please always remember the spin stops right here because we're definitely looking out for you. welcome to this very special independence day american roundtable. you are going to have the opportunity to hear from our leading members of congress and we're going to hear from the american people. maybe you've seen this before. this is called instant response. the higher you turn your dial the more favorable reaction. we're going to be testing line by line and word by word what members of congress have to say and what our members respond. it's my pleasure to introduce alan west. welcome, congressman.

[ applause ] >> first thing i wanted to do is i want to understand what the american dream means to you. its special day today. you served this country well. >> i'll tell when think i about the american dream i had the opportunity to go back to my home neighborhood in atlanta. i was born in inner city right down from where martin luther king was raised. no matter where you come from or where you are born there is a quality of opportunity based upon your drive and determination that you can achieve whatever heights that you want in this great nation. my father was born in 1920 down in south alabama. my mother down in south georgia. who would have thought when i was born in 1961 they would have a son that would be a retired lieutenant colonel that commanded a battalion in combat and is now the first republican member from the state of florida

since reconstruction. that is the american dream. that is what we fight for. [ applause ] >> clearly the american dream worked out for you but it hasn't worked out for everyone. >> you see the thing is each and every one of us, i grew up in the inner city it would have been nice if i was 6'3" and could shoot three-pointers so i had a different path. my father served in world war ii and my older brother was vietnam. so my path was military. they convinced me in high school to join rotc. will everybody be a millionaire, maybe not. but there is richness in your life. it's not about material wealth, it's about something that is

totally different. intrinsic wealth, i live in the greatest nation the earth has ever known. the story can't happen anywhere else but the united states. that is why people wanted to come here to be a part of. when i put my feet on these shores, nobody is going to hold me back. this is the problem that we have. if we continue down the path of a government -- this is philosophical difference in america. the difference that there are some people that want to say that is not about equality of opportunity, it's about equality of achievement. two very different things. it says that we are going to say how far you can go and what we can provide to you. that is the difference between economic freedom and economic dependence. when i went back to neighborhood, i saw families that had been destroyed. i saw victimization that was

totally different than when i grew up in the '70s. that is the seminal question we have to ask ourselves. as we go forward are we going to have a government, are we going to have a people that understand what the american dream is? are we going to have people that reflect our principles and values to make sure that everyone to live that american dream. >> any first time voters here, first presidential race. you are the youngest. you get the first question. >> i like your story. it's a true american story, but i think one of the things that has ruined our politics is rhetoric. i think for a congressman to make the ago saying there are 70 communists in the house of representatives, your statement, it doesn't reflect what the story you just told. >> but it does reflect the story i told. i have a bachelor's degree and two master's degree in political science and political ideology.

the thing is you have to be able to understand the two competing principles. when i talk to people what is america, when people respond america is a democracy, america is a constitutional republic. when you read the document of the declaration of independence the full declaration, the full constitution, you understand limited government and personal responsibility and you understand free sovereignty, strong national defend but there are people on the other side. you can call them communism, socialism, marxism or states smg but they believe in nationalism. they believe in en a welfare state. you can't tell me you are not seeing that in the united states of america right now. >> wow, because this proves how biased the liberal media. because you come out so smart right now. a lot of left leaning media

portrays you as some crazy guy. wow, i hundred 10 percent agree with you. >> this is the point. there are some people in this country that are afraid of my story. there are some people that don't want to let people know that you can have a young black male from the inner city a career veteran that had a family. i am third of four generation american military. so i have to continue to tell the truth. >> does he scare you? >> no, not at all. i want to know how you take your story and your determination and your drive that you talk about and reinstill it to the kids that are coming up today. they don't have it. >> it's not just about drive. it's about serving. >> it's about service, sacrifice

and commitment. once upon a time when you looked at this country, coming out of world war ii and korea, 75% of the people up on capitol hill had done well. had served in the military. they raised their right hand and took an oath and they were willing to lay their lives down for it. i had a difference sense of character. when i first retired from the military back in 2004 after 22 years, i went back the afghanistan. but there is something out there it's important to get men and women that have been out on the front lines and truly understand the essence of what america is and have these great stories they can tell. because so often they need to understand courage and conviction and character.

