please, always remember that the spin stops right here because we are definitely lookingute -- looking out for you. >> sean: 119 days are all that remain before you, the voter, have the opportunity to make barack obama a one-term president. now, if that election were held today, the mainstream media would have you believe this guild down to the wire because according to one brand-new poll, they say it's tied up. according to the latest poll, it is a dead heat between mitt romney and the president, receiving 47% of the vote. but i closer look at the results shows that the poll included 33% of those who identified themselves as democrats and only 24% of republicans.

now, that is a 9-point margin and despite that clear advantage, a majority of americans say they disapprove of the way that president barack obama is handling three critical issues. number 1, the economy, where 54% oppose the president and only 44% support his radical tax-and-spend agenda. number 2, health care, the key domestic issue, 52% disapprove of his handling of the issue. remember, that's with a 9-point democratic advantage. on immigration reform, a mere 38% near his corner and a majority, 52% oppose the administration's rufusal to secure our borders and more telling, 63% of those polled believe that america is headed in the wrong direction and only 33% say that things are on the right track. tonight, hear from rick dana peo and greg gutfeld. but first, governor sarah palin. >> it's an honor.

>> sean: first of all, 9 points advantage. they out-poll democrats to republicans. the headline is dead even, 47-47. seems to me that, my conclusion of this is that, well, mitt romney's looking pretty good in that poll. >> well, he is. the more time that mitt romney has to get his message out, the better it is for him. when voters start understanding that middle-class families have seen the decimation of their net worth to the tune of 40% under barack obama and monumental fiscal failures are really the hallmark of this administration, the more time that mitt romney has to get those facts out there, the more you will see the polls change. >> sean: but that 9-point split, there was a 7-point split in 2008. that sample used by the washington post assumes a democratic advantage over republicans in 2012 will be 20% better than it was in 2008.

do you think this is purposefully manipulative of the media to put out something like this? >> no question. absolutely. that's par for the course, though, with the -- manipulation of the media's message. you know, they -- like they did 4 years ago, sean, they chose their one and they did all they could to usher him into the white house. we are going to see the same tactic this is go around. i think voters, though, are wiser, perhaps, this go-around nunderstanding that the media does manipulate information. the filter that the media is is something that a politician, a candidate has to be extremely astute in -- kind decimating that filter and getting through it so that -- the public has the correct information. >> sean: all right. the way i see tgovernor, tell me if you agree or disagree -- it seems that the president and his

campaign have decided on three areas of attack. they are going to smear the words, quote, kill romney, is their strategy. smear romney. they are going to use class warfare. and the president also has now decided he wants this to be about taxes and it's joined with the class warfare issue. when you -- do you think the president has a chance, every democratic president that has won in the modern era -- bill clinton for example and president obama hid his radicalism in 2008. they didn't run hard left. do you think the president can win using class warfare? >> well, the more people that he has feeding out of his hands, the better it is for him, of course. and when you consider that 49-50% of americans are not paying taxes and they are reliant on the government for their income and for benefits, that bodes well for the extreme left, who wants to grow government and take awipeople's

awipeople's -- away people's freedoms and entrepreneurial spirit. that's what this is all about. the more people who are reliant on barack obama and the democrats, the better it is for them. but no -- president clinton -- shoot, barack obama had even said just a couple of years ago, a few years ago, that increasing taxes at a time of economic woe is the worst thing that you can do. yet, he has flip-flopped on that along with many other issues and decides he will increase taxes, allowing the bush tax extensions to expire. and that's going to really negatively affect our small businesses, which of course, is the economic backbone of this country. >> sean: you know, it's interesting, cartener '76, clinton in 1992, they ran as southern governors, blue-dog democrats, if you will. obama did a good job with the help of the media of hiding his radicalism. let me go to the attack smear

issues. this is the very latest and it's amusing. you can see the democratic operatives regurgitate the same lines. but i want to ask you how you would respond if you were advising the romney campaign. let's roll the tape. >> i would like to see mitt romney release more than one year of tax records because there have been disturbing reports that he has a bermuda corporation that no one knows anything about, investments in the caymans. he has a swiss bank account. >> you get a swiss bank account to conceal what you are doing or you believe the swiss franc is stronger than the american disl. i have never known of a swiss bank account to create an american bridge or job or build a levy to protect new orleans. >> he off-shores most of his own personal investment, presumably

