celebrities are reaching out. one from justin timberlake saying saddened to hear of the tragic shooting. >> griff, thank you. >> thank you for being with us tonight. for the latest on the deadly movie theater shooting here had colorado stay tuned to fox news channel throughout the weekend. good night from colorado. captioned by closed captioning services, inc.

>> he told them about the apartment having booby traps inside then we're told he stopped talking when he got a lawyer and at this hour, authorities say he's not speaking to them. so they're now dealing with the suspect going through an attorney. they did get information out of him early on. and at this hour, we have active crime scene, bodies being taken away. and coroner taking them to the morgue and families being notified there is an eerie scene inside we're told, cell phones were ringing and no one, of course there to answer them. cell phones dropped by those fleeing and those also are the bodies of those killed. and and three miles from here we're told and later, in the

hour, just down the street from there, the suspect used to work at the university of colorado medical center two buildings there. and then, in a high school nearby, family and friends being told about where their loved ones and are being notified and finally at the police station we know that is where the suspect is located and we're told again, he's not cooperating with authorities any longer and he does have a lawyer. now, the press conference we're expecting to begin. they have been late today. and l is a lot going on. they're still a ton of evidence to collect in gather. we've been told weapons were purchased correctly. i will tell you i spoke with federal authorities that told me that they're looking into these magazines. those large magazines. and there is a one of those jammed.

and i can tell you that one of the weapons is bought from a store just down the street. we've been there to get supplies so it's just down the street from where we're located. this area is the suspect location, and where he lives, and where he works. and this is like a three-mile radius ask it's a close-knit area and location. we're talking about these skeeng scenes and everyone is active toon. and as we give it back to you. i tell to its eerie. we've been here all daichl you hear the cell phones ringing and no one to answer them. can you imagine people on the other end making calls? if you look down the street unfortunately you can't get to with our camera. there are a number of hearsts going in to pick up bodies and that is an eerie site. these people are being taken out and loved ones beinotified. >> and to the press conference about to start. i understand that the police have pulled out and evacuated

around the apartment and can you give us an update on that? >> yes. they have. they first evacuated and then, around it we're told they expand out a little bit further and this is to ensure. >> and as you can see, there is a heading back to colorado they're now beginning their press conference. 1k3 let us listen in. . and let us all listen in. >> i'm daniel oats. the chief of police here in aurora. and i think it would be best to begin the press conference by introducing our governor john hickenlooper to make some remarks. governor? >> so, this has been a long day and i appreciate how long a day it has been for all of you in the media.

we are seeing this community rise up and do the things that great communities do. we are dealing with this. we have 70 casualties. not 71. there was double reporting there. but the stories are going to come out of this of how in a remarkably short time the police force in aurora responded to this situation. their efficiency in making an apprehension. the ability of our hospitals in remarkably short order to take care of all of these casualties in an incredible system. i'm not saying it was all perfect, but as the story is told it will be remarkable. as of 3:30 we still had 30 patients in hospitals.

11 still in critical condition. you know, this is an act that defies description. you can't connect emotions that we commonly think of. i mean everyone i have talked to all day is filled with an anger that can't find focus. and i think that the challenge for all of us as a community is we have to move past that. obviously there is going be a level of accountability that is -- this individual is clearly disturbed. either we will or we will not know exactly the roots of that. how deep that disturbance is. we know how deep it is but where it came from. but we are cheer that we are are going to -- we are clear that we are going to rise back and lift ourselves above this. i visited several of the families in the hospital and we

are going to have obviously some -- when you have that many people that have been injured you are going to have people with lifetime disabilities and we are already as a community beginning to com come together, givingfirst.org within three hours we had $125,000 in matching gifts. they raise money this is through one of the hospital networks. all of the hospitals are going to participate in this to make sure that the victims of this senseless act of violence that again there just aren't words. we want to do everything we can to make sure the victims are brought back in every way and supported in every way that we can. we are not going to let this community be defined by such a -- you know, if i had more

sleep i might have a better vocabulary. anyway, i do think that the first responders were unbelievable. and their ability to work together and coordinate our survivors you port from the federal government has been incredible. secretary napolitano called me from homeland security early this morning and wanted to do everything she could. she was a little late because president obama called me before that but not until after he called mayor hogan. he called the police chief. he called -- i mean the whole country recognizes this is something that we don't accept. we can't explain at this point. you but we are not -- we are not going to just let it happen to us. we are going to push back. i also mayor hogan is not here. his leadership has been remarkable and in times like this you see, you know, what is the true qualities of people

and how can they deal with situations that there is no training. there is no way you can prepare for something like this and i think the way he has handled all of the integration of the different efforts between the federal and the state, the county and the local it really is a remarkable skill and he has been able to keep everybody focused together. no one is pointing fingers. everyone is moving forward to the next step, this has happened, what do we do next. so in that sense and chief oates, unbelievable. i don't think i have done this. i think you guys should all give chief oates a hand. [ applause ] >> so then i will give it back to chief oates. >> okay. thank you, governor. i want to point out that standing behind me are quite a few of our elected city officials and our state representatives.

