opine. word of the day, do not be a creten. thanks for watching us tonight. i'm bill o'reilly. please, always remember the spin stops right here because we are definitely looking out for you. >> sean: tonight, it's been a tough week for president obama's re-election campaign as the attacks of mitt romney at bain capital fell flat. numerous democratic officials have broken ranks with ranks wie president. this has forced team obama to try something different. last night, speaking to donors in denver, the president resorted to one of the oldest tricks there is -- blaming bush. 11 to this. >> after inheriting a $1 trillion deficit, i signed $2

trillion of spending cuts into law. my opponent won't admit it, but it's been starting to appear in places, real liberal outlets like the "wall street journal" -- since i have been president, federal spending has risen at the lowest pace in nearly 60 years. think about that. think about that. i just point out that it always goes up least under democratic presidents. this other side -- i don't know how they have been bamboozling folks into thinking that they are the responsible, fiscally disciplined party. they run up these wild debts. and then when we take over, we have to clean it up. >> sean: that's debatable. but it is not the only campaign trial balloon.

according to the daily caller, some of the president's reporters are experimenting with a brand-new attack of mitt romney, painting him as a politician who is being held hostage by the right-wing extremists in the republican party. will this narrative backfire? joining me, eric bolling and kimberly guilfoyle. welcome to you both. >> hi. >> sean: it seems to me, before you roll out a new attack, in the case of the obama campaign, a new ad going after bain, you ought to clear it with your own team. >> right. >> sean: democratic senator after senator, cory booker, disavowing it -- >> uh-oh, something's having a manying problem. and it seems to be getting persistently worse. this is laughable. first of all, they were saying that romney, he's for romneycare. now they are saying he will be the toy puppet of the conservatives. they are completely inconsistent.

you can see the bain attacks are backfiring. obama is losing support amongst his own base and the women. he is not doing well in the swing states. they near trouble if this is the best they have, no way it's going to have legs through the election. >> i agree with you. yet, eric, tell me if you weren't amazed to read that the president is holding fund-raisers with people from the financial services industry. >> that doesn't surprise me. he's smart. people from the financial services industry give to campaigns. they give to both sides -- but that sound bite you played, where he's in colorado saying, hey, look at us, we are spending at a slower pace than anyone else. but they are fixing the republican debt wild debt problems. that's disingenuous, that's a borderline lie. day by day, the only way you can do it is by day. president obama is spending $9.5

billion per day. president bush was spending $6.8 billion per day. that's 40% more. president reagan spent $2.5 billion a day. how can he come up saying, we are spending less? he's not. they have jacked up the baseline and they are playing the game of we are only spending a little more year to year. >> it takes a lot of hutzpah. >> who are these people who are giving the mony? people like, yes, i want to lose more money and see the economy in shambles. >> he is attacking them directly and by name and they are still giving him money. >> maybe they are hedging their bets and giving money to both sides. but if you are into a reckless teenager with a full checkbook in the white house, keep him in

office. i don't understand. >> why support someone who hates you? isn't there a moral component? >> no, no, no. there is no moral component. >> if you support a president, a senator, even a governor, you will probably at some point down the road say, i need a favor from you. remember that law you want to push through, remember that tax? i need you to look the other way on that. remember when i bundled $500,000 for your campaign -- [overlapping dialogue] >> that's old. >> look, obama's smart. hutzpah -- yeah, i need the money for my campaign. that's basic politics. pay me, i will, you know -- >> pay to play. >> private equity every year. you are a quisling if you are giving money. you are traitor to the beliefs you purport to stand for, a defender of the marketplace -- >> capitalism, don't do it. the politics are completely

skewed. they are not in your favor if you believe in capitalism, why would you support this administration? >> i would like to get a list of the people who are giving in that business to barack obama. i think it would be fantasy. >> let's look at the mitt romneys we have been presented with, the flip-flopper, next it was the out-of-touch plutocrat, next was the right winger and now is a man who is putty in the hands of right wingers. >> so bizarre. i don't know what they are doing with the hostage, he's hostage of the right wing, like poor cory booker, walking it back, doing the electric slide, that statement -- >> what do they have on cory booker that they could get him to turn around? >> i don't know. he's a better man than that. i know cory personally. he could be a great leader in the country, in terms of his ideas about fiscal responsibility, all of that.

