president obama's

election campaign? the lobbyists say i do, then antoinette is the one who has the meeting at the white house. he says i wasn't taking money directly from the lobbyists. but it's lobbyist cash for access. >> it's unclear who went to her party. she gives $30,000 as does her husband. she conveys into the white house people who are lobbyists on behalf of the entertainment industry. there is also one other deeply troubling thing. president obama excoriated these so-called super pac. but he has a super back * he has embraced and he said we are happy this group is raising money. but in addition -- bill burton's group -- the white house authorized the cabinet officials and senior white house staff appear at fundraisers for this group that accepts money from lobbyists. it has gotten $50,000 gifts.

if i tried to go to the white house counsel's office when i was there and say a cabinet official ought to be able to go to a fundraiser for a super pac. let's sends the health and human services secretary to a fundraiser for the super pac, they would have run me out of the white house on a rail. but this president who supposedly set a new standard is allowing his senior white house staff and cabinet officials to go to fundraisers of the super pacs. megyn: there is no question president bush when you were helping him in the white house met with lobbyists and took lobbyist cash. but the distinction is you didn't promise not to. >> you want to try and minimize your contact with lobbyists. what is insidious, they don't

appear at first to be a lobbyist but it turns out they are conveying with them lobbyists into the white house and they are in all likelihood -- they are not doing it as a favor to somebody, they are generally getting paid by somebody to arrange that meeting. when you are at white house you to be very careful. joe wants to come by and see you for 10 years and i want to bring salary smith with me and it turns out sally is a lobbyist for the entertainment industry and they want to bend your ear. megyn: doesn't it seem like both sides do it. don't you think the american people expect influence peddling at the white house and washington? >> it's one thing to recognize that's the world you have got to deal with and you have to constrain it. it's another thing to set a higher standard, hold yourself out as more righteous than anybody else as the president did and make these explicit

promises. no lobbyists in my administration. many lobbyists. no special interests are getting inside the gates of the white house and be able to lobby me, we know that's not true. it was a lofty ambition but he apparently made little or no effort to live up to it. i love the explanation of his people who say the on reason you know about this is because we put out the visitor logs. we are giving you the logs that prove we are telling a fib when we offer this as our standard in the first place. megyn: karl, thank you. there is dramatic new testimony in day three of the john edwards trial. his former top aide telling eye-opening stories with wealthy donors, and the candidate's love child.

boy, did we get insights into the man who wanted to be president. investigators searching for british toddler madeleine mccann again. they say they may have the best opportunity to solve this case and the best evidence she may still be alive. details on the new evidence next. when sanford city commissioner offered a passionate defense for her police chief forced to step down temporarily in the wake of the trayvon martin killing, her defense got national attention. she is our guest live in three minutes. >> what did the chief do wrong? what did the chief do wrong? tell us. for those of you who know more about law enforcement than i do and tell us what the chief did wrong [applause] [ wind howling ]

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megyn: the city of sanford, florida and the police force under serious scrutiny since the shooting death of trayvon martin. but now a city commissioner is gang national attention after a passionate defense of her hometown and its police chief bill lee. he faced heavy criticism after his department did not avest george zimmerman on the night of the -- did not arrest george zimmerman on the night of the fatal shooting. >> i want to know how in the world you can take a man of chief lease impeccable character and experience -- this is a man who spent his life in law enforcement. 27 years with the sheriff's department. he has absolutely no complaints in his personnel file. he has 85 letters of appreciation and commendation [applause] and, mr. mayor, with all due

respect to you and mr. bonaparte, this is a man who is a medal after valor winner, this man crawled through live gunfire to try to get a deputy sheriff who had been shot to safety. this is also chief that would take a bullet for anyone in this room. and i don't think we have people sitting up here with that kind of character. and i am just devastated by this. i wouldn't want to see this happen to anybody in this room. megyn: joining us live, commissioner patty maney. patty, tell us how you really feel. >> i feel the same way i felt monday night. megyn: you clearly are passionate about it. we have seen a lot of passion in this case. but mostly the passions have been against the police department in andford, florida and chief lee has been made a scapegoat.

