>> steve: i can feel my toes again. >> brian: steve, good job! congratulations. >> steve: i'm one tough mudder! >> gretchen: you both did it. and alex, you did it, too, but you designed the course. >> i'm a bit sadistic. >> brian: we'll talk to you more in the after the show show after this. have a great weekend. bill: you can handle that on your own. good morning. it's friday. they are wasting billions of your money on another federal

program. that's the charge from a republican who says they are wasting $18 billion a year on a job training that's for anything but a j-o-b. martha: i'm martha maccallum. senator tom coburn is fired up about this. he says a new study he commissioned shows that money is going down the drain at an alarming rate. he says the job training is going to travel, lavish meals and video games and making the government bigger. >> the vast majority of money spent for job training, it goes to employ people in job training programs. juan williams, good morning to

you. he's making a point that coburn says we can't tolerate this. >> we shouldn't. this is an outrage. tom coburn has become the new bill coxmire. spending out of control, no results, no benefit to the public. the counter argument would be we have to allow these folks to have jobs. we should be promoting jobs for low-income people who don't have education. but as fall coburn says these folks don't get jobs out of the program. the big jobs is the federal government hiring people for the job training. bill: this is what the study found. job training participants spent their days sitting on a bus. they were trained for jobs that do not exist. others were paid to sit through sessions for jobs they already

had. none of this makes sense. >> this is part of the larger argument in washington about where does money go and do we have a good reason for it. some people will make the case, it's just like summer job programs. a lot of these kids, you see them walking around. do they have a program giving them the skills and experience that will allow them to go into the private sector or are we just giving them busy work. or are we just making busy work for government employees who are obligated to take care of them during this period. it's an outrage. bill: for those saying this is government waste and we are not surprised by it, there are politic in this equation, too. the president is pushing for more of this. governor romney argues we should give it to the states and let them figure out how to best spend that money.

that's a classical democrat versus republican argument. >> correct. the argument is, is the money going to people in need and who can best design these programs. there is an experience with states running these programs and you had similar levels of corruption and waste. but the states are on the ground and they can better target in the opinion of mitt romney, the likely gop nominee. president obama and the federal government, the democrats are saying we had that experience, we think the federal government is equipped to do it. as you see from senator coburn's work, that's not the record, bill. bill: we'll see this argument play out because it is campaign time. you have a good weekend. apparently everybody is doing it. martha: let's take a closer look at the numbers and these programs. only 10% of job training programs check to see if their

participants ever got a job. so no followup there. expanding current job training would cost another $28 billion over the next 10 years. there is one job opening in the united states for every 3.3 unemployed americans. pretty tough odds. boy, oh boy, this is a huge story today about the facebook ipo. it officially gets started 11:00 trading today. social networking giant, a huge american success story goes public. it's set to hit the market in a couple hours. 900 million users worldwide came from an idea that was con concocted in a dorm room at harvard. it's valued at $100 billion. try to wrap your head around that number.

the price will be $38 a share. it has been ratcheted up as all the excitement continues to gather around this stock. you can see people on the floor of the new york stock exchange. the average invest jr. will likely pay a lot more than that. we'll see what happens at the open. a number of levels why this story is so interesting today. i'm joined by stuart varney. let's deal with the hype first. is this company worth all that money? >> i haven't a clue. that's the honest hans. i do not know whether facebook is a good investment, a bad investment. i don't know if stock is going to go up or down. but i'll tell you this. is is a very american moment. an all-american company introduction a new industry as result of innovation, risk, hard work, effort, and today you are seeing the creation of 1,000

brand-new million airs. mr. zuckerberg is worth $19.1 billion, and for every $2 that the stock goes up, mr. zuckerberg is worth an extra $1 billion. this is a very american, very capitalist moment, martha. martha: it is. it was captured in the social network. you watched these two young men as they hatched this company literally in their dorm room. a lot of focus on edwar dough severin. he's getting a lot of heat for renouncing his american sit seasonship. does he have a right to leave and do waver wants with that money once he made it.

>> the u.s. made this man. he has shown ingratitude by leaving and renowngs his american citizenship. he made his money in america. he should pay tax in america on american money. that's one side of the argument. but under the constitution he's an individual and free to make that decision. but he's running away from a massive increase in taxation president obama has proposed. and in california they are going to impose a special millionaire's tax where facebook is based. there are two sides to this argument. what is new is if the senator gets his way, the two senators who proposed this, he won't be able to come back. he can never come back. martha: let's listen to charles shierm on this and hear what he has to say. >> if it is determined the

individual has renounced their citizenship to avoid taxes, they would be barred from returning to the united states, period. martha: the "wall street journal" in an editorial calls democratic senators chuck schumer and bob casey a pair of envy specialists and says a punitive exit tax on the facebook ex-pat is not worthy of america. this man-made a ton of money on a company started in the united states and he should be free to do it. >> reporter: how would you know how someone has decided to renounce citizenship. martha: it's a fascinating story and we'll watch it coming up in two hours. thank you, sir. bill: hard to find a lot of companies that reach 900 million people around the world.

mitt romney defending this business record. his most public move to date hitting back at an obama campaign ad attacking his time at bain capital. romney calls it among other things off target. >> our approach was to always try to make it enterprise more successful. the purpose of the president's ads are to suggest that i'm not a good person or not a good guy. and i think the american people will know better than that if they don't already. this should be a campaign about the future and who can get america on track again to create good jobs. who can do a better job for our kids. it's about jobs and kids. and having the campaign focused on character assassination is one of the things i find offensive among many others in the pack description that came in the "new york times." if that's accurate that's something i repudiate. bill: the obama ad was put in

five battleground states across the country. key areas. martha: in the meantime, target iran. the u.s. is saying it's ready to attack to prevent tehran from creating nuclear weapons. and envoy says washington wants diplomacy. but if it does not work. the plan more military force is not just available, it is ready. bill: now you have republican lawmakers not so sure on how the white house is handling iran. >> it's time we to something to stop this nonsense instead of talking about it and killing everybody with paper. bill: why republicans argue the white house may be quote playing along with iran. what does that mean? martha: there are new developments in the fight over

the keystone pipeline. how much oil could it supply to this country? bill: the showdown over our spending and debt. the speaker john boehner says he's being made to be the bad buy. >> they are look at me like i'm carrying a sword around town. wake up! that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm. fohalf the calories plus vgie nutrition. could've had a v8.

