>> steve: can we keep the same shoes? >> brian: i think he has his own. >> gretchen: it dick morris will be here, michelle malkin. we'll have a bowl off in the after the show show. >> steve: see you tomorrow. martha: there you go. bill: morning everybody. it is a big win and a big night for governor scott walker. ♪ . he is the wisconsin republican governor. he made history now. first of-ever governor to survive a recall election. the fallout for union power and whether that spells trouble for the president in november. a lot to talk about based on results from last evening. i'm bill hemmer. this is "america's newsroom.". martha: good morning, everybody, i'm martha maccallum. governor walker faced a stiff challenge from union-backed democrats who were outraged for his move to end collective bargaining rights for public employees. bill: walker gets 53%.

tom barrett gets 46%. here is some from both men. >> we tell wisconsin, we tell our country and the people across the globe. voters want leaders who stand up and make the tough decisions. there have been men and women of courage who stood up and decided it was more important to look out for the future of their children and their grandchildren than their own political futures. [cheers and applause] >> this has been the most amazing experience of our lives. what we have seen over the last 16 months, is question have seen this democracy come alive. i was simply amazed at the energy, the excitement, that i saw in people throughout this state. and i, if you had been with me would feel as honored as i do to have gotten that opportunity to meet so many wonderful people. bill: we have team fox

coverage and a lot of it too. ed rollins, former deputy chief of staff to president reagan. he will explain the impact on the presidential race. stuart varney on the blow to big labor. but we begin in madison with steve brown this morning in wisconsin. after all wisconsin has gone through and the fierce tone of this election is unity between these groups now realistic, steve? good morning. >> reporter: good morning, bill. yes. given both sides had armeys of dedicated folks that gave it everything they got i think it will be kind to say it will be a challenge to bring both sides together to get on with the state's business. that said, governor walker made an attempt to at least met foricly extend and olive branch to all wisconsinites saying it is time to get on with wisconsin's business. >> i believe that for the sake of our children and our grandchildren now is the time for us to come together, to tackle the challenges that face our small businesses.

to tackle the challenges that face our families and our businesses and our seniors and all the people who care about the future of this state. now is the time to move forward. >> reporter: there is some practicality in what governor walker is talking about there, in all likelihood does look like the democrats have gained control of the state senate. which means they have a seat at the table as far as public policy will be shaped going forward. bill: what is the story with tom barrett going forward? >> well, the story, essentially is, he extended kind of the sail olive wrap much or at least consolation to his supporters at his headquarters talking about how they fought the good fight. the state heard them. the nation heard them. but it is time to get out of campaign mode. have a listen. >> the state remains divided and it is my hope while we have lively debates, a lively discourse, which is healthy in in democracy, that those who are victorious tonight, as well

as those of us who are not victorious tonight, can at the end of the day do it as right for wisconsin families. >> reporter: that all said, the milwaukee mayor was slapped while giving personal thanks to some of his supporters after that concession speech. apparently the woman who slapped the mayor was not happy that he conceded while votes were still being counted. that goes towards the sentiment that perhaps there is going to be some bitter feelings in a sort of election hangover if you will here in wisconsin. remember, this is the fourth contested set of elections that they have had in 18 months. bill? bill: that is one way to express yourself. steve brown. thank you. good work up there all week in madison, wisconsin. martha: reaction to the failed recall is pouring in this morning and none as fiery as wisconsin's republican senator ron johnson. he said that if an elected official who chose to stand

up for something bold had been booted out it would send a chilling message across the country in his opinion. here he is. >> this is incredibly important election nationally. we need stiff spines here in washington. i try to keep pointing out the budget deficit governor walker had the courage to lead and actually fix was a thousand times smaller than what we're dealing with here on a national level. so, no, if the reward for actually acknowledging the problem and taking tough decisions to fix it geting boot it off the office that will send a terrible signal other elected officials in washington they will have to have courage to face up to the very serious problems they have in the nation. bill: keep in mind senator johnson was critical from the recall election from the beginning saying laws that allow such elections are being misused. recalls were never intend to handle policy disputes. martha: governor walker's big win last night a big blow for organized labor of, the very group that pushed for this costly recall

effort in the first place. you remember the folks climbing in the windows at the statehouse in wisconsin. that is where all of this was born. and fox news exit polls showed a majority of voters, 52%, sided with the governor on limiting collective bargaining rights for public unions. but wisconsin is hardly the only place where public unions won big last night. stuart varney joins me now. the anchor of "varney & company" on fox business network. good to have you here, stuart. good morning. >> good morning, martha. martha: this is the big question. there are something like 40 states that have reform efforts in place for public unions in their pensions and efforts to make people pay a little more into those funds. what's the takeaway for these unions? >> the unions and their interests were defeated in two california cities in voting yesterday. san diego and san jose. both cities, voted on pension reform, reining in those lavish pensions paid to retired state workers. in both cities pension

reform went through. in wisconsin, voters were clearly objecting to the lavish pay, benefits and pensions going to retired state workers. retired workers or workers in the for the state, they get 22% better pay, the double the value of health care. put that on the screen, please. their pensions are 4 1/2 times more valuable than in the private sector. so money was very much at the heart of the elections yesterday. the unions took it on the chin, going down to defeat where their pensions, pay and benefits were concerned. martha: we have so separate the public union from the private union. >> yes. martha: we're talking about taxpayer money that goes to support these workers and then they're basically able to organize against the people who are paying them. that is something that fdr was against. but when you look at these exit polls, 36% of union households, stuart, voted in favor of keeping scott walker. so there is a separation between the leadership at these unions and a good

number of their members. >> by the way, martha, when union members, state workers union members were given the choice in the past year, do you want to keep paying dues to these unions, half of the members of the second largest state union in that state, half of them, walked away and 6,000 teachers walked away from their union in paying dues to it. so give the choice, a lot of people are walking away from public sector unions, certainly in wisconsin. martha: there is clearly change in the wind for these unions. you can feel it rippling all across the country. you pointed out several examples. stuart, thank you so much. stuart varney, see you later. bill: martha, a lot of people making a big deal how wisconsin is such a blue state. historically in 2008 they're exactly right about that. this was a state where barack obama did very well beating john mccain you see. out of three million votes in 2008, it was 56-42. that is a 14-point spread, one of the largest margins of victory for the president four years ago.