to shield them from taxes. >> we learn from the associated press that governor romney has ray bermuda business. he transferred it to his wife's ownership, the day before he game the governor of mass so he wouldn't have to put it on an ethics form. this is the most secretive candidate since richard nixon. >> sean: this is the latest distraction, war on women, the dog. bain capital. do you think the romney campaign should respond to all of this? >> you know, i think that governor romney should vigorously defend his record and the fiscal decisions he has made as a private citizen. but we need to remember and romney needs to remind the public and the media that his private bank accounts are not the problem -- that is not what is the economic demise of this country. it is the -- what barack obama

believes and theb makes manifest in our country with the monumental failures that replicate the socialist nations that he seems to want to emulate. >> sean: it is funny -- remember when ronald reagan said, well, there you go again. it seems that, they're so desperate, they will say anything at this point because they can't run on their record. let me give you an example. by the time october comes around, you know, people will be rolling their eyes because it's so transparent what they are trying to do when the president's willing to go this far and make things och -- things up about his opponent. >> this republican budget proposal is something different altogether. it is a trojan horse. it is thinly vailed social darwinism. my plan says we are going to put teachers back in the classroom, construction workers back to work, rebuilding america. and then you -- their plan,

which is let's have dirtier air, dirtier water. who are these 50 million americans? many are somebody's grandparents. some are middle-class families who have children with autism or down's syndrome. these are the americans we would be telling to fend for themselves. >> sean: i don't know whether to laugh or cry. does doesn't that wreak of desperation, governor, to you? >> well, it does. consider the source, though, sean. read bam bottom's auto biographies that he wrote before he accomplished anything. he made up things in his books and the media, by the way, didn't vet him. composite girlfriends and composite experiences that shaped him. so, you know, it should be no surprise, no wonder that he makes things up today and the lap dogs in the media go with him. but the accusation of mitt romney not being transparent with his private funds and where

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um. >> sean: we continue with sarah palin. it does seem that the president has decided to make this campaign about taxes. we are going to have two back of the back-to-back largest tax increases with obamacare and the bush tax cuts for a million small businesses in the countedry ending. >> it's unfortunate that we have a president who has really never had any experience in the

private sector, has never worked in a small business or a large business to understand what it takes to create jobs. virtually everything the president has done has made it harder for small businesses to open their doors and to hire more people. that's true of obamacare, his tax policies, the fact that his he's increased regulations by three-fold, the number of regulations he has put in place, the policies he put in place did the opposite what have america needed. those people who are wondering whether they want to re-elect him can stop and say, has anything gotten better in america by virtue of this president's policies? the answer is quite plainly -- no. >> sean: how does the president make the case that he has made the economy better? can he make that case? what does he point to? >> he can make the case by making things up. but the numbers speak for themselves -- [chuckles] >> they say that american middle

class has seen the decimation of their net worth by 40%. i am glad that his strategy and the brilliant pundits in the beltway who are strategizing with him have decided to make the campaign about taxes. that's an easy one for this fiscal conservative to understand that we are taxed enough and growing government is not the answer to anything. in fact, growing government is the problem. barack obama is the leader of what the problem is all about. that's growing government. >> sean: look at how bad things are. unemployment in the african-american community is over 14%. over 11% in the hispanic community. youth african-american unemployment 50%. we have a downgrade the first time in american history. federal spending of gdp, deficit, debt, is the highest since world war ii-- the highest. homeownership is the lowest since 1965. government dependency, the highest in american history.

fewer people paying taxes than we have ever had in history. it seems -- and $5 trillion in debt. the president can't run on that. what would be the best message for governor romney to bring out to say, i will do "a," "b," "c" and "d" and this will fix the economy and get it on the right path. what message would you advise him? >> he already has the right message. that is that the free market works best and the constitution is the fine blueprint to take us toward a more perfect union, as opposed to barack obama's idea of growing government and taking away our freedoms and quashing that entrepreneurial spirit. romney has the right message. it's just a matter of governor romney being very, very courageous and bold and passionate about that message. again, he's got to get through that filter of the mede media, which will be quite difficult because 90% of the media is so far left, they are a lap dog for

