jimenez is a fox news alert. fox -- >> kimberly: this is a fox news alert. 12 people are dead and 71 people injured at the shooting at the packed midnight premier of the new batman movie last night in aurora, colorado. shooter 24-year-old james holmes is in custody and the investigation continues. the federal, state, local officials all involved. a bomb robot is now being sent to the suspect's apparent after investigators spotted trip wire booby-trapped and large bottles filled with an unidentified liquid. we go now to adam housley, live outside the movie theater

in aurora, colorado, with the latest. adam? >> reporter: we have a lot going on in the aurora area. behind me is the crime scene, still bodies inside and families still are not been notified about what has happened to the loved ones. the investigation is ongoing in the theater. century 16 theater. imagine a few hours ago. what was going on there. the ho horror people were seeing and dealing with. local hospitals, a number of surgeries going on as people treated for the injuries. 12 people killed. 59 injured from the gunman. not far from here, just three miles is a medical center here in aurora. two research buildings are still evacuated there. bringing in the bomb dogs. suspect worked at the research building and they want to ensure there is no bombs or devices there. so they have the dogs walking through there as we speak. supposed to be continuing throughout the night. i'm not sure if they reopen

it. probably wait until tomorrow assuming they don't find anything. down the street from the research building is the suspect's house. we're now told by authorities they may use their own incendiary device and put it in there, in to his apartment to try to set some of the booby traps off. they don't know what they are dealing with. they have had a number of bomb technicians, robots there. look and ladder trucks look through the windows, trying to basically dissect what has happened inside this suspect's apartment. we know there is a number of coke side bottles contained liquid. wires connecting them all. there are what look to be trip devices inside. we told while the suspect initially was cooperating, now he is not speaking to authorities at all. he lawyered up. so those are the three locations near here. now you have places to find out about the loved ones and police headquarters where the suspect is being interviewed. as i told you a moment ago,

he's now not cooperated we're told because he has a lawyer and stopped talking. there is a lot going on here, folks. behind me. we still, of course, have a crime scene there are still bodies inside. authorities are doing what they can to try and get the notification out to loved ones because it's important at this hour. everyone knows what has happened to their loved ones. back to you in new york. >> kimberly: all right, adam. it sounds like you have been able to get a lot of intel from the field, from the investigation that perhaps the suspect was making at least initial statements, cooperating with police. the fact they went to places of the employment, had suspicion there was explosive devices and things at that location as well. >> reporter: yeah, he was cooperating. took him in custody without incident. if you look behind me, that's the main entrance of the theater. if you walk straight in the front door and straight out the back, that's where his car was found. they found him outside the emergency exit, stand big the

car. all the weapons on him am second handgun, glock inside the car. not sure if he used that one as well. but basically, he went in custody without incident and was tuke them somewhat. they won't tell you what he was saying or how open he was. they told him enough to know he booby-trapped the apartment. so they went there right away. he told them other information as well, they are not going to confirm with us. we do know, we have had our people confirm the guns he purchased were in the area and purchased legally. atf is looking closely at all of that to ensure everything was done correctly. he did have a massive magazine for his assault rifle. one of the bass pro shops where he bought one of the weapons was down the street from here. he passed it on the airport on the way in to come to the location. a lot of information gathered. a lot more.ey have no idea how y rounds this suspect shot. that tells you how many rounds were fired. one went in to another theater through the wall. you have that going on. really the concern, two main

areas. behind me, it's sure to get bodies properly identified and people notified. the second location is an apartment. they expande expanded the evacun area initially with the apartment. they have one expansion that took the home immediately around the apartment complex. we're told they do it further. taking out more homes around that apartment complex. the idea is they may put their own incendiary device inside to set it off and see if it's active. they look active but they don't know for sure. >> kimberly: they have to have a forensic expert, specialnist there, people to take care of the devices that may detonate. it sounds like he had a lot of this planned out ahead of time. it's quite interesting. the question is how did he get all of this in place in time? how much ahead of time did he use it? >> reporter: true. somebody to ask that question. we have a guest walking up here. what is your last name?

