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>> and he found it was botched and everyone agrees was botched and employed a flawed tactic and it made that choice rather than focusing on jobs and the economy with millions of americans still struggling to pay their bills, i cannot imagine this will sit well. >> polls show americans opposed. is that a good strategy? >> look. this white house is doing everything it can to turn everything into politics so it doesn't have to talk about jobs, economy, deficit, debt, spending. if the president did not want to have an extended dialogue he should have surrendered to the house oversight committee. the documents inside of the department of justice, you know, look, he's right. this is taking a year because the justice department is

stone walled. if everybody agrees it's botched the american people deserve who botched it and find out if people are held accountable, no one lost a job or been held responsible or said who did this? why? and we've never gotten the truth about whether or not the attorney general knew about this or when he knew bit o or did someone in the office know about it? and to let this pass. and there is something worthy of congressional review. if the administration wants to stone wall that, it's going to have to pay a price. >> the parents of brian kerry was -- they feel they're being lied to. they want answers. republican national committee came out with an ad dealing with executive privilege. i think it's a powerful ad. i want to get your reaction.

>> i want to say it simply. transparency will be the touch stones of this administration. the fact you have the legal to do something secret does not mean you should always use it president obama under fire for evoking presidential privilege. >> new questions about what the white house knew, and when. >> do you favor executive privilege? >> it's a tendency to hide behind executive privilege. >> this administration would be best served by coming clean on this. >> words coming back to bite you. and that happened a lot with this. and saying it was unpatriotic. the president unamerican and trying to raise the debt ceiling. now, he's had to do it far

more often. and let's go back to this. this is an extension normally reserved fr interaction with the president, who has said nobody at the white house knew about it. now, he's exerting executive privilege over activities and papers at a cabinet department. this is pretty big stretch for executive privilege. if the president was not privy to these discussions why is he exerting a privilege that is rarely and only with great selecting offered to the president of the united states? i think it's because of politics. he'd rather be talking about this than the lousy economy. and he'd rather have a fight to depict americans which think he's out of touch. >> and add to this this

contempo going to take place tomorrow. democrats are go to be voting as well. it's going to be bipartisan here, it seems, this, now is going to result in, they now have the right to move forward with an investigation into this. seems like it's going to go on for a long time. let me ask you about the ruling of the supreme court. nobody know what's it's going to be. i would expect the mandate is struck down and this is maybe the law completely. it seems they're preparing to spin this. and let me see this f.this works. >> and this is a individual mandate adopted by many republican leaders in the 90s and adopted by the republican governor of massachusetts. while the president opposed it in the campaign, the -- in the

process of crafting a health care reform bill was persuaded by experts in the field it was the best and most efficient way to ensure we can bring a large number of people into and under coverage. >> this is the republicans did this. is that going to fly? >> republicans made me do it. >> it's the president's bill. it's the president's bill. now, carney is right. the president, as a candidate over the so called individual management. then he got into office flip flopped and made it the center piece of his health care reform. this white house is so bereft of integrity they have to blame everything on everybody else. and why don't they man up and

that it's president obama's decision i think it's going to go down in the supreme court tomorrow, instead, just weeks ago we had the president up there and the supreme court got ready to consider a decision, the president went to the rose garden and took a two by four to the supreme court and said it would be unprecedent fd they overturn his law, now saying it's the republican's idea. not obama's this, is just pathetic. >> i contend and that what this president is doing when laws are passed by congress, defense of marriage act or immigration laws signed into law, we have something that this country is known as operations -- separation of powers and the constitution. so the president decides these laws -- he doesn't like them and admitted he didn't have power to do this up until a week ago, he decides he's not going to enforce immigration

law. what would happen if george w. bush said i don't like the decision of congress or law on capitol gains i'm not going to enforce the law on capitol gains, people won't be punished if they break the law. and don't pay their capital gains tax. what would happen if it was a republican doing this? >> all heck would break loose. there is a lack of respect for constitutional prerogatives of the legislature and apalling disregard for constitution of limitations. can you imagine if george bush said i'm going to declare a certain people group of people are exempt from the laws of the united states? i'm simp thet wrik to the law of the president's policy but he has no authority to do that. it undermines rule of law when the president takes unto himself power chz he arguably he didn't have. there are discussions over per

yog tiffs of the president, when you do something -- where is the statutory authority giving the president saying i will exempt a class of people 16-30 who feet meet the following criteria they're exempt from a statute signed by a previous president? i don't find the authority to do that. it's deeply troubling when he does that kind of thing. >> to me, it's lawless. we're going to watch that as well, karl rove, stay there. he's sticking around. a first time exclusive on "hannity". we're going to have an opportunity to talk to frank luntz and his focus group voters and coming up a hidden camera investigation on the arizona-mexico border you cannot afford to miss, you'll see it tonight on "hannity". hey. hey eddie. i brought your stuff. you don't have to do this.