you say wrongly. you were one of the ones saying no, we reject his permanent resignation, we want him in this job. do you feel he's been unfairly maligned? >> yes, ma'am, i do wine like to tell you why. i said at other night chief lee was guilty of a bad press conference. beyond that he's also guilty of making the unpopular but legally correct opinion. if you look at our florida state statutes, 776.032, if an individual has a qualified defense of self-defense and the investigator thought he did that night, under florida law they may not arrest him. they actually cannot arrest him. but yet the popular opinion was and i think almost all of us shared it, but this doesn't seem right. he needs to be arrested.

the chief and our officers had to follow the letter of the law. the florida statute and not the popular opinion. and i think all americans should be glad that they did that because the same legal rights that had to be afforded to george zimmerman are applied to all of our citizens. megyn: the governor stepped in, the attorney general stepped in and said this isn't right and we need to take this prosecution and give it to a special prosecutor and have a fresh look taken at this case and they came up with a different conclusion. >> no, the governor and the prosecutor did not say this is not right at all. there was a lot of public and political pressure in the investigation. i want to make sure you understand that our investigators presented the fact that circumstances of the case and asked him to press charges

against mr. zimmerman. megyn: that was the first prosecutor. >> the first prosecutor said no, not at this time. the governor then brought in the special prosecutor to take it out of the local area's hands and prosecutor angela corey also did not say this isn't right. what she said is investigations of this nature take generally 6-8 weeks. the sanford investigation was highly abbreviated and she is still continuing to build her case on work that our investigators did. but under the florida prevailing law she also understood why he was not arrested. megyn: you rejected the permanent resignation of chief lee. then you got pushback from your constituents. here is one sound bite. >> you have got to listen to the

statements that live in this city who say they want him gone. and i'm just here to tell you as long as he's here, there is not going to be any peace in this city. none whatsoever. megyn: your thoughts on that, patty. >> once this independent investigation comes back, if he made a mistake he will be gone. however, if he didn't, the city of andford, the city manager and the city commission needs to stand by what's right and what's fair. and you know, i don't care what job you do. not everybody likes you, not everybody likes our city manager. not everybody likes me. you will never find a community where 100% of the people love the police chief. but my thoughts are, sure, if there was something egregious that happened he will be gone. but until that time and i don't think you will see that, i don't think he's going to be. megyn: patty mahany, thank you,

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megyn: 2:25 in the east. there are brand-new developments in a case that made headlines around the world. it involves madeleine mccann. a british girl who vanished while on vacation with her family in portugal in 2006. new evidence surfaced that leads them to believe madeleine may still be alive but they won't say what it is. this comes as police released this age progression i am average what madeleine would look like now at almost 9 years old. next week marks five years since

madeleine's disappearance from a portuguese resort. her parents were dining at a nearby restaurant at the time. her parents were initially suspects, they were later cleared. there is a new twist in the search for a-year-old girl, isabel celis. the fbi is sending specially trained profilers to her home where the first grader was first seen on friday. this case has similarities to the baby lisa case in that the parent say they put her down to bed at night, in the morning she was gone. >> reporter: those behavioral experts you talk about from the fbi, they are talking to the family and the fbi is ramping their part of this up while the tucson police department is back off. they had gone from 150 officers on this case now to 20 officers. those officers now focusing on

surveillance cameras in businesses around isabel's home. as well as one camera point at their home that is only 75 yards away. police have asked other neighbors if they have surveillance cameras. they are accepting out questionnaires asking if they know who isabel hung out with most in the family. police are saying very little about the alleged point of entry. we are talking about isabel's bedroom window. listen. >> we gather information from every possible entry point, exit point, item that were moved. we gather that information but we usually don't comment on that because that could jeopardize our opportunity to bring isabel home. >> reporter: they completed the search of a local landfill. no evidence there. the reason they did that is