there is a lot of intrinsic messages we can teach. >> both you guys in the back row together. >> i agree with everything you said so far. frankly, i am proof of wha just said. i was born in romania, came here penniless and i'm now in the 1% and i'm proud of it. the 1% is a very fluid 1%. >> you are absolutely right. >> i hear people talk about middle-class. america is not about class or cast. it's about income level, but you can try at any level based upon your own drive and determination. think about the guy, that cardboard plastic thing you put on your wind sheeltd to shield off the sun. he came up with a simple idea. it became something that people picked up on. >> does he represent the american dream? >> yes. >> does he represent america? >> yes. >> how many in this room would

vote for him. there are a lot of obama people in here. >> when we come back here, he will explain what is going with the obama administration. we'll have eight republican freshmen answering your questions and congressman rob andrews. stay tuned.

on this independence day i have a simple question for our panel. are america's best days ahead of us or are they behind us? who would say ahead? who says behind? i'm curious. >> the numbers have been trending towards going down as a country on education. system has gone down, no longer one of smartest countries. it doesn't look good. >> i just see the jobs going and tanking. i see people bank accounts are getting smaller and smaller. >> somebody give me some hope? >> i choose to believe that we will get better. just knowing some of the things that have been done, that the media does not allow us to hear on the news or read in the

newspaper, we will get better. i choose to believe. we have to. we're counting. >> darrell issa. >> i'm with her. our best days ahead of us. first of all, understand that there is assets and liabilities. our nation's liability is minimal when you look at our assets, great low cost energy and tremendous natural resources. we do have a highly educated work force. yes, we could do better and we know how to do it. we are still the envy of the world. why do more people emigrated here than all the rest of the world combined. as you said. are we slipping? yes, we are slipping in the lead and we are are still in the lead and we have the ability to lead the world for hundred years to come. decision is ours. >> next question. you are center of every

investigation going on here. we talk about the role of freedom and liberty. what about the role of accountability? >> that is the nature of the committee that i'm on. people ask the question, what is the most important committee? is it the appropriators that spend your money, the ways and means that decide how to tax you or is it in fact people are responsible to see what is taxed from you is fairly collected. what is spent is well spent. that is really where oversight comes in. that is where this branch of government was envisioned by these men behind us as a balance in which not an adversarial relationship but a relationship of accountability. >> this issue of accountability. you have been tough on the president all the way through. you have been tough on the attorney general. on this independence day would

you ever acknowledge that you may have been too tough? >> you know, frank, in 2006, i was investigating as subcommittee chairman called the mineral management service. you've heard the name recently. we decided without a doubt and published a report this was dysfunction al, irresponsible, conflicted, they lacked the ex fierce to oversee oil and natural gas and other minerals. we did that because we needed to but we didn't take the next step. we didn't hold them accountable to change. and few years later the gulf of mexico was full of oil. there i wasn't tough enough, i don't think you can be too tough to correct things in government. >> what advice in his role of chairman of the most important

investigative committee. >> hang tough. >> you are doing exactly what we need to happen. we are spending the money but there is no oversight. >> we're watching. >> in the back, what would you tell him? >> be fair and let people know what you zbliorng don't let the leaders of the parties determine what you are going to do. >> same thing. stay what you are doing right now and don't let politics get in the way. >> i have to challenge you guys, you say it's too partisan, right? so you think it's not partisan? william? >> there is too much going on. what is it that you are doing that is different that will make it better? >> i think the important thing

is that in fact the founders envisioned three branches of government, each to balance the other. the partisanism should not be among republicans and democrats. wee it should be the branches. we should hold them accountable just as they the courts do if we overstep. my view is, there is no question the more transparency we force out of the executive branch the more people participate in democracy. >> good answer? >> what needs to be done to correct that between the parties. >> one of the challenges we have we lost track of who the enemy is. the enemy of good representation by your executive branch and your congress are the huge growth and bureaucracy. can we get past the idea that

