no balderdash when writing "the factor." thanks for tuning in. we're definitely l you. >> tonight the obama campaign says it disagrees with the very supreme court ruling that found obamacare to be constitutional. hi, everybody. i'm monica crowley in tonight for sean. the surprising revelation that the president is unhappy with the high court's decision came this morning during an interview with a top spokesman for the obama campaign. take a look. >> his spokesperson sitting here with me said it's a penalty. supreme court said it's a tax. what does he believe? >> that it's a penalty. you saw our arguments before the supreme court.

you've seen what this the president has said over the past several years, that's a penalty. >> so then he disagrees with the supreme court decision that says it's now a tax? >> that's right. he said it's a penalty. you saw our arguments before the court. >> your argument before the court honestly also said it could be -- one of the side arguments, kind of like the backup argument, was that it was a tax. so i did see the arguments before the supreme court. >> it never referred to it as a tax. it said that it was a penalty. >> it's a tax, it's not a tax. who's on first? unfortunately for team obama, we have audio proving the mandate was repeatedly referred to as a tax during those very arguments. while the president is trying to figure out whether or not he agrees with the controversial 5-4 decision, governor mitt romney is clarifying his opinion as well. this after one of his top campaign advisors stated he believes the mandate is not a tax but a penalty. that comment did not sit well

with conservatives, including me, and including eric boling who will join me in just a moment. first here's the governor correcting the record. >> well, i said i agreed with the dissent. the dissent made it very clear they felt it was unconstitutional, but the dissent lost. it's in the minority. so now the supreme court has spoken. while i agreed with the dissent, that's taken over by the fact that the majority of the courts said it's a tax and therefore it is a tax. they have spoken. there's no way around that. you can try and say you wish they would have decided it's a different way, but they didn't. they concluded it was a tax. that's what it is. the american people know that president obama has broken the pledge he made. he said he wouldn't raise taxes on middle income americans. >> clearly this is an issue that's not going away anytime soon. joining me in studio with analysis of this requesting debaton going debateare the coh"

eric boling and kimberly guilfoyle. let's take a look at something president obama said just today. >> i believe that in america nobody should go bankrupt because they get sick. i'll work with anybody who wants to work with me to continue to improve our healthcare system and our healthcare laws, but the law i pass is here to stay. >> note that he said, "the law i passed" not "the law that congress passed." >> he has a monarchy, that's how he's behaving. >> classic obama huh malt. humility. it's interesting given the fact that a big majority of the american people hate this thing and want it repealed. >> right.

it doesn't seem to matter to him, because no matter they're going to get it done, they don't care what you'll call it. now it's not. now it's a penalty. they just want to get it passed. this looks like he was able to get something accomplished. he doesn't listen to the will of the people. he doesn't care that in fact it's going to be a tax. the high court said it's a tax, a tremendous tax burden on middle-class of america. >> eric, isn't it true we should take the chief justice at his word and call this thing as a tax? after all the evidence is in the fact that the democrats that passed this invested the enforcement power with the internal revenue service. the irs -- the tax man now is going to be running your healthcare, and they deliberately made it so in the bill. this thing is a tax. >> we should take chief justice roberts' opinion that it's a tax, but we should also take the obama administration's brief to the support who called it "a tax law" fully integrated into the tax system.

ben labolt said saying at no point did any of the government lawyers say it's a tax is completely wrong. they briefed the court saying it is in fact a tax. guess what, monica, chief justice roberts agrees with the obama administration, it's a tax, let's call it's a tax. >> you know what, you guys, during the legal arguments -- kimberly, you're an attorney, you know this before anybody -- justice scalia said you're going to come back and claim it's not a tax. the fact that they did vest the enforcement power with the irs tells you where they're coming from, but during the political debate none of these democrats pushing this through were willing to call it's a tax, because that is so politically toxic they all ran for the hills. now you've got vulnerable democrats like claire mccaskill and so many others who refuse to answer the question. they don't want to even deal with the fact that now it's a tax, that's what they have to run on. >> that's not popular, right? when you go out to the people, saying we're going to tax you, it's hard enough during this economy, we're going to take more dollars out of your pocket, the last thing they want to do is call it's a tax.