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martha: big news out of hewlett-packard. they are planning to slash their workforce by as much as 10%. the company plans to cut 30,000 or more jobs next week. hp best known for personal computers but they struggled to keep up with some of the new technology that has been so hot like smart phones and tablets. they have been pretty much out of that game. bill: a top republican accusing democrats of playing up the

drama in this debt ceiling debate. speaker boehner says there will be no budget brinkmanship on his part anyway. >> people are looking at me like i'm the guy carrying a sword around town and i'm going to bludgeon someone. all i'm suggesting is it's time for to us talk about this. when we get to the end of the year we have to deal with it. why are we going to wait? bill: how you doing, sir. based on what we have seen in washington, we watched these debates and issues play out. they always go to the last hour of the last day. is this going to be any different? >> i don't know, bill. i approached the subject with high hopes and expectations. the american people know we have

a legitimate debt crisis. under president obama the nation racked up more debt in the last three years than the last 300 it's a threat to our jobs. we have a small businessman say illegible should i expand, i'll be called upon to pay this federal debt it's a threat to our national security and a threat to our children's future. sooner as opposed to later we gotta do something about -- to quit spending money we don't have. bill: to that point about american business and regulations. he calls it a wet blanket that covers the country and keeps us stuck where we are. but you have democrats on the other side, chris virginia beach holen calls it reckless and irresponsible because he sees this debt fight as a threat. >> what i think is irresponsible

is borrowing as mr. vanholen and nancy pelosi have done is borrow 40 cents on a dollar. i think it's also irresponsible to say what we want in washington is business as usual. we don't even want a debt ceiling vote to be a small speed bump on the road to national bankruptcy. people can look at your net worth and see what's happening in greece for a country that didn't shoot straight with its people and didn't live within its means and have broken promises to generations and it's chaos. if we act today we can do what every american family and every small business does, and that's live within our means so our children and grandchildren can have greater opportunity. for the first time in america's history people are thinking their children aren't going have a brighter future it's a wet

blanket this debt that falls over our economy. it's one of the things the president has done to help create worst jobs record since the great depression. bill: do you agree with speaker boehner who says you can use the debt ceiling to get congress to act? >> it's a wakeup call. it says wake up, you are not living within your means. you are spending money you don't have. the speaker laid down a simple principle. if you are going to increase the debt ceiling it's time to start bending the spending curve and living within your means. it's like saying the bills have come in but we are going to create a budget and cut up the credit cards. and by the way, it's been almost three full years since the democrats who control the senate have daneed to bother to write a

budget. bill: debt ceiling, bush era tax cuts. spending cuts set to kick in. we are going to talk a lot the next 6, 7 months to find out where we are heading. martha: there is brand-new evidence that has been revealed in the trayvon martin case as we get closer to the proceedings of this criminal case. do the medical reports we are seeing back up george zimmerman's claim of self-defense to any extent. plus new video of martin moment before he was killed.

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bill: 23 minutes past the hour. bus loads of protesters arriving in chicago ahead of a nato

summit. oregon high schools retiring their native american mascots. the nicknames and logos are gone. mr. las vegas in an ugly legal fight. wayne newton being sued by a construction company saying he sexually harassed a female employee. martha: thank you very much in german. bill: most of my life i thought that was a woman singing that song. martha: a young wayne newton. i like your version during the break. we have this very serious story to turn our attention to. there are brand-new developments in the highly controversial trayvon martin case you need to hear about this morning. court document are showing

neighborhood watch volunteer george zimmerman had a broken nose, bruise and bloody cuts on the back of his head following the incident and trayvon was shot at close rank. >> reporter: despite the state attorney at the time concluding the florida stand your ground law was giving george zimmerman immunity. the p.d. thought a manslaughter charge was applicable. saying he could have stayed in his vehicle, waited for law enforcement and this deadly incident could have been avoid. we have the last videotape showing trayvon martin alive. it's at the 7-11 down the street. within 15-0o -- 15-20 minutes he

would be dead. one picture taken at the scene shows george zimmerman with a swollen and broken nose. it showed that in the prior three weeks trayvon martin had smoked marijuana. here is a 16-year-old girl describing martin told her there is a white man following her and he soundinged scared. >> reporter: much of the 67 cds are still redacted, not made public. that includes zimmerman's

reenactment of what happened in that gated neighborhood. also his three statement to investigators and the cell phone and text records of martin and zimmerman including what zimmerman was texting after the shooting. martha: one of the relevant things near this trial will be who was the aggressor when the actual fight ensued and who was screaming help on that tape that you could hear in the background. >> reporter: and who is screaming help is still in dispute through all of that. robert zimmerman who when first heard the help did not think it was his son george but now thinks it is. what is not in dispute is george zimmerman took a beating. there are cuts all over the front and back of his face and neck. one boy describeds it as the boy

with the black hoodie was on top. >> the boy with the black hoodie with us throwing down blows on the guy mma style. >> reporter: we do not know who was on top, who was throwing the first punch. there are no witnesses to the first moment of when this altercation turned physical. the first witnesses only started looking out their windows once they started hearing the voices and screams and something was happening outside. but clearly as far as the state prosecutor is involved, it is george zimmerman, second degree murder charge. they think he started the whole incident and therefore he cannot claim self-defense. martha: they will have their work cut out for them in this trial. phil, thank you so much. bill: the attack ads firing up and the central question emerges. where is the line between fair game and off limit. we'll hear from both sides on that in moment. martha: critics say it will hurt the environment and supporters