but back in 2004 this state out of three million votes cast, this was so state between john kerry and george bush. in 2004 that is difference of 11,000 votes. if you go back to 2000 between al gore and george bush. you find a even closer race. 5700 votes separated the two. that was the end result, winner for the democrats there in the state of wisconsin. this is a big reason why scott walker is winning. unemployment now is trending lower, 6.7%. which is much lower than the national average. i want to talk about that right now with ed rollins, former deputy chief of staff of president reagan. he managed the campaign for reagan's re-election in 1984. he had major roles in nine other presidential campaigns. also a fox news contributor. >> good morning. how are you? bill: how is this news being handled at the white house? >> they have to be totally depressed this morning because obviously this is their base and these people are their organization.

their great selling point we have the originalizational team. this was ground zero and they got clobbered. bill: does this go from blue to red or would you go that far? >> i wouldn't go that far at this point in time but certainly in the list now. nine states obama won last time that traditionally been republican states. we have to win those at least half of those first. what it does demoralizes labor. it gives republicans the opportunity to build an organization to prove we can beat the obama team head-to-head in organizational power. bill: such a big blow to labor, what happens to other states having these battles? what do they do? >> i have to think they will be equally discouraged. labor will not be happy the day before the election the president is running around new york doing his 20th fund raiser in this city as opposed to fighting the cause. bill: you see the numbers behind us. it has been a tight state. hasn't gone republican since 1984. >> it hasn't. bill: but you have 10

critical electoral votes on the line in an election that appears to be absolutely razor thin in november. >> i would argue we won governorships there with tommy thompson running for senate. won senate races there as you had senator johnson on a while ago. we can win that state. bill: really? >> not the highest priority but certainly, if i was running romney's campaign which obviously i'm not it would be there in my top 15. bill: you saw the unemployment rate. part of the reason, a big reason why walker won. unemployment is coming down. the books are in better balance. had either one of or both of those been reversed does he win last night? >> probably not. the reason those things are where they are because he made them where they are. that is a great asset he has and romney will be able to benefit from. bill: thank you, ed. >> my pleasure. bill: martha, what's next. martha: we have a jam-packed hour ahead for you. he made big headlines and caused controversy when he was caught on tape saying that the feds wanted to crucify american companies. you remember that?

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martha: something special to show you this morning. it was a touching scene at president ronald reagan's grave. his wife, nancy, look at this picture, laying flowers at the grave it has been eight years since ronald reagan died, after a long

battle with alzheimer's disease. president reagan is buried at the site of his presidential library in simi valley, california. bill: touching. there are new developments in "operation fast and furious". wiretapped documents obtained by congress suggest attorney general eric holder and perhaps the white house, knew more than they talked about or admitted about the botched gun-running sting. in a letter sent to holder, congressman issa writes the following. having seen the wiretap applications we now know the information coming from the justice department has been misleading and that must stop. he joins me now. congressman darrell issa, chairman of the house oversight and government reform committee. sir, good morning to you. >> good moing, bill and thanks for covering exactly the very bait imbecause the white house is spinning this somehow we're misleading what is in these documents they know we can't make public because they're under seal but we have read they have read and it is very

clear plenty of people who work and continue to work for eric holder are not being accountable knew they were gun-walking and continuing to gun walk. bill: you raised an interesting point there. this is not public information. it is your word against their word for the moment. why are we to brief you? >> well, because i shared all these documents with the ranking member. made them available to both parties up and down the dais. these are sealed under a federal court order for obvious reasons because of sensitivity of details what they discovered. we're not interested in what they discovered. we're interested in who saw or signed these documents and as a result what they knew. and what we know is people in the justice department directly working for the attorney general, political appointees and some career professionals, all knew they were gun-walking, saw it in the documents and continued to allow it to happen and that allowed congress to be misled for more than ten

months after a false letter and false testimony was given to congress. that is the crux of the cover-up. bill: two specific, two specific, you say cover-up? >> of course this is a cover-up. you don't lie to congress and then lie about lying to congress and lie about knowing you lied to congress and then not fire the people who did all of that and have it be anything but a cover-up. that is really what it has become. brian terry's family is not getting the kind of accountability for the people who knew and allowed him to ultimately be gunned down in arizona. that is part of it. but congress also has a role which is, how can eric holder continue to lead an organization when he has people working for him that lie to congress, are continuing to lie to brian terry, the border patrol agent who was gunned down with weapons from "fast and furious." how do we allow that? lee iacocca used to say you have to lead, follow or get out of the way. that is a message for eric holder, lead, follow, or get out of the way. if you're an attorney general you don't get to

follow. so either lead or resign. bill: two specific questions, these wiretaps did they come out of washington or the field office in phoenix? >> well, as you know whistle-blowers obtained documents everywhere but the actual signatures, the final signatures for these had to be signed by individuals in washington. bill: are they going to go after your whistle-blower, your source? >> we're not going to make our whistle-blower available. that has been one of the most sensitive areas because some of the early whistle-blowers are already feel being retribution. they're being treated horribly, particularly some of the atf individuals. although we can keep them from losing their job as whistle-blowers they're feeling retaliation of this administration as they continue to lie and cover-up the action of this. of course they try to blame people at local level where we now know this was a washington, d.c. program. bill: to be clear, you're saying that eric holder knew about the wiretaps and he was aware of all the

information? is that true? >> to be clear, eric holder's signatures are not on the wiretaps taps. but individuals who report to him on a daily basis are. that's why we're going to be talking obviously to the attorney general on thursday. so that is why we sent the letter which was not refuted but rather talked around about the whole question of the signatures on there and what it means. bill: darrell issa, thank you. more to be uncovered on this. >> thanks, bill. bill: martha. martha: well he created an uproar when he said that the epa should quote, crucify the oil and gas companies. what the former epa administrator just did that has congress pretty upset once again. bill: how about this in space, huh? a wonder for all of us to see. what is that thing? if you missed you will have to wait another 100 years. we'll be around. or stay with us in three minutes. we'll show it to you then. ♪ .

bill: some severe storms rounding and pounding the high planes of with golf ball sized hail. at least one tornado taking down trees and power lines in central montana. look at that image. the land of mountains it is. no immediate reports of injuries but folks reporting damages to cars and holes. these images what looks to be a twister nearby big sandy, montana. that is big sky indeed. martha: a no-show and growing frustration as we await a house energy hearing where a controversial former epa head, official i should say will not testify. remember this story? his name is al armendariz.

he is suddenly bailing out testifying in this after he described in a video unearthed the epa's enforcement philosophy saying he believed that regulators should crucify u.s. energy oil and gas companies in particular. remember all that? steve centanni joins me now. he is live in washington. why did he refuse to testify, steve? >> reporter: his lawyer gave no reason. he abruptly canceled late yesterday. al armendariz got the attention of house committee on energy and commerce when he made this comment in a web video. in explaining how the epa should make an examples of certain members of the oil and gas industry he said in part, kind of like how the romance rome man to used to conquer village in the mediterranean. go into turkish town and saw the first gave guys and crucify them. that town was easy to manage the next few years. you make examples out of people in this case not comply ability with the law.

