>> who knew? >> i am getting you off that show. i am going to stop this from happening. >> he hates america. >> i love america. i love you, america. nonetheless. >> laura: the o'reilly factor is on tonight. >> we produced 7600. >> look, i don't want to hear about the 7600. >> chairman i would beg to allow -- >> -- the lady is out of order. >> attorney general eric holder under fire today over the botched fast and furious mexican gun walking sting. what did the attorney general know? when did he know it? how much trouble is he in and and should he be worried? >> i'm pretty calm. i'm okay. >> you supported hillary clinton strongly. >> sure. do you think we would have been in a different place if she had been elected. >> i think she would have come in with a lot more experience. >> democrats in disarray even as president obama raises massive amounts of money. some are questioning his leadership. >> we all know who barack obama is don't we?

we all know what barack obama stands for. >> >> laura: and michelle obama aggressively hitting the campaign trail. >> is this a sign that the obama campaign is on the ropes? we'll debate it. caution, you where to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. >> laura: hi, everyone, i'm laura ingraham in tonight for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us. right to the top story. fireworks on capitol hill as attorney general eric holder was once again pummeled with questions of the house judiciary committee over the justice department's now infamous fast and furious operation. what was intended to be a sting operation set up to track illegal gun purchases from the united states to mexico led to the thousands of

walked with at least one killing a u.s. agent named brian terry. now, holder's story story about the operation has changed overtime things got even murkier? >> have you and your attorneys responsive to the subpoenas. >> we believe mr. attorney general, you are not a good witness. a good witness answers the question asked. so let's go back again. >> we produced 7600. >> look, i don't want to hear about the 7600. >> chairman, i would beg to allow. >> the lady is out of order. would the lady please -- this is my time. >> excuse me, mr. chairman, i would beg to allow the attorney general to be able to finish the answer. >> isn't it true, mr. attorney general, that you have not produced a log of materials withheld even though our investigators have asked for it? >> i know that -- i'm not sure about that i know that -- >> -- okay i'm sure you didn't so let's move on.

>> with all due respect to chairman issa, he says there is hostility between us, i don't feel that. you know, i understand is he asking questions. i'm trying to respond as best i can i'm not feeling hostile at all. i'm pretty calm. i'm okay. >> the question is is is the country okay? when pressed by congressman randy forbes. holder admitted that the white house has assisted in the crafting of the department of justice's response to congress on fast and furious. so they are talking to one another about how to best respond. katie pavlick author of the book fast and furious former special counsel for the house judiciary committee. okay. both of you, this was pretty hot on capitol hill. and, john, you were up there on the hill not so long ago and this was the eighth appearance by eric holder on the fast and furious scandal your reaction to the clip you just heard and then the revelation that the white house is working with the

justice department to craft the response in congress? >> well, you know, poor workman blames his tools. i'm afraid that the chairman didn't right a very good subpoena to begin with after he he received 7600 documents. so it's very hard for him to frame what he didn't get when he is asking for two years of memos to the attorney general, for instance. so i thought he lost i hate to say it this way. it's like a hack politician questioning an experienced trial attorney and the two of them were in different spears and one of the member of congress had to try to say to the chairman look, this is not the way do you business. as for the white house crafting a message. it was a national question about, you know, guns being lost. uncontrolled going to drug dealers. >> the problem with the white house helping them is that holder could not answer simple questions about what the white house knew and whether anyone at justice had had conversations about the actual operation of fast and furious. so we don't know whether they

have talked. but the white house is helping craft a message? why would they help craft a message then. >> here is a problem we both have. they don't ask a question. they make statements. for instance, if you ask a question you have given us information on a, about. , and c as opposed to have you answered my subpoenas in december for 22 areas which were poorly written, i'm not even sure a lawyer wrote them. then you would know something. the problem with this entire investigation has been amateurism. >> laura: at the justice department. we have a dead agent. >> a dead agent doesn't mean they are any good at it why have rifles ended up killing brian terry found at the scene. >> absolutely who made the wrong decision. >> they don't know because they are not giving us the information. >> not asking the questions correctly. >> my counter part says the oversight committee and chairman issa in particular not asking the right questions. i don't know what's hard about answering the question what did you know and when did you