republicans versus democrats and get to the question has government grown so big it's not accountable. there was outrage over to gsa but what are we going to do there are not thousands of those going on wasting your money. is it tough? yes, but the toughness has to be accountability and transparency. >> i want you to stay put. in particular we're going to ask congressman issa has he gone too far with barack obama. later in the show, some of them are going to take your questions and congressman is going to give the democratic perspective so stay tuned. switch to allstate. their claim service is so goo now it's guaranteed. [ normal voice ] so i can trust 'em unlike randy. are you in good hands?

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>>. >> host: we're back, the eight house freshmen that are rocking washington, d.c. but before we get to that, let me just ask you, what is too far when you hold people accountable? it's part of democracy. is it possible to go too far? >> yes, i believe it's possible to go too far and how hue do you define that. >> you set standards and laws and then you uphold them you don't change the rules depending on your situation. >> never change the rules from one president to the next. >> i think when you compromise national security. >> do you think this administration did? >> yes, i do. >> is that going too far? so let me ask you, the person responsible for those investigations, is there an

issue with what the administration did? >> recognized how important national security is to our freedom. did they compromise? >> i think it remains to be seen. if the leaks that came deliberately in order to move a political agenda, those responsible went too far but i think this administration has done much better overall on adhering to national security than most people expected. most people thought they with would come in and close guantanamo, shut off our efforts in iraq and afghanistan and they have been much more measured. i am concerned about the leaks but that is a legitimate investigation of it. >> how do you see the administration to be cooperative? you are talking to the attorney general. what can be done so that can operate on an even level? >> i think one thing my committee needs to do, when we get cooperation make it well

understood the transportation department has been very cooperative. even some tough hearings on tsa has been something where we got. there are complaints how they scored energy jobs, green jobs. we had good dialogue. there have been a lot of times we worked together. certainly the scandal in secret service and gsa these those were done by full cooperation by the administration. i think just as much as the situation with attorney general holder is one where we don't reach agreement. that is the nature of every administration. it's an important point. every administration think they should do it without interference while congress has an obligation to look over the shoulder and be independent. >> how many people voted for barack obama in 2009? actually a whole lot of you. what advice would you give the chairman? >> i would encourage you to use

those same techniques and accountability skills to look at your self, in congress, not just you. eliminate some of the backlog. eliminate some of the by partisanship. >> i would like to see similar accountability for big banks, it's great that you of having oversight in the federal government but i think we given the bank failures, it's a fact no one has gone to jail. >> does that piss you off? >> yes. >> what about holding -- that is ultimately our government entity that is suppose to have that relationship with the banks and ultimately the fed props up the banks. >> we're almost out of time. one shot what makes me angry is what gsa did. the trips. the flagrant abuse of tax

dollars. how many would you say it ticks you off. what are you going to do about it? >> among other things, we have cut the budget for this kind of travel, not only we cut it but the president by his own order has cut it. we are making quantum changes in how much to be spent on that. on top of that data act is going to make it transparent to the public about where this money is being spent. we think that is most important. >> host: do you agree with it? do you want to continue? >> do you make them pay the money back? >> sadly you can't but one person at the center of it all is charged with spending some money illegally. >> do you all agree? thanks. [ applause ] >> and when we come back, we'll take your questions and congressman rob andrews about budget and healthcare.