is this an administration and presidency you want to endorse, that will sit there, lie to your face, change their mind, do whatever takes it to get something through with regard to your personal finances or the financial health of the country? you decide. >> eric, isn't that the point? i want to get to governor romney in a second. isn't the larger issue here, that we're in the weeds as to whether thinks a tax, a penalty, as to what the chief justice meant. shouldn't governor romney and his surrogates be out there every day pounding this truth, which is that obamacare was never about healthcare, it was about government power and control? >> we need to also -- we're failing on the right. we're not pointing out exactly why this is a tax. the penalty/tax portion of it is a small part of obamacare. it's the 1%, 2%, 3% who decide not to sign on to healthcare and they get penalized for not doing it. it doesn't make up a lot of money. >> but wait a minute. >> hold on, let me finish.

that's only one piece of the story. there are 21 new taxes in the obamacare bill that are going to cost the american bill $675 million, planning the tanning tax. it's a tax. taxing charitable hospitals. most importantly there's a 3.8% additional windfall tax on investment income that people didn't even know about. i mentioned it to donald trump the other day. he said, this is going to stop businesses, stop people from investing in american businesses. there are taxes all over this law. >> yeah, that's right. so far we already have 13,000 pages of new regulations supporting these new obama taxes. let me challenge you on this point. i think that the whole objective is to get this country to single pair, so they don't care if you have health insurance or not. in fact, they would rather you didn't and pay the tax because that -- >> a whole new revenue stream. >> exactly. they're so disingenuous. isn't anyone appalled by this?

how do they get on the air and behave this way and lie straight to everybody's face? yeah, we'll take it any way we can get it, valerie jarrett. wait a second. it's a penalty. the president disagrees with it. if he disagrees with the court's decision, don't put it through. i mean, seriously. repeal it. >> eric, you've been tough on governor romney. i think politically governor romney -- setting aside the economic issues which are disastrous with obama tax now -- but politically nome has to defend a highly unpopular bill and defend the massive tax hikes that come with it, right? it took governor romney a couple days to come out and call it's a tax, right? he's been given this gift and it took him so long. look, if he's trying to protect him from romneycare, here's the deal. nobody cares what happened in massachusetts. we're fighting for the life of the country and the survival of the constitution. let's get with the program, right? >> yeah.

actually i wasn't tough on governor romney, but his press secretary, who said immediately the governor doesn't think it's a tax, it's a penalty. i said, look, this guy should take the next few months off, come back the day after the election. there was an opening. we had obamacare repealed. we had it. it was done. it was a done deal. they somehow figured out a way to snatch a loss out of the jaws of victory. then there was a win afterwards. romney's moment to take it and go, look, this is a tax, it's the largest tax increase on the american people, and they fumbled it. they called it's a penalty. so they really -- what they should do honestly, monica, governor romney should file the whole staff and talk to governor walker or chris christie across the river, say who are you working with? can i hire them, borrow those guys for the next four or five months, because that would probably be the thing that would push romney over obama in november. >> kimberly, just very quickly,

does governor romney need to be more aggressive here? >> if you check out the polling, the general sentiment, yes, they would like to see some vigor, kind of what newt was doing, getting after it, not afraid to go after president obama specifically with his policies. that's why i was saying the other day, he needs to get a strong surrogate in the form of a vice president that won't be afraid to do that, otherwise there's trouble for november. >> passionate and what i call the

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journalists referring to the roberts' court as "hard right court." listen. >> if the supreme court overturns the law the court is once again showing its hand as a rad dal branch of government, full, hard, right wing judicial activities. >> what happens if it's struck down in part or whole by a 5-4 decision? would that underscore how dysfunctional is, the major institutions of our government are? that's a nightmare for the political class in this country. >> he doesn't want to strike down something that's passed with 60 senate votes, a majority of the house, signed by the president, with the full mandate reflected by the people in the election of 2008, to strike down something like really seems radical. >> chief justice roberts is very concerned about the public perception of the court, but not enough to vote some different way. >> so they were going to war with the court before the decision, brent, starting with the preemptive strike.

>> yeah. this is more working the refs. david gregory i thought i had the most striking comment when he said that a 5-4 decision which show how dysfunctional the country was, how it was a nightmare. do you think david gregory would have said -- did he say 5-4 when it was upheld? did he go on the news that night and say it was a functional decision and nightmare scenario? only a nightmare if it goes against them. >> exactly. they all changed their tune once the decision came down. watch. >> let's talk about chief justice john roberts. today lawrence tribe, the harvard professor who can say he taught barack obama and john roberts at harvard law school said that with this decision crossing over to join the liberals, roberts might have saved the institution. >> today's hero, chief justice john roberts, who walked to the

forefront of history and said yes to progress and no to the role prescribed to him for the right. let's start today by looking back at this bold, defiant, grand decision by mr. roberts and his supreme court. >> there's already no question, this case changes the john roberts legacy. yesterday he was seen as another partisan on the court. today in the most dramatic case of the john roberts career, he changes, he breaks the mold. >> so suddenly, brent, the chief justice is the leftest hero, right? >> you know, monica, at what point do you start laughing at chris matthews? i mean, he says -- he calls him a hard right conservative, dismisses him as being a radical. 24 hours later he calls him a hero. he says he's bold, defiant, grand. all of a sudden the superlative comes out just 24 hours before you dismissed him. which one is it, chris matthews?

