i'm jon scott. thanks for joining us. keep it right here. we'll see you back here next week. u. >> >> john: is everything illegal in america today? >> i go to six or seven cans, enough to scare the crap out 6 you. >> they thought we this cocaine in tires. >> how can you tell me what i should or shouldn't eat. most americans support laws against prostitution but what if it were legal? what if drugs were legal. one country tried that. >> i think it's working.

>> john: but not in america. americans keep passing more rules. >> what are we going to find illegal tomorrow? >> show me in the man and i'll show you the crime. you followed me around you would find three felonies? >> that is under statement. >> john: in america these days everything is illegal. what is more american than opening an lemonade stand? who is first? thank you very much. >> for years, kids that set up stands like this but today watch out. the police may bust you. >> i was like really scared because i didn't know what was going to happen. we had lemonade in front yard for three days and third day they shut us down. >> i could hear them from inside at my house, girls you have to

shut the lemonade stand down. >> john: it made me want to open my stand. will the police bust me? >> there are so many vague laws that everybody arguably could be caught up in it. >> john: he says the avalanche of new laws, this is just what the feds added last year. it makes criminals just about all of us. >> every citizen could arguably to have been shown to violate some regulation in these stacks, and that the danger of liberty. >> john: the police never told these girls why they were shut down. >> my husband went to the city hall to find out and they said, really did they shut your lemonade stand. she didn't even know what law they broke. >> john: eventually the chief explained. >> we are not aware of how the lemonade was made or what it was

made with. you are breaking the law and we can't let you do it anymore. >> john: apple ton, wisconsin shut down their lemonade stand. >> they said we needed a permit to sell. >> john: they sold girl scout cookies but the city sent them a letter ordering them to stop. they ran afoul of laws that they don't understand. are not only understandable but not only to people that are not lawyers but i am a lawyer. it's incomprehensible to me. >> john: even the police don't understand. she said the kids' lemonade stand violated the law but.... >> but two officers bought lemonade from them and tipped them. >> he is accused of breaking the nuisance and property

maintenance law. his crime -- the tree in the backyard. >> go you don't remove the day you could be fined $2,000 a day. >> john: you bought the house partly because of the tree? >> yes. but it was not on planning department's list of approved trees. so you pointed it out to authorities and they said what? >> they said let them know who they are and we'll cite them, as well. >> they were held for holding bible studies. >> you need a conditional use permit. >> it's tricky because it goes down traffic studies, land studies. there could be tens of thousands of dollars. >> john: ask them how many people do it? >> the code enforcer said more than three.

>> john: you have more than three kids? >> i have five. >> john: famous people accused of breaking the law. they can afford the expensive lawyers who often get them reduced sentences or acquittal. >> but what if you are import these guys? watch out you could go to jail for years. >> we didn't catch the lobster. >> eddie used to imports seafood and then authorities said you are in trouble. >> i did the same thing for 13 years over and over. fda and bring the lobster tails in and sell them. nobody had a problem with that until the day they walked up the dock and don't off load your lobster tails. >> john: they say put them back. >> we put them back and we were wondering what happened. >> we know you shouldn't murder and steal.

that is old-fashioned. now the laws are much more technical. >> john: the government said that he broke four obscure regulations in honduras. >> they had to be packaged in 40-pound boxes. we had them in plastic bags. >> john: everybody used plastic bags? >> i started in 1986 and have been doing it the same way. >> even honduras said you have it wrong, it didn't matter. >> 7:30 in the morning, there was about six or seven black advance vans and f.b.i. a lirs, customs there were 13 on my deck all with guns. >> john: that was just the begin of apby's nightmare. you were sentenced to? >> eight years a month. >> john: maybe he was a repeat offender. >> john: any trouble allow the