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martha: mitt romney has condemned a plan by a billionaire supporter to run a $10 million ad campaign that

would have linked president obama to his former pastor jeremiah wright. >> i want to make it clear i repudiate that effort. i think it's the wrong course for a pac or a campaign. i hope that our campaigns can respectively be about the future and about issues. and about a vision for america. i have been disappointed in the president's campaign to date which has focused on character assassination. martha: what exactly is offlimits in this campaign and what goes to the constitution of the people running for the president of the united states. dennis prayinger joins me, a radio talk show host. and doug schoen, former pollster for president bill clinton and a

pollster. what do you think of the romney camp's decision and statement on that. was it strong enough? >> it was strong enough. governor romney was right. that ship had sailed. did it speak volumes about president then senator barack obama? yes, it did. to have attended a church filled with racism and america hatred for 20 years, to have this man as your mentor. that was a perfectly appropriate issue. had it been reversed, a white candidate with a white supremacist church the press would have gone ballistic. but it's over. unless -- nevertheless, it did say something about barack obama. martha: there were regrets john mccain wouldn't go after that issue. who knows fit would have had a change on the outcome of that election. about it raises questions about

what's fair. there is i a front-page story about mitt romney and things that happened in high school. high school pranks that were talked about. is this where the american people want to be in this conversation? >> absolutely not. they don't want to be there. they don't want to talk about what happened 50 years ago. they don't want guilt by association. they don't want to deal with these issues of peripheral people that may or may not have played a role in people's lives. they want to talk about the economy, jobs and how do we get america revitalized. that's what people care about. that's what the campaign should be about. martha: let's start with the white house statement. this came out before governor romney came out with his renuns yaition of all this yesterday. this is from jim messina from the campaign.

that's what they had to say before mitt romney came out. let's look at what charles krauthammer said on this on "special report." >> i think it would be completely legitimate but i think romney is wise not to do it. there is an appalling double standard it's okay for the "washington post" to run a 50,000 word story on a prank that romney allegedly committed and it's low road for people to bring up the fact that the adult obama had a 20-year relationship with a racist anti-american preacher that he spoke about and wrote about as his mentor and spiritual adviser. martha: that echos what you were saying early were there is. both candidates can swear off all of this kind of thing now. as he get into the heat of this,

the super pacs have a relative amount of freedom to bring up what they want to bring up. is there a chance they will not listen to what the candidates are saying and go after some of this stuff on their own? >> the beauty for the president is the truth is he doesn't need a super pac. he has the "washington post," the "new york times," the "los angeles times," the "chicago tribune," the "miami herald," abc, nbc, npr, pbs. martha: we get it. >> that's the fact. >> i think charles krauthammer is wrong. i don't think this is appropriate. the super pacs are going to do this stuff. which is why the citizens united decision has opened up a flood gate unaccountable advertising *. we do have to talk about the issues. it's not about a culture war.

it's about the unity of the american people to solve problems. martha: thanks for being here. bill: there is an arrest finally ending fears of a killer on the loose in mississippi. police arrested this man. he's 28 years old. his name is james willy. they plan to charge him after two bizarre murders along highways last week. initially investigators thought the killer may have been posing as a police officer. they know dropped that theory. police tested a gun in the suspect's possession and said it matched the gun used in the murders. he terrorized a lot of people. martha: how about this. a high-ranking republican is accusing the white house of playing along with iran. what is that all about? we'll talk about that. bill: we are keeping our eyes on these fast-moving wildfires in

arizona. it tripled in size. we'll tell you what is being done to save the homes that are so close by. w the residents are told to get out now. >> if it reaches a certain hill back there, we are take off. we are running.

martha: the controversial keystone pipeline would begin in the massive bert oil sands which can produce 3.5 million barrels a day of oil for 37 years. it would end at the texas gulf coast. the environmentalists have made stopping this pipeline a top priority. and john roberts is at fort macmurray with more. >> reporter: imagine a swimming pool the size of

florida. that's how much oil there is. they get out of the ground using huge electric shovels and dump trucks that can hold 400 tons with every load. all of that equipment made in the united states and transported up to canada to use in the oil sands. they are dramatically increasing production and can days only too happy to ship that oil south through the keystone pipeline to the united states. >> this is a secure reliable source of energy. there is no animosity between our countries. we are generating economic profitability for both of the countries. the jobs creation is huge as is the business development and investment going on between our countries. it's a natural fit. >> reporter: it's estimated for every two jobs created near

the oil sands, one job is created in the united states. canada the world's largest supplier of foreign oil. the keystone pipeline would carry an additional 800,000 barrels a day down to the gulf coast. martha: what is their take on what the white house said about all this, john? >> reporter: they understand the environmental concerns. canada is a very environmentally conscious country. up here in bert a lot of these big open pit mines, thousands of square miles of territory and it does have an impact on the land. but a lot of this new capacity will be brought on using different methods. a lot of the oil sands are too deep. so they drill horizontal wells. a lot of head scratching why the white house didn't green light

the pipeline because of all this. >> profound disappoint and confusion. this makes sense. the state department said as much on all levels. we got caught up in politics. i think it will make good sense economically. >> reporter: if the keystone pipeline is not built, there are a lot of countries breaking down the door trying to get to canada's oil. the prime minister says they want to sell their oil to countries who want to buy it. bill: there is a call for the white house to stop talk and start taking action on iran. several republicans accusing the white hours appeasing the iranian regime. >> the administration seems to