barack obama. romney has said before, he doesn't want to have to light his hire fire. there are a lot of his base supporters, independents who are saying, well, light our hair on fire, then! remind us how important it is that we get engaged in the presidential election because it is the election of our lifetime. we saw in the 2010 electoral victory special we saw in the wisconsin recall victory, where the right was victorious there, that the base, the independents, the key party patriots need to be energized and get out to vote. otherwise, the right is not going to be able to get in there, into the white house and reverse the course that barack obama has put us on, towards bankruptcy and insolvency. >> sean: last question, governor. four years ago, you were selected and you didn't know you were going to be selected until four days until you were. you didn't know you were being vetted four days prior, which is

a pretty amazing story. the names i hear, portman in ohio, rubio in florida and paul ryan, who will be on this program tomorrow night, from wisconsin. good choices? >> they're all good choices. they are. and i think that. governor romney will probably fley safe, relatively speaking in terms of finding someone who is a known commodity so the media doesn't do what it did to me, making things up and thrashing somebody's reputation and record in order to distract from what the election was supposed to be about. those are good names. there are other great names out there batted around. you know, i look forward to seeing who that one is, who can assist governor romney in moving forward. >> sean: all right. as we get closer, we will bring you back and ask you what advice have you for that person, as you lived through that whirlwind. we appreciate you being with us. >> thank you so much.

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>> now the mayor of scranton, pennsylvania, is making waves by slashing the pay of almost 400 municipal employees, including himself, to the federal minimum wage, saying there is not enough money to pay full salaries. he has cut the wages of police, firefighters and others to $7.25 an hour, all in an attempt to make up for the northern pennsylvania city's $16.8 million budget deficit. now, the unions in the city have filed multiple lawsuits against the mayor and have asked for him to be held in contempt for violating a judge's order to pay the full wages. joining me to talk about scranton and much more, the co-host of the hit show "the

five," which is celebrating their one-year anniversary tomorrow, which happens to be my sister's birthday. greg gutfeld and dana perino. >> >> sean: congratulations dana agreed. you were in the same -- i met you -- we hit it off from the day we met. we were friendly. you were on the show often. but i had this image from "red eye. you talked about the cultural issues, but you are smart, funny, far more politically aware than i ever thought. >> this scares me. that means that everybody who works at fox thought i was a miscreant who was half in the bag. >> sean: disco look at the cast? >> i blame them. i was the sensible one. but, no. we did -- we did a lot of smart stuff on "red eye," but it was overshadowed by the subversive.

>> sean: you can come a long way from the secret at the white house that -- >> yes, that we are never going to say oir. >> sean: to celebrate the one-year anniversary tomorrow of the break-out cable hit show of the year. just have a little -- a little praise for "the five." [laughter] >> hello, i'm your talking tadpole, she can charm a squirrel off a nut truck. she's america's sprinkled donut. she's america's pez dispenser, dana perino. >> yes, greg is sick. a sick individual. >> greg is being a you knowism i am not saying dana's small. but this morning, did he her step aerobics a lego. >> do you think you are on the short list? >> i skip to work, i skip everywhere -- >> that's because your legs are so short, it helps you get there

faster. whoa! >> not cheerful. >> got voted most grumpy and cheap. >> we saw the real dana perino, a monster! have you seen a steak at a normal four- or five-star steak house. they are the size of dana's head. >> his ears are not the same size, like greg. >> sean: you are like brother and sister. >> it's amazing when we were asked to do the pilot -- we had never met and so he's like the long, lost brother i never had -- or wanted. >> i thought that was beckel. >> she refused to do "red eye." >> well, i didn't. first of all, i thought it was live at 3:00 a.m., and i go to bed at 9:30 or 10:00. i had a bad perception. -- i don't know about a bad perception. >> like, i don't know. on the floor i. don't bring that up. i remember going up to you in the front of the building and i

said, hi, i'm greg gutfeld from "red eye," and it was like you smelled something bad. >> sean: you never invited me on the show i. i invited you so many times. >> sean: no, you didn't. >> ask him now. >> >> sean: let me go to scranton -- >> very rarely do we hear that. new york lost in the census 3.4 million. billions left new jersey before governor christie. wisconsin has a big battle and the mayor can't raise taxes and everyone's getting paid minimum wage. >> this is tough medicine for everybody to swallow. what i admire is that the mayor took the pay cut as well. he is trying to preserve the estate and their ability to meet their demands for fire fighting and police and teachers. he had to make tough choices. the unions are going to fight him-- where are they after scott walker? i see a difference up to this point? >> well, i think that scott walker will be the change,