you know, i am supportive of it. he should have stood his ground. >> three hours -- >> very bizarre. >> no, i am not sure that's the hallmark of a great leader. >> well -- >> let's say you are the obama people. this is a sincere question. you are trying to create a cartoon of mitt romney, which one do you go with? >> this is not about creating a mitt romney for people to see. i think this is about, you know, the rabbits, the white house rabbits, where they send it out and the navy chases the rabbit, so they keep sending the rabbits out. the three or four that you mentioned. but the last one is bain capital rabbit, ran out and ran right back. they said, uh-oh, you want to talk jobs and we didn't create any jobs, we are down 500,000 jobs and mitt romney did create several hundred thousand jobs between staples and sports authority and the other companies that bain capital kept afloat, in some cases, they

couldn't forever, but in some cases they could forever. i have the ceo, the co-founder of staples on this network a couple of hours ago, he said that mitt romney is responsible for the 80,000 employees we had here because we needed capital and they had it. we wouldn't have been able to stand if we didn't have that. >> what did you take of the success rate at bain capital over the failed stimulus and the disastrous problems that this administration has created? like solyndra? >> how foolish to say, let's have a conversation with the economy. if you are barack obama, that's not wise. but is it plausible that mitt romney who, just defeated a number of candidates more conservative than he, i don't know if anyone is paying attention -- this just happened. that he's a puppet of of the ri, if only that were true. >> there is no foundation to support that statement. it's like a phantom that they threw out there to see if people will follow it -- >> you can have an attack that

is so dumb that it doesn't work. is that what you are saying? >> that's what i am saying. doesn't this tell you how desrat they are and they are not -- >> i thought he was in a good position -- >> until the bain thing. that's going to rock the campaign because he came outer -- president obama came out after the nato meeting and said this is going to be about private equity versus government and now they have to walk it back -- >> a lot of support [overlapping dialogue] >> democrats are punting on that. >> thank you both, very much. >> thank you. >> coming up, they have outdone themselves. we uncover at this time stories that are blatantly not being reported by the press with this week's edition of media mash. and later, what the fiscal crisis overseas could mean for us here at home, that's coming up next on "hannity."

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>> welcome back to "hannity." it's time for media mash, the weekly roundup of all the ways the press spins the news. here to go through this week's material, brent bozel. welcome. i want to put up first, a clip from chris matthews t. i don't know if he gets paid by the obama people, but he is the throne sniffer, the unpaid staffer in cable news. here's his reaction to cory booker's statement on one of the sunday shows that -- about the obama ad against bain capital. this is what chris matthews said. >> hold o. we watch the president do this very intricate response to what the mayor of newark said yesterday, which i think was an act of sabotage. whatever the intention was, he was trashing the entire obama campaign of the summer in one appearance on "meet the press." let's watch the the presidentt, trying to defend himself against what looked like a betrayal. >> the claim that his work as

head of bain was a great preparation for the presidency is not true. now, why don't we have the whole cabinet doing it? why don't we have democratic governors and senators and members of congress? i would have thought an orchestra leader would have been important. you do saturday, you do the women on saturday and you do the minorities on monday. >> what a stalin list. it is not criticism, it's betrayal. should he be giving campaign advice to his hero from a person on cable news? >> first impression, isn't liberal tolerance fun? they preach to republicans and conservative it is --s about the need for tolerance and civility. how many times have we heard that cory booker is a supporter of obama. he joys his side. but what he is saying is that on this one issue, cut it out, stop attacking the free enterprise

system and chris matthews screams -- sabotage, betrayal, trashing. he is trying to organize the democrats around the message. let me tell you something, we know karl rove. i can tell you karl rove is gig lipping and bray praying, hoping against hope that the obama administration listens to chris matthews because it will cost him the election. >> obviously, he's a bad strategist. but the idea of someone posing as a journalist, attacking anyone who dares criticize is nought nauseating. ed klein came out with a book about the obama administration and it's about to be the number-1 best seller in the united states. take a look at one bite of sean's interview. >> reverend jeremiah wright has this box with an email, with an offer to buy his silence from a close confidante of the president, eric whittaker. he didn't name him in the book, but he mentioned that in the

tapes. moving on from that because we played that, if you ask if obama knew that whittaker offered the money. he doesn't give the answer i would suspect. but here's what he said. >>. >> that's a long meeting. >> yeah. >> was he aware that eric whittaker had offered you -- >> no? >> klein didn't come out of a swamp. he is the editor of the new york times magazine, but it's suffering a total blackout in the press. is that correct? >> of course it's news and should be covered. and does it surprise you that nbc, abc, cbs haven't said a word about this book? look, here's the narrative from now until election day. if it advances obam ait will be covered. if it hurts him in any way, it's going to be spiked. consider this -- when bush ran

