>> tonight on huckabee. >> today's decision was a victory for people all over this country. whose lives will be more secure because of this law and the supreme court decisions uphold. >> the attorney general who sued the federal government challenging obamacare. florida's bodden, virginia's cuccinelli and oklahoma. on the legal and political fallout on the landmark rulings. >> perhaps the most troubling of all, obamacare puts the federal government between you and your doctor. >> dr. siegel and boone, how the decision effects them and their relationship with their parents. plus-- >> the president's health care law is hurting our economy making it harder for small businesses to hire new

workers. >> small business owners on what it means for their business and their employees. ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. ♪ (applause). (applause). >> . >> mike: thank you. thank you very much. welcome to huckabee from the fox news studios in new york city. the big thud that was heard across america thursday morning was the sound of jaws dropping from coast to coast, as chief justice john roberts lined up with the most liberal elements of the supreme court to decide that obamacare was constitutional. not on the basis of what the president's lawyers actually argued. in fact, they had defined a creative and convoluted way to declare constitutional the 2300 page monstrosity that congress members admitted they hadn't even read. chief justice john roberts had to reach way up into the big blue sky and say, that the fine wasn't a fine, that the commerce clause argument

really had magically disappeared and the tax that the president swore so convincingly wasn't a part of the bill suddenly materialized to make the pig smell like perfume. now, not since the magic bullet theory from the kennedy assassination or the swearing of simon peter three times before the rooster crowed have we seen such a twist of material evidence or adamant denial as to what was actually in the bill. now, the issue, many a democrat in 2010 is going to hang over them like a sharp sword. republicans clearly lost the legal battle, but may have won the political war. the ruling ignited many americans as if the electrical equivalent of political pearl harbor. shock from lethargy and indifference. conservatives are, to borrow a phrase from the president, fired up and ready to go. the democrats got what they wanted, but they didn't really get what they wanted in the

sense that they didn't get what they got. what they got was the responsibility for the largest tax increase in american history and not just on nasty old millionaires and billionaires, oh, no, this is going to bust the budget of americans of all income levels. and middle class, buckle up, you were promised no tax increases, but you've got them. 21 tax increases in all, 12 of them are going to hit the group that supposedly was shielded. those making less than $250,000 a year. and now, the court has handed the president an island of victory, but given mitt romney a complement of campaign material. the election is clear, if you want to repeal obamacare, you have to repeal obama. and the democrats in the congress on election day. and if you are an employer, you're going to have to explain to your employees that they can vote for obama, but if he keeps his job, it's going to be a lot harder for them to keep theirs. if you'd rather give maybe

obama the opportunity to give you medical advice? rather than your own doctor, then vote for him. but your doctor may quit practicing medicine if obama keeps practicing his brand of spreading the wealth around. if this election was lacking clarity and urgency, that all changed on thursday. so, curse the court if you want to, but i have to think the most freightened people in america tonight aren't the romney campaign team, but the democrat candidates who get to explain to you, voters, why their party is popping you with the largest tax hike in history while the unemployment rate is at a record sustained high with the largest number of people in our history eligible for food stamps. as dr. phil might say, how is that going for you? (applause) >> well, the supreme court ruling is going to affect every american in some way and we'd like to hear from you. so, send us your comments, send them to huck

mail@foxnews.com. and in december, our first republican presidential forum featured a panel of three states, attorney general, who led their respective states against obamacare. some of their questions to the candidates focused on the president's health care law, and now that we've got a final ruling from the supreme court, we wonder what do they have to say? joining us once again, oklahoma attorney general scott crew et. attorney general pam bonding from florida the lead state in the litigation and virginia's ken cuccinelli who joins us from washington and also, ken cuccinelli is running for governor in virginia. thank you, governor. >> mike: and pam, you sat in, and when the oral arguments were a few months abbing and yet, i think you were as blind sided when ruling came down, on the basis, what kind of