>> i do not know how these -- >> how does he do that ace straight face? >> you do great research. i don't know how they gone tv with a straight face. one of my favorite bits of leftest insanity was from cnn's brooke baldwin. listen. >> obamacare lives. republicans did everything they could to chip away at the law in the two years since it was passed, and many were confident the court would strike down the individual mandate. so for them today's ruling has to sting. senator roy blount is one of those republicans rooting for obamacare to fall. senator, yo welcome. you lost in 2010 when the law was passed, lost again today, yet would you pushing for the repeal of this law. doesn't that make you look like a sore loser? >> i'm so happy that brooke baldwin is there to tell me i'm a sore loser, how i feel about

this decision. this is the creativity left wing editorializing, right? >> she's done a victory lap on this one. she's relishing the victory that she was a part of in fact. you know, you ask yourself, okay, if it had been turned down 5-4, would she have then called obama, who you know would have repealed this, saying we'll take this to the voters in november, blah, blah, blah, would sheff se called him a sore loser? before the vote they were besides themselves in anger that this thing might go down. then they needed smelling salts after the vote when it turned out they won again. >> and, by the way, you know, her phrase "sore loser," i wonder if ms. baldwin, anybody else in the left wing media, invoked that phrase when governor scott walker won his recall election, and ut you had

leftest journalists like ed schultz weeping on the air. >> let's talk sore losers. cnn should look at their ratings every month, see how their in last place against fox news. maybe we should call them sore losers and maybe they should go off the air. >> probably the reason they're in last place, pulling up the rear, brent, is because of this left wing editorializing. >> absolutely. >> brent, always great to see you. >> you bet. >> coming up, a sitting congressman says american schools should be modeled after madrafas. and we'll remind our viewers of some of the incendiary comments ♪ i'm making my money do more. ♪ i'm consolidating my assets. i'm not paying hidden fees or high commissions. i'm making the most of my money. and seven-dollar trades are just the start. i'm with scottrade. i'm with scottrade.

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tonight on our great american panel he's a senior editor at our daily caller, and he is the author of capitol punment and a weekly columnist for wmd. guys, welcome. great to see you. and i want to start with something that happened back in late may, which is just now coming to light. democrat congressman carson, he is a democrat from indiana also one two of muslim members of congress, made these comments to the islamic circle of north america. listen. >> america, will never tap into educational innovation without looking at the model that we have in our mdadrafas ask schools where education is

encouraged and that model that we're pushing and some of our schools meets multiple needs of students. >> julie, let me start with you. is there a democrat on the panel, here is a democrat saying american schools should use islamic madrases as a model and the foundation of the american education should be the koran. >> i don't think the foundation for schools should be any religious institution, whether it's koran, bible, torah, whenever, you know, i don't think that religion has any place in our schools what so ever. i know there are going going to be people angry at me for saying that but i don't think separate of church and state entails, and look, he was dead wrong to say the koran should be the basis for this.

no religious should be the public for public school autos we've been talking about islamic infiltration of the west including the united states. the group to whom he's speaking islamic circle of north america associated with the muslim brotherhood which has groups operating in the united states. their purpose to undermine america from within, install sharia ask so on, here is a u.s. member of congress advocating this in our schools, your reaction? >> when i think of innovation i don't think of madrases. they might have been something different in 13th or 12th century but now they're memoirizing the koran and that is all they do. two thirds are in the studies this doesn't need to innovation, it leads to stag nation, which is unfortunate. and now, as you said this group was loosely associated

with the muslim brotherhood. muslim brotherhood has different organizations throughout the world. and you know to, what extent will they try, and will they be successful at infiltrating america? >> but again, the tactics. this isn't a crazy guy on a box on 57b8gth avenue this is a u.s. member of congress speaking to a group just a couple weeks ago. doesn't this raise concerns about infiltration we've been talking about and being concerned about? >> i think it raises concerns about his sanity. if he thinks basing our education system on the koran is where we should be going when you look around the worl world... >> jamie, think he's sane. jack, let me ask you, he's talked about a direct quote, some of them meaning tea party members of congress now, of the tea party movement would