before this? >> worst thing i had a speeding ticket. >> john: what happened to aware business? >> i went broke. >> john: your family? >> they broke up. my kids are back home with their mother. that is the story. >> john: i assume these attorneys general they are not evil people. they are ambitious and want to make a name for themselves but they don't want to hurt people that didn't do nasty things. most are not evil but there are a lot of fanatics. >> prosecutors have noticed that other prosecutors like eliot spitzer, senator richard bloom an that will won high office with conviction records. >> they will comb the books and find something. >> this could happen to you. they can take any law they think you broke and take you to trial. whether you win or lose you are

going to lose. by the way you done fighting, you are broke. >> john: the government never goes broke. they must have spent million dollars. >> i heard they spent five millions. >> the amount of money bankrupts. >> i have clients that have spent $10 million. >> i can't imagine how much money they spent prosecuting my husband. >> john: the feds tried jilt's husband jack and lost, but instead of apologizing for getting it wrong they threaten to fine him $37,000 a day. what crime did they say jack and jill committed. trying to build a house on their own property. >> john: county gave you permission to build? >> yes, they did. they inspect the foundation and approved it. >> john: but a government owned drainage ditch was clogged.

>> they told my husband, we are backed up. if you can clean the ditch, go ahead and do it. me used a backhoe and removed huge logs out of this ditch. the water poured off the land and we were cited a felony for cleaning the ditch. >> john: what? >> a felony charge. it gave the property the appearance of wet land. state governments flood your apartment and government comes and charges you for building on a weather land. >> john: he is digging a well here. he wasn't finding water. >> he was down about eight feet but did not find the water table. >> john: a jury cleared jack of all charges. >> we won, but after we were home for a month maybe, the army corps of engineers and epa sent us another letter saying how nicely that you won in the

criminal court, but we feel it's a wet land and the decision made by the jury did not matter to them. if you don't get off the property we're going to fine you still. >> john: what does that mean? >> $37,500 a day. >> john: they've had to sell their home. now, they live in a modest trailer? >> this has almost taken everything you have. >> yeah, because i wouldn't live like that. we will be bankrupt obviously. you have no idea what you are up against. you don't know the pow that is the epa. >> they have all the time an resources in the world. they have an unlimited budget and wear you down. >> they come in and ruin lives. >> john: so our government that is supposed to be by the people

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lemonade stand. they directed me to this website. this is supposed to make life simpler. >> they make it easy. >> there were unintelligible questions. >> i need assistant. an employee identification number. they said i needed a 15 food protection class to sell lemonade. >> bicycle injuries, i don't have bicycles. after this there is an exam. i have to wait weeks to find out if i pass. then i had to approved a government fire extinguisher. to do this legally would take months. forget it. so i did it without a permit. fox's lawyer gave me october if i didn't sell anything. i had to give everybody refunds and get the lemonade back. >> i shouldn't have sold it to

you. my customers thought it was crazy. many once had their own lemonade stands. >> do you have to get a license? >> they give me a license for a lemonade stand. >> john: i can't let you drink this. i'm not allowed to sell this to you. i didn't have time to get all the permits. >> you didn't need any pplth. >> it was once easy to start a business here. >> back in 1920s and you take a poor illiterate italian and paint the words taxi on it and he is in business. >> john: he got his start driving a cab. >> i made about $125 a week. >> john: he couldn't abandonment cab in my town unless he is a

millionaire. they acquire taxi drivers to buy a medallion. no medallion you are not legal. but they now cost a million dollars. >> very expensive. >> john: so expensive only big companies can afford them. the drivers are now employees. >> it's because the medallion. >> it restricts entry the purpose of these licenses is to keep outsiders out. >> john: so it's safe and orderly marketplace. >> the purpose of the license is so they can charge higher prices. >> john: the few remaining places where it's still easy to start a taxi business is washington, d.c. these drivers like that. >> it's free entrepreneur system. >> john: now this lobbyist wants to end that freedom. >> you have to regulate. >> john: he wants to bring the

medallion rule to washington, d.c. the number of taxi allowed you can't. >> there are too many taxis. >> john: these drivers don't think so. they like being allowed to work, but the lobbyists convinced a councilman to sponsor his bill. >> we want to professionalize our taxi system. >> john: what does that mean? >> we want to make sure the customer has a good riding experience. >> john: it sounds good but regulations or the books that subjects drivers to pelt at this harassment. at least in washington they allow newcomers to enter the business. >> washington, d.c. is the only major city in america that allows an open entry. >> john: isn't that good for poor people? >> no, it's not good. a medallion system is what is needed.