for re-election, there were a slew of books that came out against him. they were all over those networks. gma, the today show, 60 minutes, nightly news, nightline, they were covered everywhere. even when bob woodward wrote a book favored to abush, dan rather brought him on to attack bush. so the duplicity is extraordinary. yes, it's number 1. remember mark levin, they didn't give him an ounce of coverage and he sold a million. so there is another audience. >> he works in the mainstream media, highly vetted so-called legitimate jobs. but the second he attack, the hero, he's ignored. remarkable. speaking of ignoring. >> just like cory booker, you go off the reservation and you are persona nongratta. >> i don't want to put you in the position of shrink here. but what is it about this

president that so commands the slavish, dog-like loyalty of the average working journalist? >> my thinking is that ideologically, he's a radical and there are so many that are radicals in the liberal media. but it is also that they are completely vested in him in 2008. they gave him 100% positive treatment. and the last thing a liberal likes to admit is that they are wrong. so they are doubling down. >> some people think that conservatives spend too much time whining about the liberal media, but i watch this stuff, i hear your explanation of what is going and the blackout of books and i think it's even worse than the average conservative thinks it is. >> these people, look, if they wanted to be promoters of barack obama, fine. but for them to look you in the eye and even chris matthews does this, looks you in the eye and tells you they are impartial, you wonder if they are utterly

dishonest or just insane. >> what about speaking truth to power? thanks for coming up. i appreciate. >> it coming up next, the great american panel. then, is the u.s. facing a financial crisis similar to the one plaguing greece and the rest of the euro zone in europe? why we need to learn and watch before it's too late here. we'll be right back. ok! who gets occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas or bloating? get ahead of it! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap a day helps defend against digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. hit me! [ female announcer ] live the regular life. phillips'.

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>> tonight on the great american panel, he was bill bradley's deputy campaign manager. boy, what a campaign that was. jacques degraff. the chief executive officer of concerned women for america, penny nance and a fox news analyst, sonny jurgensen, welcome to all of you. okay, a normal election year, the president running for re-election leads his part. he is the standard bearer, but not this year. i will give you one example. heidi hidecamp, the attorney general of north dakota was asked about her president, our president, president obama. she said -- democrat -- i think he has failed in the one test america had for him, to unite the country...

>> other than that, he's great. failing every test. this is a democrat! >> the first rule of tolpolitics is to get elected and the second rule is get re-elected. she is trying to get elected and those politics work for her at this time. but i guarantee you at the convention, she will be singing a different song. >> that's what i started to say, not just that, but west virginia, missouri, montana, pennsylvania, they are all running away from his positions on same-sex marriage, on energy policy, on no votes for his own budget. look, his own party's having trouble with him. but i will say this, it depends on who shows up to vote. we are taking nothing for granted because we are going to turn out conservative women voters, nonstop. but have you to get out the vote. >> you would think, i do think that heidi came back and puts her finger on it, the core promise was to unite the

country. >> i don't know people aren't talking about that more. it's a nonpartisan comment. everybody, come inauguration day is saying, okay, bring us together. heal us. let's have a bridge. no bridge. blows up the bridge. no healing. division, big losses -- >> but i think, as you said, nonpartisan sentiment. if you were mrs. obama, who i believe is probably committed to voting for her husband -- >> the republican convention when the president didn't have a role at the republican convention -- >> but i am saying, this guy ran on the premise that he would unite america, whether you love him or don't. >> there were people in the republican party from day 1 sought to undermine him and his program and that's well documented. >> so you feel like -- there are unseen saboteurs. it is not his fault. >> they were very much i. you are not willing to accept any

responsibility ifo behalf of the president for not uniting the country. >> you can't unite people who don't have a desire to be united. >> i would disagree with you. jacques could unite people because i have heard him preach. >> very kind. >> the president's failed in that opportunity to bring people together -- of races, of religions, of sexual orientation. divide, divide, divide. and then conquer. that's not a prescription for success in this country. that's a prescription for second term. but not for our success in this country. >> there is no possibility, penny, that on a reconciliation platform he can get re-electricitied. these guys hate you -- mitt romney doesn't like you. therefore -- >> there is a war on women. and there is the 1%. you know, on and on and on. it's about division, but the bottom line, i was looking at the polling yesterday, it is about the economic health of the