be playing along. >> these guys aren't going to stop. they are always going to be a way to get money and the things that they need. it ain't going to stop. you reach a point where you can't negotiate with tyrants. you stop this stuff because you are endangering humanity. you tell tyrants enough. while you still have time. it's time that we do something to stop this nonsense instead of talking about it and killing everybody with paper. bill: dan burton was strong on that. kt macfarland, you say the u.s. is not toying with iran, you say iran is toying with us. >> the united states, especially president obama will do anything to prevent a problem prior his reelection. he will do nothing to aggravate the relationship with the united states and iran. so what happens in the iranians continue to have negotiations, they continue to string us along. but are they stopping a nuclear

weapons program in absolutely not. they are accelerating the nuclear weapons program and burying the facility deep underground so if we were to take military action it would be a problem for us and unsuccessful. we need to say to them, the sanctions will be so severe that they will stop if you your tracks and if the sanctions don't stop you, military action will stop you. you have a choice. you can give up your necks or your nukes. bill: you say sanctions make us feel better but they don't do anything in the end. people would argue the sanctions did affect the people in iraq and iran to a grow. but are they having an effect on the regime in you would argue the other side. iran watched what happened with korea for 15 years. >> that's the key. bill, you absolutely hit the nail on the head. what example does iran have of

how the united states responds and whether we carry through with our threats. in 1994 we said to the he koreans, stop your nuclear program or we'll have sanctions. if you do stop, we'll give you aid and we'll be friends. the north koreans went ahead with their nuclear program and they paid no consequence. so the iranians said if america can't stop north korea they can't stop us. they don't believe any threat is a credible threat. they force the iranians to come to the conclusion it's either their necks or their noose. bill: if we buy your argument, then it hasn't happened. will that position change? >> severe sanctions to completely isolate iran economically from the world. iran needs its money from oil effortsr exports to stay alive. if they don't get that money the

people go to the streets like they did in 2009 and they demand a change. that's how reagan won the cold war. he cut off the ability of the soviet union to have oil revenues. bill: you saw when the people went on the streets of iran they were beaten back and defeated. >> that when president obama should have said to them, we are with you. he should have done with reagan did when the pols went to the streets in the 1980s. but he's got to second chance. he has a do-over. people will take to the streets if their conditions are dire enough. that's what we need. the iranians back in the streets demanding regime change. bill: kt, thank you. martha: she was a driving force in the new healthcare law, now health and human services

secretary scat lean sebelius is set to speak at a university graduation. but that generated a controversy. father jonathon has an interesting take on this one. bill: the ring of fire around the sun is the moon. ♪ went down down down and the flames went higher ♪ ♪ it burns burns burns ♪ the ring of fire hi. we're spreading the word about new honey bunches of oats fruit blends and their unique taste combinations. like peach/raspberry. with one flavor in the granola bunch and one on the flake. two flavors. in harmony. honey bunches of oats. ke your day hes better.

martha: the moment that stargazers have waited for for nearly 20 years. the sun and the moon aligning this weekend for a rare eclipse

that will look like a ring of fire. the best views will be from california and texas, california to texas. the rest of the country will be able to watch only a partial eclipse. but you will have an opportunity to sight online or you can wait until 2023 because then you will get another opportunity. how come this eclipse has that ring of fire around it unlike the others we have seen. >> this is a solar spectacular that you can talk to your grandkids about. once every two decades the moon goes in front of the sun. however, the moon is farther away. therefore the disk of the moon does not cover the disk of the sun. it leaves a halo. the ring of fire. martha: i was reading that it doesn't go in a perfect circle. it's almost an oblong circle and

creates this incredible ring of fire. what is the best way to look at it? >> do not look at the thing with a telescope. that's what galileo did an burned out one eye as a consequence. either have dark sunglasses or a pinhole camera. the image of the sun will shine on the second sheet of paper giving a clear image of the ring of fire. look at it with dark glasses or a pinhole camera. martha: what can we learn about the moon or sun by watching this. >> we spend all our time looking down on the earth, we rarely look up. then we begin to look up we are part of the glorious universe that has splendors like this and it's something you can talk to your grandkids about dekids from

now. martha: you can see it online. go to foxnews.com and we'll tell you how to watch it online. you have such a way of putting these things in poetic terms and making us want to be part of it. thank you for being here today. bill: the mudders are in our studio, by the way. the veterans out there doing the obstacle course on our turf. martha: they are amazing. thanks to them -- bill: get the camera over there. well done. is the white house pushing green energy at the expense of our military? you will find out at the top of the hour.

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martha: green defense over military defense. there are new questions about that this morning, about the obama administration's push for

green energy at a time when the military is facing massive cuts. brand-new hour of america's newsroom friday. glad you are here. i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. republican lawmakers pushing for more money for armed forces. but a new report reveals the feds have spent more than $68 billion on climate change activities going back four years. that's a focus the senator calls the wrong agenda. >> the initiatives of non-algae boy oh fuels. force our military to take money away from core programs to invest in unproven technologies as part of a cap and trade ageneral a is reckless.