know it? who in your justice department at a n. a senior level knew what they knew about fast and furious and when in the hearing today on capitol hill which i attended came after this week congressman issa sent a letter to two attorney general eric holder saying, look, i have seen six wiretap applications. each with an attachment from your assistant attorney general lanny brewer with a approval of those. and anyone who knows about the wiretap process knows when you submit an application for a wiretap you submit details, excruciating details about the case. assistant attorney general lanny brewer committed that he knew about gun locking tactics after he submitted a false letter to congress about denying the tactics in the first place and saying this is a localized program. today holder did nothing but office on skate and push us back to the level i don't know anything. i don't read my memos and my senior officials don't read theirs either. >> laura: there was internal email they discussed john at

one point. this is getting into the actual evidence or documents in the case. >> that would be encouraging. >> laura: one of the internal emails by this guy james trusty inside the justice department they referred to f and f in the email. this was back in the fall of 2010. and they were saying well, it's not a big surprise that a bunch of u.s. guns were being used in mexico so i'm not sure how much grief we're going to get for gun walking. eric holder when asked about this said that f and f did not refer to fast and furious. correct me if i am wrong, katy, because you there were and i wasn't. does not stretch the bounds of logical thinking? that doesn't mean -- >> -- right this question is for me. no, no, this question was for me, laura directed that question to me. >> laura: two of the officials at the justice department. >> the attorney general is part of the problem here the objective of the hearing. >> laura: katy, go ahead. >> this was email from the deputy assistant attorney general jason weinstein discussing fast and furious. not only did it say f and f,

laura. it said the words fast and furious. whether wrote assistant attorney general lanny brewer into the press side of things. mind you that was in october of 2010. there were six wiretaps in may. june. july, august, and september of 2010 with lanny brewer's approval on them. so for him to say that and for attorney general eric holder to say that his assistant attorney general didn't know about gun walking tactics up to that point is a lie. >> i don't know that it's a lie. the question should be put to mr. brewer. i mean, you and i have experience in this. we asked the principle. you, mr. brewer, -- did you receive this email? what did you. >> laura: john, it pains me -- you are a smart guy. what i know about you. >> and you are a smart lady. >> laura: knowing what i know about you. if you were running the justice department. if you were attorney general and this happened starting in the fall of 2009, under your watch, this happened, i would be lived.

i would find out who authorized it i agree with that. by now he should know something, right? >> i agree with that if i was the attorney general, i would have now -- whether i saw them or not, i would have reviewed all the applications and all the reports and i would have had everybody in the carpet in my office. i agree with you that appearing on the hill without doing that is a way. >> laura: why would he appear on the hill without doing that? >> to avoid knowing. and that's not acceptable. right? >> we don't play dumb on the o'reilly factor. katy, thanks for being there today. insight. we appreciate it next on the run down, more democrats take digs at barack obama? how much is that going to hurt him? we're going to talk to some insiders. believe it or not, planned parenthood is now running a clinic in a public high school. we're going to debate the wisdom of that up ahead. with the capital one cash rewards card

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>> might be some disarray in the democratic ranks. it started, of course, with bill clinton making a number of remarks undermining president obama. and now some other die hard dems are getting in on the act. >> you supported hillary

clinton strongly. >> sure. >> do you think we would have been in a different place had she been elected. >> i think she would have come in with a lot more executive experience. i think the president was hurt by being a legislature only. for example healthcare and stimulus two bills that i think did good things for the american people. too much of it was left up to the congress. here is my concept. you flesh it out. hillary clinton would have sent them a bill and said here is what i want. >> laura: ouch that hurts in the hope and change. president obama is also taking heat for the big defeat in the wisconsin recall election. >> tom barrett. barrett was the mayor of milwaukee. he came out in the primaries endorsed then senator obama against senator clinton. he also owes it to himself and to everybody else he is going to have to deal with. this was a mistake. i have to say. the president should have been out there. i don't think it would have made the difference, okay? let me be clear about that. >> joining us now from chicago, dick harr -- harr boot alan.