country. you can't lie to the people about whether they are doing well or worse than they were 4 years ago. they know they are not. they are worried about their jobs. gas prices are $4-plus a gallon. unemployment's high. people see through t. it's a big problem. >> you can explain one thing, you watch the republican primary, right? i bet you, with great interest. exactly right. you are telling me that a party that disorganized was somehow clever enough to derail his unification agenda. you know what i am saying? >> this organization is in conflict with itself. it is still in conflict with itself. >> despite that -- they were effective enough to prevent him from bringing the country together. >> they were responding to a right-wing push that forced their position -- >> wait, wait -- all they needed -- >> if you can't take responsibility, you will never grow. if you can't learn from your

mistakes. >> you will see us learn from the mistakes in november -- >> when you savage the other guy. >> first rule of elected politics is to get elected. the second rule is to get re-elected, so don't blame the democrats when they do that which they need to do to survive. >> there is a lot of dissatisfaction with this president. when have you people who have felony records were uncommitted. >> 40% of the vote -- against a sitting president, that's a problem. >> when six -- when six term u.s. senators from the republican party are turned out by other members of the republican party, it suggests that the robbery party is at war with itself. that war will continue. >> you are going to say your party, but you know that i am a democrat. >> we are going to unite in one sentence, a commercial break. we'll be right back. more on the great american panel when we come back. still to come tonight, sean's interview with actor andy

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>> welcome back to the panel. okay, i bet you think the federal deficit is $1.3 trillionful you know it's actually $5 trillion. the difference is that the federal government doesn't count retirement liability, which is a real liability. let me ask you this, if the federal government were a privately held company, its leaders would be in jail, would they not? >> or worldkom -- d.o.j. would be knocking on the door. it is time that we stop lying to ourselves -- it is not just democrats. democrats and republicans have been doing this for a long time. >> that's true. >> we have not been honest about what the federal government really owes. we can't fix it unless we are truthful. let's stop playing games and be honest about the balance sheet as a country and the cbo report came out yesterday and says itf

we don't do something immediately, very quickly, we are not going to recover, we are going into a freeh fall. we can't pay the interest on the debt. you know, we could -- just the interest on debt alone, we could hire 37 million teachers every year, tucker. >> that's an awful lot of teachers with 315 million people. every household, $561,000 in debt. >> i would respect the white house more if they said, yeah, you know, we really are spending more than twice the level of president bush, we are doing what he did in two terms. and it's worth it. and we dolled it again f. we had an opportunity, we would double down on the next administration. i mean, they won't say that, though. they will say, no -- that's not really the number. and don't worry about that. no one has to pay for this in the future. it's just a number. >> that would be a bold statement of the truth. but shouldn't -- reverend, you are moving with speed, i canning

tell you are getting agitated here. shouldn't we hold -- it is not just the democrats, it's the republicans. shouldn't we hold people who lie about the size of the deficit responsible for that lie? >> the finger-pointing won't get us out of where we are -- the key to a resolution is recognizing that we all contribute to the problem. >> okay. let's fix it. >> and that the problem can kill us as a country. so the deficit -- >> shouldn't we define the problem accurately? >> i am saying, the numbers are in agreement. either set of numbers can be fatal to a healthy economy. >> what do you mean "we"? i have never lied about the size of the deficit. >> we are the american people and our representatives in washington, they are democrats and republicans, are all playing this shadow game. we have to shine the light of day on this issue and confront it. the issue won't be the numbers. the issue will be how will you deal with it? austerity -- >> it begins with the president.

shining the light and then saying, get out of the dark. we have to stop this. >> when the super committee -- [overlapping dialogue] >> when the congress said that they wanted to deal with this issue and the president said that he was in agreement with that and they created the super committee, they punted. >> if you were serious in the first place, you wouldn't have a stupid super committee. we have a congress full of committees, it was designed to solve problems precisely like this one, you are admitting you are powerless against the reality. >> candidates have to stop promising whatever they want to get elected. it is wrong. we are stealing from the next generation -- >> i feel -- >> the moral component -- [overlapping dialogue] >> it goes back to leadership and bridging differences. it is not good enough to say, oh, they wouldn't let me do it. they tortured me this. i couldn't get it done. this president was elected to get it done. and bridge the differences that existed and he failed.

>> i agree. >> i have to ask you this because this has been troubling me all week, derrick saunders, 243 miles per hour -- >> you don't let me respond. >> this is too important. see it on the screen -- he was arrested driving drunk. he was accused of brandishing his firearm in a mcdonald's -- he was fired, reinstated by the civil service commission because of pressure from the unions. isn't this exhibit "a" why it's bad for the public interest. >> the public -- yobs are not bad for the public interest. there are extreme violations because on the other side of the equation, management has violated employees' basic rights -- >> violate my right -- >> that's why you have a national labor relations board because many instances of management and ownership -- >> let's take this one instance and declare unequivocally as a group, this is appalling.