love to see you and me, meaning minorities hanging on a tree. he says he's invoked jim crow recently. here is a guy throwing fire bombs from his perch in the u.s. congress alle. >> this is a republican he was saying these kind of remarks and getting up and saying that the bible and christian studies or jewish studies should be basis of education. he'd be run out of town on a rail. what speaks volumes here is the silence from the part of everyone nels terms of condemning this guy. he has something wrong with him in the sense he's probably in the wrong congress. he should be in the congress in iran. >> or egypt. and julie, jack raises an interesting point. where is the condemnation? there is another muslim member of congress, keith ellison. he hasn't said anything. how come you don't have members self policing and

saying this is outrageous? >> i'm a member of the democratic party and i think it's outrageous. religion has no place. and jack, i do disagree. we have plenty of republican members and democratic members down south saying there is no reason we shouldn't have religion in schools. nobody is running them out of town on a rail. >> and there is to say schools should have no values to basis of the judeo christian tradition on which this country is founded. 84% of the country is chris chichbl the values in the bible are very important. >> what values? >> what values? don't murd yes, don't steal. >> but those are not judeo christian... >> that is also part of the koran. >> and actually to read -- . >> jack. jack. i couldn't want to get into

international studies with you. you and are both in the same religion. there are old testament beating and stoning women. come on. come on. >> and there is a conference the purpose of defending sharia law. i studied it in graduate school. it's something i've looked noo. there is no society that would want to live under. i don't tnk he would want to live in a society that practices what sharia law preaches. if a woman is raped they can stone her to death. why was he at a conference defending sharia law? >> the point is that he was advocating this indoctrination to our children is about getting to kids when they're young, getting into public school systems. that is the point. i think that what makes this... >> there is no place for that or any kinld of religious indoctrination. the values, don't kill, don't steal applies to all religion

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i think most americans would like him to stop betting with our money ask stop spending. >> i agree. i think the tour is not only to promote his economic policies which are hard to promote. i don't know why he's focusing on the economy. but to try to take mitt romney fr a patient businessman. have you to show what you've done as opposed to tearing your opponent down or american people are not going to see a reason owe reelect you wow. that is a "wall street journal" editorial. >> thank you. >> saying that romney is tearing down obama and it's not going to work. we've heard that time and time again. so there is when the economic kme is in the doldrums it's hard to show. >> and what is president obama running on here? what is his platform? what is his message for a second term? because so far nobody heard

it. >> nobody heard it? >> he has not articulated what the second term would look like. i think he hasn't done that because if he told the american people the truth they'd run, screaming. >> well, i think for any -- you're running in the fact you're going to continue what you've done so far. you may not agree with it, polls show swing states he's in, ohio, pennsylvania his message is resonating and unlike mitt romney when he was not busy kayaking has not said anything against holding the "wall street journal" editorial, not talking about what he's going to do and except saying i'm not barack obama. >> don't you think that might work? >> apparently not. and there is record breaking spending, deficits and debt. anemic economic growth, high

employment and very unpopular socialized medicine. how is this man running on any of that? >> there is some of the same nightmare that will continue in the second term, only he won't have elections to bind him just as he sits with the russian president and said just let me give through this this and i'll give what you you want. i'm pleased about the bus tour at least he's not using air force one, he's on greyhound one, and it's a little cheaper for us and this is opposed to taking the family on a plane costing $200,000 an hour. and i think we ought to celebrate that. >> let's take a look at latest rnc web ad. >> do we have that? there it is. >> they have driven up the debt to $8 trillion, ladies and gentlemen, who are these

guys? where do they come from? what do they -- what right do they have to say to anyone, plrly to us, that they know how to manage our money and the economy? >> and joe that was biden in 2008 talking about how this previous administration has run up the debt. it's pressing up against $16 trillion here at the end of obama's term. julie, isn't this the height of hypocrisy? >> well, i mean it's not like he was able to, i don't know get rid of the medicare prescription drug plan? or not like he was able to pull out of iraq and afghanistan. not like he didn't try to do something fiscally to lower the deficit. so you know... >> i've got to challenge you on this. president bush left the

deficit way too big. a lot of that was the first installment of the tarp payment. brom om brom quadrupled and added $5 trillion in three year autos he's continued work bush started he couldn't end those overnight. and the medicare prescription drug plan which was a huge unfunded give away. >> are you blaming republicans and president for a short -- for the prescription drug plan? >> well, what is he supposed to do? >> how about do when he promised to do? cut it in half? >> i think he tried. unfortunately... >> come on. i love you but democratic congress first two years. >> yes. >> and $16 trillion in debt is just the start of it. you have $80 trillion in unfunded liabilities that haven't been addressed. the president has not put forward a credible debt plan to reform our entitlements. republicans have by voting for