armendariz was called to the panel to explain his comments. committee chair fred upton put out a statement that he is disappointed and president obama's epa established a record of abuse in its policies and enforcement practices. upton says the hearing will go on without armendariz. martha: steve, could this decision not to testify have anything to do with with release of new gop videos?. >> reporter: that is what some analysts believe that the video's slamming the obama administration of oil and gas companies made the climate too radioactive for armendariz to appear. here is one of those videos. >> to quote one of my colleagues at epa, epa is a mean, green, job creation machine. >> reporter: that is claim by republican that is the president is pushing the epa to become too green. other epa officials and president talk on video about the oil and gas industry. no immediate comment from the epa. martha: thank you very much. steve centanni. bill: there are new calls for answers after classified

information on iran's nuclear facilities was leaked for everyone to see. and now the latest in a string of high-profile leaks on foreign policy. where's the leak? what does that do to our security? kt mcfarland is on that this morning. martha: mitt romney hammering president obama saying that time has run out for excuses on this economy. that is his opinion. herman cain will be here with his opinion right after this. stay with us. we're sitting on a bunch of shale gas. there's natural gas under my town. it's a game changer. ♪ it means cleaner, cheaper american-made energy. but we've got to be careful how we get it. design the wells to be safe. thousands of jobs. use the most advanced technology to protect our water. billions in t economy. at chevron, if we can't do it right, we won't do it at all.

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martha: governor mitt romney claims that americans are tired of president obama's excuses on the economy and some recent visits. listen to this. >> after 3 1/2 years people have figured out this is obama's economy, not george bush's economy. [applause] and then he blames congress. he goes after congress but we remember that the president's own party had a supermajority in both houses for his first two years. so you can hardly blame congress for the faults that he has put in place himself. and so he is casting about looking for someone to blame and just hasn't been able to find anybody that, whether atm machines or tsunami or europe. i'm convinced this man is out of ideas. i know he is out of excuses.

in 2012 you're going to make sure we vote him out of office. [cheers and applause] martha: that of course mitt romney on the campaign trail and that has been one of his big points that he has been making all across the country. joined by former presidential candidate herman cain. the former ceo of godfathers pizza. mr. cain, good morning. good to have you here today. >> good morning, martha. thank you. martha: seems like for many people though when you look at the polls this is a very tight race and there are a lot of folks who do agree with president obama, that a lot of the economic problems that we're suffering from were inherited and that, you know, it has been a tough ditch to dig the way out of. >> that is true. and that's because, about 47% of the voters and 47% of the population, they are clueless as to just how bad things are. and i agree with governor romney. president obama is not only running out of excuses, he is running out of people to

blame. he wanted to blame multinational companies for not bringing cash back into this country in a very uncertain tax environment. he wants to blame small businesses for not hiring people that they did not need. and even blamed the american consumer for not spending money that they did not have in order to try to help this economy. yes, the blame game is over and i happen to believe that what happened in wisconsin yesterday is an example that more and more people are seeing the light, martha. and i think that there's going to be a carryover effect. martha: it may be. we will see. you know, interesting that larry summers and paul krugman, who really has been saying this for some time have sort of come out with an idea they think is sort of, one might call it a hail mary pass of a big new stimulus package. they're suggesting that what the president needs to do is take advantage of historically low interest rates, that it is wise for the country to borrow money

at these rates. i think great britain just borrowed a lot of money at low rates recently for the same purpose. they think that is the way to go. a large stimulus package. what do you think? >> well, see, martha, that's the difference between liberals and conservatives. when liberals do something and it doesn't work, they want to try it again. when conservatives do something and it doesn't work, they try to do something else. the first big stimulus package didn't work. and here's something that they are not telling people about this idea to spend more money. if you go out and do all of this borrowing, you are going to continue to reduce the value of the dollar. we not only need to throw out the tax code and replace it with a totally new structure such as, 9-9-9, but we need a sound dollar and every time we continue to drive up the national debt, we are driving down the value of the dollar. sound money, it goes hand in hand with getting a new tax

structure if we really want to do something about this economy. martha: since you brought up 9-9-9, i want to go back to mitt romney's message. are you frustrated that he hasn't spoken more specifically about tax reform or, hasn't been positive about the idea of a flat tax reform or something along the lines of a 9-9-9? >> it's a work in process. when i met with governor romney a few weeks ago i did make the suggestion that we ought to start with the premise, throw out the current tax code. now with governor romney, he is not sure yet, and i'm okay with this, he does recognize that the three best options on the table are, 9-9-9, the flat tax, and the fair tax. so he is still sorting out in his own mind where he wants to go with that. but the good news is --. martha: why do you think he is reluctant to be more outspoken about a more revolutionary tax reform program? >> well, i was considered the bold candidate, right,

because i had advisors around me who weren't telling me what to do. so we've got to work with his advisors quite frankly to get him comfortable. because if you put a specific plan on the table you have to be able to defend it especially with the media. maybe he is not ready to defend it right now and i'm okay with that. the fact he is recognizing we have to throw out the tax code, that is major progress. so i'm not frustrated at this point. martha: very interesting. herman cain, thank you very much. good to see you, sir. we'll see you soon. >> thank you, martha, martha. all right. martha: martha, martha. bill: that is clever. martha: once is not enough. bill: today marks one of america's most defining moment, june 6th, 1944. it was d-day on the western shores of france. 5,000 ships, 13,000 aircraft backed up 160,000 allied troops as they landed along the beaches of normandy to take on the nazis. by day's end the allies lost more than 9,000 soldiers but

gained a foothold in europe and started a march that defeated adolf hitler. the supreme commander of allies in europe, and america's 34th president, dwight d. eisenhower reflecting on the momentous day two years later. >> two years ago on d-day the american soldier proved his outstanding worthiness as a fighting man. no obstacle could stop him. no enemy could with stand his courage, his endures rans, his will to win. bill: you think about the soldiers and marines and d-day of special significance. 102-year-old decohen of los angeles. she was a u.s. army private stationed in england when the dark sky erupted with the thunderous roar of motors. >> planes and gliders. it was the normandy invasion. it was top secret. nobody knew even aboard ship, nobody knew where or when or what.