martha: is the white house putting green energy ahead of defense in steve moore is with me now. good to have you here. $68 billion spent on these green energy efforts. the big question i think every taxpayer needs to know is what have they gotten for that money? >> when i saw that story this morning my jaw dropped. i couldn't believe $68 billion. that's billion with a "b." not million with an "m." a massive amount of spending on climate change and research. a lot of people are getting rich off of global warming. the big issue is not just how much we spent. as you know, a lot of the programs we spent money on have been things like solyndra, the solar energy company that got $500 million of federal money and went bankrupt. there have been a lot of

examples that went bust like that. whether we want money that should be spent to keep us safe and keep us secure going for green programs. >> it does raise that question. there is panetta who has talked about having a green military has also said he's very concerned about the cuts in our military is experiencing. >> that's exactly right. the military is supposed to take a big cut because of the deal that was made under the debt ceiling deal back in august of last year. those are very severe cuts that leon panetta said they are going to be a potential crisis for the military. and so at a time when the money is so -- we need so much money for our military, we are devoting a lot of this money to green programs to keep us safe it's a misallocation of resources and i'm glad senator

inhofe is looking into this. martha: we talk so much about the debt. when you talk about serious cuts and where they will come from. defense is the only one taking it on the chin so far. >> that's so true. if you look at the deal made on the budget. 20% of our federal budget is military but it gets 50% of the budget cuts. the defense budget and pentagon budgets are taking severe reductions in their spending limits whereas the domestic programs get off fairly easy compared to the defense budget. you have to remember what is the most important thing our government spends money on. our national security i would argue. martha: they are seeing cuts across the board which is a big problem for a lot of people. bill: this is an event that has america's oldest catholic

university under fire. health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius speaking at georgetown university's public policy institute. that's an invite washington's archbishop calls shocking. father jonathon morris, fox news contributor to offer a bit of an explanation. i want to start with the outrage. >> as you introduced, this is a catholic university. that what's they call themselves. if you say you are a catholic university, it means when believe in something. there are certain things up for discussion within the catholic faith and you can have different views on them. but there are other things that are non-necessity gorable. life, religious liberty being two among them and here kathleen sebelius not only fought for abortion rights, but is the

chief architect and the one implement can this hhs mandate that the bishop has said has been the most outrageous attack on religious liberty in recent history. so coming to speak it would be fine i'm sure with the bishop if she came to speak in a debate. that's what universitied are for. but coming to speak at a commencement activity or event is obviously an award. bill: so the school says, we need to have this discussion. there's nothing wrong with that. we can debate these issues. but why would the school invite her? what is in it for the school? >> it's a great question. there must be a reason. they are not inviting her to debate. they are not having her to a discussion. they have given two explanations that don't pass the gable test and are childish. number one, we don't support necessarily her beliefs.

hmm ... you are going to invite her as a commencement speaker? two, the kids made us do it. they actually said that. they said the students wanted her to come. the agenda behind this -- i'm no going to suggest what it is. but as the archdiocese newspaper said they are risking their own identity as a catholic institution. the bishops have the ability to say you are no longer a catholic institution. call yourself whatever you would like, but don't confuse people by saying when believe this but we do something different. bill: this came up three years ago when president obama went to the university of notre dame. how does the church explain all the invitations. i know where you stand on this. >> the explanation of notre dame is we share so many things in common and many people say

actually president obama is a pro life president. he will work to reduce the number of abortions. after 3 1/2 years everybody knows now that you cannot describe him as such. and the old critics are quiting down and saying maybe we were right. i think georgetown should take a lesson from the playbook. bill: we'll get kathleen sebelius' perspective in about an hour. >> georgetown is not the only catholic institution embroiled in controversy concerning the healthcare law. stuben university dropped its entire healthcare coverage for the students. the university cited the costs. they are considering dropping their health insurance plans and to both schools claim the issue is financial as much as it is

moral in both of those cases. bill: fox news alert. two american troops killed in afghanistan. this is near the pakistan border. the reports show the troops were killed when rockets crashed into a u.s. base in the kunar province, a remote area known as a haven for insurgent groups. it brings home again the sacrifice they have given so much. martha: they have. there is a diplomatic dilemma going on for the obama administration. should the u.s. formally apologize to pakistan six months after u.s.-led forces accidentally killed 24 pakistani troops at the afghan border. senior administration officials are saying they will not

apologize. but what's coming out is how they agonized over that decision for several months. peter, how close has the administration come to apologize together pakistanis in this situation? >> reporter: if president obama hadn't apologized to karzai, an an apology probably would have been given in person. but while the secretary of state was flying to meet with the foreign minister she was told to stand down. officials thought two apologies in one day might make washington look week. now u.s. officials tell us there won't be an apology. there have been discussions over time on whether to apologize. a decision has been made to expression deep regret and then move forward. the question was asked

internally and that was when are they going to apologize to us for things like letting bin laden live in their country for years. martha: without an apology, where do things stand in a very complex relationship we have with this country of course. >> reporter: shortly after two dozen of their troops were zerntally killed, pakistan closed a supply line into afghanistan. it has been costing nato $38 million a month to take a detour. tom donilon yesterday said we are making progress with the pakistanis and the lines may reopen soon. >> the key government group is in islamabad have instructed their negotiators to move to conclude these negotiations. we have our necessity negotiators out there as well. >> reporter: the "wall street

journal" notes president obama's political advisers didn't want to give mitt romney ammo by issuing another apology. martha: we'll have more on this coming up. bill: greensboro, north carolina. the jury getting the case in the john edwards case. it was thought edwards might testify. he did not in the end it was thought his daughter kate would take the stand. that did not happen either. but now this jury has the case and we'll await what happens there. president obama speaking at an aim at alleviating hunger in the continent of africa. bono also speaking on a topic that's near and dear to him. i hear bono has $750 million

worth of facebook stock that just went public. martha: a lot of inside investors sold some of their stock. there is breaking news on the war on terror. house lawmakers just wrapped up a major vote on whether the united states government can detain terror suspects detained here in america as enemy combatants. their status is on the fence. bill: eric holder, speaker baron, with a message for president obama on the attorney general. martha: the man busted for robbing a house, but how it unfolded, it's giving a 13-year-old a lot of credit. the chilling 911 call the moment he broke in. he broke into my house. y drink?