corben dates. he can answer the questions. these are questions we have. you go to a theater, you know how easy it is to go out the emergency exit. some theaters encourage you to go out that way to get out orderly and clean the theater. the fact somebody would go out the door maybe not too controversial. i've seen it happen. recently when i went to see a movie. but he was able to prop the door open. there are questions. you said you saw before the movie maybe not the suspect but people had opened the door, letting somebody in. talk about that. >> i saw one person, a young male. he went, received a phone call. instead of taking it in the lobby. he exited toward the emergency doorway. he was talking on the phone. he was propping the door open with his foot for a short period of time. from what i can see from the crowd, it seems like he was signaling somebody to come in toward the area. of the theater. my friend told me she was there. i walked out and came back in. it seemed like the door was already shut. it's like it would be a good

movie night. 20 minutes in the film. the guy walked in that bac backdoor. the worst happened. >> reporter: we don't know if there is a connection between the two but what you have seen, maybe somebody sneaking in the theater. not out of a question for the big showing like this. so many people want to see this. there are four or five screens here that had the batman movie on. someone snuck in is not a surprise. but it shows it was possible to get in the door. you mention you're not sure if it's the same gunman. authorities said they believe he worked alone. so they belief at this hour. explain to me. you were sitting looking at the screen. you said there was the emergency door to your right. you saw him come in. you hear the stories, god forbid not often thankfully. when you do, you hear people saying i never thought it would happen to me. i froze. what did you feel? same thing? >> i did not feel the same thing. i don't believe things can't happen to me. things happen all the time but it's how you adapt to it and

plan to survive and get out of there. i stayed home the entire home. i didn't have the reflex to get scared or make noise or rush out of there as soon as possible. it knew if it happened that person would have take one person off one by one. it's best for me to stay on the ground. help those on the ground with me to calmly crawl out of there, stay calm. draw no attention that they possibly can. and everything should probably be okay. >> reporter: you talked to me off camera and gave me details, you crawled down, looked down and you tell the people around you to stay calm. don't bring attention to yourselves. dive out of the seats and make your way out. did the process seem like it took forever? >> when i think about it now, it seems like it took forever, we weren't necessarily trying to alligator crawl out of there. taking one small step at a time. there were moments when we have to pause, because we weren't sure where he was or where he was moving. it wasn't best to move fast. >> reporter: anybody shot around you?

>> not that i know of. the area i was, people were able to make it out safely. those were in the mider section and upper section of the auditorium got the most damage and injuries. >> reporter: you were down low. it seems like he walked in and shot toward the ceiling. looked at you and went up toward the crowded -- the whole theater was crowded but the condensed area? >> yes. possibly, found more condensed areas where people were scattered more, try to crawl up over each other and easy to pick them off one-by-one. >> reporter: speculation obviously on that. you went in the hallway afterwards. he returned back to the theater and calmly walked down the exit. >> yeah. people were trying to make their way out toward the door to lead to the lobby and they came running back in, the person was coming around the other side trying to pick off people trying to exit out in the lobby. so after we were for sure he was gone, we came to the lobby. we have didn't see anybody. we ran to the exit doors. it did not look back.

>> reporter: it has been 13, 14 hours. you've talked to me, you talked to others. you have been here for a couple of hours. ref counted the story a few times. i don't know if it will ever sink in. if you look back over the theater, what do you think? >> the tat, when it was first built, it was one of the coolest places for a teenager to go and have great fun on the weekend. as you are getting older, you have the memories but the memory stuck the most is what took place at midnight last night. i can't look at the building the same way again. i don't feel comfortable going near it or going near any social event for a long time. >> reporter: how many friends were you with? >> only with one. >> reporter: how is your friend? >> really good. >> reporter: appreciate your time. thanks again for coming by and talking to us. i know it's difficult in there. we're thankful you made it out. good luck. >> thank you. >> reporter: thank you. you hear the stories, all over, guys. that's, you know, it's one after the other, the story of

survive and how they got outism just heard from one of my friends, we heard from another one of his friends who she was in the theater this morning. two girls had gone to the theater together. one was shot in the leg. i just heard she has come out of the operating room. they took a vein from one leg and put it in the other leg to try to save it. they may have saved the leg below the knee. she had been shot in the knee. she didn't even realize it until they got to the hallway and outside the theater. she was limping but didn't realize to look down and like oh, my god, i'm shot in the knee. she has come out of surgery after three or four hours and we're told it may have been a successful surgery. again, still a lot of stuff going on. not only are the crime scenes here and at the apartment and potentially at the hospital still active, but you have the other hospitals dealing with all the different operations and patients that are involved in varying stages of recovery. back to you in new york. >> kimberly: we're hearing a lot of important, significant witness statements coming forward. straight through us on the