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obamacare raise your hands. only a small percentage. who are the ones that oppose obamacare. >> i don't like how complex it is. i don't like the individual mandate part of it. i do like the insurance reform. >> tell me why. >> tell me why. >> because i don't like the government is going to tell us what we have to buy. they are going to try to mandate who we go to and what kind of treatment we get. >> one more obama person who is against obamacare? >> i don't like the mandate telling me what i have to buy. >> go ahead. >> cost control. it just spirals at the expense of healthcare and doesn't really fix the system. >> you are nodding your head. tell me why. >> i think he's right exactly. >> so is there any compromise or should we start from scratch? >> scratch. >> why scratch? you really want to start all over again? >> i'm a physician. nobody asked physicians how to

fix healthcare. i can give you five answers right offer the top of my head that would bring down costs and bring you better patient care and calltism it's bad for patients, it's bad for hospitals, it's bad for my profession. >> you are a physician and nobody asked you? >> no. >> i have general understanding wrong with my wrist, can you take a look? why start from scratch? >> because there's nothing in there for healthcare. >> scratch? >> because i think it's a disgrace. >> as a nurse why is it a disimmigration. >> it's not focusing to the the patients at all. other than the military that the government has their hands are ends up being in efficient and not cost effective. >> i have to agree the problem with the bill as it is it doesn't fix the core problems. >> what's the core problems. >> the fact that it's a bottom less pit. you can poor money into it and it won't improve healthcare. it doesn't deal with tort form. it doesn't deal with the cost of

drugs and bringing drugs to market. it doesn't deal with patient access in a real way. >> so sean, what is interesting about this is that you've got a whole lot of obama people, and nationwide 39% of americans support the legislation, 55% oppose. those numbers have barely changed in the last two years, and even our healthcare professionals here are saying don't do this, we need a change. >> frank, let me ask the group. of all the people that voted for obama, you said two-thirds of them did, how many of them that voted for obama are going to vote to re-elect him and how many are going to look to governor romney? i would be very curious. >> okay. let me ask you, how many of you who voted for obama are switching sides to vote for mitt romney? one, two, three, four of you. tell me why. >> i feel like -- i voted for obama for some sort of change, especially in what the economy has been going through. >> how old are you, by the way? >> twenty-three. >> so you are one of those obamaites?

>> kind of. this is the first democrat i voted for and i'm dispointed. >> what are you disappointed in? >> that he hasn't delivered on what he said he was going to change. it's worse. >> and you voted for obama? >> i did. >> and you lean towards romney? >> absolutely. i think obama has done a horrible job. he hasn't delivered. there's no change or hope. there's no dividing than when he began and we are so deep in death we will never be able to get out of it. >> two more of you. tell me why. >> i've never seen a president with such promise fail so spectacularly in delivering a reasonable healthcare reform in getting our unemployment under control and getting more jobs, getting our housing bubble fixed. >> great. karl, i understand you have a question? >> yeah. could you ask a couple of the obama supporters who oppose the affordable care act, the one thing they would do if it gets struck down and then and the figuressings what's the one or most important first thing they

would do if the bill was struck down so we get a sense what kind of answers they, looking for. >> i want to do the physicians because they are the ones that we have faith in that hopefully you know what should happen. so what would you do first? >> fundamental problem is the third party payer. as long as you aren't paying part of the coast or why what the cost is, costs are always going to go up. right now the immediate thing you can change that would really help the healthcare system is tort reform. >> by the way, is it lawsuit abuse? >> lawsuit abuse reform. nk tortsamericans t are a french pastry. what would you do? >> i would make the patient the consumer. >> how would you do. >> that so they are aware of the cost and what they are getting and how much it is costing and if it is necessary or not. >> doctor, what would you do? >> i think healthcare savings account are a great idea and badly needed. the patient needs to realize what they are paying for and with the third party payers they don't. >> are there any other medical professionals in here? where are you?