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bill: check out this scene, a billionaire is born. this is from menlo park, california, home to facebook. and that is 28-year-old mark zuckerberg doing a version of the opening bell for the nasdaq exchange. you have to think there are dozens of people either on stage or in that audience that are instant millionaires. martha: that must be a receip a pretrial tee good feeling. bill: the american way. it was born eight years ago, 2004, was it facebook? you're watching it live. martha: the stock doesn't actually start trading until about 11:00. watch for that too. that is going to be fascinating. onto this folks, fox news alert for you on some big news that has just happened on the floor of the house of representatives. lawmakers there have defeated a controversial amendment that would have stripped the federal government of its power to endeavor in it lee detain terror

suspects who are cap tao*urd on u.s. soil. michael mukasey fought against this amendment. he spoke to us in "america's newsroom" yesterday about it. he says it would have rewarded terrorists. here he is talking about it yesterday on our show. >> this would require that anybody taken into custody in the united states would automatically get miranda warnings, be brought into the civilian system, no questioning at all for intelligence, no turning over to the military eventually, no designation as an unlawful enemy combatant. martha: charles cully simpson was against this amendment as well. he's former secretary of defense for detainees. tons of experience on this. good to have you here. is it accurate to say if a terrorist was saw the on u.s. soil, and i brought up this example yesterday with the judge, trying to explode a dirty bomb over an american city that they would be taken into custody by the police and not by the

military? >> well some law enforcement, whether it's federal or state, but, yeah, they would go into the federal, criminal system. there would be no option for the government to treat them as an enemy combatant, even for a short period of time and lawfully interrogate them. it was a pass go, directly to federal court, no enemy combatant. martha: it's been shot down in the house. >> right. martha: i know you're happy to hear that. you feel like there needs to be adjustments made. you think both sides sort of have the structure of this wrong right now. >> there is a big debate going on, mart that. finally congress is engaged in the debate with the executive branch and themselves. the bee date has on one side folks who say that any terrorist caught in the united states whether a citizen or not must be mandatory sent into military custody, period. you can't try them in federal court. then there is the other side which says, no, no, no, no you cannot put them in military custody.

they have to go directly to federal court. and both sides in essence are con strange the commander-in-chief, whether it's obama or anyone else in the future by saying what they have to do, when in fact under the constitution, under the laws of war and under our domestic criminal statutes he has the authority to do both. you know obama is going to send them to federal court if they are brought here any way. the commander-in-chief needs to decide on a case-by-case basis where to put them. martha: we asked the congressman to come and talk to us but they were literally in the middle of the vote. let's hear his story from the floor. >> hands down the dumbest set of arguments i've ever heard in debating has been circulating that some who i taking away this extraordinary power from the president rewards terrorists. i would like to remind everybody, and particularly tea party conservatives, that just

because the government arrests you doesn't mean you're guilty. under their thinking, basically once the government says you're a terrorist, you're a terrorist. martha: what do you think about that cully? >> he's wrong, judge mukasey is right. the government isn't saying if they arrest you you're a terrorist. the congressman must not be paying attention to the vibrant litigation that is going on here in the district of columbia circuit court through the habeas process in th process. the universe of people we are talking about is zero. we are only talking about the flexibility to use the power on a case-by-case basis. the congressman is dead wrong. martha: that has been shut down. thanks for joining us. bill: a north carolina jury has just been given the case. they begin deliberations at this

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martha: it is 24 past the hour now. a bus crashes through the rails of a bridge in vietnam. it plummeted over 60 feet into a river bank and there are reports that at least 35 people lost their lives in that accident. and the federal aviation administration is reviewing rules to prevent pilot fatigue, now saying that it was wrong not to include pilots for cargo

planes in those earlier guidelines. and how about this as we head into the summer concert season, van halen postponing all of their shows on the summer tour after the concert in new orleans on june 26th. they'll do that one but the classic rockers, such a great video, that is a look that we don't really miss all that much, do we? they haven't said why they are postponing the tour. bill: i think based on the reports we are getting about david lee roth i think it was a good decision. i think we saved him from -- martha: himself? bill: himself. fox news alert, jury deliberations now underway in the case against john edwards. he's accused of using donations from two wealthy supporters to hide his pregnant mistress. edwards faces up to 30 years in jail and more than a million dollars in fines. jonathan serrie outside the courthouse now, greensboro, tha*bg, can we say what his fate will hinge upon, jonathan? >> reporter: it really boils

down to two things, first of all whether john edwards knew about that secret money from two wealthy donors that went into helping hide his pregnant mistress during the 2008 election cycle, and whether the money was simply private gifts to keep him out of hot water with his wife as the defense argues, or if it was intended to protect his political aspirations as the prosecution claims. about the money in question, the judge instructed the jury that the government does not have to prove that the sole or only purpose was to influence an election, but if a donor would have made the payment notwithstanding the election, it's not a contribution. so a lot for this jury to consider as they deliberate this case in the building you see right behind me, bill. bill: did the judge also give them any instructions about separating how they decide between the law, and the emotional pain that was inflicted upon his wife at the

time, elizabeth? >> reporter: yeah, that was part of the defense's closing arguments. edwards' attorneys were very critical of the prosecution for dwelling on the sins of john edwards wourbgts a wourbgts as edwards. elizabeth edwards who had breast cancer bore her chest during a heated conversation in a aircraft hanger. she was asked, did the story of elizabeth at the hangar proof edwards knew he was doing something illegal or was it know make him not like him. in rebuttal they explained this is powerful evidence of where his head is, where his priorities are. his priority wasn't his family, it was his campaign, bill. bill: jonathan serrie, breaking news out of greensboro. when there are updates we'll bring you back. martha: interesting to see how long the deliberation takes. we'll keep a close eye on that