airwaves. we heard from another woman jennifer talking about she was right up close with the shooter. and you're with us now, eric talking about the shooter might have had an accomplish. there they're probably relying on information from the suspects. he might have said he acted alone, we don't know to take his word for it. certainly it sounds like somebody might have known what he was doing based on it was an elaborate setup in the theater. >> reporter: yeah, you know, they will look at all of that stuff. they don't believe there were any accomplishe accomplices. what that shows, if you go to a movie, it's not hard to go out in and out of emergency exit at movie theater. i have seen people snuck in shows i've gone to, it's big shows and it's crowd and you sneak your friend . i haven't done it but i've seen it done. i saw it five or six months ago at theater in los angeles. emergency exit at movie theater is different from a lot of places. a lot of them aren't alarmed. they tell you go out that way

because it's quicker to the parking lot and it doesn't clog up the entry way where people go t trying to go to anor show. even if it wasn't an accomplice, its shows people were going in and out of the emergency exit doors and it could have been propped over or put paper in there to reopen it later in the evening. >> kimberly: all right, adam. thank you for the update. we'll come back to you later in the show. when we come back, we'll hear from another eyewitness. tune in to "on the record" tonight where gretl be live on the scene. stay with us. [ donovan ] i hit a wall.

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he was apprehended with three weapons in the car. one was left at the scene inside the theater. weapons are as follows, they ar-15 assault rifle, remington 12-gauge shotgun and .40 caliber glock handgun. we believe those three weapons were used in the scene and another .40-caliber glock handgun was found in the car. we're not sure if it was also used in the scene. >> kimberly: that was our row police chief dan oates describing the suspect, 24-year-old james holmes looked like when he entered the movie theater last night. >> dana: we are learning new

details about the shooter and trace gallagher from los angeles has more. >> reporter: it's interesting. we now know that the suspect did not have a concealed weapons permit. he didn't have a hunting license. we have now learned the guns were purchased legally in gun shoppe in denver and aurora. you heard the police chief running that down, the list of fire power he had. semi-automatic rifle. shotgun and two handgun and buckets full of ammunition. police say when he entered that theater, he was dressed in all black. with bulletproof vests. helmet. gas mask. leg and gro groin protection. we have confirmed his hair was painted red. seemingly like the joker, except the joker's hair was mostly green. we now know he was mostly inside the theater before he went outside the theater and got his weapons and gear. then came back in. james holmes was from san diego where his parents still live. his father was seen boarding a plane to california this

morning. he did not talk to reporters at all. he nodded his head a couple of times. we have now confirmed the father has in fact touched down in colorado. he is suspected, of course, of this killing. he graduated in neuroscience from the university of california riverside. he spent a year at the university of colorado going toward his ph.d. in neuroscience. listen now to the chancellor of u.c. riverside talk about what he was studying there. >> neuroscience is one of our more rig louse majors in the biological sciences, biomedical sciences field. with that, they study obviously chemistry and physics, but also brain anatomy, physiology, psychology. how we all behave. >> reporter: the key phrase is "chemistry and physics" which brings us back to his boobytraped apartment. there are coke bottles filled with liquid. police and the bomb squad do not know what is inside those

bottles. the question becomes was this neuroscientist whipping up some type of lethal chemical mix to spring on police when they tried to burst the door open this morning after the shooting? again, the suspect told the police about the explosives. but since then he lawyered up and clammed up. >> dana: trace, this is dana. is there any indication from anybody that he was he was troubled or had a psychological disorder or anything like that? do you know anything about that yet? >> reporter: no. we haven't heard response on that at all. but the u.c. pres chancellor sad he was the honor student. top of the top. best of the class. easily got in university of colorado studying neuroscience. neuroscientists, right? these guys are bright guys. if you look at the way the plot was laid out, it was