>> we need insurance reform as badly as we need consumer reform in terms of making sure that insurance companies aren't ripping off both doctors and patients. >> one more. who else is in the healthcare profession? what would you do first. >> we need to make sure that the system works for everybody and we need to make sure that what we do makes sense. >> does the legislation makes sense. >> the legislation makes absolutely no sense. we are going to be having so many things that are going to get in the way of us actually taking care of our patience. >> i'm a nurse but i work with physicians and there are a few bad ones out there, but most of them really want to do the right thing. but i see them struggling to comply with regulatory agencies, while at the same time practicing defensive medicine. >> say there are a few bad physicians. is michael one of those physicians? >> i don't know michael but i would hope not. >> you could have given a nicer answer. >> sean, karl, if the president is watching tonight he has to be very nervous about what he's

hearing not just in terms of who is voting for whom, but the fact that the medical profession, those are the people who have reasons to oppose this legislation and their hope that the supreme court fixes it in the next 24 hours. >> frank, by the way, great focus group. we have more to come. i love health savings accounts, port ability, competition, catastrophic care. there's so many good ideas we around getting into. we will continue more with the great focus group coming up after the break. later we go live to the arizona border where one brave american has set up hidden cameras along the border. the footage that you are going to see tonight that we have captured is going to leave you stunned. hopefully the obama administration is watching that, as well. people like options.

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>> welcome back to "hannity." joining me tonight is fox news contributor karl rove and frank luntz and his focus group are in washington d.c. frank, take it back. >> okay. sean, let's switch topics now. i want to ask you because there's a big battle going on at washington between what should be done between congress and the attorney general. should the attorney general be held in contempt for not supplying the house of representatives with the documents they have asked? what says yes. raise your hands and who says

no, raise your hands. who voted for obama and still say attorney general holder should be held in contempt? i'm curious. tell me why. >> what's he hiding? what's he hiding in let's see it. >> he's already been caught in one lie. he needs to be held in contempt until he releases the documents. >> the justice department has released thousand of pages. there is no reason to release more. they should have enough information to conduct a meaningful authorization. >> if they have been so forth coming and released all the documents they need, who authorized it? >> the whistle blower information is breath up nor questions, how come he can't confirm or deny with even what's going on with that information? >> aaron? he's speechless, guys. jake. >> the issue the president is bringing up if we are to prosecute in this manner, we are going to inhibit further dialogue and people talking to each other in cooperation within the government and in further cases. we want to be people to be working together, not against each other. >> the key element, sean, is the

issue of accountability and whether you've got that. it's interesting that so many americans want cooperation between the different branches and the different parties, but they still expect accountability and they want questions answered. >> yeah. let me ask two questions because this president said that he would cut the deficit in this country in half, and he said if he didn't get the economy going, that this would be a one-term proposition. i want to ask people about that, frank, and the second part of the question is that the president promised a new tone. he says republicans want dirty air and water, republicans, they don't care about kids with autism and downs syndrome and they want the elderly, they want them all to fend for themselves. how do they feel about the economy and the tone and rhetoric of this president as he's running for re-election? >> you got it. first, how many people believe president obama has succeeded in turning around the economy? raise your hands. stop laughing. [laughter] >> i'm going to ask the question again. how many of you believe that president obama has succeeded in

turning around the economy? not one of you. >> so why should he be given a second cans? >> exactly. >> okay. but watch this. how many of you believe that the republicans in congress have been successful in their policies, raise your hands? so basically you don't like anybody. >> no. >> is that what is going on here? >> they are stalemated. >> i believe congress has not worked with president obama in passing a lot of things that he has tried to do for the people and for america, for our country. >> has obama worked with congress? >> no, but it's more about creating an environment that encourages business. >> one republican was allowed to speak on that one. so please. >> what about the administration creating -- >> down here. >> it's like creating an environment that encourages business to invest in this country, and this administration has created a climate of uncertainty. >> how is mitt romney's record

of outsourcing jobs encouraging americans to invest in business? >> but i do want to ask, when we are talking about obama and congress you bring up mitt romney. sean, they were having a very civil conversation for the last hour here. we taped a special that's going to air next wednesday. but the moment you brought it into electioning in the campaign, this is what happens? >> he ran on a positive image and now he's using very negative, you know, making very negative accusations against republicans, and i would argue because he can't run on the economy. he can run on his record. do they feel, are they disappointed in the tone ever the president that says, you know, republicans want dirty air and dirty water? >> okay. your reaction to the president's tone? >> i am. i am. he hasn't done very much to bring us together as a country. we heard, you know, that all evening. i just think that he is pitting