power congress is going to have. and was this really that much of a part of the case, the whole issue of the tax? because we thought it was the commerce clause. >> governor, we were totally blind sided and i'll tell you, even the lower courts who rejected our-- who went against us, rejected the taxing power argument. so, no other court ruled that way, and even in the-- even if the federal government's briefing, they didn't even start talking about the taxing power until page 52 and it was only 63 pages long, i mean, to do any of us really believe that congress intended to tax the uninsured? of course not. and president obama and the democrats never ever pitched this as you said, as a tax. this was pitched as a penalty. and what happened, what we saw happen in front of the supreme court was they chose to rewrite the law, not interpret it in my opinion. >> mike: ken cuccinelli. we often hear the term judicial activism.

the fact that this court reached out and grabbed something that really wasn't on the table, is that judicial activism in action? >> well, it's actually worse than that, governor. the earlier version of the bill had the word tax in there, describe the fine and you had to pay the tax and they amended that out and changed it to penalty. well, the chief justice went in on that part of the bill and rewrote it, and rewrote it to be a tax and of course, he had to dramatically expan the definition of what constitutes a tax under the constitution. and that's what the dissent of scalia and kennedy and alito and thomas was talking about, when they said they wrote a law that was never passed. the chief justice had to rewrite the law to even plug in his massive tax theory to uphold what the portion of obamacare that was upheld. >> mike: scott, let's talk

about the tax issue, because to repeal obamacare, we always thought that it would require 60 votes in the senate because that's typically what it takes to get passed the filibuster problem that the senate had, so, a majority would pass the house, but the senate is a tough nut to crack because of that 60 votes water mark. however, there is a quirk, because now, the court has defined this as a tax. explain why that high water mark may have been lowered. >> governor, as you said, it's always a great concern about the repeal effort. the reason there was so much focus on the court case, was we were hoping the court would get it right and take it out entirely in the process and now that the court has issued their decision, it's focused entirely on what you said in your opening comments, you need to repeal obama for the law, and now that the the court called it a tax, the 60 votes are no longer necessary. >> why is that? >> because it's a revenue raising measure and with the budget reconciliation, the senate can take up the budget

reconciliation and deal with those kinds of issues with the simple majority. so it's actually encouraging that those folks that are seeking to lead the repeal effort in the senate now have something they didn't have before the court decision, a court saying that the tax and consequentlily they can use budget reconciliation to pull the individual mandate out. >> so, let's just be sure right now the democrats control the senate. that isn't going to happen before november. but if republicans were to take the senate. if there were a couple of free votes switching over and therefore, that the republicans are in the majority, and harry the contrary reid goes in and 51 votes stays republican, repeals obamacare and then requires the signature after president which means probably obama wouldn't sign that bill, but a mitt romney would. >> that's exactly right. and what's, i think, even more encouraging is that many say how could you repeal the entire act? can you really get the votes

to do that which would require 60 votes, now that it's a tax you can do it through budget reconciliation and take the individual mandate out, the mandate tax now it's called. guess what, there's a plenty of mechanism of regulatory change goes away and the whole thing collapses. all they have to do is focus on the individual mandate and reconciliation what we sought to achieve through the court case could occur through the legislative process. >> mike: that's the point we want to make to the audience. a lot of people didn't understand why so much focus on the individual mandate. because it's in essence the concrete foundation upon which the entire thing stands. if it goes out you can say the rest of it's there, nothing to stand on. collapses like a house of cards because that individual mandate is the funding mechanism upon everything is predicated. if it goes you can pretend it's there, but it's not there and no money for it or basis for it, that's why it becomes a huge issue. did the supreme court decision open the door for the