meticulous. the entire boobytraping of the apartment. one of the neighbors said he put music on and the same song played over and over and they finally called 911. the song suddenly stopped a half hour after the shooting. the way that this was organized to go back inside the theater. we believe now that he took a phone call before the show started. went out in the emergency exit. somehow got the gear. and the weapons outside. made his way back inside and that's when he opened fire. no sign in his history or record that he had mental inability. in fact, the opposite. by all accounts it appears he was amongst the best and the brightest of the students at both u.c. irvine and at the university of colorado. >> dana: we have a question. andrea has a question for you. >> andrea: we heard a lot of details about what happened inside the theater from witness testimony. but do we know anything about how he was actually taken down

and captured? >> reporter: he was sitting by his car. that's the thing. you heard the police dispatch. it's for context, andrea, the police department in aurora is a mile away from the aurora mall. so they were there in a matter of seconds. the police chief said it was a minute-and-a-half. there were several squad cars on scene. the suspect was spotted out back. you could hear the radio transmission saying i think we have a suspect. he's out by the back of his car. he's just standing there. not like he put up a fight. he was standing there with weapons in hand. it's unclear if he actually ran out of ammunition at some point. that's why he never put up a fight. but not only did he not put up a fight, but he also said look, my apartment has got explosives in there. i don't know if he was trying to lure police there to set them up with the boobytrap or trying to confess he in fact did this. but before he clammed up, he seemed like he was very forth coming with a lot of evidence and did not put up a fightt

all. >> dana: bob, while we have trace for a few more moments, you have a question? >> bob: did i hear this correctly, that he dropped out of school? out of his normal procedure for the last six months? >> reporter: the last month, bob. he went to the university of colorado from september to june. so he completed one year. and then the university said the statement today that he was in the process of withdrawalling. they didn't give us a reason why he was withdrawing. he was in the process of. the apartment we talk about that was booby trapped he just moved in there a couple of weeks ago. the manager said when he moved in he wrote on the application he was quiet and easygoing. turns out he was quite the opposite. but they did not give a reason why he was dropping out of medical school. >> dana: trace, thank you so much. coming up, you are going to hear what happened in the aftermath of the shooting.

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our best available count on injuries right now is that 71 people were shot. and that 12 are deceased. two died at area hospitals. ten are deceased in the crime scene at this time. we are making best efforts to identify and remove those ten. >> andrea: that was police chief dan oates with the latest count on death and injuries from last night. let's now listen to the 911 call that came in right after the shooting happened. >> shooting at century theaters. 14 300 east alameda avenue.

someone is shooting in the auditorium. at least one person has been shot. but they say there are hundreds of people just running around. somebody is still shooting inside theater number 9, per an employee. >> someone is spraying gas in here, too. >> somebody is spraying gas. >> we got another person outside, shot in the leg. a female. they're all running out of the theater that was shot from nine. >> give us some gas masks for theater nine. we can't get in it. >> rescue as well. >> i need behind the theater. i got a suspect in a gas mask. >> suspect in a gas mask. >> i have three parties shot over here. >> white car in the rear of the lot. is that the suspect? >> yes. we got rifles, gas masks, now got an open door going in the theater. >> i have two victims on the

east side of the theater. i need an ambulance real quick. >> we need rescue inside the auditorium. multiple victims. >> i have seven down in theater nine. seven down. >> seven down in theater nine. >> i've got a child victim. i need rescue at the backdoor of theater nine now. >> secure. we're bringing bodies out. get someone to the back as soon as you can. rescue personnel. i got move and hit. >> andrea: truly terrifying stuff. >> bob: you know what amazes me how is 911 operators stay as calm as they do in the midst of that. that woman did not change the tone of her voice at all when other people were screaming. it's remarkable. >> andrea: they said that he started shooting about 15 minutes in to the movie. the first shot he fired was in the ceiling. everyone was in such shock. then they just started screaming "he has a gun." then it erupted in to chaos. a lot of people said that they thought it was part of the movie. but witness accounts say,

greg, it was the theater next door that they heard gunshots so they thought this was the premier. maybe this guy is a stuntman because they described him as looking like a swamp thing. >> greg: i remember going through a haunted house. where the act of entering the haunted house is part of the haunted house where the host ends up being the attacker. i wonder how long it took for people to realize this is not an act, this is real. bob and i were talking in the break about this. i mean, i don't know where we heard this. but did people actually think they were going to see the movie? like they were -- after the movie -- >> bob: neil cavuto mentioned it to me. i don't know if it's actual or not. >> andrea: one witness said jennifer seiger, the movie played throughout the entire shooting, no one stopped the movie. >> bob: you are from out that way. how close is it to columbine? >> dana: not far. used to be in the same