us once against the other, racism comes up all the time. i'm not a racist. >> i disagree with you completely. >> she is a racist? >> i'm not saying she's a racist. we introduced each other before we started. but number one there's fighting from john boehner. there's never been any kind of some sort of let's compromise period. it's been attack him, attack him, attack him. anything he tries to do we try to stop. there's insiding and nothing is getting done. >> he has no record when he became record. now he does. and so instead of running on his record for re-election, he is tearing up the republican party and congress. >> you guys agree or disagree? >> wait a minute. >> hold on. >> we had two years -- >> hold on. karl, the moment that it gets into these kinds of issues, you take a group that was very friendly and unified and you pull it apart. >> well, let me ask you a question that sort of springs from that. if the president were to get

re-elected and he had a republican congress, could he put, could everybody put what he has said during the last three or four years behind them and move forward together? is there anything the president could do to unify the country like he said he would do in 2008 if he were to get re-elected? >> good question. okay. how do you unify? anybody we haven't heard from? how do you unify america? >> you have to find some way to work with the republicans and compromise. >> can he? >> he can. i don't know if he wants to orh. >> do you think he wants to? >> i don't know. i thought he did. >> in 2008? did you vote for him in 2008. >>dy. >> are you planning to vote for him in 2012. >> no. >> no? >> why not? >> he's been a disappointment. >> in what way? >> well, he ran a hope and change. he ran on being a different type of politician. he ran on things will be different. he ran on unity. >> and what did you get? >> we got what we got more. we are more divided. the economy is not doing better.

we have a healthcare program that no one seems to like. and no one really knows what's in it. there's 2700 pages. >> i promise you tomorrow we will know what's in it. karl, sean? >> the closerrer we get to november the more divided we become. the more angry people get. and to listen to the sadness, the regret of those who voted for barack obama and don't want to vote for him again, there's something telling in there we ought to pa attention to in the next coming weeks and months. >> a great focus group tonight. i want to thank you and the architect karl rove, thanks so much for being with us. >> you bet. >> and coming up next, you are going to see firsthand just how dangerous the arizona-mexico border really is as we speak to one brave rancher who set up hidden cameras on his property. his identity will be concealed as his footage will leave you stunned. that's next on a hannity exclusive. [ manager 1 ] out here in the winds, i have to know the weather patterns.

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>> the white house proved again this week they are not willing to stand with the people of arizona when dealing with illegal immigrants. but the administration ought to pay attention to what we are going to show you. this was captured by hidden cameras that were placed long the arizona-mexico border by my next guest. clearly visible are dozen of people crossing into this country illegally. joining me now to explain what he hopes to accomplish by revealing these videos is daniel. because of the obvious security concerns we are concealing his identity. daniel, you have been on before. thanks for being on the program. >> thanks for being me back on. >> when were these videos taken? we will keep showing them. >> these were all recently from 2012 to present day. just continues to show the influx. one of these cameras were on a

trail that was five miles north of a border patrol checkpoint. not on the south side but on the north side of a checkpoint. so just really displays how wide open the desert is. there's thousands of these trails throughout the state. >> is this a known corridor? >> it is and we've given these gps coordinates to border patrol in the past and i guess they continue to work other areas. >> what about those big bundles that they are carrying? can i assume that there is something in there that shouldn't be there? >> yeah. that's typically marijuana in the burlap sacks, and that's pretty typical group. six to eight people, average weight when you get it all together is 250 to 500 pounds. >> now, do you see this coming in live as it's happening? in other words, i know you don't have the chance to watch it at all times, but are there moments where you actually see this unfolding before your eyes and

do you call the border patrol? >> yeah. and it is quite interesting because with ice's new direction with their law enforcement here, we've had those bundles on the ground and we've called border patrol before and there's been times where they haven't been able to send eighths out to pick the dope up or the marijuana up off the ground and we have to rely on the other state agencies. so it's going to be real interesting when border patrol can't respond to us out there when we have large groups of drug smugglers, just how these deputies and these sheriffs and people that's going to respond to our calls are going to react to it. i can tell you i talked to that couple of them today. there's a lot of people very nervous about calling things in because of this tip hot line that the white house has put out. they are scared to be profiled. these are areas where nothing good happens at night except illegal activity. so these agents are very nervous.