right? he'll be the hope and change for a lot of places that think we can make a difference and reform by people giving just a little bit, we make things more sustainable in the rong -- in the long run. >> in scranton, there are great bar there is. being an expert on-- you just reinforced -- no, go ahead. >> i know last calls. what we are seeing is the union's last call. it's 2:00 a.m. and the bartenders are scott walker, chris christie and this guy -- these are the guys putting the chairs up on the bar saying, i'm sorry, you can drinks but not here. it's over. it's sad because these people are getting hurt. i used to attend bar. >> sean: that was my job, put the chairs up alt4:00 a.m., not 2:00 a.m. here's what i got out of wisconsin. what was so reassuring about the recall vote failing was that the message was sent, if you balanced budgets, you would be rewarded politically. >> in the private sector folks, they are going, we had no idea that our tax dollars were going

to pay for people to get these guaranteed pengs long term. i understand that's what the unions negotiated. i don't think they negotiated in bad faith. but they negotiated under terms where they thought they would have a lot of more people living there. with the economy the way it's been and the changes we have not been -- realized that were promised, you end up with municipalities having to cut workers. they don't have enough people making enough money in order to feed the budget that they have. then they have responsibilities. they can't print more money in scranton. >> sean: that's a good point. it is going to have, i think, big repercussions around the country. hey, both good friends, as is everybody on "the five." congratulations on the first year. it's the break-out hit. when are you going to invite me -- i have been on "the five." >> no, you came on the phone and you came on greg's monologue. >> that was the worst moment of my life.

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>> sean: that was an election that seems to be tightening every day, you would think that president obama would want to shore up his base. well, that does not seem to be the case. the president will not be appearing at the naacp convention. instead, he is sending vice-president joe biden and eric hold or his behalf. mitt romney will be speaking at the convention tomorrow. but with the unemployment rate among black american it's look at that -- 14.4%, why is the president choosing not to appear in front of a community that overwhelmingly supported him in 2008? here with reaction, radio talk show host with sirius xm, david

webb and michael myers is back with us. 14.4%. the african-american youth unemployment is 50%. barack obama got 90% of the african-american vote. >> yeah, so? >> sean: does he deserve to get 90% this time? will he be able to pull that type of number? >> something has happened to the black population, black american population. that is they have become racialized, they have become what they have been preaching against. they will vote for barack obama because bam is black. >> sean: will some stay away that were caught up in hope and change? >> some who were caught up in the hope and change rhetoric and hee see he is a hypocrite, they will not vote. but it won't matter in new york because new york always goes democrat. >> the fact is, you are right. i hate to agree with him. but i have to agree with michael.

jokingly, but all joking aside, the blacks that were vested were vested because of the clarion call black first president. they didn't vet his policies. this is a socio-economic problem, not a racial problem. those on the lower runnings of the social ladder, blacks, hispanics, illegals, less of a dollar down there, now seeing lack of upward mobility, high unemployment-- the highest unemployment, david, in 27 years. >> and continuous, continuous. but sean, add to that, they have seen the failures of big government. all right? bad schools. bad motor vehicles. bad social institutions and why are they not staying away? they have been racialized. you can't paint the whole community with one brush, but the evidence is overwhelming, that they circled the wagons -- >> >> sean: all right. let me refer to the washington post article.

the essence of it is with the obama recession and that's my interpretation of it -- but they say that it will devastate african-american families, the community for decades. this is all the liberal policies about the community reinvestment act, whether you can afford a home, they forced banks and lending institutions to lend to people that they did not have the ability to pay back. they lowered the standards and the community that is being hit the hardest by foreclosures is the african-american community because of liberal policies. >> well, the fundamental question from that point is that, why is romney going to the naacp convention? >> sean: why not? >> it is not relevant to the black masses. they don't care about the unemployment -- [overlapping dialogue] naacp has become a hate group. they hate any group that disagrees with him. conservatives and republican who is don't agree with them, they hate them -- use the word hate?