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>> the intensifying european financial crisis is sending tremors through wall street and washington. of 17 countries that use the euro, seven are in recession, the worst being greece. with what looks like an imminent withdrawal from the euro, there is real fear that the violence and the riots in greece could become a reality here in the u.s. sean sat down with ion bremmer, the author of every nation for itself in a g-zero world.

they discuss the financial down foul. ian bremmer, every nation for itself. how are you? good to see you. look, if you listen to obama and his re-election campaign, this is what they are saying, the economy is in recovery. we are losing 400,000 jobs a month. people are chronically unemployed. over $5 trillion in new obama debt. he has given us a new entitlement. how do we claim a recovery summer of 2010, he is trying to convince everybody, it's all better. i don't see it. tell me where are the signs and evidence? >> look, what we certainly know is that whether or not you want to argue the u.s. into decline, we are not going to bail out the europeans. we're not going to remove assad from power. >> a reset in the arab world.

but it isn't good for america when have you the muslim brotherhood and sharia law about to be implemented in egypt. now they say their number-1 enemy is israel. >> what i call the g-zero, not g-7 or g-20, but a lack of global leadership. if you look at the middle-east, the impact since the arab spring, look across the middle-east, the only country on a definably positive trajectory is nutizzia, it's a small country. everywhere else you look is leading toward more fragmentation and more sectarian because if the united states isn't going to do it, who is? >> >> sean: you point out the united states is the only one that can do it in the short term. >> that's true. >> sean: under obam ai would argue that how he didn't see the muslim brotherhood coming into power, sharia law being imp limited. i saw it.

and someone wrote i was muslim brotherhood obsessed. have you greece about to collapse, italy, spain, portugal, ireland -- right? all of these countries are in trouble. the euro about to collapse. how does that impact america's imphee? >> i continuing will take a very long time-- the u.u. you don't think will disband? >> sean. >> i don't. >> sean: i disagree. >> i don't think there will be competitiveness, so growth will be slow, absent u.s. involvement and chinese support, the recession will be deeper and the recovery will take a longer time. >> sean: it could affect us across the pond. >> it clearly does. over the last year, markets in the united states have taken a hit and the u.s. economic recovery has been slower because of concerns in europe. barack obama said about george w. bush, he was unpatriotic and irresponsible after 8 years and $4 trillion in debt. this president in 3 1/2 years

has accumulated $5 tril trillion in debt. not dealing with the entitlement, wants to spend more money, won't allow drilling which would create jobs and would give us the added benefit of added security. >> the united states, as you know, is a wealthy country with a lot of resilience. the united states is not greece. it is not spain. we are not being pressured. we are not against the wall the way the greeks are and as a consequence of that, we are kicking the can down the road-- hera's what i think you miss. i think this election is going to be key. we are going to continue down the road toward a failed european model of cradle-to-grave, womb-to-the-tomb guarantees that you cannot sustain or america's going to reverse course. if we don't, i don't see the bond marks sticking with us because the debt is

unsustainable. it gets to a point, a critical tipping point where you can't pay it back. >> i disagree slightly. i think that we have more rope to hang ourselves with than you do -- well, in -- look, if you are facing an angry bear, you don't need to outrun the bear, you need to outrun that guy. >> sean: shoot the bear. >> you need to be faster than the other guys running away. >> sean: assuming somebody's with you. >> i am assume that this bond markets are not reacting to what america looked like 20 years ago, but they are thinking, are we going u.s., euro, japan, china -- have you to put it somewhere. >> sean: we have 2 to 3 years and the bond mark presidency begin to say, this money, we are throwing good money after bad. >> i think that-- you disagree. >> i disagree. i think we are in an environment where the level of resilience of the chinese government is lower than ours. it's clear -- [overlapping dialogue]

>> if you are right and the euro is going to collapse the united states, absolutely gets more time because who else are the chinese -- where are they going to put their money? >> sean: the more time -- [overlapping dialogue] >> the longer term-- what i am saying is that this election, americans are upset about congress, they are upset about gridlock and obama and washington. that's not a surprise. no one's doing-- the president's making the same mistakes that western europe is making. this is the same reason -- look, to have five, six countries in such economic trouble, doesn't that tell you not to go down the road of the welfare state? doesn't that tell you that health care is not affordable frun by the government? doesn't that tell you we have save a lot of pain? itch it's very clear that the debt situation in the united states over the long term is unsustainable. i am not going to argue differently-- so the welfare state fails.