here in the studio is fox news political analyst kirsten powers. this is fun season in politics, kirsten, get all the ghosts from the past come back like bill clinton and so forth. bagala. isn't someone like a rendell kind of smart? he comes out and he assesses the situation as it is. and a lot of republicans, let's face it, back in 2005 when bush seemed like he was spending too much money and things were falling apart. republics were loathed to criticize president bush. they put all their eggs his basket and republicans got wiped out as a result in 2008, 2006 as well. isn't it kind of smart for the democrats to say okay, don't judge all of us based on how this guy does? >> well, i think that the three people that you just showed have in common, of course, is that they love hillary clinton. and so it's not to me terribly surprising when i see them come out and be critical of president obama. that doesn't mean they are not making valid criticisms but i think that we can sort of put

it over in that category of hillary lovers who feel comfortable criticizing the president. the things that i think are harmful are the bain attacks. so i put them in a different category than criticizing wisconsin and that kind of stuff. the bain attacks are central to what obama is trying to do with romney to go after him. when you have people like cory booker come out and undermine that, that's a little more serious. >> laura: what do you think about, this dick? because because, again, i'm looking at this and thinking well, the hillary point that kirsten made is correct. looking at how things have played out. not whether obama is a nice guy or nice family how things have played out. wouldn't it have been smartner retrospect to pick someone in 2008 with that huge opportunity democrats had a lot of executive experience that lived in the real midwest, arkansas. understood congress. understood washington and knew how to work with people? and that was hillary clinton. barack obama didn't have any of that experience and, frankly, it is showing. >> i'm sorry, the last time

hillary clinton put forward as governor rendell talked about a legislative proposal on health care, now, whens that that? what, '93, 94? what happened in 94 as a result of the clinton push on healthcare, number one, it didn't pass and, number two, every democrat in this country got massacred in the republic revolution. so, governor rendell makes a good point. she did have, i'm not sure what her executive experience was other than being a legislature just like barack obama. however, i think -- getting in this i didn't think -- ying and yang is wrong. what we have are peoplenned aagree perhaps valid criticisms when the republicans don't do. more importantly, this coming today. i'm hearing optimism, seeing states gel and by the way if you looked at the exit polls in the wisconsin special election, many of the people

that voted for in recall said they would vote for barack obama and he clearly beat romney in the exit polls and we'll -- will take wisconsin. this is a silly season. focusing on wisconsin or focusing on what ed rendell says. >> laura: let me tell you what someone who is not a democrat but well respected mark happen happen -- halperin "time" magazine not just republicans who think that barack obama can lose. democrats amongst themselves are speaking that he he has interviewed says they are worried now. they are worried he is off with celebrities. is he talking today in las vegas by the way about how republics are sitting on their hands in congress they are not doing anything. last night he is with ellen the god bless ellen. not exactly working on capitol hill how to economy with republicans and democrats. >> the fact the democrats ever weren't worried is -- that's problematic, number. >> laura: they were feeling

pretty heavy. >> it this is going to be a close election. i would still put my money on barack obama. you should still be concerned. if you look at the economy and the other factors. it's true that democrats are getting frustrated, i think because of a lack of a message that they keep jumping from is he a flip flopper, no he is not a flip flopper. he is an extremist. no he is vulture capitalist and vampire. keep jumping around to different things. there is a feeling of what's the plan here? >> laura: dick, blaming europe today. blaming the global so he down. blaming the g.o.p. in congress. at some point you have to deal with the world as it is, right, dick? >> we have a republic controlled house but we have democrats in the senate and as president, your job isn't just to say here is my to do list, do it. your job is to see to it that things get done as a leader. not as a lecturer and chief or lecturer in chief. as a leader. that's what he has to do whether he wins or not. >> i think a couple things are going to gel here probably after september 1st. after both the conventions.

the first thing is people are going to compare the two. and they are going to compare shop. you guy a guy mitt romney governor by the way in my state, that's why they voted for that he was pro-choice. that he was pro-civil union. that he ran up a huge deficit. >> laura: you are avoiding the question. barack obama. >> no, no, no, no. >> laura: barack obama is not leading. democrats according to these new analyses. democrats are worried is he not doing his job here in washington. >> no, no, no. 27 straight months of economic growth. sure. we want it to be better. that you can't. you can't make he is leading. you can't make chicken salad out of chicken do do. >> leading in beverly hills, leading in san francisco. >> absolutely. >> leading on broadway?