>> they hate them -- >> no, actually, there is an element of that on the national level because i work with the local groups and leader who is are disgusted with the national policies. why should romney go there? don't take any american's vote for granted-- i agree with you. >> go to the lion's den, tell them why policies based on socio-economic it's. >> it's a no-win [overlapping dialogue] >> sean: what's the worst that can happen? >> let me tell you why it's a no-win for romney. i think he needs advice about what to say to the naacp,-- no, no, no -- [overlapping dialogue] what he should say is this -- just because people want to secure the borders don't make you a racist. just because people want photo-i.d.s to vote it doesn't make the equivalent of the poll

tax. just because people want justice and equality-- i have -- >> limited government -- wait a minute. just because people want limited government doesn't make them a racist. he should tell them, the tea party is not racist, standardized tax is not racist racist -- >> sean: i disagree with you. i think he is going to be romney. if romney is himself, i don't think he can lose. he's reaching out for every vote. >> you think he's going to talk about the same-sex marriage? >> sean: i think he should. >> i am telling you, if he goes in there and says just because someone's religious -- didn't make him a bigot. >> sean: flip side of this, if he is not treated well, as an invited guest -- >> he'll be treated well-- meaning boo'd. >> it's happened before. >> if it does, tell hurt the naacp, tell hurt their image. >> they will give polite

applause. he's being used. naacp wants to look nonpartisan. burr they are not nonpartisan. >> sean: why do you say it's a hate group? those are strong words. >> they hate everybody and everything to which they don't agree with you on. simple. >> their objection to school choice, one of the key things that solves problems in the black community-- that would help. >> and leadership has failed. >> they passed with the resolution of eric holder today. i say they are a hate group. [overlapping dialogue] >> i think you should come to my show. >> i'm a liberal! >> sean: time to check in with sust -- greta van susteren. i'm sorry i went over last night. it was my fault. >> greta: you will be duly punished in the future. in the meantime, looking over my

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>> tonight on our great, great american panel, you sit in beckel's seat and you are causing trouble before we even start. you are sitting in his chair. i pointed out. former governor of the great state of maryland, author of the book, turn this car around, robert ehrlich is there. a fox news political analyst is here, kirsten powers. she is the author of black-lash. and bor is here. let's listen to your favorite

radio host besides me, mark levine -- >> i listen to him every day. >> sean: tax hikes are triggering a mass exodus from your state of maryland. >> let me ask you something, jerk! how many jobs have you created in maryland? how many people have you chased out of marry lapped? you big dummy. that guy in-state tuition for illegals he's pushing. this guy's right down the line, leftist. you people in maryland, you happy with this? with this jerk! mitt romney bets against america. mitt romney created more jobs and his folks did at bain capital than this guy could ever dream of. >> sean: why are they leaving? >> taxes. >> sean: and everything mark was saying. >> that's how they vote. i don't want the count tree follow suit. that's the bottom line. >> okay. i assume most of these people supported the war in iraq and

the afghanistan war, which cost us about $1 trillion. but they don't want to pay taxes to pay the massive debt that we have? i mean, at some point, people have to step up to the plate and pay down the debt -- >> we are not talking about wealthy people. this is the middle class, southern pennsylvania -- driving -- that's florida. >> well -- west virginia, virginia, delaware, southern pennsylvania, it is taxes. maryland tax policy -- [overlapping dialogue] >> new jersey. new york lost -- >> california, millions. same thing. this is not unique to maryland. this is a certain scream factor here. you can only go after wealth so often and then people go. >> what's the tax rate? >> wait a minute-- if i left new york -- >> on somebody who makes $40,000 a year-- if i move to florida, where the weather's nicer, i pay 15% less the first day i arrive. >> if something making $40,000 a

year is paying 50%, that's crazy. they should be raising taxes on the highest paid, millionaires. >> millionaires are getting squeezed. >> sean: the job creators. >> that's correct. >> sean: but that's not -- >> that's why they are fleeing the states that have the high taxes. if you look at texas, for example, they don't have a state tax. they are great for businesses and jobs. so millionaires are squeezed and when they are leaving the states, you are left with people who are paying lower taxes, because they are making less money -- >> chopping the rich off -- >> it's all great. >> what planet are we on here? >> millionaires are being squeezed. that's ridiculous! [overlapping dialogue] >> when the wealth leaves them, you can't tax them. that's the problem. >> look sf. if they would be realistic, we have an out-of-control debt, in the state, nationally, and paying high taxes for a couple of years