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posted sanctions. they claim it's for peaceful purposes. >> firefighters are battling wildfires. light rain in colorado helped cool one of the most destructive wildfires in state's history. full containment is expected by sunday but there are dozens of large fires being burned in nine ates. at least six people have died and hundreds of homes have been destroyed. authorities are keeping a nervous eye out for illegal fireworks. now back to american roundtable. >> wear joined by congressman rob andrews from new jersey who has the distinction to be one of those that can work across the aisles. let me ask you this -- what frustrates you the most about washington right now? anything at all, what frustrates you? >> campaign finance. >> why is that? >> i think members of congress

raise money rather than working on issues. >> what frufs you the most? >> the government and washington to become so broken. they really don't have a solution. >> stop the damn spending and then don't buy bribes for legislation. >> the gridlocks, nothing can get done without cooperation and it's not working. >> the challenge right now you got a republican house, a democratic senate and democratic president. they complain that nothing gets done. how do you get something done? >> i think the challenge is more people got to be unafraid to lose an election. >> do you agree with that? >> yes. >> people want to vote the party line because they are afraid of losing the primary. some may not agree with this i voted for the so-called simpson-boles proposal.

>> how many of you know that is, raise your hand. how many support it and how many oppose it? >> a lot of people think in my party because it restrains social security and medicare it's a bad thing. if we don't get the deficit under control if we don't look at the entitlements. if i'm more afraid of resolution an election of bankrupting the country, i don't belong here. >> i would appreciate if really felt that way. we heard about the frustration. we heard about the things and we heard from congress they are saying, is it really the media. >> i think it's us. it's really easy thing to blame someone else. we were elected to make these decisions for the country. if we are not willing to say

something to make our own party or to risk a vote, again i don't think we belong here. that is not frank's fault, for not standing up and cast the votes we should. >> this is the first time i've been accused as part of the media. >> i meant it as complement. >> i took it as an insult. >> people need to sacrifice something. whether entitlement issues whether it's taxes. people have to give stuff up. nobody in politics wanted to tell people they have to give stuff up. >> that is really what the simpson-boles was. they said social security benefits are can going to grow. medicare co-pays is going to be higher. people have to pay more taxes in certain circumstances. that is great way to lose an election. what we are doing right now is a great way to ruin a country. just spend and print money and both parties are guilty of it.

>> who is dialing him up, raise your hands. >> can i take them home with me? [ laughter ] >> that will cause another problem that you don't want. >> and how can you truly be a representative government if you've been in your office for 20 years? do you really reflect the people that you are representing? >> every two years, look, i think you can get stale and get tired. the best antidote is competitive elections. i knock on doors and go to street fairs and go to businesses and talk to people. if they don't think i don't belong, every two years they have a chance to do something about that. sure you can get stale but the way is to get out with people and listen what they say and justify your positions. >> the thing about the election

cycles. every two years, they are always worried about the campaign donors and the p.r. people and campaign people is off script. you don't feel what they really have to say. >> i won't blame the media because you are part of it, frank, you won't take it personally. media coverage of politics is coverage of professional wrestling. who ever is the most bizarre or loud will get more covered. so if you watch the evening news the people screaming with each other will be on there, but the people sitting quietly how to solve things, you probably don't know their names. that is not the media's fault, but i don't want you to get the i am presenting that its freak show. there are a lot of serious people in both parties and

trying to make the country better. >> because we're celebrating independence, i'm curious, second row, give me a phrase to describe the media. >> show biz. >> entertaining. >> ratings. >> biased. >> biased. >> good news, that is yours. >> what would you tell them. >> as a way to close this to give them a sense of a stake in the future. we can restore to make america great? >> don't vote for anybody who doesn't answer a specific question you ask with a specific answer. if you say to someone how would you reduce the federal budget. they say, you know i love america, 4th of july is favorite day of the year -- or they say let's five richest people and tax hundred percent of their income, those are not serious

answers. if you ask a specific question, demand a specific answer. if you don't like the answer, vote for the other guy, but if you don't get a specific answer, don't vote for that person. because we let people off the hook when they say, would you reduce the military budget. the answer is either yes or no. if the answer is would you change medicare operate, the answer is either yes or no or how they would do it. >> do you agree with him? >> yes. [ applause ] >> would you vote for him? >> yes. >> thank you. >> i'm not going switch districts but i might switch, two. [ laughter ] >> thank you very much. when we come back. eight republican house freshmen, stay tuned. ♪