and there were the planes, filled the sky was filled with planes and gliders, normandy invasion. we knew that it was the beginning of the end of world war ii. bill: we're lucky to still have her story. huh? what an amazing event. private abrams was born in romania in 1910. she even remembers the first world war. quite a memory there. you can see more images of that great day with a fantastic slide show at foxnews.com. log on right now and check it out on-line. if you ever get a chance, if you haven't yet, see the beaches of normandy and that shoreline that cuts so deep into the atlantic, it is an amazing sight. martha: you can not help but stand there and recognize how high the odds were, how difficult it was to scale those cliffs at normandy. how fortunate we are to still have some of the voices as miss abrams who are still around because those voices are fading quickly, who really experienced that moment. and we are our thanks and

gratitude goes out to them today. it was an extraordinary feat in american history. bill: as we mentioned great photos on our website. encourage you to check that out. martha: good day to today that, right? let's take a look at the markets on wall street, see how they're cooking this morning. what is going on? up 18 points in the early going. we'll keep an eye on the markets throughout the show as we always do, 12 thousand 215 for the dow jones industrials today. bill: that is a plus sign, isn't it? we're not used to that lately, are we now? shuttle enterprise set to embark on the final leg to her new home. she will be new york's latest landmark and we welcome here with open arms. a voyage you do not want to miss. we'll show you part of that in a moment. martha: what is wrong with this picture? the answer, a lot. the mom who has a lot of explaining to do about what is going on there, next.

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a seatbelt enforcement campaign led to an awful discovery in aurora, colorado. police found, look at this picture. you ask yourself, what is wrong with this picture. a gas can strap understood a child's car seat instead of the diapered toddler sitting next to the can wearing a seatbelt. you can see the shoulder strap is behind the boy's back. colorado law requires all kids under eight to be strapped to a safety seat. the driver has been ticketed. get this, the driver told the officers that the child sometimes lets himself out of the car seat which kids to do. no word yet on the drivers's response when asked if the toddler strapped in the gas can. my gas can sometimes crawls into the car seat and bucklesr did. you would be a lot more comfortable over here. martha: after all gasoline is expensive, you know? bill: who took the picture. martha: the police i guess. bill: new calls now for the obama administration to investigate recent leaks of classified information on

these u.s. intelligence operations. republican senator john mccain blasting the administration specifically pointing to a "new york times" article last week, on the president's secret decision to accelerate cyberattacks on iran's nuclear facilities, saying that those leaks are all out to make the president look good. kt mcfarland, our fox news national security analysts. kt, senator mccain, he was hot on fire on this. >> yeah. bill: is he on target? >> yeah. i've been part of three administrations. i've been in the white house. leaks are par for the course. you kind of expect them. but this is something very different because what, there's a systemic pattern here. we have been heard about operational details methods on at least four or five major tell intelligence operations. bin laden raid. secretary of bob gates i thought in the white house situation room we agreed we would not give out the details but the next page they were on the front page

of "the new york times." most recently underwear bomber, the new underwear bomber which was a sting operation. there are a lot of details including who were the operatives, what happened, how did it go down? potentially that operation hadn't even been completed before the leaks came out. bill: clearly there is intent behind these stories? >> well --. bill: writers are not just making them up. >> there is intent and a lot of detail in them. what seems to be the pattern there is leak comes out of washington or the administration. and then the administration briefs on it but gives out awful lot of operational details particularly in the cyber area where you put up the map where "the new york times" had a lot of information about the iranian nuclear activities, enrichment project, that really only came from intelligence sources. this is not the first time that i've seen this stuff in the paper. bill: welling specifically on that point, kt, it was called stuxnet. >> yeah. bill: all this speculation for two years who created it and who carried it out.

a lot of people thought it was the israelis because the effectiveness of that software infiltration program to set it back a minimum of six months. >> yeah. bill: is there any advantage to the united states government or national security to put that information out and take claim for it, or credit for isn't. >> cynically i suppose the administration thinks the president will look strong and get him votes and will look like a tough guy. these are disadvantages. these are threats to things that security of the united states of merges. number one of any intelligence agency will look at leaks on front pages of the newspaper, we'll not cooperate wigs united states. they will blow our sources and methods. anybody who is thinking of becoming an inform ability to the united states, to the cia he has to say, gee, are they going to protect me or leak my name? bill: is that your experience that you surrender that? >> you never give this stuff up. you don't want to blow sources and methods. don't want to put people in position where they're picked up like the doctor in

pakistan and now put in prison. in particularly in this case you don't do it because intelligence is the key to defeat being islamic extremism. why? because satellites don't see the stuff. a bunch of guys in the cave plotting to take down the twin towers. you only find out the information with human intelligence. what we're blowing with all the leaks is human tell fence. sources and methods. bill: you point out a pattern. why do you think that? >> you want me to be cynical? because the administration is trying to make the president look like tough national security president because they don't have any good news. the bin laden raid is only thing he has done successfully. libya is falling apart. iran is on the verge of getting nuclear weapons. iraq is iranian ally, not a strong u.s. ally. afghanistan is not going very well at all. china is becoming a dominant power in the south china sea. all of these things are failures on the part of the obama administration either to see them coming, to take

steps to prevent them or do things very differently in their policies. they have not done any of these things. one thing that worked is bin laden. that is the thing they keep leaking. bill: thank you. kt mcfarland looking to this really, mccain was hot. we'll play a little bit of that later this morning. to our viewers, foxnews.com /americasnewsroom. there is a bya box. you can leave a question. hemmer@foxnews.com or on@bill hemmer on twitter. you wonder what is next. martha: you do. uprooted residents warning that they may need to evacuate again. the desperate new push to stop a massive, destructive wildfire. we have a live report coming up on that ahead. bill: that thing is huge. new video. mesmerizing beauty of the universe. a event most of us will never see it again. if you missed it the first time, hang on. why it is so rare. martha: look at that.