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[applause] ♪ >> an action for not having health care. what else can it tax, but. how far can taxing power go? we'll get into the segment with our three attorneys general, and i want to ask the question though, pam, is there any other legal means that states have to challenge obamacare or is it over? >> well, first, you know, let's-- let's believe there's no inevitability that this is ever going to be fully implemented because, again, it's the main part takes place 2014 and we have an election that can take care of that

before that. it's massive, it's complicated. it needs fully digested what we do next and don't forget, we have multiple lawsuits out there. including the one i'm in, and the liberty and sterilization and abortion pill and no way i believe they're going to prevail on that issue, forcing us against our religious liberty, the churches, to provide things that they don't believe in religiously. >> mike: ken, were there a little bit of a maybe, silver lining in the cloud because of the medicaid ruling, that the at least, states can say they're not going to do the expanded medicaid. >> right, there were two limitations put on the federal government that haven't happened since the new deal. one was the commerce clause ruling went our way, but of course the bill went through anyway. the other one, spending power, for the first time since the new deal, the federal government had limits put on its ability to use as spending

power and it's historically used that power basically to club the states. if you don't take this money and do this new thing we want you to do in this case, the expansion of medicaid, then we're going to take all of our medicaid money, and let me tell you what that works out for virginia, we have over a 7 billion dollar medicaid program, a little over 3 billion dollars of that comes from theederal government, and what they said was, if you all, virginia, won't expand your medicaid program massively under obamacare, then we'll take all three billion of those federal dollars, we'll wipe your medicaid program out and that's what the supreme court said the federal government may not do. so, now, virginia gets to make that decision without the threat hanging over its head. and given what a budget busting program, it's the biggest growth part of our budget, medicaid, has been for some time now, i think it's unlikely that our legislators and governor are going to

swallow what for virginia would be another 200 million dollars a year approximately, once it's fully phased in. we just don't have that money and unlike the federal government, we have to actually balance our book. and we're pretty serious about that in virginia. >> scott, i want to get into the tax question, the supreme court said essentially they could punish you for not doing something. is this a very new approach to taxing? we tax you because you didn't do something? what's interesting about the opinion is that the chief justice gave very little attention to what type of tax. he just said the government has the taxing power, or this can be upheld as a constitutional under the taxing power, but there's really only four types of taxes that congress can collect. excise tax, tariffs, and a direct tax, a direct tax has to be what a portioned among the several states. if this is considered a direct tax, which the justice didn't liable label it. when the tax is applied, look it, this is a direct tax and

violates the constitution as applied to me, we're going to challenge this. so there are opportunities in the future, depending how the tax is labeled, which of the four is it? we don't know yet because the court didn't label it. it's an important question. >> i've not heard anyone bring up that argument. no one. do you think this is the grounds for yet another legal challenge to the validity of obamacare? >> i do. i do, governor. i think there's that possibility and we certainly will be discussing it. >> what about you, kenny, any, is this new grounds to look at a challenge? >> yeah, part of the reason we were all so surprised about the ruling, why no one expected it is because it's a bad ruling. no one expected a ruling this bad from the chief justice. and scott's absolutely right of course, about the limited number of taxes available to congress. now, they're very broad. but, that's one of those areas that was not investigated to the level and breathed at the level that the commerce clause was. that's one of the things we'll

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(applause) >> well, chief justice john roberts gave a lot of criticism from the right because he stood with the liberal justices on the supreme court. we'll get into that section and try to figure out what was behind it, but, i want to begin, first of all, i want to go back to ken cuccinelli on something, ken, if congress

can tax us in this way, is there anything, anything for which we cannot be taxed? >> i'm sure the answer to that is there's something, but sitting here, given the incredible breadth that the chief justice put on the tax definition under the constitution, it's hard for me to conceive immediately what that might be be. along the lines of scott's comments one of the things i might have thought, it couldn't be an excise tax on doing nothing. they've applied excise taxes to work before, for instance, for social security, but for doing nothing, the failure to do something, this is itself brand new and it's part of why the chief justice has expanded the taxing power to appoint never imagined by the founders in his opinion here and it's very unfortunate, it could cause us serious problems in the future, but i will point out the one power that congressman and senators are most afraid of voting on is the tax power. >> yeah, and because the