congressional district. congress district six. since broken up. it grew up to parker, colorado and spent time in aurora. my dad lived not far from the theater. colorado as a state disproportionately been asked to bear more heartache than any state should have to bear. if you listen to the responders there, they are calm, smart, they are going to take care of one another. they will pull together. there is a lot of community spirit there. but there is a lot of unanswered questions. i will say also, to praise the law enforcement folks. i thought that today from a communications standpoint that crisis press conference that they held was probably the best i have ever seen. >> greg: i thought the governor john higgenlooper the way he explained it and the way you shouldn't let aberrations of nature take your freedoms. i thought that's what people need to hear. >> bob: he is a former mayor of denver. the police chief is new york city -- >> dana: dan oates.

>> kimberly: they are well versed dealing with the tragedy but they are on top of it. what is key they were able to get information from the suspects right away to be able to diffuse the situation especially with respect the explosives. >> they handled it. excellent job. coming up, we go back to adam housley at the scene of the crime. stay with us. ♪ ♪ happy birthday! thank you, nana send money to anyone's checking account with chase quickpay. all you need is an email address or mobile number. you're welcome. take a step forward and chase what matters.

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[ shouting in japanese ] we work wherever you work. now, that's progressive. call or click today. i'm bret baier in washington. the big story here tonight is the bloody massacre that rocked the colorado community and the nation. one of the worst mass murders in recent history. tonight on "special report," gunman and military style tactical gear opened fire with assault rifle in a jam packed audience of midnight showing of batman movie. 71 people shot. 12 died. they arrested a graduate student with no record of criminal activity. they do not suspect terrorism. we have new details and extensive team coverage from

aurora. the tragedy forced the presidential candidates to last-minute changes on the campaign trail. reaction from president obama and romney. in another big story, syrian troops and tanks stormed damascus neighborhood driving rebels from their position. op analysis forces began new attacks in other part of the capital city. what is new there? "special report" starts at 6:00 eastern from washington. now back to new york and my colleagues with "the five." ♪ >> kimberly: this is a fox news alert. we have new information from the scene of the alleged shooter's apartment. fox's mike tobin is on the scene. >> reporter: hi, kimberly, hi, everyone. you can see this is the apartment behind me that we are talking about. you can see where the windows was broken out and first responders and the bomb crews trying to get inside the apartment and look around. you can see the big ladder truck out here. what you will notice about the ladder truck at the moment, s that it is -- [ loss of audio ]

boom crews describe at its a huge boobytrap, the apartment there. [ audio interruption ] there is all sort of thing to make a lot of suspicious material in the apartment go off. what they have done right now is backed up and coming up with a plan. we have sources telling us that the plan could very well involve counter explosion. explosion directed at the ieds. the improvised explosive inside of this apartment with the intention of -- [ loss of audio ] it means there will be a huge explosion coming from the apartment. i've seen it before with -- [ audio interruption ] >> kimberly: okay. that was mike tobin live on the scene with new breaking details from outside the shooter's apartment. now they are there to act on information they received it appeared from the beginning of this investigation. they obtained from the suspect before he secured an attorney. and is now no longer cooperating. from the beginning, the information that fox news has is the suspect said his

apartment was boobytraped. authority res responded to that location and con responded to that location and confirmed there were improvised explosive devices. mike tobin was going through and letting us know the option for the investigator for the team is to bring in trained professionals to use counterexplosives in order to fakely detonate the items they appear to find at the scene. they have backed off a little bit in the perimeter, because perhaps they have noticed there are other explosive devices. chemicals. liquid in filled containers. that is something they have to proceed carefully with and have to bring a team of experts in, including the f.b.i. that is cooperating in the investigation. we also have eric hunter who was a witness to this terrible tragedy joining us from colorado. eric, thank you for being on the program. >> thank you. >> kimberly: all right. we have a little bit of a delay here but we want to certainly hear what you have to say. tell us what was the first thing you saw happen.