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>> welcome back to "hannity." penn jillette isn't shy when it comes to talking about his thoughts on politics and what role government should have in our daily lives. his book "god no" is now out in paperback. recently sean sat down with jillette and got his thoughts on the presidential race and much more. >> the one and only penn jillette. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> this may be a crazy exercise i'm going to do today. >> okay. >> you were on the program, said who are you going to vote in the election after you did the infamous rant on obama. >> a.m. with the marijuana. i said probably gary johnson. >> right, but you do know that gary johnson has zero chance of winning? >> right. i tried to explain to you that

if you always vote for the lesser of two evils in game theory things get more evil. the thing that -- the lie that's perpetuated is that we have to have a two-party system. and all we have to do -- as a matter of fact, if all the people who don't vote, who vote for third party candidates, aren't satisfied, just decide to vote for more freedom, that will change. >> first of all, i don't buy into your premise. everything you're saying is predicated on the less of two evils. >> oh, yeah. >> i think you have two very different, very distinct candidates with distinct visions for the country. >> not to what i care about. neither one of them wants to seriously shrink the government. the difference is haven't got a problem with who's in power. i have a problem with the power itself. the president has too much power right now. >> i agree with you. >> having wars that are undeclared, even if -- >> war was undeclared. >> we haven't declared any of the wars we're in since, what,

korea? >> no. if you read our constitution doesn't say you have to use exact words. >> right. >> congress authorized the use of force. doesn't say you have to say, we declare war." >> the president is making these moves. the president should be much more of a figurehead. congress has been so frightened to take that power back. >> you got the executive and the -- >> right. i think the executive branch is getting too powerful. >> io not for the same reason. >> even if are were the best president possible, even if everything he did were perfect, you're still going into this expansion of presidential power which has gone on with clinton, bush, and obama, are doing more and more to take care of us. we should consider ourselves adults, we should consider trust the citizens of the united states to take care of themselves. >> i like what you're saying, that people should be responsible. i agree with that, agree with that. but if the option or the choice

is to repeal obamacare, the nanny state, you agree with that. >> oh, yes. >> and are say romney says he'so pull back regulation, reduce spending, work with paul ryan, get on a plan to balance the budget. ryan has already produced a plan to deal with entitlement spending and the third rail of politics. i don't think if it's going to be perfect, but infinitely better than the $1.5 trillion of debt we get every year. >> you think he would get rid of power? >> if he doesn't, we don't save the country from becoming greece. >> if we decide we want someone to give people more freedom, i believe that both obama and romney think they know what's best for other people. i believe they're pure hearted. i'm not cynical at all.

>> you're a libertarian not arguing to legalize drugs because you want to use drugs. >> i don't want them. >> you've never tried marijuana. >> never. >> never had a drink. >> never. >> never had a cigarette that you smoked. >> i do fire eating, so i have to -- >> never smoked a sunset. >cigarette.>> never smoked a ci? >> never. >> you're the exception to the rule for libertarians. you know that, right? >> i do know that, but the most important thing is the government to allow more freedom i want for myself. morality has to be a subset -- the most important thing is that people in this country feel like they're living legally. there's nobody in this country right now that can say with complete confidence they are doing nothing illegal. we have too many laws. what you need to do, is if you are a good person, you should have no fear of the government. it comes back to the al capone thing, oh, we busted him on

income tax invasion. you don't want to feel good about that. you don't want to feel good that the government can bust anything on anything they want. you want to be able to do good things. much smaller laws. my son, when he gets to be 12 years old, should be able to understand everything that's illegal and everything that's not. there shouldn't be this huge amount of illegal things you can do. someone who is a good person should have no fear of the government whatsoever. >> all right. i lost this debate. go waste half your vote. >> i'll waste my whole vote. that's what i'm going to do. >> up next, suzanne somers reveals to sean what she says is the fountain of with the spark cash card from capital one, olaf's pizza palace gets the most rewards of any small business credit card! pizza!!!!! [ garth ] olaf's small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase, every day!