>> that squeezes newcomers out? >> but newcomers should be squeezed out. >> john: why? >> because this is a regulated industry. >> john: how much do you get a update paid to be lobby for this? >> my rate per hour is $775. >> he is about money and i can't blame him. >> john: i'm told him you are paid by the taxi king, jerry schaffer. he is using you. >> i'm being paid not by the taxi king. >> john: they keep the little guys out. >> right. kings, queens, jacks and there is some poor little folks. >> john: poor folks pay lobbyists, if he gets his regulation, poor people won't be taxi entrepreneurs. >> only a few will be able to afford it. >> washington has been an open place for taxis being able to

become a taxi driver. that is good. so why monkey with good. >> when folks have different idea about legislation. >> john: how many laws have you gotten passed? >> we are very active in my office. >> john: have you ever repealed any? >> no, i don't think many have been repealed. >> john: passing new laws adds power to politicians but it's harder to be an entrepreneur. wa. i wasn't eating well. she's a dietitian, and she suggests that i try boost complete nutritional drink to help get the nutrition i was missing. now i drink it every day and i love the great taste. [ female announcer ] boost has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to help keep bones strong and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. and our great taste is guaranteed or your money back. learn more at boost.com. [ dad ] i choose great taste. i choose boost.

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some towns ban happy meals. one banned all the new fast food restaurants. my mayor wants to limit the salt you eat and if you sell certain things these disprove out. >> there was a loud banging on the gate. >> john: not long ago they raided a food co-op in los angeles. >> they drew their guns. i'm like why? >> they searched me. they thought we had a cocaine in the papayas. >> john: there crime was selling milk that hadn't been pasteurized. >> they took gallons of cheeses. >> a year later the government raided again. they raided sharon's farm which supplies raw some of natural food. >> they come and invade and ripped my house apart. they took me down to the county jail. booked me.

>> john: he was charged with six felonies. they could go to jail. all because health officials say raw milk be drownright dangerous. >> john: it can, unpasteurized it has been heated that could have salmonella. but raw food buyers say things like this. >> it's pure and healthy, makes me feel good. >> john: that is ridiculous but don't free people have a right to be ridiculous? >> this is america. how are you going to tell me what i should and shouldn't eat. >> i eat a lot of dove bars and they aren't good for me. i also eat chicken but because people don't wash it properly it causes lots of illness and many deaths but we don't ban chicken. >> when the government gets between lips and throat that is an invasion.

>> joel is back to the earth food. >> why do you want to drink raw milk? >> i think it's healthy. i have drunk it all my life. >> john: most states ban the sale of raw milk. although my lawyer told me, if no one drinks it and i don't make any money, then this is probably legal. >> that indicates this whole societal prejudice, anyone in business is a cheater. a villain. >> john: they say hundreds of people have gotten sick from raw milk? >> more have drowned in backyard swimming pools. >> you can die from it. ultimately, you and i should be able to choose our risk. i think eating cocoa puffs and drinking mountain dew is risky

but i'm not asking for a government to tell you can't do it. >> john: 30 years, they farmed 500 acres in virginia. he has seen government pass more and more rules. >> every day i look over my shoulder, what are they going to find illegal tomorrow. >> he would like to slaughter his own animals to sell to neighbors but he can't do it. >> you can go to the woods and shoot a deer and take it around town in the afternoon sun for a couple of hours and take it home string it up in tree, cut it up and feed it to your children and that is being a great american. but if i take one lamb or one pig and get all the neighbors together and we have a community killing like they used to do and one neighbor pays me a penny it's criminal. >> john: we need government to protect us? >> if that is what you think us. that is fine.