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martha: look at this beautiful shot. it is a nice sunny day in new york city. there is the hudson. reminds me a little of the miracle on the hudson. last time we saw a big plane like that on the hudson river. that worked out well. this is working out as well. that is the shuttle enterprise. it is the protoe type for the shuttle. it is finds its new place on the intrepid.

it will take a little loop around the statue of liberty as it gets acclimated with the surroundings in new york city. beautiful shot. we'll bring you more as we get it. bill: that is supercool. eight minutes before the hour. a prison guard held hostage. inmates in south carolina overpowering the guards. 100 officers rescued him earlier today. he is not injured. health concern about the musician chairman crow. doctors discovered a brain tumor. crowe telling her fans that it is benign. miss pennsylvania is resigning from the organization claiming the pageant is fixed. organizers say those claims have no merit. martha: jaw-dropping new video of one of the rarest solar events, look at this.

the planet venus, passing between earth and the sun, like a little dot crossing through the two. and something that won't happen again for another 100 years. so get a good look at it, folks. who else would be viewing this in california but captain kirk of the starship enterprise. william shatner out there enjoying the view. cory powell from new york city enjoying the view along the hudson river as well. editor-in-chief of "discover" magazine. we want to continue to show the cool pictures. cory, how are you doing? >> great. martha: it struck me like a little dot moving in between. this is venus. why do we get this image? >> that little dot is planet almost exactly the size of the earth. this is your chance to sort of, astronomers use all kind of numbers really hard to wrap your head around. that is the size of the sun relative to venus in. that is basically the size of the earth. even more extreme that on that. the sun is almost four times away as venus. think how big the sun is. think how little that dot is. that is us. martha: wow, that is

extraordinary when you think of it that way. that is a neat image. and you know, why is it moving so quickly was one of my questions? >> they sped up the footage for your viewing footage. the whole thing took about six 1/2 hours. even with that planet moving around the sun at 120,000 miles an hour, sort of racing ahead of the earth, taking a long time to cross that big ball of the sun but you're right, that is the solar system in action. all those things that are sort of abstract in the books, there it is. you can see it. martha: i just want to look at it. say what you said again because it is sort of sinking in. we're the same size as venus. and talk to me again about the distance between us and venus and then from venus to the sun and that makes the sun seem even larger. >> as big a the sun looks there, that little dot you're see something closer, you know, closer to us than the sun is. so if you actually put them at the same distance, that

dot would look even smaller. if you take, you could line up 100 little others side by side, that is how wide the sun is. martha: amazing. you always put these in such great perspective for us. you got a chance to watch with amter astronomers here in new york city. >> everybody was so cool. it was a astronomy party on the hud son river, looking at mostly cloudy skies. where is venus. martha: should have on been at the amateur astronomer party. >> only 7th time in history we've seen a transit of venus. bill: the clouds were a bummer. wisconsin's republican governor survives. what does that tell us about voters and democrats chances in november? martha: former president bill clinton goes rogue on president obama this time. what is going on with the

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bill: fox news alert developing story out of california. associated press with 100% of the vote. in 50% of the people in california are saying no to a tax on cigarettes. 49 say yes. both sides suggesting this may not be over. adam housley is looking into all of that in l.a. sort it out, adam, what is happening? >> reporter: only 63 votes are separating from the no's to the yeses. you had the tobacco folks on one side against the tax on cigarettes and on the other side you had those that said the tax e tax -- cigarettes should be taxed more. languages armstronlance armstrong was supporting the question on proposition 29.

california, 87-cents and the lower end when you're talking about the tax structure on cigarettes in the whole country. the average state in the country charges $1.50 on taxes. california just 87-cents. it goes down by about 63,000 votes. that's writ i where it is right now. neither side will say yes or no on this bill. the ap has called it. they say it's too close to call. a lot of people say, so goes california, so goes the country. a lot of states are having taxes on the ballot in november to try to get out of financial messes, california one of those states. the governor has put a lot of money into supporting some tax measures here, they will be on the ballot in november. this does not bode well. they are selling taxes on cigarettes, most people would believe, kind of an easy sell because this money was supposed to go towards helping education and helping get people get off cigarette smoking. one more note, what didn't help california in the last couple of

weeks is license plates. here in the state you can buy license plates, pay extra money and that money is supposed to go the things the license plates support, for example, lake tahoe, or 9/11 victims, they found out in the last two weeks that money raised by the license plate taxes did not go where it was supposed to go and the state was using the money in other places. that does not bode well for cliff. bill: that i california. bill: keep us posted. martha: wisconsin scott walker taking the governor seat again, not only surviving a recall election but winning by a greater margin than he did when he was first elected to that office. bad news for big labor which had pumped millions of dollars into the campaign to defeat walker. brad new hour of america's news rom. i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. it's only one of three or for times in history we've seen so

many people following this race. the election results are proof that voters are fed up and not just in the state of west. that was on fox ab friends. >> it is a powerful message in the fall election and probably of greater importance after the elections, they mean it in washington, madison and every other state across america when they say we want you to take on these tough challenges. if governor romney wants to be competitive in wisconsin i think he can. he needs to tackle those same issues. martha: big, big story in all of this. joined by steven hayes senior writer for the weekly standard and a fox news contributor. good to have you with us today. >> good morning. martha: i was struck by one element of this conversation. flipping around, listening to a lot of different coverage on this on all of this. it was this motion that it was all because of the money, that they were out spent eight to one, that all of this outside money flooded in to save scott walker and that's what happened. that negates the fact that he had a pretty decisive win.

people walked into that voting booth and pulled the lever for him. >> yeah, i mean look i think there is no question when you out spend your opponents, 30 million roughly to 4 millar going to do well. that neglects the fact if you look back over 16 months in this recall fight there have been plenty of ads running that whole time here in wisconsin against the governor. cumulatively i think it's probably closer than some people are suggesting. but the other point to make is that 88% of the people according to the exit polls, which we know are somewhat flawed. 88 percent of the people had made up their minds weeks ago. i'm not sure that there was that much, in terms of persuadable voters, gettable voters here at the end of the recall. martha: really interesting info from the exit polls. as you say, sometimes they hold water and sometimes they don't. this is what they are, 17% of obama supporters voted to keep governor walker in office. 36% of union households voted to

keep governor walker in office. and that's the sweet spot i would imagine of the independent vote. >> yeah, i think in particular that 17% of obama voters, we don't know exactly what that universe was. but this was something that was widely discussed before the recall. i think governor walker and people on the republican side were wondering exactly how many people will it be that don't necessarily love governor walker, they may or may not agree with his reforms. they might grudgingly acknowledge that they've been successful at least on the budget side of things, but they didn't like the process, they didn't like the recall. and there were some ads run late that if these ads, if the ads were successful i would think that those would have been the ones that were successful. the ads that were reaching out to those people who were saying in effect, i don't love this process, i don't love the governor, but i don't love the process. martha: it's fascinating that he won by a bigger margin than he did in his first election. steve thank you very much. steve haze from the weekly

standard. bill: we heard from tom barrett, he vowed to work with scott walker to bring the people of wisconsin back together. >> now we must look to the future, and our challenges are real. we are a state that has been deeply divided, and it is up to all of us, our side, and their side to listen, to listen to each other, and to try to do what's right for everyone in this state. bill: that is from barrett, walker said a similar thing about getting together with democratic leaders and coming back together after this devisive election. $66million said to be spent on that recall race. it is the most expensive election in the history of wisconsin. a lot on the line there. martha: the campaign of presumptive g.o.p. presidential nominee mitt romney is now investigating reports that a hacker broke into his private email account. the "wall street journal," owned by the parent company of fox

news releasing a trove of old emails in romney's time as governor of massachusetts. a hacker said he broke into the account by guessing a security question by one of romney's pets. bill: new offenses in a battle against a raging fire growing in northern colorado through the hour. crews working through the night, fighting flames. folks getting ready to leave their homes at a moment's notice. >> the fire is hung up in very rocky, remote terrain. we are hoping we will be able to go direct attack on the fire, and succeed in contai containment. bill: this comes while there are a number of other firefighters in other states. alicia acuna is live. what is the status on that fire. >> reporter: containment