because the trash saturday morning had been taken away before police got a chance to search the entire house and surroundings. they also interviewed the 17 sex offenders who live within a 3-mile radius of isabel. gone now for five days. the parent still haven't gone back to the house. though they are now being allowed to. and there are no significant clues that we know of in this case. megyn: trace, thank you. by the way, president obama is about to deliver remarks to college students at the university of iowa. this is part of his new push to get congress to prevent student loan interest rates from doubling this summer. it's the third stop in two days to address the same issue. if you would like to hear those remarks we are streaming them live on foxnews.com. up next after this break. the u.s. supreme court taking up a landmark case when it comes to u.s. immigration policy and the question of what states can do

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megyn: the u.s. supreme court wrapping up arguments on arizona's controversial immigration law. now we wait for a decision. one that could be a major game changer when it comes to what states can do when it comes to illegal immigration when they feel the feds have not acted. the feds say the answer is they can do very little. the state of arizona and other states especially along the border feel they have considerable authority when it comes to this issue and now it's up to the justices. joining me julian epstein and jay sekulow, chief counsel for the american center for law and justice. i found it interesting. our producer spoke with you before the show. you both agree on how the arguments went. you both agree on how the arguments went this morning and what it looks like the court is getting ready to do. julian, let me start with you on it? >> as you point out, jay and i

don't agree on what the court should do but we agree on what the court will do. they will uphold significant provisions of the arizona law, the most important that allows police to ask for documentation to detain people until they can demonstrate they are documented or they are u.s. citizens, and that is in my view the heart of the statute and it looks like that will be upheld. megyn: i think that is the heart of the statute, at least it's bent heart of the controversy. it's the piece of the legislation that led president obama when this law was first passed to say this. >> but now suddenly if you don't have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you are going to be harassed. that's something that could potentially happen. that's not the right way to go. megyn: jay? >> the solicitor general of the united states said when asked by chief justice roberts whether racial profiling was parts of

this case, the solicitor general of the united states said no it is not. this is not a case involving racial or ethnic profiling period. that undercut what the president said was the basis to file this lawsuit in the first place. the arguments clearly went in favor of the united states. let me take it a step further. the focus was on the information sharing, when you have a lawful stop, checking to see if that person's immigration status is correct. justice sotomayor told the solicitor general, no one is buying this argument that the states don't have enforcement authority concurrently with the federal government when it comes with immigration law. so basically what else do you have? he didn't have anything else because that was the heart of their argument. and it was about an hour and 20 minutes. the court let the questioning go on. it became clear when i talk to that main section, the one the path was referring to.

there could be 7 or 8 justices that say that is constitutional, it can be enforced. so i'm quite optimistic at the end of the day the arizona bill 1070 is going to be deemed constitutional. megyn: how do we get to this point where this issue has been so widely debate since arizona passed this law, partisan divisions, people fired up about it. how to we get to the point where we could have 7 or 8, there are only 8 justices because kagan recused herself. >> this is look at constitutional issues rather than policy issues. there should be more bipartisan consensus to get at illegal immigration. but also on legal immigration remember this is all about whether the state law conflicts with the federal law under the

supremacy clause. there are two provisions jay did mention that are significant. one is that everyone is required to carry proof of their citizenship or documentation that they are here legally, including u.s. citizens. anybody can be detained for a period of time until they can prove that they have the proper documentation. that is something that does conflict with federal law. secondly the idea that local law enforcement can effectively make the initial decision about deportation, and make the arrest decisions about when they think someone is deport and. the federal government's argument is they are trying to get the illegal immigrants here more members of gangs who are the rotten apples, they are trying to prioritize them. >> the state of arizona said clear that this was not a situation where there was a difference between state and federal law as far as enforcement goes. once the call is made and a