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>> laura: in the factor investigation segment tonight, bipartisan outrage over recent leaks of classified national security information. today republic and democratic leaders of the house and senate intelligence committees blasted the state of leaks

cyber war war program to the recent report on president obama's so-called kill list of alleged terrorists? >> this has to stop. when people don't want to work with the united states because they can't strus us to keep a secret, that's serious. when allies become concerned. when an asset's life is in jeopardy or the asset's family's life is in jeopardy that's a problem. the point of intelligence is to be able to know what might happen to protect this country. and we can't do that. if the intelligence is no longer kept with strict scrutiny in the number of people that need to have it. >> senator john mccain yesterday white house spokesman jay carney pushed back saying quote any suggestion that this administration has authorized intentional leaks of

classified infoe irresponsible closed quote. with us now mike rogers of chairman of the house committee. great to see you. >> great to see you. >> laura: i was thinking what i would do if i were eric holder and the fast and furious thing. i would be lived. call people on the carpet. information leaking out of the government. i haven't heard one statement from this president expressing outrage and anger frankly that this could happen in his ranks. where is it? >> i don't know. and i hope we see that. i think this is important. one of the things we tried to do today in a bipartisan way, which i think says a lot, whether you have senator feinstein congressman rogers. >> she was terrific. >> she was great. we have worked together well on national security issues. and this is the issue raised to the level to get all four of us, the saxby chambliss, ranking member, republic. the democrat. all of us saying hey, this has risen to a level that has been unprecedented dangerous to the

national security of the united states. things that could be done. thinking of new legislative measures. expanding the people inside of government very complex but tough policy graph tests; is that right? expanding people and intelligence pole graph. >> two things we have to do we decided today prospective problems. we need to be able to shut this off. give tools to the intelligence community to be very tough with individuals that they even suspect may be leaking. >> that means ongoing pole graphs. every three months, four months, five months? >> or if we need to give them the authority if they want to poll someone and give them a pole graph. >> laura: at any point in time. >> remember these clearances don't belong though those individuals. they belong to the people of the united states. and we should let them understand that you don't have to have a clearance if you can't keep your mouth shut. >> i want to bring up something that happened now over a year ago that was when

the news of the bin laden killing happened. do you remember it was that monday after he was killed by seal team 6 and we had the counter terrorism chief. i think it was john brennan came out and he spoke to the public, talked about the president's move. gutsy move. and then you had had the defense secretary i think it was gates at the time came out and said. we discussed about we do not want operational details of this operation leaked out and ited. he was angry. that was the only time i seen the administration really express specific outrage over this happening. and that was about the bin laden killing. >> it was a little frustrating as the chairman and ranking member we were brought n january. the raid was in may to go through the operational details. it was decided that no operational details would be discussed. shock to us all that there was not just a release but a press conference. some of it was inaccurate. it was -- >> laura: his wife ducked

behind the corner. why going into that detail? >> that's. >> laura: to burnish the president's international security credentials? that's what the pundit in me think? that's what the cynic in me. porter goss cia director on radio show last week and he essentially said has to be done for political reasons. why else would do you it? >> i will tell you this. that i did a preliminary review on the leaks that came from the yemeni bombing case. very devastating leaks. >> this was the underwear bomber? >> underwear bomber. >> there was information disclosed not healthy for future investigations. we decided that we better take a preliminary committee. i sent investigators out and what we found unfortunately was there was this pattern of release of information that is incredibly dangerous and some of it is wrong and some of it is not right. some of it is very sensitive. and that information is working against the national security interest of the united states. so, i have come to the conclusion we -- this has to