45 percent in northern california. the blaze was started by a lightning strike, and 45-mile per hour winds not helping with the rugged terrain that officials are talking about for firefighters. air support has been brought in in addition to rainy weather that is helping in some areas. at least 13 families have been forced to evacuate their homes and there are dozens more who have been placed on standby, ready to leave at a moment's no. in part it's all up to the wind and which way it pushes the flames. right now the fire is burning in a rural area 40 miles north we northwest of the city of fort collins. >> we got the truck loaded up. got our big animals loaded in the trailer. when it got smoky and real bad we took and packed these other two out. >> reporter: it is about two and a half hours north of the city of denver, and again really up to the wind pushing it into all of that dry fuel. back to you. bill: that is a new blaze in

colorado, the one in new mexico is enormous phu a as well. you would expect the fire season to pick up out there. >> reporter: absolutely. in other western states as well as these peel see a particularly active fire season. many western states have seen a very dry spring and a record-low winter when you're talking about precipitation and that is leading experts say to a swath of wild fire fuel across the country. new mexico, two massive fires, none of them ending any time soon. a dozen fires across a half a dozen states and summer hasn't officially started yet. bill: denver, colorado today. martha: some pundits out there saying that one of president obama's most prominent supporters may actually be

working at odds in some ways to his campaign. here is what they are talking about. >> he's a double agent. what's the message, bill clinton says elect obama because at the end of the second term you might who begin to be getting out of recession? i wouldn't run on that. martha: charles krauthammer last night on special reports. is the former president helping or hurting president obama. a fair & balanced debate on that. bill: cbo out of washington says our $15 trillion debt, that's nothing. why it would double within the next ten years. martha: look at this beautiful picture that we are watching, the shuttle enterprise heading to hits final home. more on the final trip to the intrepid. look at that cool picture. we like that. we'll be right back. careful, pringles are bursting with more flavor.

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martha: a lot of folks talking this morning. new questions about president obama's top supporter, bill

clinton. they were campaigning together and raising money here in new york the other day after the prominent democrat praised governor romney's list record, stayed it was sterling. conservative columnist charles krauthammer says he believes clinton is working as a double agent. >> i think he really is now a bull in a china shop and there is a lot of crockery being destroyed. it's very clear when he said the thing about the sterling business record, that was extremely undermining, because of course he'd contradicted the whole roll out strategy of the obama campaign which was to portray romney as a vulture capitalist. martha: he also said thaebgs tenthat extending all the bush tax cuts until next year would be the best thing to do and that timing is at odds with what the president has said. joined by alan colmes hose of the alan colmes radio show. and tucker carlton. editor of the daily caller and a

fox news contributor. what do you think bill clinton is up? >> he hates barack obama, obviously. clinton is a master at passive aggressive so it's not fully out in the open. it's clear that resentments still exist from 2008 when they called clinton a racist. he's made hundreds of millions from them, is he going to side with them or the guy who beat his wife? of course he's siding with them. i'm convinced, i have no way to prove it. i doubt bill clinton is going to vote for barack obama in privacy. i'm dead serious. [laughter] martha: alan colmes burst out laughing. alan go ahead. >> this is divide and congress that the conservatives love to play. bill clinton said he favors reverse -rg the bush tax breaks for the upper 1% as barack obama has always said. to call somebody a sterling businessman, what is wrong with

that? mitt romney was a good businessman. the issue is whether he has the resume to be president. no one is putting down mitt romney's success at bain or the issue of venture capital. the issue is, which seems to be lost on the right wing that this is not a qualification to be president. let's look at the surrogates that mitt romney have, they were all calling him a liar, not fit to be president, the worst governor in the country, not a job creator. martha: alan if i think, we talk about all the issues all the time. i feel like this discussion is sort of an armed-chair psychologist, everybody wants to get into the head of bill clinton, what is really going on? did he really want his wife to run against barack obama as has been stated? is he disappointed, does he feel like he blew it the first time around and made mistakes in his wife's campaign? dig into the heart of it from what you know. what is this really about. >> i'm not a shrink, i may need a shrink but i'm not a shrink. martha: we are just talking like people do.

>> i understand. he also said that it would be kalam tuesday for mitt romney to be president, so we are ignoring that. i don't know what bill clinton's feelings are, i can't get into his head, i don't speak for him, if you actually look at things he said that mitt romney would be calamatious, and he does support the reversal of the cuts for the very rich i don't see the divide here that the media and conservatives seem to be dining on for the last week. martha: he says he's aggaffed at the suggestion that he would be hurting this campaign in any way. the next thing he said, tucker is i am not an employee of the campaign and he went onto be so complimentary to president obama, i should add. >> we are back to the passive aggressive. there is a core, a fairly large group of linto clinton loyal *eutssists.

they dislike the administration, the president, they disagree with specific decisions. they don't like obama. this is the fruit of reporting that-personally done, this is a fact. anyone who is familiar with democratic politics will confirm that that is true. martha: would you like to tick off a new names for us, tucker? >> those are people who are very close to bill clinton. anybody who is very close on a personal level to bill clinton, give him three beers and ask him what do you think of president obama, he will give you an honest answer, believe me. >> i believe a lot of this is pious baloney. >> it's true and you know it's true. >> look at the people who came out who are now supporting romney, his surrogates hate him, they can't stand him. they are only gathering around him because they hate barack obama more. >> it only makes what i said is