>> there is a question of when unsustainability bites you in the bottom. i am saying it is not near term. >> sean: $16 trillion -- at what trillion-dollar mark debtwise, do you say, uh-oh, we near trouble. >> if it were that simple, you need the economists. the rest of the world matters. [overlapping dialogue] >> sean: i think he is more in my camp. >> absolutely. >> sean: we are right and you are wrong. >> it doesn't mean that, sean. >> sean: congratulations on the book. >> thank you very much. >> sean: appreciate you being with us. >> cheers. >> coming up, academy award nominee andy garcia sat down with sean to discuss his immigration from -- emigration from cuba and how that inspired his performance in the new film "for greater glory. " s. i like taking advil® for a headache. it nips it in the bud. and i can be that mommy that i want to be.

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>> academy award nominated actor andy garcia's newest movie is selling out in mexico. "for greater glory" tells the story of mexico's fight for religious freedom. sean is the down with garcia to discuss his cuban-american backgrown, his start as an actor and the new film. >> sean: joining us now, actor

andy garcia. very nice to meet you. >> thank you. likewise. >> sean: you came to this country in the 1970s? >> try 1961? >> the year i was born. a very good year. >> yeah. >> sean: from cube amount of yes. >> sean: and you are very active, very involved, castro's been able to hold on to power all these many years, amazing. >> i am a product of that situation, you know, it's in my soul. you know, i know a lot about what is happening and what is happening because it's in nigh my nature to stay involved. >> sean: how did you get into the acting business? >> i started -- i was a huge fan as a kid of films and avid moviegoer. had my heros, always very moved by the stories and transpies posed by them and i would live in a fantasy in a movie theater. but we had james coburn and sean connery and steve mcqueen, peter sellers on the comedeic

side. these are the people that struck a nerve in me. later on, when i was up to make a decision in my life, getting out of high school, i took an acting class, out of cureiosity and it was like a virus. i was very stimulate bide it. >> sean: you do all of these big movies, but you also like to work on different projects, mauler projects, producing films. and this is -- you are finishing up now on a religious freedom project. tell us about that? >> i don't know, the main argument of the film has to do with a war in... it was an uprising in mexico in 1926. it was a play on words for christ. and the people who fought it were called cristeros. and the mexican government created a law to curtail religious freedom. it got accelerated to the point

where there was an uprising by the mexican people, saying, you can't take those rights from us. they kicked the vatican out of mexico and they started to kill priests. 90,000 people died in 3 years. they approached me to be part of this movie and be part of the general, which was an historical character, a general in the mexican revolution, very highly decorated, atheist. but the army, a band of guerrilla movements needed a central command and there was a league for defensive freedom, a pas vist movement and they needed a leader for the army and they made him a financial offer, basically and said, come lead us-- even though he's an atheist. >> but he believed in the height rights they had and the concept of absolute freedom, though i am not religious, i believe in your right to be religious, and i am going to eye think there is the

sense that once a general, always a general. you want to get back in the saddle. you want to feel that. and the wife was very religious and she encouraged him and there was a movie created around that. they came to me to participate and play this general of it was a classic -- it is a classic movie, like you would say, i don't know "man for all seasons" or dr. zivago" or a large epic tapestry with peter o'toole and yvonne glory -- and a great cast. >> sean. >> i love movies that are based on true stories. >> historical drama. >> sean: i think you learn a lot. i like mel gibson and the passion of the christ or -- obviously -- brave heart, which is amazing. >> similar story. >> sean: brave heart, gladiator, passion, probably my three favorites. that tells you a lotted about me. >> when i got the script, i didn't know anything about this, this happened in mexico in 1926,

i asked mexican-american act ofrens of mine people i knew from mexico, they had no idea about this story. i said, why is that? i was very curious. it's a tataboo. >> sean: i had a friend of mine from el salvador. and it is amazing in this day and age that so many areas of that country are literally run by well-armed, organized gangs. and there are these acts of heroism that take place every day. the world doesn't pay attention to this. major undertakings. >> what sells magazines, you know? >> sean: what silence magazines is your face on it. >> not mine. usually scandals, things of the moment. those struggles for the concept of the struggle for freedom and, you know, this country's built on that. we are here because we are immigrants, seeking freedom or exiles