go ask for government protection but allow my customers and me who don't have faith in the government, let us opt out. it's freedom of choice should be as important to worship, speak or own a gun. >> john: what about the freedom public officials doing public work? coming up, in america these days you never know what is legal. >> you are going away. >> but can police legally arrest you just for filming the authorities? that is next. in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families

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the problem is the watch men don't want to be watched. in jones county, mississippi a highway patrolman hed said stop your rv. pete is an activist who likes to videotape encounters with authorities. >> yes, sir. >> turn that camera off, too. turn it off. >> how come? >> turn it off for me. >> john: he had broken no traffic laws, but they were shirtless tattoo pete with that tattoos. he filmed the encounter and apparently this officer didn't like it. another arrived and said. >> i'm not turning it off officer. what are you going to do. >> fuss excuse me. >> they grabbed his camera and arrested him and his friend. >> they let us make phone calls. >> after 12 hours. >> they charged me with possession of a beer there was

one unopened beer. they had nothing else to stick on me. >> john: they couldn't charge him with filming the police because that is legal. and that is a good thing. just outside my office a cop claimed a bicyclist rode in to him on purpose but the video showed up and showed the officer was the aggressor. that cop was eventually fired. maybe video like this is why some don't want to be filmed. >> this is my friend and i'm record wagon you are doing. it's my right. >> actually, get off the sidewalk. >> this is my yard. >> in rochester, heard police stopping a driver outside her house. she went out and filmed the encounter. one officer didn't like that. >> i'm allowed to stand in my yard. >> stand in your house. >> i'm allowed to stand in my yard. >> i was in cotton pajamas.

i don't feel any reason to feel threatened. >> i have no weapons. >> it does not matter. you are going jail. >> i don't understand. >> officers took her to jail and charged her with obstructing governmental administration. >> i did nothing! >> i think the young police officer is high on his power. >> john: high on his power a little harsh. he is doing his job. >> no, it's not his job to take people, observers from their own property and put them in jail. >> john: a month later, emily put the video online. it was viewed thousands of times. some viewers characterized criticized the police. >> you posted on youtube and they come back? >> four officers. >> they started writing tickets

for parking violations, like parking farther than 12 inches from the curb. >> can i see the ruler. >> her friend taped it. >> okay that is 12 inches from the curb. >> john: after the media picked up the story said his officers' actions were inappropriate. charges against emily were dropped but no officer was ever pushed. they never are. even when they are there are news cameras, they tried to film a police pursuit. >> you are going away. >> because it's an active scene and you are leaving. all right. go away. no. >> john: he went away. he moved across the street. then the officer drove up to the him there. >> told me to go back, put it down. >> john: they charged phil with

obstructing government. >> did you obstruct the government? >> absolutely not. i was probably thousand feet away from the officers. >> charges were dropped but the officer was never punished. never the officers who arrested them would talk to us. the head of one police union sent a written comment. >> this is a serious safety issue. i'm afraid something terrible will happen. >> opposite is true. if the officers are doing the right thing, the video will show that. >> john: this hijacker ran a car into him and this video showed he acted in self-defense. >> are you recording me right now. >> some officers understand it's part of a job to be filmed. >> if you are a police make sure it's safe. >> so let's give three cheers for the officer from ocean side

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>> john: everyone laughed. these same politicians oversees a system that does this. drug raids like this one happen in america more than a hundred times every day. kneel led such raids. >> you have been in lot of raids? >> yes. >> you felt good about it? >> we thought these drugs made people evil. >> ten years ago franklin decided drugs do less harm than the drug war? >> drugs can be and are in many cases problematic. but the policy we have in place to prohibit their use are ten times more problematic. >> john: conducting drug raids is one thing that changed. on this raid a s.w.a.t. team broke into this house. shot their dog.