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martha: 23 minutes past the hour. lawyers in the child sex-abuse trial for former penn state coach jerry sandusky wrapping up their jury selection today. a stew study says drinking coffee may delay or prevent alzheimers. people with higher levels of caffeine avoided the on set of the disease. the country has cut funding for a $20 million project to develop a version of sesame street in pakistan. this after the local puppet theater working on the project is accused of corruption in

pakistan. can you believe that? corruption and kermit in the same sentence. bill: who is the guy who came out of the garbage can in the street. martha: that would be oscar the grouch. he was the bill o'reilly of sesame street. bill: true dat. shuttle enterprise now making its final journey to its new home. the shuttle traveling by barge to jersey city. going to be in the space museum docked in new york city. you don't see that every day. laura ingle is there and waiting. can you see her? can you see enterprise? >> reporter: i can't yet bill. we have a great position and our cameras are all over the place here on lower manhattan on the west side of manhattan to bring you all of the excitement here today. it looks like a cruising fish vessel has proved up next to the intrepid or along the intrepid right now. this is where all the action will take place. after three and a half years of

waiting the intrepid museum will get to place host as the space shuttle enterprise on board. it it was hoisted onto a pw-rpblg and began a 50-mile trek along new york water's ways traveling under four bridges. it will spring by the statue of liberty for a fire boat water salute to welcome here. then it will go over and whoever around the world trade center site for a respectful pause to its final destination. you can see all the planes on the flight deck. mike fagan is going to pan down. right there is the beginning of a structure that will be built around it. the big empty space is where we'll see the enterprise be hoisted today. it's going to be a pretty big job, bill. bill: how are they going to do that? that thing is enormous and heavy.

>> it is very heavy. today's lift is really going to be an unbelievable feat of human engineering and of incredible technology all combined. before this wide load barge holding the enterprise gets up here there will be a floating crane that will get in place first. it has a 250-not boom that can lift 500 tons, that is a really big crane. >> you know what this is the first time the shuttle has ever been placed on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier. for our engineers they had to look to every aspect, reengineer some of the flight deck to make sure the weight on wheels was supported at the right level. >> reporter: that crane, pretty famous around these parts, bill that is the same exact crane being used today here for the shuttle that was used with captain sully's plane to get it out of the hudson. bill: that's cool. enjoy that. looking forward to seeing that in the end. i believe we just called bill owe lie lea grouch. martha o'reilly a grouch.

martha: i don't think he wants to be called kermit. bill: maybe he's big bird. around here he's a very big bird. martha: that's true. there is a new shocking report this morning that predicts a grim financial future for our country. the government's own analysis now showing our 15 trillion national debt that people get so upset about could double in 15 years. an expert shows us and tells us what should be done. bill: a huge 3 over lebron james with only seconds left last night. >> he has just enough space -- bill: that seals the sel cell celtics win over miami last night. let me tell you about a very important phone call i made.

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shake out at the hearing. we've learned a lot about the investigation so far. we know that trouble started in late 2011 or early 2012 where jp morgan changed a strategy they started five years earlier. they wanted to protect the economy from losses in a very turbulent time, they started investing bucks in credit derivets teufs. then they changed their strategy so there was less protection, their risk increased and they lost the $2 billion. we heard thomas curry's prepared remarks and he will say that moving forward, quote, our analysis will focus on where breakdowns or failures occurred. his office reportedly had about a hundred regulators inside jpmorgan's headquarters when all this was going down f. there was an issue with oversight his department will likely shoulder some of the blame, martha. martha: does jpmorgan have to

explain that loss to anyone? or will the government sort of be all by themselves out there today. >> reporter: thr-s hearing it's all government with folks from the federal government, the federal reserve. the federal consumer protection bureau. they will all be testifying today. a week from today, next weeks, jpmorgan's cep jaime diamond will be receiving. they are saying today that government regular hraeurts are working with jp morgan to figure out how to manage and derisk the huge portfolio that caused one of the nation's biggest banks $2 billion. martha: by most accounts it was a trading error, which happens, when investment money is put at risk in the market. we'll see what happens, peter doocy, thank you very much. a lot of regulators. bill: breaking news out of los angeles. a sad note here, at the age ever 91 the famed automatic though, ray bradbury has died.

he is best known perhaps for his literature work, fahrenheit 451. many of us red that in our high school days and continue to remember the story, and the views he was trying to express in that novel, which were very interesting about dissension and speech. bradbury later went onto say that he wrote the book to talk about how we read less and watch more tv. ray bradbury, dead at the age of 91 according to his daughter and the "associated press," that news just crossing moments ago. 10:34 now here in negotiate. a dire report about the country's financial future. we share a $15 trillion debt at the moment. according to the congressional budget office the number will double over the next 15 years and grow to twice the size of the entire economy by 2037 unless serious charges are made. we have the former director of the cbo, president of the american action former. doug, welcome back. debt, 16 trillion, at

32 trillion by 2025, is that the courts we ar course we are on. >> this is a vivid reminder of how dangerous things are. the u.s. is paying a debt penalty of slower growth, maybe a percentage point a year, that is about a million jobs. to double that debt is a very dangerous strategy indeed. bill: what a terrible legacy for the generations that follow. how are people addressing that? >> it really is a terrible legacy. the cbo report says it if we continue on this track not just a decade but a little bit further we will have an economy one fifth smaller, less kpha capacity to spend money in the private sector, and less money to boot. we need to get the entitlement programs under control and the spending, and do it quickly. >> 12 years from now debt to

gdp93% in 2022. ten years after that 2032 157%. 2037 spades 200% of gdp. how do you run a country that way? >> you don't. and the cbo says very clearly we are on a course that leads us to a greek-style financial crisis. if we continue down this trajectory interest will soon be the biggest federal spending program, it will be bigger than social security, bigger than medicare or medicaid, so we can't do that. we have to change course and do it quickly. bill: with regard to changing course, we westbound just doing a debate with alan and tucker about what bill clinton said recent leave. you said we need to listen to him in what way? >> the president is exactly right it would be the enormous mistake to allow the bush tax cuts to sunset at the end of this year. the economy is weak and that is a recipe for recession. the tax cuts should be extended for a year.

and we need a far more progrowth period we need afterward we nee. bill: whether you extend them for a year or make them permanent is a significant debate. >> it's obviously a big debate. i think the reality is we need a tax reform. i think they ought to do this before the election. we are going to start to see the negative impact of a looming increase in taxes even before the election and that is a danger we can't afford. bill: do you thiathis congress can do that? are they capable at the moment? >> the only thing we need is for the president to step up and take the leadership on this. all that has topped it so far is the senate, majority leader harlehar harry reid will not take up a bill to extend the tax cuts. if the president said this is information and something we need to do, it would happen. bill: that would be a big cao seaign moment too. five months and counting. doug, thank you we'll speak

dane. martha: let's go back out to the hudson river and check on the space shuttle event per price. look at that beautiful shot by the statue of liberty right now on its way to its final home. the enterprise will make a respectful pause in front of all of this area downtowdo, it will also pce.se for a moment in front of the site of the world trade center. and it continues to move along -- what a beautiful day out there, beautiful boats alongside it. it's going to the intrepid. then they'll lift it up with a imane, which will be an interesting thing to watch. then we can all go watch it. bill: when we saw it fly so many pictures were sent in by viewers of the journey here to new york and flying by the skyscrapers. if you have a photo you report at foxnews.com where they are waiting for you if you want to send in a picture. nice shot. they used to tell you that getting good grades and going tow college, you'd be guaranteed a job. times have changed, oh, man they

have. what millions of students are now facing when they get that degree. martha: check out this video, a real life clark kent turning ctfom mild mannered rkyorter ino superhera: chases down the bad guys, right after this.