political ramifications. >> right. >> they're voting for a tax, especially in the middle of recession. >> right. >> let me ask attorney general bondi and pruitt, from a legal standpoint what. do you like out in the future. wow, we better buckle up. if evening can do this, here is what else they can do. what do we need to be afraid of? >> unfortunately, there's a consequence for voting for a tax, a political process, but in this situation, as justice kennedy said from the bench, the court had a statute that congress didn't pass. it wasn't a tax in time, they applied it retroactively. the penalty as you said the largest tax in our nation's history perhaps. that paying a penalty nor, they didn't vote for it, they said it wasn't a tax, they said it was a penalty. that's unfortunate about what chief justice roberts did.

he wrote and a statute that congress did not pass. he rewrote it. and if you look at it congress and president ever said this was a tax, it would never have ever, ever, passed ever. and at least we can look at the portion that we did win under the commercial clause because i fully believe if we had lost under the the commerce clause there would be absolutely no limits to the federal government's power, none the at all. >> mike: and go to our question again, is there any limit on the taxing power? if itself it says that someone could, if you don't put energy efficient windows in your home they could tax you $50 if you don't put energy efficient windows in your home. >> mike: don't tell them that. >> it begs the question, truly what you're doing, you can use the tax power away, to compel conduct like under the commerce clause and that's unfortunate about the outcome. >> and quickly what they said, just call it a penalty and they can get away with it.

>> mike: ken, like if you were at criminal trial and if you were on trial for murder and your prosecutor, prosecute you for murder. the lawyer defends you against murder and the judge says you're not guilty of murder, but your we're get you for bank be robbery. >> well, bank robbery is a good choice, governor, that's a lot like what happened here. [applause]. >> mike: the banks that are being robbed. >> that's right, frankly, they're stealing from the future is what they're doing and again, one of the differences between the states and the feds, we have to balance our budgets and they don't. they don't even have this money to spend and yet, as you just pointed out, they passed one of the biggest budget busting bills in history and the supreme court has let them stand up that way. >> and what is your view of the mind of john roberts. i know you're not clairvoyant here. you're an attorney, you're an

attorney general, look into his head and tell us what happened. >> you know, i can tell you that i still believe that john roberts is a man of great integrity and i don't think that he did this for personal reasons. i fear that he was frightened because we all knew president obama and the democrats were going to demonize the supreme court if they upheld or if they struck this down in full. so, i fully believe that he was concerned about protecting the integrity of the court perhaps, but you know, he's a brilliant man and i frankly don't think he can possibly believe that his opinion is persuasive. >> mike: scott, any insight. >> you look at chief justice's confirmation hearing, he talked about-- i think a modest ideology, courts should be humble and modest and courts shouldn't legislate and i think he's talked about that for a number

of years. when you look at the opinion, he gave too much deference to the executive branch and the constitution-- >> one other thing. >> the constitution in the hands of this president, governor, is a dangerous thing (applause) >> frankly, we have to make sure we have a branch willing to hold the executive and the legislative branch accountable. that's where he failed. i think as a strict strugsist goes he lot the commerce clause right and spending power right. what he didn't get right is the humility he talked about in his confirmation hearing, we're going to give great deference to the legislative process, in in it was the difference of views. >> mike: ken, a last word in here. >> one last word is not a positive one. remember, the president's intimidation attempt a week after oral arguments and how everyone across the spectrum reacted to that. whether it's true or the not. one reasonable interpretation consistent with their

colleague's comments. the chief justice crumbled like a dry cookie here and in some desperate attempt to preserve the court has instead made them look foolish with an unsupportable ruling that is only the law of the land because five justices on the supreme court said it is, not because it's backed by any good rational or any intellectual history that traces itself back to the founding vision of this country. >> mike: and well, i want to tell you two things, first, i appreciate the candor of your view and secondly, i hope you don't have any more cases going before john roberts anytime. >> we all do. >> we all do. >> mike: well, good luck with that. (laughter) >> i really appreciate your insight because it helps us to have this perspective from states attorney generals on the front line of the legal issues that really form obamacare. pam bondi, scott pruett, ken, helpful to have you.