be. >> laura: this is not a political issue. >> it's a criminal issue. >> laura: lives are at stake not just those helping us abroad but american lives. if we are not able to stop another attack. >> faith the work they do is kept confidential, secret. so we can continue to do the work that they do, number one. so i have -- it has to be -- this should really be a bipartisan effort. >> laura: do you think in your heart of hearts there was a political motivation and leaking of some of this operational detail operation? >> i think the investigation should be conducted in a way that it follows its logical course. >> laura: all the details seem to help the administration. make them look tough. >> bipartisan on nonpartisan investigator that has all the access to all the individuals. >> laura: nancy pelosi mocks those who believe that she says anyone who believes that is basically saying dangerous things. >> that's what i mean. there is politics on that side, too. i think we have to get this right and if somebody has committed a crime. i don't think where they

serve. >> we can find out who did it. >> congressman mike rogers. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. obama campaign deploying heavy fire power first lady michelle obama. is this good strategy or will there be a backlash? we'll have a debate. l.a. outrage as public high school teams one planned parenthood to run a clinic on campus. terrific. we hope you stay tuned to those reports.

>> laura: in the personal story segment tonight, the obama campaign unleashing the big guns to rangel vote michelle her husband's re-election campaign. >> when it comes time to stand up for american workers and american families, you know what your president is going to do, right? >> yeah. >> when there is a choice between protecting our rights and our freedoms, you know where barack obama stands?

from now until november, barack needs all of to get out there and tell everyone you know about our values. >> i hope that parents will takes in the which companies like disney do the rit thing for our kids. >> and the number one fun fact about gardening. >> with enough care and effort, you can grow your own baracoli. >> now we need to grow our own jobs really matter to voters when they enter the voting booth in november? and joining us now ford o'connell a republic strategist and from new york tara dowdell is a democratic strategist. michelle obama is popular, her favorability ratings are high. she is glamorous, beautiful, great mom. this is a problem for republicans, no? >> no, it's not going to be a

problem for for republicans. we don't really know what's going to happen. romney closing the gap in the polls. closing with fundraising. trying to take someone out throw the kitchen sink strategy and try to maintain where they are right now. because they are in trouble and they know it they don't have a credible jobs plan the. they have mawddled message. it's really that simple. >> laura: bottom line fun and cool as michelle is people aren't voting fun and cool. >> they are voting on whether or not they are going to eat and whether or not they have a job. >> let's go to you, terror. now, the fact is michelle obama very high favorability. she is very well liked. when people vote in november. they are not voting for the person who might be a great talk show host herself some day and who dances well with alan or who hangs out with david letterman. they are voting for the country's future, right? >> well, certainly people are voting for the best candidate. whoever they think is going to be the best candidate with that being said not just about

her going on different talk shows. she is a smart and successful and savvy and was so even before the president took office. and so she is an asset to him. she enjoys as you mentioned high favorability ratings. but at the end of the day yes, ultimately this will be a choice between mitt romney and president barack obama. >> well, how high are the favorability ratings going to stay for though when she starts getting political? >> well, the question. >> laura: starts talking about marriage, whether it's same sex marriage or she starts talking about obama care which is very unpopular. if i'm michelle obama i think i have got to support my husband. but favorability rating. >> high 60's right now. if she gets off message or hits the wrong note. >> she gets political. >> she gets political but job is two-fold. job is to fire up the base because democrats are worried that president obama is going to throw them under the bus like they did in milwaukee. >> numbers in women are going up. >> we know that now they want to try to get independent

women away from mitt romney. good luck because, guess what, it's going to be the economy. it's all that matters. >> laura: tara, the fancht for romney among women has gone up. gallup's new poll out showing that while obama no doubt still leads among women, the gap is narrowing. obama lost ground among women. meanwhile mitt romney has gained. this after the war on women narrative. this after pounding the table about how mitt romney wants to hold women back, they're grandstanding on so-called paycheck fairness. none of it has worked because people are really worried that we are losing this country. that we're loading our dominance in the world. our dominant economic position. our dominant military position. and frightened that we have someone in charge now who might be a great guy and a great campaigner but he is not a great chief executive. >> right wing talking points against. >> laura: that happened to be the truth. also right wing talking points. >> reality is that we have created 4.3 million jobs. is that enough?