determination is made they are not going to arrest them or don't want them deported, that's a decision the federal government makes. that was the contention issue. clearly a majority of the court -- megyn: shannon bream reported chief justice roberts was pressing the government saying the state of arizona is not forcing to feds to do anything. they are getting the information and they are going to pass it along and it's still up to the feds what they are going to do or not do. >> that's exactly correct. the answer was no, the state of arizona is not going to do anything the federal government has the right to determine whether there will be deportation proceedings. that's up to the federal government. this is an information sharing issue. this idea that the states can do nothing and that the states just have to sit back and say the states can control this. the solicitor general was asked do you have the resources necessary to enforce the law, answer, our resources are

scarce. the followup question is what do you expect the states to do? of course they have to protect their citizens. i think this is important and megyn, this is underscored. the entire debate was this was racial and ethnic profiling and it was the first thing out of the chief justice's mouth when he asked the question of the solicitor general of the united states and the solicitor general of the united states said no this is not racial or ethnic profiling. if pushback -- some people have said it was about racial profiling but the u.s. government and administration did not take that position. >> the president did. >> they sit was in conflict with federal law. >> the president said if you are at the ice cream stand you could get picked up and arrested. >> that's not racial profiling. federal law allows for the deputization of state and local officials.

once they make that arrest because they think somebody is deportable they have effectively put somebody in the penal system. >> there has to be probable cause for the stop in the first place. >> it wasn't a racial profiling argument he was making at the cries cream stands. he said you are setting a statewide law that says effectively everybody needs to carry with them at all times proof of citizenship or that they are here legally or they can be detained. >> that isn't what he said. >> that is potentially and conflict with the law. >> the president said i don't want people getting arrested if they are sitting in an ice cream store because of who they are. that's what he said in the fill context of what he said, and that's racial profiling. megyn: i need a quick answer on this. i want your take politically how this plays. if you think the court is likely to uphold the arizona law does this help or hurt i guess the

republicans on a go-forward basis? it's not going to make the latinos happy. are the democrats going to use that against the republicans politically? >> i think so. i hate to see this kind of thing used politically. but in the short term i think it benefits the democrats with the hispanic vote. megyn: the polls show that over 60% of people still favor the arizona law. >> 64% in arizona and 60% around the country. this lawsuit was initiated because of politics. that says something about the current administration. that's awful if that's the reason why this was brought in the first place which i believe it was. we'll see if you june. megyn: we think a decision will come in june. coming up, day three. high drama in north carolina. you are looking live at the u.s. district court in greensboro.

where john edwards, his former right-hand man is telling more. every sordid detail of what he describes as the coverup of the former presidential cad's a -- candidate's affair.

megyn: day three of a political soap opera playing out in north carolina. the days of john edwards. more explosive testimony from his top aide, andrew young. details of secret checks and meetings with wealthy donors when he was telling supports he was going to be candidate obama's vice presidential pick. >> reporter: he spoke more about his involvement in hiding the affair by claiming paternity of the child. he recalled a 2008 job interview where the interview held up a

copy of the "national enquirer" and said he couldn't hire young because it might affect his ability to do this job. finally during a contentious meeting on a rural road in edwards' suv. he says the former presidential candidate said he was getting questions from bunny melon, the money that went to young and his wife to keep reille hunter in hiding. he said i looked up and me and said you couldn't hurt me, andrew, you can't hurt me. megyn: oh, boy, jonathon, thank you. "kelly's court" is back in session. on the docket, can he hurt john edwards? today the defense will get a

crack at mr. young. here to help us wade through the testimony, lis weihl and defense attorney and former prosecutor jonna spilbor. you can't hurt me, andrew, you can't hurt me. think again, john. think again. because this guy may have an axe to grind, he may want attention. but lis, he's telling a very damaging story. >> the conspiracy that seems to go on and on. what the prosecution has to show is that edwards knew the money was going to hunter and it wasn't going to hunter just because he wanted to kowrch the affair. instated was going to hunter so the campaign could continue. megyn: there is the motivation of the donor. >> elizabeth edwards finds out about the affair during the