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>> live from america's news headquarters, i'm harris falkner. help is on the way to mid atlantic states and millions are without electricity and repairs crews from oklahoma, even quebec, canada. with the heatwave continuing, some hit the state of west virginia are now under new thunderstorm watches at this hour. and seven states in our nation's capital suffered massive power outages, after the storms came through. and the storm now blamed for the at least 14 deaths and progress reported tonight in the battle against the most destructive wildfire in colorado's history. and colorado springs said to be 45% contained nearly 350

homes destroyed and two bodies in the ruins, many of the evacuees have finally been allowed to go back home. i'm harris falkner and let's get you right aback to huckabee. >> if you'd like to comment on tonight's show, e-mail us at huck mail@foxnews.com. >> (applause). doctors are going to be one of the biggest groups impacted by the affordable health care act and it's funny how it's going to hit them. the fox news medical a-team, inner pulse and also, dr. martha boone, a urologist from atlanta, georgia and we welcome you and delighted to have you. dr. boone, get started with you, you're a doctor and you have your own practice in your own clinic. not only a medical practitioner, but taking care of the business side of medicine. when you think about obamacare, what does it mean for you, both as a doctor and as a business person. >> well, we were told when we

started down this road, with president obama that if you had a doctor you could keep them if you're happy with them. if you're happy with your insurance company, so to the first point, you can keep your doctor. and reimbursement is down, the cost of doing business is up. and doctors all over atlanta are getting off of medicare, and no doctor is currently on medicaid. and we've had to move our office and get a less expensive location so that we can keep our medicare patients, so we're definitely being impacted by the financial aspects of it. >> and one. things i don't think most people understand, they think well, the doctors are getting paid by medicare. what the is the percentage of the actual costs that medicare reimburses in georgia. >> i'm embarrassed i'm able to keep my office open because of my private patient insures. i barely break even on medicare. and atlanta is an affluent city and we're able to have large numbers of people who

have private insurance, i'm able to carry my medicare patients through the private insurance patients. the private insurance patients are essentially subsidizing the government subsidized patients through medicare and medicaid already. every doctor in america i've talked to said if they have to take more government based patients they'd go out of business, they he wouldn't afford to open the doors. >> i wouldn't make it to labor day. >> labor day. >> if i had nothing, but government run health care. >> that's pretty, pretty strong. doctor, go ahead and finish your thought, but i think that's very important for people to understand. >> so, the first part is, your doctor will be there for you i'm not certain that's correct. and the second part, you'll have the same health care as before, i'm certain that's not correct. what the patients understand what we're talking about government health care is top down care. bureaucrats sit in a room with number crunchers and scientific articles and decide what is best for you, patient run health care is where you sit with your doctor, and with

your special circumstances, your age, your sex, your family history, and a decision is made in the privacy of the doctor's office and we're seeing that this is already changing. several months ago, we had this big announcement from the government that people did not need their psa tests anymore. well, as a urologist, the psa test is extremely important to us, because we use it as one of the many things to help us decide how to care for prostate cancer patients. instead of letting us decide on an individual basis the government comes in and said this is a bad test, all over the news, this is a bad test, i don't need to get it. the average man doesn't want to come in and get his digital rectal exam and blood-- >> why not, look forward to. >> because the government tells them you don't have to do it, they're not going to come in. >> and the government doesn't have to encourage that.