>> laura: that's not a democratic talking point. >> don't have job. >> is that a democrat talking point? i just want to establish that go ahead. >> 4.3 million jobs. that can be verified by adp. that can be verified by adp. it can be verified by -- >> laura: how many people have left the workforce. >> a lot of people have left the workforce. >> what did the cbo say two days ago about the debt bomb that's going to go off in the future. >> that's republicans create. >> laura: what? >> that the republicans help to create. >> tara, do you not agree. >> laura: one at a time, go ahead. >> have you been overtalking me if i can have an opportunity to present. >> do you not agree. incredible this is a giving president trying to rely on gimmick 3.75 million jobs right now. workforce training in order to ensure that americans take those jobs? and that -- al awlaki and that

the republics are blocking that plan? >> but. [talking at the same time >> laura: i would like for the republicans to be in charge of everything but they are not. we have to work with the republicans and the democrats. >> but you are not. the problem is you are not. >> work with us when you controlled both chambers of commerce and you had the president, right? >> laura: we are out of time, unfortunately. fun conversation. up next, most controversial segment believe it or not of the evening. l.a. public high school joins forces with planned parenthood offering an on-campus clinic. students can visit without parents' permission. then, some new jersey muslims suing the new york city police department over a fine program. will their civil rights be vindicated moments away. how much coffee are you fellows going to need today?

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>> laura: thanks for staying with us, i'm laura ingraham in for bill o'reilly. in the unresolved problem segment tonight, a shocker out of los angeles. the abortion provider planned parenthood has joined forces with the l.a. unified school district to run a clinic out of a public high school. now, while this clinic doesn't perform abortions, it does offer emergency contraception, otherwise known as the morning after pill, pregnancy tests and counseling and screening for std's. we would like it know if they are referring kids to nearby planned parenthood clinics for abortions. the kids who use the services do not have to tell their parents. joining us now from chicago. dr. laura behrman, sexuality and relationship expert. dr. behrman, there is a lot going on in this case here. we have planned parenthood, which gets $500 million from the u.s. taxpayers. now setting up shop in a high school. now, what is your take on planned parenthood not having

to alert parents of these teenagers, about the prescribing of abort fascia drugs and contraceptive pills. >> here's the deal. in california this is legal. you don't need parental consent to get birth control or to get std test iting and that's a problem. >> laura: lauer, here is the problem and you are absolutely right about that but there is a law on the books in california that says a school district may assist with administration of medication to any child. but the required to get a doctor's prescription for this. and parents permission must be given for something even like an aspirin. so this has to be brought to the parent's attention. i think that's one problem that people are going to have with this. the other problem is schools are already. overloaded with burdens having to teach dealing with kids all

different languages now we have a clinic at schools to do what, exactly? to basically protect these children. here's the deal. that we have the highest teen pregnancy rate of any industrialized nation. epidemic proportions. nine million teenagers contracted an std every single year. four out of 10 teenage girls get pregnant before the age of 20. and in the latino community with latinos which is where the school is. 52% of latino girls get pregnant before age 20. this is a huge huge health issue. providing these children with deeply needed education. obviously parents should be the prove immarry sex educators of their children. >> but they are not. no, no, no. this school is not a health

clinic. school is a school. >> pharmacy and the health clinic. this is separate from the nurse's office, laura. the nurse's office has nothing to do with planned parenthood, the nation's largest abortion provider setting up shop in a school and how do we know in this case that when a kid comes in what happened if i get pregnant how do we know that planned parenthood is not referring these same children down the road to a planned parent hood clinic 300 bucks to get an abortion. >> maybe they are. the deal is abortion is legal in this country. however you feel about it. whatever our moral feelings are and ethical feelings are about abortion. >> laura: follow the money. >> if you don't want abortion to happen, go out and vote. this is legal in our country right now. >> laura: dr. behrman you would admit that abstinence is the only way to stop pregnancies and std's, right? the only guaranteed way? abstinence only education does