>> the first thing i saw happen, we were in the movie. and as the gun battle started on screen, that is when we heard the first three shots. the first three shots came in throug we thought it was a part of the movie, maybe the theater was doing something special. we have sat back down. we watched the movie for 20 to 30 more seconds. seven to eight more shots came through. that's when we figured it's not part of the movie. at that point, i get up, i start walking down the stairs. i see blood on the steps. when i see the blood i turn around and i yelled to my friend, the rest of the audience, you know, it looks like someone has been shot. it looks like something is not right here. you call the police and figure out how to get out of here. after that, i walked down the steps. like over to the exit to see if we can get out that way. i opened the exit. i see two young ladies there. [ audio interruption ] >> kimberly: that is live

from the scene in aurora, colorado, where the terrible tragedy, the shoot og cured it. you witness, eric hunter was able to join us and tell us what in fact he experienced moments in the movie. this is a highly acclaimed movie, a big release expected. a lot of people attending the batman premier and he thought it was part of the special effects he mentioned. at first they weren't alerted anything was out of usual t usual. >> greg: the everything is so loud you wonner if it is part of the thing. what happens next? will you go to another movie? after 9/11 every time you got on a plane you looked around and you were never comfortable on a plane. that idea has been translated to movie theaters. perhaps crowded areas in general that you never really know. you are always vulnerable. >> bob: i never felt comfortable in a movie theater anyway i'm not going to another one. do i get it right. was there two levels to the movie theater? >> kimberly: yes. >> bob: he came in bottom

level and started to shoot up? >> andrea: he entered through the doorway by the screen. that is what they are wondering. this is typically a door that should be secured. did he have help? originally they said he acted alone but now we know he was in the theater, left and come back. it's all speculation. we don't have it confirmed but there are all the different accounts of how he got in. i am wondering with all of that gear, he had guns. he had masks. how wasn't this guy noticed? >> dana: amazing, too, if you look at the eyewitness that had a chance to join us, thank goodness he is okay. how calm and composed he is. how many witnesses they will interview to piece it together and prevent it from happening again. >> kimberly: in 20 to 30 seconds they knew something was terribly wrong. as you can see, late-breaking details coming in. live team coverage from the field. we'll hear again from mike tobin, adam housley and trace gallagher. keep it here on fox. coming up, president obama and mitt romney spoke about today's tragedy. you will hear from them when we return. stay with us. a better investor.

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this morning, we woke up to news of a tragedy. that reminds us of all the ways that we are united, as one american family. what matters at the end of the day is not the small things. it's not the trivial things, which so often consume us and

our daily lives. ultimately it's how we choose to treat one another. and how we love one another. >> our hearts break. with a sadness of this unspeakable tragedy. ann and i join the president and first lady and all americans in offering our deepest condolences. for those whose lives were shattered in a few moments, a few moments of evil in colorado. this is a time for each of us to look in our hearts and remember how much we love one another. how much we love and how much we care for our great country. there is so much love and goodness in the heart of america. >> bob: welcome back to "the five." that was president obama and romney almost there earlier today. bring in dr. dale archer, psychiatrist for from new orleans. thank you for joining us. you have done a lot of work in post traumatic stress disorder.

and i understand your sense here is that what we have to worry about is not just obviously the victims and their family, the people in the theater. but as the city of aurora is also going to feel the kind of stress that those people in the theater, maybe not as extreme as they are, but you expect the citizens are going to feel that way? >> the thing about post traumatic stress disorder we know about one in five, 20% of individuals that are exposed to it will develop the disorder. it will be varying in degrees of severity. the number one risk factor is how close to the event you were and how much stress you were exposed to. so if you were one of the wounded victims or one of the people that was there and saw the shooting, you would be at extremely high risk. on the other hand if you heard about it from outside or you saw people running outside or first responder going in, you are going to have a less likelihood of developing the conditions. it's related to the amount of stress you experience with a direct event. so, i think that the individuals that were