>> yeah. >> so, you know, it's not a joking matter, really, because there will be death from that. i live in atlanta, georgia predominantly an african-american community and it's in the population. many men say we don't need to goat this, i'm not coming in. what the patients don't understand, what the patients are starting to understand is that their liberty is being taken away. their choices. their personal decisions for what they want and don't want in their health care, and what's going away. >> dr. siegel. that's something you've written about and talked about, this is not just a medical issue, it really is the rights of the doctor and the rights of the patients are infringed upon and you have some government person, you don't know who they are, making decisions for you. >> governor, i want to talk tonight actually about patients rather than doctors, but add to martha's point here, because that psa or committee says the test we don't like it, not only are my

patients discouraged 0 get it, it won't be reimbursed. there's over 250 million people in the united states that already have health insurance, over 85% of the population, i'm concerned about them tonight. you know why? medicine is excitingly going in a direction of new solutions and technologies, what's good for you isn't good for me. personalized medicine, genetic solutions and you know what won't cover that? insurance. because obamacare and insurance companies are not geared to do anything other than a one size fits all approach. you'll see your premiums go up, but the service that is they cover go down. your ability to pay out of pocket go down. obamacare has all kinds of problems with that, we're going to pay less and less out of pocket. not able to deduct your out of pocket. flexible spending going down and taxes going um. it isn't the funny penalty tax if you don't buy insurance. that's one part. there's more medicare taxes going on if you make over $200,000 a year and this is a bad situation where the 85% are going to provide bells and

whistles to the other 15%, but it's going to take away from everybody's basic services. >> mike: we're going to see less innovations because taxes now are on the innovators and taxes on the people who attempt to try things that are different and out of the government's mold. and doctor, that does not bowed well for the future, not so much on the money side, but the delivery side of quality innovative health care. >> well, you're exactly right. i belong to an organization called doc professional care and our purpose is to keep the sanctity of the doctor-patient relationship f we don't have the support, or innovators, he can do 1950's medicine. >> mike: i'm afraid that may be where we're heading. we may be paying 2012 costs for 1950's medicine and that's the real worry. dr. siegel and dr. boone, thank you both. coming up, two brothers who

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with the speaker. joining us the mccacarthmacarth family run business. randy, let me begin with you, like a the lot of small businesses you've got fewer people coming in the door buying things because of the recession and business is down, yet, obamacare is going to cost you more money. at least explain to me how it's going to cost you more money and what does it mean for you staying in business? >> well, it's good to be here, mike. it's already cost us more money. and since it's demanding, starting taking effect in 2010, we've had a the lot of things that have been mandated as coverage used to be ongsptios and no half on premium. we've seen in the last two years, two subsequent increase proposals for our health insurance for our 50 lives in our small bakery, 22% the first year and 28% last year.

and that is forced us to do a whole policy changes, we've had to raise deductibles, increase co-pays and the out of pocket for our small bakery employees has drastically increased. >> dave, will it affect the quality care that your employees can get. obviously, if this cost keeps going up. that's a staggering, increase in what the cost of doing business, so if not a single person buys a loaf of bread, you've got the fixed costs. how do you handle that. >> well, it's great to be here again and, but what it does, it's not oh, poor me. what people have got to realize it's poor you. we've got the policy in place for our employees, but the problem is, the employees can't afford the policy. you know, we've watched in recently with this change, like, emergency rooms, emergency room went from $75 to $300. urgent care, $25 to $100. and you know, i've got a good

friend that works for a small government municipality, hers goes from 125, but what it went to was $500. here was a mom who was told a story, my son like 20 months old, he's sick, it's midnight, sunday, i call the doctor they say take him to the the hospital he's got 104 fever and i'm going $500, 104 fever. $500, 104 fever. do you understand? i mean, she feels like she's a terrible mom, but she's got to make a financial decision, suddenly. this isn't good for the people that have paid their bills, the people that never paid their bills, they could care less anyway they are he going to go and use the emergency room as free day care. >> mike: that's something i don't think we're hearing something very much is the impact on business owners like you and randy. what your a describing is, you know, your costs are going to continue to go up. if you raise the price of your products, 'cause you're selling out retail, bakery goods, if you raise the price too much. then what happens if you're trying to meet those increased