not work. it has to be abstinence based. >> isn't working either. >> planned hood. because we have had an administration which is required abstinence only education. now we finally have shifted gears. what plan the parent hoods does. >> laura: what about a chastity counseling service, can they try it. >> try it that's what's been happening in the past administration for 8 years. that didn't work. that's what abstinence only is it's chastity clinic it didn't work. planned parenthood does is what works. we know that statistically. >> laura: they make a lot of money off of one thing i know that dr. berman appreciate it

>> laura: in the back of the book segment tonight, a muslim advocacy group with strong ties to the obama administration is now suing the nypd over its spy program. the new york city police launched the undercover spy operation after 9/11 targeting muslims in new york, new jersey, and connecticut. yesterday, 8 new jersey muslims filed a federal lawsuit directly challenging that program. >> to find out that the new york police department actually took photographs of our mothers, our children, and those individuals that come into our businesses has created an atmosphere where there is certainly an undue suspicion that has been cast upon the entire muslim community. >> laura: joining us now from chicago is the director of the chicago chapter of the council on american islamic relations. ahmed, it's great to see you. this is a sensitive topic for, i understand, muslims and also for non-muslims in america

given what happened on 9/11. given what we have tried to avert in the way of other terror attacks, i know you are familiar with the attempt to blow up the new york city subway where we found out, of course, after our investigation that a queen's imam was tied to that plot and where the would-be terrorist met outside that mosque. that was the focal point of their meetings and plot to blow up the new york subway system. given that background and i have just touched the surface of it why if you are an american muslim, law abiding people as most overwhelmingly are. why would you be upset about what the nypd is doing? >> precisely because we are overwhelmingly law abiding. it does not make sense. first of all this program is unconstitutional and unmeasure. essentially the pilgrims crossed an ocean to avoid this kind of religious harassment as one of the plaintiffs actually said. you know, this program was

targeting individuals and essentially tire community, restaurants, businesses, mosques, cab drivers, veterans, school groups, they weren't going after criminal leads as law enforcement ought to do or after suspicious leads but rather entire community based solely on the religious affiliation and political opinions. >> do you believe there is a compelling state interest in protecting the security of the united states of america? absolutely. i believe this is not the way it should be done. >> so when we know for a fact that whether we're talking about the men who plotted to blow up fort dix in new jersey, the new york city subway plotters. the would be terrorists who met at the albany mosque several years ago, the fact that we know that al qaeda and al qaeda's affiliates used the platform of the mosque to recruit and to radicalize and to gain adherence and supporters and sometimes money by the way. those cases are well-documented that the nypd

should just say okay, mosques are off limits? >> no. they should say that where there is is a criminal lead that particular institution we can obtain a warrant and can serve it or wiretap it or do what's negligence to keep americans safe. we know for a fact as you used the word fact. the fact is the overwhelming majority of muslims in this country are law abiding. the fact is muslims have been at the forefront of helping law enforcement abort and avoid terror plots in new york and new jersey and elsewhere around the country, and we ought to look at the muslim community as a partner. we cannot extend a handout to say you are a partner at the same time with the other hand be wiretapping or surveying or having illegal spying activity. you lose trust. >> with all due respect you don't determine whether something is illegal. i don't determine whether something is illegal or unconstitutional a court of law does. a judge will determine with great care. given what's at stake in our country.

i think a judge will determine, i hope with great care what is and what is not constitutional. >> that's precisely what this lawsuit is about. that's why there is a lawsuit. because the lawsuit is trying to get that question answered by, you know a court judge. it's not up to fox news or to ahmed or to cair to determine that question. that's precisely why this lawsuit is merited. >> laura: we all have a vest interest in keeping this country safe muslims and non-muslims alike. we appreciate it very much. pinheads and patriots are on deck, starring the president, governor romney and biggest country stars in the business. p and p just over two minutes