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on this independence day, it's important to recognize how america reinvents itself from generation to generation. there is a 11% job approval rating for congressmen and what we have done we have brought with us eight members of congress. great freshman class to explain why you are supposed to bring

about change but the numbers are still low. you are going to have the opportunity to take them on. i wanted to see it. this will be the ultimate accountability. why is it that congress still has a 11% job approval rating? >> my concern is this. i'm a military pilot. i remember september 12th, of 2001, i think we can debated ideas and talk about our differences but not see eacher other as the enemy. that is why i have been burdened in this job because we're disagreeing because we are seeing as enemy. you are not enemy b disagree with me i think as americans we can united and get things done. >> you come from wisconsin. that is most divided and polarized in america. we have pulled ourselves apart. >> i think most people expect in those outer issues right and left you expect us all to fight.

what is happening, all these issues that come down in the middle that we should agree on that is common sense 'american issues that we should move forward. i think people sit home, what is the problem? why are moving the common sense ideas forward and reserve the other issues for a big fight. >> give me one phrase to describe congress? >> pathetic. >> polarized. >> ridiculous. >> pitiful. >> this group is hopeful. what about congress overall. >> pathetic. >> broken. >> pa they had i can i can is number one word they use. >> we are divided as a country right now. so we represent the people in our district, but there are people from all over the country and we have different views right now. it's a very critical time that we do find those common ground where we can come together and move forward. certainly, i know we were sent

on a mission as freshmen to pull our country back from the brink of financial collapse. we are working hard and part of the fighting freshmen class. >> i would add a word and i would say frustrating. i think the american people frustrated. i can tell you as a brand-new member, i am extremely frustrated. there is so much i would give my life for this country. i'm marine myself but when you are polarized like we are that is one of issues but the country is divided. bringing that back together is a long arduous process that doesn't happen overnight. we have been polarize forward a while and we need to bring it back together. >> can you blame them. is america polarized? >> i believe america is polarized but it's because our leadership is. my first question comes up every time i hear someone like you say that, are you willing to step up

off the party plantation and do what is right rather than what you are told to do? >> we have two sets of problems. one, the almost insurmountable condition with america with deficits and debt coupled with the group that is supposed to fix it or preside over it has like a couple of boxers have retreated to their corners. they are so divided. i think that is why so much of the american public has a low opinion of congress and loses hope in our ability to fix things. >> i don't think that america isn't divided as people think. i think we are unified by tremendous financial problems. a lot of us are affected by the housing bubble. a lot of us are affected by unemployment. that uniting us as american people, i feel like congress is

divided in terms of dealing with the tremendous financial burdens that we as united americans are facing today. >> i understand that. someone who is a single parent who raised their daughter. i was a police officer. i understand what a lot of americans are going through. that is why it's very fluffing to a lot of us here when it becomes so polarized. when we came to congress, we came with your message the american's people's message not one party or the other go, but the american people. we said we need to get the deficit under control and get americans back to work. americans wanted to work. that is what we do. that as a freshmen last is doing that but it's the polarization that all of us don't agree with. we believe we are all americans. >> what would you ask them if you could? >> i just think as a regular

middle-class person, when i turn on the television. i read about a proposed bill that is before the congress wants to propose. i'm thinking, okay, so congress is going to pass it. house is going to pass it. it's going to go to the senate and going to die. it's like, why? why are we doing this. >> elizabeth, what would you ask them. >> you are representing americans but what are you going to do differently to prevent the divide that seems to happen when congress stays in session. >> basically, yeah, are you willing to do what obama claimed he was going to do in 2008 is unite the country? >> i want to say to that. one of the things i feel like is happening in congress, and i think in the executive branch and senate and house, somebody said it earlier. lack of leadership. people have to be willing to

stand up and say, look this may not be the best sound bite to get on the news. this may not be the thing that en deers me to the right or the left. one of the things. in 30 years, they are going to say america is great but was stubborn itself into mediocrity. >> we're going to have one last shot on independence day to hold them accountable. the toughest questions and what americans mean to our elected officials. stay tuned. what can i get you ? cheeseburger. you know what, got any salads ? b-ball, anyone ? and then take your leg wide out to the side. you can do it, dad ! thanks, girls. i'm really proud of you, dad.