. >> the disconnect is when you talk to somebody like carl camden who is the krerbgs o of kelly's services who places people in jobs he says that there is 2.5 to 3 million jobs in the u.s. right now that are open that they can't find candidates for. how do you match up these people? the problem is a lot of these kids that we're seeing coming out of school have liberal arts degrees. they went and studied journalism like us or liberal arts. and it's not math and science. he says when people come out and they are looking for electricians, computer engineers, all the way up to phd sigh even 'tises that there are three job option for every candidate.

martha: that is a serious scenario. the suggestion is that we are produce college tpwrad witnesses that are not skilled, and the recession hangover effect we're mentioning is the 2010 class is out, the 2011 class, now the 2012, they are like bumper cars bumping against haoef each other all wanting the same jobs. >> the unemployment rate is at 12 point 1% for those under 29. the college degrees over age 25 goes to 3.9%. that is up from the 1.8% since before the recession. what we have here is those who are really suffering from the recession are in their early 20s, they are just graduating, and you have to feel sorry for them. they went to school with these big hopes and dreams of what they want to become and now they are having to settle for jobs that they are too good to do. martha: and we have documents that show how much money they

owe. some have equated this to a snow-ballin process. student loans up 66% at graduation. an average tap of 25-plus. they have no job and major student loans to payoff. this is the thing, there are jobs out there, as you were saying, and there's been a lot of discussion about this with the immigration question as well, that people who are skilled for these jobs -- steve jobs talked about this. if we bring in people that are highly technically skilled we ought to find a way for them to stay here. >> they say a lot of people come into this country and they go to school and get their phd from stanford and elsewhere and learn all the skills for jobs that we need then we send them oversee overseas and we still don't have people to fill the jobs. i have two sons of my own. they love math and science, great, do it. they love computers, great.

focus on that, dig in. as a parent you can encourage your children to number one pursue something practical. math and sciences, computers, engineers -- martha: are you telling me that that political science degree is really not that marketable? >> economics, maybe. martha: liberal arts colleges prepare kids for a wide variety of skills, communication is one of them we hope. but you're right, the math and science is where it's at. >> if you go back to the student loan point that you were making about the debt that is out there. this is where it's going to affect all americans. if this continues, the amount of debt continues and they cannot pay for it and they cannot find employment, this will end up being a burden to the taxpayers, and taxpayers will end up paying. martha: then they can't pay for an apartment. you guys are dress ned dressed in a sunny way. other than that graduate with a math or science degree.

bill: jon scott is hanging out waiting for "happening now" in about 12 minutes. jon: i'm feeling like i should go get a college degree again. big news out of wisconsin today where governor scott walker won the historic recall election last night. we are still digesting what last night's races tell us about what is coming up in november, plus speaking of november, former president bill clinton making more news today and not in a way that president obama's re-election team is likely to be thrilled about. we'll take a closer look at bill clinton's efforts on behalf of the white house. is he helping? and also big news for hundreds of thousands of americans who take a daily aspirin, a note of caution to share with you. "happening now." bill. bill: that is interesting information on that aspirin too. contrary i would argue. see you at the top of the hour. police in a hot chase after this bank robbery. they stopped every car and put every adult in handcuffs. was that a bit too much? the judge is next. >> did they actually pull you

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bill: they say time was not on their side so they had to act. police in colorado had to make a snap decision. they put in hapb cuffs every adult in the cars at an intersection. the police had no description of a suspect that just robbed a bank. and by stopping everyone they did not discriminate. >> my understanding of the description of how we handled the tactics at the scene is that it was extremely well done. the law is clear that investigative detentions are lawful, for a reasonable period of time. bill: the law is clear. is it in tell that to the judge, andrew napolitano. the claw is clear you can pull

people over, search them, put them in handcuffs, what is up. >> the government requires what is called arcti articulabe suspicion. you can't be stopped because of your race, gender, or what you're doing. you can only be stopped if the police can articulate some suspicion about you and that can only be a brief period of time in public when they ask you questions and they give you answers. this was not a stop, these were arrests. an arrest is defined as using a restraint or force to keep someone against their will. pulling people out of their cars and putting handcuffs on them is beyond a temporary stop, it's an arrest. bill: you're saying it was not justified then. >> it wasn't justified under the federal constitution, under the federal law, under the colorado constitution or colorado law. bill: they screwed up. >> they did and it will cost them a great team of money if these people file lawsuits. they have to file the

constitution. i realize they were under pressure, a madman was lose, he had just robbed a bank, had a gun in his hands and was probably willing to use a gun. we are a society of laws and they have to follow the laws that regulate them when they protect our freedom and our safety and they didn't do it. bill: makes you wonder what else they are doing. come on, you pull somebody over, you search their car, put them in handcuffs, if there were children i guess they were standing on the side of the road. that's ridiculous and heavy handed. >> they created a very, very dangerous situation, because among the people they stopped was the bad guy, so he now had as targets 30 or 40 innocent people sitting on the side of the road handcuffed, unable to leave, unable to hide, unable to elude him, handcuffed because the police put them there. this was an outrageous violation of constitutional rights, federal law and state law. bill: i think they stopped 19 scars in total, and it was the 19th car where they found the guy. so in the end they got their money, but to what end is

something that is debatable. >> we fought wars against governments have who arrested groups of people until they got their person. we don't do that in america. bill: we'll see if there is any more fallout from this. you have a great day. >> you too, bill. bill: happy birthday. >> did have you to say that? bill: to the judge. >> at my age you don't want to think about birthdays. bill: 29 again, blowout a candle. martha: happy birthday to the judge. >> god love you. martha: a verdict came down just moments ago in a landmark legal case, a teenager accused of causing a deadly car crash while texting. a huge issue in this country right now and that's coming up. ♪ we all need it. to move. to keep warm. to keep us fed.

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