>> when you look at some of the videos, and we don't have all of them, do you see examples where you see that they are armed? maybe some of them are but you don't see it. do you actually see arms sometimes? >> oh, without a doubt. and the first time you had us on we had quite a few of armed guys. and i think in one of the clips i sent to you guys there's one guy that is armed walking through one of the washes. but they are armed out there quite a bit. it's just stuff that the public doesn't see or hear. and this footage, there's no politics to it. everybody can see it, see what's going on and make up their own choice and the desert is wide open. >> it's interesting, when the president couldn't get the dream act passed, he said there are some people that would suggest that i can just do this on my own but i'm not allowed to do 2, the constitution doesn't allow it. and eight, nine, ten days ago that's exactly what he did. and on top of it now with the

supreme court ruling, the president is basically tieing arizona's hands and saying we aren't going to help you. it's all retribution now because arizona was trying to do what the federal government failed to do. what's your reaction to that? >> it blows our minds out here. i mean, it's so just mind-numbing that he can avoid the constitution that way and sign the dream act in and then tell federal agencies not to do their job in a particular state over the outrage of the supreme court passing some part of a bill or not, blowing me away. i don't know how he gets away with it and i hope it wakes a lot of people up this election season. >> last question. i heard that some of the illegal immigration had slowed because of the bad economy here. do you see that as you have been monitoring this now for years? >> well, it always slows down in the summertime just because it gets so hot. but i tell you what, i'll guarantee you, with the ice

contracts being cancelled and the dream act being signed through the back door, this wenter when the weather cools off, we will have ten times the amount of footage we have now. so stay tuned. >> daniel, appreciate you tore being with us. thanks for sharing that video with us. we will continue to monitor. coming up, more and more democrats are preparing to go awol ahead of their party's convention. why don't they want to be seen with their president at his convention? and the muslim brotherhood person nearly storms off the set when he finds out he's speaking to israeli reporters. we have the shocking [ male announcer ] wouldn't it be cool if we took the nissan altima and reimagined nearly everything in it? gave it greater horsepower and best in class 38 mpg highway... ...advanced headlights... ...and zero gravity seats? yeah, that would be cool. ♪ introducing the completely reimagined nissan altima.

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fair, the war against free speech. brook goldstein is back with us. the muslim brotherhood wins the presidency. president obama was wrong, we were right from the very beginning. >> that's right. >> the new guy said the israelis are vampires, he wants to implement sharia. watch when he refuses to speak to an isreali journalist. watch this. >> i had no idea before coming to this program and i'm going to have to discuss this with your guest from israel, as well, because i have some problems in talking with the journalist from israel. please, i'm not going to answer any question or any real question between these two journalists. >> and why not? >> i don't want to. >> but your countries are at peace, are they not? >> i said i don't want to. my country -- not my country doesn't want to.

i said i don't want to. >> and why do you not want to? >> first of all, i was not told i was going to have guests from israel. you should have told me in the beginning in the first place. >> our aim is not toen trap you, we just wanted to clearly know why you didn't want to speak to a guest from israel. >> so this gives us a pretty good indication, muslim brotherhood, they want sharia, they believe in jihad, and that is their highest order. that's how they were founded. that's their creed. >> the guy might as well said i don't want to talk to someone from israel because he's jewish. i don't need him to tell me what the muslim brotherhood creed is. they are the same. and if we think the muslim brotherhood is changed because they won an election in egypt, we are fooling ourselves. it is ridiculous. >> and the white house is relieve somed. >> they are ecstatic because they were working to make sure the muslim brotherhood got in. >> what is it that mean when

they are committed to sharia, they call the united states and bush terrorists. >> look what the president, the new president in the first round of voting was go around saying, the koran is egypt's constitution. he's going around saying this cold peace. today we will honor our agreements. tomorrow is another matter. and, you know, it's not even the first order. that's the real problem. >> what it really comes down to is a muslim here not too fond of the jewish people. i'm not shocked but then i've actually read the koran. it traces back to the the koran and mohammed. people will say what about the bible? the boob ellen doors slavery, which is doesn't. let's go back to mohammed jesus. jesus never killed anybody. never waged a war. he didn't curse the muslim and the jewish and christian people. two very different lives. i'm not saying all muslims hate christians and jews but there is a high percentage and it's because of the koran if you have

read it. >> let's stay with the real problem. >> that is the real problem. real problem is the koran. >> and the real problem is our administration not recognizing real imminent threats to our national security. secretary of state hillary clinton said the muslim brotherhood is a peaceful party committed to nonviolence. >> that's ridiculous. >> and they said we should not prejudice the muslim brotherhood. >> hang on. people are going to hear you say the problem is the koran. >> yes. >> you make a distinction between islam and radical islam. those who believe in jihad, holy war, infidels. >> there they be peace loving muslims there. are those out there that are that way but when you read the bible versus the koran, they are different. open up the koran and read a few chapters in any direction. if you disagree with me, tweet me and i will sure to tell you i have no idea what you are talking about. >> let me ask pat this question because this is really important. how did the administration get it so wrong in terms of they thought this was going to be good?