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importantly. how many of you are middle-class. raise your hand. it looks like all of you. two more questions. how many would say you are better off than your parents when they were your age? who feels better off? three-quarters of you. how many believe the kids or the next generation will be better off when they get to be your age? raise your hand. one person. what is wrong? we should be celebrating america only one person is optimistic for the future. >> i think this is basically a snapshot of america. people are frustrated because each and every one of us wants to make the country better. i'm terrified that we may be the first generation of americans that don't do that. so when i decided to run for congress, i got a ten-year-old and eight-year-old and five-year-old. i didn't run to be a congressman. i came to do some thing and get

things accomplished. as a small business owner, when there is a problem with the business, i gather people around the table and what is the solution. i think we in washington and washington that is broken which is why we are here to fix it. we need to put people before progress and we can find things that we disagree about. i'm sure if we focus in the areas that we agree, that is where we're going to move things forward. >> let me ask you, is it congress? is it politics that is broken or is america broken? how many think politics is broken? isolated it to politics. are they the problem? or are they the solution? >> i would agree it's politics. i have six children. we came here to fix $15 trillion debt. we have a budget. you all agree with the budget we put out. raise your hand if you agree with it? the rest of you then disagree

with it. so i would ask you, if you going to have some kind of compromise, some kind of solution and the president doesn't put out a budget that doesn't balance. if the senate doesn't put out a budget out, we can't do our jobs. we need other people on the other side of the aisle put out our ideas and republicans and democrats can debate, come together with a solution. if the democrats aren't doing their job in the senate and white house we can't get a resolution to a very serious problem. >> my question is, polarization, it's a decision of individual members. so if you are going to work with the other side, can you give us an example where you think the other side is actually right and your party may not be on the right side? >> first of all all i do think there is an opportunity for republicans and democrats to come together. selling off the waste that we have. senate has a companion bill, we

have bill on veterans jobs get our veterans back to work. there are things we can agree on. we need the leadership to come between both houses and have a president, i want that bill and send it to me. >> that ljtd and fair? >> speaker boehner has a jobs bill but where are the republicans bringing this message? i haven't heard one republican talk about the jobs bill. why aren't you talking about it? >> i think one example. i do the lot of messaging. i just sponsored start-up act 2.0 which is great opportunity to keep the talent that we desperately need right here in america, something i'm very proud of. i think it's something that we are missing in this message. the world has changed. we are world of soundbites, 30 seconds and it makes news.

you aren't seeing it when i am working on democratic colleagues that makes sense, you hear the polarization, so i think media has a big play in this, as well. >> you come in one of the most bipartisan districts in america. >> let me talk about the jobs bills. we have been talking about the jobs bills. what i say almost all of those bills came with bipartisan support. some of the financial services committee which few of sit there passed with over 400 votes. and they went over senate and passed. >> did you notice? >> it's the discourse. media doesn't promote the fact and i worked on those bills in the financial services committee. over 400 votes, that is not what they are picking up. >> how can you get through to them? >> we need to continue to make our message heard.

through social media we do that. small business act, there was two-thirds support from the house and it's not going anywhere in the senate. we have fresh jobs bills on the armed services committee and national defense we need to come together on. i'm hopeful that the senate will act. >> how many of you are optimistic about the future of america, raise your hand. tiny percentage. you either are or aren't. how many of you are optimistic about the future of america? we sit among the great art here, i don't know if this is artist steve hendley. you look at this and this represents america. one of the great challenges is for you all to find a we wai to capture the optimism because in the end this country is only free and independent if you are engaged and