involved, they are going to need to get involved in some counseling very, very soon. >> bob: andrea? >> andrea: hi, doctor. it's andrea tantaros. how do you even begin to treat someone who was in the theater, someone so close to this? how would you go about this? something so serious as this? >> it's very serious. post traumatic stress disorder starts out with nightmares, flashbacks and reliving the event. this happens over and other and over in your mind -- over and over and over if your mind. if you let it go on, it can become chronic and become hard if not impossible to treat. the key, this is crucially important, get involved in treatment immediately. sooner the better. i'm talking about tonight or tomorrow. the sooner they start seeing a professional to deal with this, the better they will do. what you are doing, you have to uncouple the event from the emotions that goes with the event. that sounds hard to do but that's how the therapy works

in these conditions. earlyer the better. >> bob: kimberly, you have a question? >> kimberly: i had a question for dr. archer regarding the suspect. right now we have been discussing whether or not he had history of psychological or psychiatric problems. mostly we know he decided to drop out of medical school. other than that, it doesn't appear to be history of violent act or criminal record or any condition that he has disturbed mentality to do an event like this. >> i have to tell you. i'll be surprised if there isn't some psychiatric warning signs that will come to light here. psychosis, epizoites frennia, can be a sudden on set. it can occur typically in the late teens or early 20s. so it could be he was totally normal throughout his life. something took place a month ago for him to drop out of school. it suspect at that point he was starting to have some problems. perhaps hallucinations, perhaps delusions. we don't know yet. but again, i will be surprised

if there isn't something there. >> dana: doctor, outside of the people that witness the event, children or teams that are learning news of the event that might be worried to go to a crowded place or a movie theater, how do you help them deal with it if you're mom and dad at home watching the news tonight? >> that is a good question. obviously what you have to do is talk to your kids. as you should always do. you watch news as a family and this comes on. kids go wow, mom, i'm scared to go to movie. you talk to them, look this was a sick person, he was disturbed. you explain what happened. and kids understand a lot more than we think they do. so if you are honest with your kids and you tell them, this is one event that has happened in the last 20 years. in a movie theater. they are probably going to be okay. honestly in talking to them. >> bob: dr. archer in new orleans, thank you for joining us. when we come back, final thoughts on today. make sure to watch "on the record" tonight.

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citizen you offer sympathy and comfort. in the media, you find out what happened and you report. other than that, what else can you do? well, we know that there is always initial instinct for gawkers in the media to opine. but a good rule of thumb is to tighten those lips and observe. surely they can resist that urge and be patient and avoid the need to use tragedy as a platform for politics. no doubt that will come, i'm sure. perhaps there just is no answer to why. there are many, many bad and disturbed people out there, period. that will never change. so i'll take my own advice and shut up. dana, any final thoughts? >> dana: yes. i was thinking about the people who were evacuated from their apartment building, the surrounding area. they're going to need help. because they had to leave in a hurry. they don't have anything with them. i'm sure like the "denver post" is a great website to go and find out where there might be a faith-base organization willing to help people or the red cross or something. one thing, if you are asking

what we could do this weekend, the people to try to help because you feel so disconnected, that might be a way to feel like you are at least contributed. >> greg: nice. >> andrea: when i first heard this i thought poor colorado, again. we were just talking about the fires, it seems like they can't catch a break. the footage of the family members who have lost loved ones, a picture of a dad holding his head in his hands, loss his daughter. which is so sad. also, the shooter's parents. i think of them. when i saw them walk, his father, out of the house my heart just sunk. you know, we talked about worry and angst yesterday on "the five" there. must be so much in colorado. everyone keep them in your prayers and your thoughts. >> greg: yeah, i mean, the shooter had a schizophrenic break, the parents probably were the first to know. i don't know. tra dick. >> bob: i agree with that. about the father. i mean, sympathy i have for everybody involved, look at the father, it must be unbelievable. think of what dr. archer said

from new orleans. something must have been triggered with the guy a month ago. we may well find out that somebody was aware that something was triggering. that speculation on everybody's part. but something clearly triggered this guy off. and a brilliant young guy. i find that remarkable. that someone could turn that quickly. >> kimberly: someone so brilliant, one of the top, most competitive majors in the country, neuroscience and the medical field. dr. archer point were well taken. this is something like greg talc break orchitis frenni or schizoc episode. a lot more details. when they get in the house securely they will take computers or electronic devices and learn more. if he was having problems. >> bob: does anybody notice they haven't, all the time has gone by and not a person that knows him interviewed. >> greg: that will happen i guess over the next couple of days, i'm