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her new book "bombshell: explosive medical secrets that will redefine aging" is in stores now. sean sat down with suzanne somers to talk about this and much more. >> sean: you redefine aging. every time i see you better, you look better every day. >> i'm 65. this year i thought, when i turn 65, when i was a kid, people at 65 either retired or died. i'm nowhere close to that. this is a book about how you can age well, because the way we're aging now is not so pleasant.

>> sean: it's horrible. bring me more to your side the more i talk to you about health and medicine. breast cancer for women, prostate cancer for women. 1 in 8 women get breast cancer. most men will die with some level of prostate cancer. you say -- go ahead. >> i'm so excited to tell this. i sat next to this doctor at a dinner party a couple years ago, from harvard. >> a urologist. >> on the faculty of harvard. we got along really great. he called me earlier this year, and he said, i think i got something you'll find interesting. i said, let me turn on my recorder. he said, i just finished a small but important clinical trial where we are giving testosterone to men with active prostate cancer. none of the men in the -- >> you're giving them

testosterone? >> i take rub-on cream. >> but you're a woman. you would think that this would be -- >> women have testosterone. it's a ratio. to be a man, you have testosterone -- >> i need it. that's what you said to me. suzanne somers, sex symbol, goes you need to testosterone. thanks a lot. >> because of the hours you keep, the stress of your life, it blunts hormone production. you live in new york city, stressful. so why wouldn't you take a blood test to see where your testosterone levels are? this is not about manhood. >> do you believe in human growth hormone? i do. i take it. >> and testosterone cream? >> and cream. >> where do you get all this stuff? >> from my doctor. everything is done by lab work and doctors. >> why are doctors reluctant to give what you're talking about? >> with all due respect -- i

love doctors. with all due respect, though, even today as we speak, they do not teach about hormones or nutrition. they spend approximately four hours learning how to prescribe hormones. so unless you've chosen to specialize in hormone replacement -- i'm talking natural bioidentical -- it's like going to a plumber for a heart bypass. >> you say this is about reversing aging. >> yes. >> you talk a lot about in this book about increasing your libido. a lot. i know you've been married 44 years. >> i know. >> but you say it has a dramatic impact. i mean, because i've been around you, you have the energy of a 30-year-old. >> i do, i do. i'm so enjoying aging. >> i am not. i hate it. >> you got to do what i tell you to do. my husband's on testosterone. he wasn't absorbing the cream, and so now every monday we give him his testosterone shot.

>> do you give it to him? >> i do. that's monday. well, i think men want to know about, this because men aren't going to ask their doctor. if your doctor doesn't know about it -- it's not me saying it. it's doctors that i interview. about 15 years ago my husband started sleeping, falling asleep at -- before lunch, after lunch, while i'm making dinner, after dinner. >> good for him. >> i said, you're getting like our old cat, sleeping all the time. get your hormones checked. he went, and his levels were exceedingly low. they gave him his testosterone shots -- >> and he was fine? >> his cream back. he was like -- you know when a vase of tulips runs out of water -- well, that's a bad -- you put water in the tulips, it comes back. i don't mean that, but it brought him back -- >> started to sprout again? >> he's sprouting nicely. >> wow.

from the prostate. >> can i say one more thing? >> this book intrigues me that there is -- there are things in here that make me go, wow, that's pretty interesting. >> yes. >> you know, a lot of people struggle with old age. my biggest problem is i play tennis and my knees and ankles hurt. i sound like an old lady because something is always hurting. >> you probably need hormones. they hurt when you were making optimum levels of hormones? did you ever get hit on the head as a kid? fall off a bike? >> i fell off a roof, three stories. >> okay. so what happens -- this happened to my son, run over by a car. when you get hit on the head, and a lot of kids do, it jostles thepy t pituitary. it would behoove you to take a blood test. >> i think that's great. my wife may end up killing you

if it works. >> have her take it, too. >> she can get a shot every tuesday. >> it's great for marriages after all these years. it's great. >> you've been 44 years? >> 44 years. really love him. >> it's "explosive medical secrets that redefine aging." >> i couldn't put a resource section in, because there's too many doctors so there's a resource section called foreverhealth.com where you can find a doctor like this, into this kind of thing, in the city or state nearest you. >> and finally tonight, my brand-new book is out. "what the bleep just happened? the happy warrior's guide to the great american comeback" now in its second week on "the new york times" bestsellers list. thanks to all of you who have already gotten a copy. if you would like a signed