to help this -- like they are going to run to another country-- obama gave us $5 trillion in new debt. he got everything he wanted -- >> bush administration gave us plenty-- bush gave us 4 in 8 years and obama -- [overlapping dialogue] -- 3 1/2 years. >> it's done. it's done. we need pay it down. that's want an excuse for rich people to avoid paying taxes. >> sean: what you are missing is -- [overlapping dialogue] >> tea party is for millionaires -- >> no it's not. >> once the wealth leave, it's mobile. >> when are americans going to come together and say, we have to pay this down? there are not enough cuts. there are not enough cuts that we can do -- >> i-- can i say, my background in the construction industry, i was hired by wealthy people. my background in the service industry, bartender -- might surprise you, i was a dish

washer i. i am not surprised. >> sean: for years. you know what isn't people who had money spent money. i had a job because of them -- there is a mentality on the left that if we take more and take more, what happens is that people who are smart and have money and they move to states with lower taxes and this is the problem. >> that's what i am trying to address. i am not like "those people" you are talking about. i dont have a problem with wealthy people-- you want more of their money. >> what i want is our debt to be paid down. i don't do it with some joy. i agree to do economic growth. but what i am saying is that if people would say, just for a couple years, we have to pay higher tax rates and try to get our debt paid off. >> sean: the government is borrowing 40 cents of every dollar. >> we have 50% of americans not paying federal income taxes. everyone should have skin in the game. they have broaden the base and everybody should be pay ago. >> that's insane. i'm sorry. if you make $20,000 a year or

$30,000 with children should not be paying the same rate as somebody -- >> that's not what i said. >> those taxes never come down. everybody knows it. that's the problem. >> okay, if it's want the same rate, why do you want to take money from somebody who has little kids with hardly any mony? >> who said that? >> sean: dirty air, dirt water. we will come back. brad pitt's mother has gotten death throats because of her political happy birthday! thank you, nana send money to anyone's checking account with chase quickpay. all you need is an email address or mobile number. you're welcome.

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>> we continue with our great, great american panel. forget brad pitt. we have been having a discussion about v.p. selection. who would you like? >> someone with the... with the conservative main-- names. i want names. >> marco rubio, perhaps, could be someone who could fill that gap. >> sarah palin. [laughter] >> sean: you are -- you know -- [laughter] >> sean: just when i am beginning to like you again. >> i really like rob portman a lot. >> sean: you are saying this for the governor's sake? >> wait a second. that's absolutely true. romney is a very good friend. love him. chris christie, macdonald,

neighboring state, virginia, pretty important. >> sean: i think it's going to be portman? >> it is. i think it's a good choice. >> sean: last time i said to you -- i am probably going to pay a price f. it's portman, he will never give me an interview. >> that's not true. >> sean: i like him. i have been on stainless steel with him. he's a smart guy. good with the economy, worked with the bush. i am only concerned, vice-presidential, part of the role is to go out and attack. vinever seen him in that role. this is a media age. and i never see him on tv. >> that's a fair thing to say. that's not his personality, obviously chris is terrific-- cheney was -- >> look, this field is strong, quite frankly. all the names you mentioned are really good friends, they are good choices. >> sean: you are ducking. >> that's not true. but the bottom line is, ohio is really important.

it's real important. >> sean: i agree, it's really important. he's the most popular politician. i think jon kasich in the end will be. he's making a recovery with 100,000 jobs. >> i was on the kasich for president band wagon? i know. if governor romney picked who, who would you fear the most? >> i don't think the pick makes that big of a difference, but they need to do no harm. i think that marco rubio is a very attractive candidate. but i think he will get the sarah palin treatment. and he will be put through the ringener a way that i don't think a rob poortman would. boring is not good. >> sean: he has as much experience as barack obama. >> i am not saying it's right. but i think he would be such a threat. he's young, he's hispanic. he is the future of the party. >> sean: democrats are going to try to attack -- first of all, i have been with him. he's brilliant. he is funny -- >> he's threatening--

he's threatening. he brings florida -- it's a slam dunk. as portman would take ohio. >> but it's a bigger issue -- [overlapping dialogue] >> sean: have you to win thome both. have you to -- romney has to win them both. >> you are right. ohio is tough. >> sean: i wouldn't take that for granted. you can't take florida for granted. >> to say that rubio is so good, he's threatening, which make its more difficult to put him on the ticket. that's a compliment. but i think you are right. >> the other thing that is important for the conservatives to hold on to the house and the senate-- with conservatives. i agree. all right. so, if it's portman, you said you know him. does he have the dynamic media personality that he can go on the attack and start hitting politically obama and biden hard? i don't want somebody saying, well, he's not doing