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martha: new details from the tucson police in the case of missing 6-year-old isabelle celis. police have found bones near her home that seem to have been there for some time. >> we see this very often where

a construction crew will be unearthing an area that previously had been undisturbed for a significant amount of time, and while doing so they discover bones. pretty much in every instance, more often than not there is really nothing nefarious or suspicious about it. they still will do a thorough investigation. at this time there is no indication that it has any connection to the isabelle celis case. martha: a lot of concerns in that case. six years old disappeared from her home four weeks ago now. bill: they are turning the heat up or trying to on eric holder. house speaker john boehner said to be pushing president obama to make attorney general hole hold comply with a congressional subpoena. there was a memorial weekend deadline that had been stated. holder being asked to hand overall the documents in the botched gun running stung. katy pavlick author of fast and furious, barack obama's

bloodyist scandal and shamless cover up. katy good morning to you. >> thanks for having me. bill: there are a lot of things to write a book about, why this. >> fast and furious is one of those scandals that isn't being covered like a watergate or iran contra. we are note talking about lost taxpayer dollars here, we are talking about lost lives in mexico, hundreds if not thousands of them and the murders of our own federal agents. this is a very serious situation. not to mention you have the justice department engaging in a full on cover up, the latest eric holder refusing to comply with a congressional subpoena, which they have the authority to issue and the justice department has to comply with it under the terms of the constitution, which is another way of proving that they have a lot to hide here. bill: you think they have a lot to hide, these your conclusion in. >> absolutely. you look at the documentation that they have submitted out of 80,000 documents we've only seen about 7,000 of them. of the 7,000 we've been issued blacked out sheets of paper. if you look deeper into what

they are blacking out it's upcoming policy and legislative initiatives that is redacted. and so the details of what they are actually redacting shows that there was sewing behind this scandal that they are not willing to admit and they are definitely not willing to come forward. bill: there are tens of thousands of documents that have been given internally to an ig, an inspector general. why is that not sufficient, explain that. >> the inspector general worked for eric holder during his time as the u.s. attorney in washington d.c. there is a conflict of interest there. and everything that the inspector general is privy to, congress is also privy to, and the justice department investigating itself on this matter, they are willing to go to lengths of covering it up internally. i've talked to people with nhef who say they are actually waiting on that inspector general's report but they are not waiting for the facts to come out, they are waiting for an inspector general report that everyone can agree on rather than just producing what actually happened here.

bill: you're dropping a bomb a little bit when you mention watergate. that raises people's ears. >> no one died. no one died necessity watergate, bill. we are talking about the attorney general in mexico and hundreds of dead people. bill: it led to the ouster of a u.s. president, which is significant in its own right. however, you do know a deputy for eric holder came out and defended his box you'd expect him to do that. and when he talked about this contempt charge is extraordinary, he called it inappropriate, unwarranted. if you go off of that statement alone it doesn't appear that eric holder its going to make a move towards this. if it is true that john boehner is asking president obama to get him to comply, where does this go, or does this end up just as a conversation time and again for days if not weeks or months to come? >> well you're right. speaker boehner did push president obama this week to tell his attorney general to start complying and getting to the bottom of fast and furious.

this investigation has been going on for more and year now, we deserve answers, and president obama as the commander-in-chief has a responsibility to tell his attorney general, congress has the authority to subpoena you, and you have to comply with that. this is an issue of president obama's own white house staffers on the national security team being contacted about fast and furious. this doesn't just stay within doj much. so if president obama is not willing to hold his attorney general accountable congress has to proceed with contempt charges or a civil suit against the attorney general. bill: we asked a lot of people about what they think eric holder is trying to cover up. what is your theory? >> if you look at all the evidence, look at the internal emails, the interviews this i've done that i document in my book, this is all about pushing an anti-second amendment policy initiative. blaming the gun dealers in america and blaming them for the murders in mexico. bill: thank you for coming up. we'll see where this goes if

anywhere. thank you. martha: crazy weather going on in parts of georgia today. watch this. that doesn't look so good, does it. that is the result of a spring thunderstorm near atlanta, knocked down trees, pea-sized hail. i love the descriptions of the different. there's baseball size, grapefruit size. it looks like snow is coming down. the weather service is reporting lightning fires as well. thankfully no injuries reported. bill: pea sized hail. martha: you've got your soft bail sized. bill: golf-ball sized. that will leave a mark on your car: u.s. deciding whether we should apologize to pakistan. should that even be a question sth we'l? we'll take that up in a moment. martha: remember the woman who was burned when the rocks in her

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our closes allies in the war on terror but many doubts were raised when osama bin laden was found to be hiding in the country for some ten years, and a lot of questions raised about whether or not pakistani officials at the highest levels may have known that. marvin calb, former diplomatic correspondent. he is a fox news contributor, and we always enjoy having him on. marvin, welcome. good to have you here this morning. >> thank you very much. martha: when you read this account of the inner workings of the obama administration as presented in this story it seems that they went back and forth over the language, what would be appropriate, whether they would express deep regret, whether they would apologize, why? >> because in the world of diplomacy the difference between regret and a poll stkwraoe i apology is regarded as huge. when you express regret, which is what evee we've already done. you are saying you are sorry but not responsible for what happened.