costs that the government has put on you? >> well, we've already seen what happened. we're going through the worst recession in history, but food costs over the last four years have gone up over 38% in our market basket. so our prices have gone up about 13 to 14% in that period and every time we've seen a price increase, what we've seen is, we seles of our high dollar items and people are forced to buy less expensive products. so our gross profits, our gross sales dollars have gone down from 2008, about 2 to 3% while our gross units have gone up 3 to 4%. so, you have a good idea what that does to the bottom line. there is no price elasticity left for small businesses. >> david, is there some point in which you bring your employees together and here is the deal. if obama keeps his job, you may not be able to keep yours? >> you know, governor, you're talking to the guy that never-- my wife says do you ever talk anything about politics and

religion? all the time. and, but you know, this is what small business people better be doing, we better be educating our employees, exactly what happened. i bet you 40% of our employees voted for obama at the last, they're hoping for hope and change like a lot of people were. they didn't read the fine print and now what? they're the ones carrying this health insurance card right now with at that deductible and then, you know, all of that stuff. you don't have to talk to them real hard about it because it's hit their wallets and it's hit them hard. >> mike: well, guys, i think it's very important to have the perspective of people actually in business trying to make things work. dave, randy, hope to see you soon and remember, bring some samples from the bakery. [applause] >> always a pleasure. . >> remember, e-mail us, tell us how it's affecting you, you can send your comments to muck mail@foxnews.com. -- huck mail@foxnews.com. as you get ready to cookout and spend 4th of july.

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♪ [applause] >> okay. it's enough pizza to feed an army not just the army, but we're talking about all the branches of the military serving in afghanistan. the an organization called pizza for patriots helping our troops celebrate the 4th of july sending 30,000 pizzas. and would you welcome mark evans and ethan who is going to you deliver the pizza in 30 minutes or less. >> takes a little longer. >> you're one of my heros, you

know why? you had a vision to just do something nice for our troops and this started a you few years ago, and this thing has grown to massive proportions and this is historic. >> yes, sir, i want to thank you so much for having us and you're always kind every time i see you. and it's been five years since mike and i were sitting at the table, eating pizza, man's night. we e-mailed general petraeus. and he answered the president and ceo and responded and said let's do this. what started with 3000 pizza we've delivered over 70,000 pizza. >> mike: over five years, 70,000 and you're going to deliver 30,000 pizza in one great big delivery, and ethan the lodgistics has to be challenging. >> 57 pounds of pizza, 47,000 pounds of dry ice and

equivalent of 150 pallets as tall as i am. three different segments from chicago, to cincinnati to bahrain and they have to rehe ice. bag har and camp leather neck and four operating bases and coordinate with the llt because of the storage facility and cook it for the troops on the 4th of july. >> mike: and it's so hot, you could probably set it in the sun and cook it itself. >> throw it on a rock. >> the pizza, takes a little while. >> you're going to deliver to actually to where the soldiers are you, 90,000 troops theoretically getting a petes of pizza, how can people be a part of it. >> go to pizza 4 patriots.com. and we're blessed because the morning you bake up on the 4th of july drinking your coffee looking forward to the birth of our country and think of someone, the cold air goes

down your spine and someone over there is eating it and these are young people over there. average age is 20 years old. two years ago they were in high school, playing soccer or football or theater, or just being kids and it's all about pizza when you raise kids and here they get the pizza out in the desert. hard core. >> pizza 4 patriots.com and you ought to do that as i will because by the way we're going to have a little bit as we leave here. let me say this to you the last ride the new movie about the final days of the music legend hank williams, recently opened. and got to see if especially if you love music. and we planned to have on hank's daughter and her performance of hey good looking. because of the news on obamacare, we had to postpone for a couple of weeks and i promise we will have it on and in the meantime, i hope that you'll see the movie, the last ride. find out more about it, go to

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