>> the same reason they got -- the same reason they think if they keep being nice to iran that iran is going to be nice to them. it's the same problem we have all along which is wishful thinking. and the problem we have in this country. look, the muslim brotherhood operates here in the united states. they operate against our interests here. don't they, brooke? >> absolutely. look at the american council on american relations. a muslim linked organization and ties with the co-conspirators. and with the very generous presence on the hill and the reason i'm wearing this t-shirt today, it says the nypd as my back. he has called for the regulation ag nation are the police commissioner for appearing in there is warning us about what threat of the islamist terrorists is. >> but they take our freedoms. they take all the institutional protections of free speech and open society and manipulate them. >> there are the liberals that stand up for minority rights.

look what happens to how women are treated under sharia. >> what about gays? >> they are murdered. >> exactly. we have to talk about how the republicans hate gays, what happens if you are gay in egypt for iran? >> and why -- >> they want to spin this as a foreign policy victory for the obama administration. >> how is it a victory? he was wrong. >> look at all the modern things coming out of them. >> they weren't going to run for president. we aren't going to run for president now they are president. >> they were saying prepare for war with israel at the time of the start of the arab spring. more with our with the spark cash card from capital one, olaf's pizza palace gets the most rewards of any small business credit card! pizza!!!!! [ garth ] olaf's small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase, every day! put it on my spark card! [ high-pitched ] nice doin' business with you! [ garth ] why settle for less? great businesses deserve the most rewards!

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>> we continue with our great, great american panel. we now have, what, 14 democrats, at least, that don't want to be seen with obama at the convention. they are busy. the convention is in september. last time i checked -- what is today's date? help me out. >> july 4th. >> june. >> okay. so democrats awol. here's clair mccaskill, one of obama's biggest supporters, she's not going to be able to make it. she's very busy in september. >> hi, i'm clair mccaskill. it's time. election is here and missouri is going to be very, very close. every single vote is needed. you cannot miss this election and you've got to take your friends. you've got to get involved the next few days.

you have got to make sure everyone understands what is at stake. our economy needs barack obama as president. our families need barack obama as president. please don't miss this election. too much is at stake. if you will make sure and vote next tuesday, if you make sure your friends vote and your families vote, you know what is going to happen? we are going to elect a great president, we are going to change america and we are going to change the world. thank you. >> i'm sorry, that was her in 2008. >> oh, whoa! >> come on, that's unfair. >> you pulled a fast one. >> just like when you throw that football. here's the thing there. whether they show up, don't show up, the mission is the same. it's to get this travesty, barack obama, out of the white house. >> and also tomorrow i think it will hit the fan and democrats will pay the price coming september. they won't be paying wholesale, they will pay retail. >> you are talking about the

healthcare decision? >> that's why i said excrement will hit the fan. >> i thought you were talking about the supreme court. >> and then they will be stupid and they will say we will get healthcare back when everybody says they don't want it. >> they will continue to attack romney and it's having some effect. >> no, it's not. >> yes, it is. the overconfidence, the republicans are going to win. >> i'm not overconfident. no. no. >> the reason these people aren't going to conventions is because they shouldn't go because they are entitled -- and there are tight races and clair mccaskill, the last thing she needs to do is to be seen in charlotte surrounded by -- >> but the problem is -- >> she's asked obama to campaign for her. fact of the matter is -- >> no, raise money. >> there's now only a 30% approval rating of obama. she needs to defend her turf. democrats have to win 25 seats to take back the house and the

republicans only four to take back the senate. >> i don't want to give you the impression i think 132 days from now is a lock. >> you have no idea what you are up against. >> no, no. >> it's a movie trailer, you have no idea what you are up against. >> but i totally agree with you. i think you are right. and anybody that underestimates obama and the democratic party. >> he's having a month that is so bad and it will be capped off i suspect tomorrow by not good news on the healthcare and holder, and he is still standing there. he is still slightly ahead. and i'm just telling you -- >> well, we will see what the polls or in october and after the debates. i have to run, guys. before we go tonight, we want to send our thoughts to tens of thousands of people that are affected by these colorado wildfires. among the evacuated is our good friend michelle malkin and to michelle and her family and all the people who were forced to leave their homes, the brave firefighters out there, we are thinking about