when you apologize you are accepting full responsibility for what happened. and in the u.s. examination of what happened last november when 20-odd pakistanis were killed by the u.s. in an operation very near the border in pakistan it was discovered that the responsibility really was not just the u.s. it was also pakistan's. and so there's been this argument, and it seems silly, you know, why not just say it and get it over with? but somehow or another when it comes to diplomacy there are a couple of things you've got to keep in mind, one, how is it going to look to the area? will we look strong, weak, whatever? the second is how is it going to look to the american people. we've got an election coming up. if the american president goes around apologizing all over the world for things that he did on his watch, it looks as if he's weak, and obviously he does not want to do that. martha: you know, obviously it boiled down in many ways to how to get this supply route

reopened. >> yes. martha: from pakistan to afghanistan. and it appears that that is in the works, as a result of, you know, this changed language. i think a lot of people look at this stuff and they just throw their hands up in the air and say, why, why would we have to be so careful, so tentative with a country that clearly had some people in some levels that knew that osama bin laden was within their ranks. now they are going to increase the price to something like $3,000 per container to get across the line and we are going to go along with that? >> it's going to be a little less than that. but we are going to go along with that for a very simple reason. the supply line from pakistan into afghanistan, to maintain the allied nato operation in afghanistan is crucial, because otherwise the only way you get supplies is to come around by way of russia, and the central asian countries before you can get it into northern afghanistan. then you've got to get it to the regions where the fight is. so from every point of view this

spat with pakistan -- and by the way this is not the first one with pakistan, we've had a very torturous, problematic relationship with this country from the very beginning of pakistan's existence. this is another problem zone, it will be resolved, i have absolutely no doubt of that, but you go through these agonizing moments when big things are going on and you say, come on, what is really the difference between regret and apology? martha: i think there is a lot of feeling that they realize that there are people within the pakistani government that we can trust and others that we can't trust. >> absolutely. martha: it makes it a very difficult road to walk. how about the political side of this? there is one sort of short paragraph in the story that deals with the issue of whether or not an apology would be seen as a weakness that might be exploited by the romney folks.

one official said that never came up in the discussion, another one claims that it was a concern of theirs. your thoughts on that? >> i think it obviously was a concern. any major foreign policy decision becomes a political concern in the course of a re-election campaign. i think that's obvious, and it goes almost without saying. but there is a way of isolating, insulating these discussions. when you are discussing pakistan you are bringing in people who are concerned about national security issues. when you're discussing politics these are separate people. but there is an overlap at the very top with the president's key advisers, and of course the president himself, and he's in the middle of a campaign. he knows very well that if the impression were to be created that the u.s. is, quote, weak, then what is going to happen is the romney people will immediately jump in and say, the president is weak and that's a bad thing. so you must -- if you're in any

sense sensible about either a domestic concern, or a foreign policy issue, you know that there is going to be an interaction during the campaign. martha: marvin kalb thank you so much. >> my pleasure, thank you. bill: 13 minutes before the hour. the gator was 300 pounds. the man trying to catch it was about a buck-seventy. martha: what was he thinking. bill: he wasn't. what in the world is going on here. you'll find out when the man behind the camera explains to us live, next. careful, pringles are bursting with more flavor. [ crunches ] mmm.

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she was hiding under her bed while her home was being robbed. listen to this. >> somebody just broke into my house. >> who broke into your home? >> i don't know. i'm scared. >> i bet you are. we're going to have somebody over there as quick as i can. i'm going to keep you on the phone with me, okay? sweetie, you the only one home? >> yeah. >> hohow >> how old are you. >> i'm 13. martha: that poor kid. the 911 dispatcher seemed to handle it really well. she tried to text for help. the suspect was caught not too far from the home holding the family's safe. she has pled not guilty. bill: like a nightmare. what do you do? martha: as a parent too. bill: good for her. caught on tape, and alligator did not like the man who approached him. in this corner you have dr. fred

boyce, said to be an expert on snakes and reptiles, the man in the blue shirt. in the other corner is that 300-pound croc on the side of the road. this did not go well. the man who recorded that video is captain charles taylor, with sea level fire and rescue in north carolina. captain good morning to you. >> good morning, sir. bill: the doctor is okay. he got a bite on his arm, treated at the hospital and released, correct? >> correct. bill: how did this happen? >> we got the call earlier that afternoon, a lidd lady stopped by and said there was an alligator in the road. me and my partner corey went to check it out. bystanders already started to get around the gator, and they called the aquarium to come handle the situation. bill: what did he put over the head of that crocodile? >> that was a towel out of somebody's vehicle. bill: what does that do, normally, if anything? >> i'm not too sure.

i guess so the alligator continue see him coming. bill: have you seen that tactic before? is that something that works in north carolina with these gate stphers. >> i've never seen an alligator that big in north carolina. bill: you've never seen an alligator this big before in your state. >> nope. not outside of a zoo or aquarium. bill: what i read is that the doctor, he was waiting for maybe the wildlife theme to get there, and he was told that they were not going to arrive, and so he felt some pressure to go ahead and take care of this on his own. >> correct. bill: is that the story as you have it? >> yes, there was a lot of houses in that area, and they didn't want the alligator hanging around because of their children. bill: he was good hearted about it all. i don't know how you're able to tame something like this. because what was the plan after you get the towel on his head, what do you do then? >> i'm not sure what his plan

was entirely. they were just going to try to wrangle it and tape its mouth shut, and from there i'm not sure what they were going to do. bill: that was the strategy. you were on the camera, right. >> i was. bill: did you think about putting the camera down for just a second and lending the hand, captain. >> i wasn't getting anywhere near that thing. bill: you're a smart guy. what did they do with this gator? i mean is he still around or what happened? >> the wildlife captured him and released him in the local water. bill: okay, so he's back in the wild then, right? he was not captured and taken away, he was let go? >> yes, sir. bill: how are you doing after watching this? >> i'm doing fairly good. [laughter] bill: i bet because you had the camera, captain. you were the smartest one in the group. >> my friend in the white shirt he wanted me to capture it on video.

so that's what i did. bill: job well done. you know, somehow these gator stories never end well. this one did kind of sort of. thank you, captain. good luck down there in eastern carolina. martha: we are only laughing because we know the man is okay. that is one of the most bizarre stories we'v we've ever done in "america's newsroom." check out the ipo, it's going to open in five minutes. the ask price is $38 going into this. it looks like it may open a little bit lower than what they thought according to what we are hearing about this. we'll keep a close eye on it. less than five minutes away for the first trade for the stock known as fb, facebook, when we come back.

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