once inside they didn't find any drugs. the owner was charged with possessing drug paraphernalia. >> we don't end up with dogs being shot. we end up with kids being shot. we end up with search warrants being served on the wrong home. innocent people on the other side of the door thinking they are protecting their home. >> we should be kicking down more doors. >> a drug czar advisor under president bush. >> they are not kicking the door if somebody is smoking a doobie on the couch. >> sometimes they terrorize people. >> because the accident happened should not be away we do away with the program. >> it didn't stop drug use but created violence. >> tens of thousands of people are dying. >> john: it's because when something is illegal, it's sold on the black market and that is

causes crime. drug dealers can't call the cops if somebody tries to steal their supply so they arm themselves and form gangs. >> we have violence and people get hurt. >> john: especially kids, drug gangs look for new recruits. >> the recruitment programs are better than some fortune 500 companies. >> look what i got on my feet. wouldn't you like a pair of these? and go over to foot locker. come back and show them to me. he takes them back. you are looking good, man. wouldn't you be able to pair of them every week? if you come with me, this is what you could be. you could have this. >> john: a few days later, the dealer sees the kid next. you got my $120.

okay you hold this for me. that is all you have to do for me. just stand here, stand me and you'll goat keep the sneakers. i got you. and if drugs were legal, they would assume there would be more than that. >> you don't understand. it's the policy of prohibition that causes that environment. we don't have these kids on the corner. fifth of jack daniels. >> john: jack daniels and is safe well lit places, there is no violence because this is legal. but there used to be violence in places like this. >> violent crime is why america ended the 90 years of alcohol prohibition. >> we created organized crime. at capone. >> but much less of it. here is the murder rate, about 80 years ago. it rose when alcohol was banned,

dropped when it became legal again. >> if we were to do away with our drug laws and legitimize narcotic use by let adults do what they do, we know the drug usage numbers are going to skyrocket. >> john: but we don't know that. people think drug abuse would be rampant. portugal decriminalized all drugs ten years ago and the number of abusers did not skyrocket. >> in portugal, people often talk about as a success, it's actually a blatant failure. >> john: we won't to portugal. he is just wrong. >> huge problem with abuse. >> this man is portugal's drug czar. >> we have many people hooked. >> heroin users shot up on the streets and they set up tent cities. instead of doing what they have

done. they decriminalized every drug, crack, heroin, you name it. >> it's legalization. we have most in the world. >> drug use is treated like a parking ticket. people caught with drugs like this man found with hash get a slap on the wrist. sometimes a fan. when the law passed. did people run wild in the streets? >> that is not true. this woman served in the parliament? >> they take more responsible attitudes towards drugs. there is no police officer who choose for them. >> despite that freedom, independent studies found that people say they regularly do drugs stayed about the same. more importantly. >> the number of addiction decreased. >> john: we saw this woman openly smoking a joint near police officers. but we saw more public drinking than drug use. drug use is down say authorities

and drug crime is down. >> suspicious. >> as far as the police inspector had doubts about the law but they say it works. >> the number on the street is reduced. in fact the police.... >> john: and teen sues down. >> it's dropped. >> john: but in america, the drug war rages on. >> coming up, another war against prostitution. >> we don't sell access to the intimate self. it chris the idea that human beings are no better than stuff. >> john: but sex workers, what is he is talking about? >> i choose to do this. this is what i want to do.