presidential campaign. she tells her husband john edwards. fire hunter. that's when the problem starts. that's when they have to come up with the money, to keep hunter quiet, to keep her from going to the press. megyn: what andrew young is telling this jury is then sudden think thereafter reille hunter is pregnant and she calls up andrew young in the middle of the night and she said somebody better be pregnant or dying and she responded nobody is dying. it was at that point he went to john edwards, and said she is pregnant with your baby. he responded she is a crazy absolute and there is a one in five chance it's my child. there was a attempt to get bunny melon to fund reille hunter's secret lifestyle.

>> let's suppose john edwards says, that's what happened. the crux of his defense is all that money is not a campaign contribution. it wasn't done to cover anything up from my campaign, it was done to cover it up so my dying wife who i was dispickably cheating on wants finds out. >> thee knew about it. she picked up that cell phone and said fire hunter. >> she did. and he fired her. but the affair was still going on and he needed to continue to cover it up. lucky for john edwards, the on person we hate more than him is andrew young. because he's just as slimy in my opinion. >> are you telling me that edwards -- his defense is yes bunny melon, this woman who supported me and had a lot of money, yes, she cut a lot of checks, i concede it all. the reason we did it, checks

made out to an interior decorator that were signed over to the young family that were given to reille it was because i didn't want elizabeth to know. >> that is the crux of his defense. and he says by the way, i didn't get all that money, andrew young was pocketing it. megyn: is anything going to believe that he tide all that and andrew young did all that because they didn't want elizabeth to know? >> elizabeth already knew, first of all. and it was meant to be a campaign contribution and not just a gift. a campaign contribution. if hunter had gone to the press and told about the affair that would have bennett. his campaign would have been over, end of story. megyn: there was testimony by andrew young about that. he has specifics on the conversations he had with john

edwards, speaking to the campaign. and his political aspirations. we have some of that on tape. and it's right after this break. don't go away. we are holding court over. are you receiving a payout from a legal settlement or annuity over 10 or even 20 years? call imperial structured settlements. the experts at imperial can convert your long-term payout into a lump sum of cash today.

megyn: andrew young testified what happened after reille hunter said she was pregnant is edwards came to young and said you have got to take the blame for me. you have got to go out to the media and say you are the father of that baby, not me. andrew young gave a preview of his testimony to sean hannity after his book first came out. >> at the end of it he threw in the closer. elizabeth is going to die of cancer. she is going to die in short order. we need to give the press what

they want. and if we give them a story of two staffers having an affair, they don't care about you, andrew, they care about me and this will go away if we give them that story. you will come back to being my right-hand man and everything will be fine. >> it makes absolute sense. why else would he do it? this is a married man, andrew young. why would you volunteer that he fathered child out of wedlock? why would he do that. megyn: maybe he did it base loved elizabeth edwards an wanted to protect her just like john edwards who was all about protecting elizabeth. >> maybe he did it because he didn't want the gravy train to stop. as long as john edwards is covering up this affair so his wife wouldn't find out. according to edwards he was getting the bulk of the money coming from these donors. >> it many still a campaign fund

no matter where it went to. fit went to him or went to hunter. the fact is it was meant to keep his campaign going. megyn: how can they argue it was meant to keep the campaign going. >> the definition of campaign contribution is very, very vague. would the expense have existed but for the campaign. in this case edwards cam is going to argue you betcha. even after he dropped out he still continued the coverup because he didn't want elizabeth to know. megyn: the prosecution says that's because he was hoping to be v.p. and attorney general. >> after the presidential campaign was dropped, i agree with you jonna. he's a politician. he's not going to give on that. fit was just going to go away, why didn't he use his own money. megyn: when i watch this i think of the old "chicago" song ♪ give them the old

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