>> john: i these >>. >> john: there is one law that most of you agree with. the ban on prostitution. in america, sex is okay, money is okay, but sex for money, is that the forbidden. >> seven women arrested and charged with soliciting prostitution. >> do you have anything to say. >> the women hide their faces. >> tv reporters treat prostitution like other crimes. >> we have exclusive pictures. cops set up a sting. cops posing as johns easily lured five women to the high-rise hotel. even using the yellow pages. >> even using the yellow pages, think about that. it wasn't at all difficult for the police to discover the lawbreakers. yellow pages have 15 pages of so-called escort services. sex work is common.

police ignore 90% of it. when they do make busts, the implication police saved prostitute. >> john: really, jail is the safest place the hooblgers have ever been? i doubt that. more importantly where sex work is legal there is little danger. here in nevada for example. >> we have problems and the sheriff comes. >> sex would, is like any other sales job. >> we are entrepreneurs and we are independent contractors just like any other business. >> john: she works at the bunny ranch. one of 20 legal brothels in nevada. >> you are a pimp and exploiting these women? >> i have a license to do this. >> john: you have a licensed pimp. >> 500 women choose to rent out bodies at his brothel. >> you claim you are having fun.

>> oh, yes. >> we would be kicking and screaming, are we dont doing that? no. >> john: wait a second. don't you feel demean? >> not at all. >> they call the act for selling sex for money inherently demeaning. >> sex is supposed to spontaneous? >> according to whom? who made the laws. you model for money, it's the same thing. >> john: sex is more intimate. >> you are still showing your body or exploiting yourself. >> i choose to do this. this is what i want to do. >> i assume you have no other option that you felt.... >> i had several more options. before i did this i had a nice paying job. i work here. >> these girls go out on dates and give up sex and it's fine, if he leaves a hundred dollar bill on the dresser, there is something wrong with that. >> it's not that complicated to

appreciate why we don't want to legalize prostitution. >> i put it to a former prosecutor. she has locked prostitutes up. >> we don't access to intimate self. it creates the idea that human beings are no matter than stuff. slavery is against the constitution. we find it.... >> john: but slavery is forced. >> prostitution is very close to slavery. it's inconsistent what freedom means to subject humans to market forces. >> john: she lost me there. humans are subjected to market forces all the time. ever see a fashion show or a boxing match? >> two men can beat each other's brains in legally. shouldn't the girls be able to have sex for money. >> john: they say sex is a job, some is better than others. >> girl at mcdonald's doesn't

love making burgers. >> candy dropped out of a college because she wanted to do sex work. >> if i don't like somebody i don't have to be with them. >> john: nevada has it right. not all of nevada, some places are billing. >> they have lots of robbery, $2 million of property theft. prohibition does not work. if you want disease, if you want money going to criminals. then keep it illegal. >> john: by keeping this illegal you kill people. people don't get aids testimonies. they are afraid to report climbs to, did tests done. in nevada there is no crime. >> you can't get aids from prostitution if you can't engage in prostitution. >> john: they do engage anyway it's under ground? >> but people rob banks too.

>> john: but this is consensual. >> people will want to do things that are harmful to them. >> john: i wish you could talk to the women from the bunny ranch about this. >> i would be like, i can save you! >> john: i was glad she said that. she stayed there to listen her comments. >> you guys are beautiful. >> john: now they came forward. they work in a legal place. they say it's great. >> it's your own choice and if you don't like it, leave. >> i'm happy that you are happy. the fact that you are having a good time is not an excuse to ignore. >> tell me why it's so bad for me. >> and nothing but happy. >> but i believe the majority suffer from harm that is so serious i would compromise your freedom to protect you.

>> you want to basically what they can and can't do with their own bodies. >> i would like to live in world where people didn't hurt each other. you should be ashamed of yourself. >> john: the senate majority leader agreed? >> it's time to outlaw prostitution. >> john: even if you support laws against sex work or drug use, do we need all the high school so many that no one understands them. the government can't count the laws. no let's get rid of some of these laws. that is our show for tonight. get rid of laws. good night! ortho home defense . with a new continuous spray wand. and a fast acting formula. so you can kill bugs inside, and keep bugs out. guaranteed. ortho home defense max.

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