congressman perlmutter is also with us and joining me here is special agent jim me komen much the fbi and special agent of the atf. our federal partners have one tremendous in supporting us. i really want to start by saying how proud i am of the men and women of the police department and fire department and mike garcia from the fire department, the chief of the fire department is also here are with us. straighten out some numbers. a total of 70 injured in this event and as of this time 12 dead. still the number is 10 in the theater. the last of the bodies were removed from the theater a little after 5:00 this afternoon. and i want to correct one thing. i think earlier today i said that the others were all hit by gun fire. i it now know that a hand fire of people brought to area hospitals were not the hit by gun fire but suffered other injuries as a result of the chaos and trauma in the theater. i can't tell you how many that

is but it is a small number. nearly everyone was shot. little information about our subject and the weapons he obtained. in the last 60 days he purchased four guns at local metro gun shots and through the internet he purchased over 6,000 rounds of ammunition. more than 000 rounds of 223 ammunition for the assault rifle. 3,000 rounds of .40 caliber ammunition for the two glocks in his possession and 300 rounds for the 12 gage shotgun. also through the internet he purchased multiple magazines for the .223 caliber assault rifle including one 100-round drum magazine which was recovered from the scene. i have been asked was the weapon automatic or semi automatic. i can't answer that question right now but even if it was semi automatic i'm told by

experts with that drum magazine he could have gotten off 50 to 60 rounds even if it was semi automatic within one minute. as far as we know, it was a pretty rapid pace of fire in that theater. this evening at 4:00 members of the police department and the many supporting agencies that have provided victim service adam joseph slow kates to support us med -- advocates to support us met with apposition matily 70 member -- approximately 70 members family and friends who have not had an accounting of missing loved ones. we met with them for approximately 90 minutes and discussed all our efforts to identify the 10 bodies in the theater and did the best we could to deal with their grief and anguish. we are hopeful that sometime in the next hour we will get a confirmed list of the ten

deceased and we will begin the agonizing process of meeting with those families and confirming what has happened to their loved ones. i can't emphasize enough the support of all of our colleagues and local law enforcement in handling that extraordinarily difficult task. and we are also aided by our own police department psychologists. aurora public schools has made available two high schools for tomorrow beginning at 9:00 a.m. for professional grief counseling and other resources including the resources of aurora mental health and the red cross. those two schools are open at 9:00 a.m. superintendent john barry was with us to meet with the families and the support of the superintendent and the aurora public schools has been absolutely tremendous. in addition, i will talk a little bit about the paris street location. we evacuated five apartment buildings including the

apartment building of the subject. those evacuees have been staying at central high school. again, with the support of aurora public schools. with regard to the paris vexingn, it is a very problem how to enter that apartment safely. i personally have never seen anything like what the pictures show us is in there. i'm a laymen when it comes to bomb stuff. i see an awful lot of wires, trip wires, jars full of ammunition. jars full of liquid. some things that look like mortar rounds. we have a lott of challenges to get in there safely. we decided this evening to postpone action on that until tomorrow sometime. all our folks were pretty well taxed and we needed a break and we also with the help of the federal government are bringing in extra resources to consult on exactly how to deal with that rob lem. we are hopeful that we will address and resolve that problem tomorrow. unfortunately, this means that

the families that were evacuated have to spend an evening in the evacuation center. we are at this time allowing families one by one to go back into four of the five buildings to retrieve necessities like medication and those kinds of things. and again our hope is that we will resolve that tomorrow. with regard to the investigation i can tell you we know a little bit more are about our subject. he recently left the university of colorado medical school neuroscience program. was a voluntary separation. he hails originally from riverside california and attended uc california riverside campus. neighbors report to us that he lived alone and he kept to himself. i have the same cautions about the social media. one of the thing modern investigators do is watch what appears on the internet to see

what clues we can find and we know that you do that, too, okay. and in the year of blogs and everything else, we just caution you that everything you you read may not be true, okay. with regard to our theaters in aurora, we are -- there are four theaters in aurora that show this movie and until further notice we will have some extra security at those theaters out of an abundance of caution. and i will tell you i have been getting phone calls from colleagues around the country asking about this and i told them i don't know what you should do at your theaters but that is what we are going to do in aurora for awhile. we are fully staffed in all our districts. we are on 12 hour shifts because of the demands to support the crime scene and the new event on paris and thanks to the arapahoe county s.w.a.t. team and denver police department s.w.a.t. team if we have any demands for those

kinds of assets since we are fully taxed we will turn to colleagues to help us. the aurora town center will be open tomorrow. they have been cooperative with the aurora police department. i have a new tipline if there are any further tips. a crime stoppers number 720-913-stop. or 720-913-7867. also a general information lien for the community not for the press. i think the press knows how to reach us. but this is for the community if they have any questions. the general information number is 303-739-1862. our suspect is now in arapahoe county jail. i just got a call from the sheriff. he asked me he if i wanted h his picture released and i said no. so i won't be releasing his picture for investigative reasons. he will be he arraigned or have a first court appearance 8:30 a.m. on monday in arapahoe

county district court. there has been an overwhelming outpouring of support for our families, for our victims, for our community, for our cops, for our firefighters, for ems people, for investigators by this entire community. we received letters of concern and condolences. just remarkable. our community restaurants started pour pizzas and food into the station houses to show support for the police department and it has been wonderful. an announcement on behalf of the city. sunday at 6:30 p.m. there will be a prayer vigil right here in front of the the aurora municipal center. the governor and mayor will speak and there will be an appropriate moment for reflection for our community. finally i want to offer a huge thanks to our coroner for all he has done to help us with the

crime scene today and to expedite the recovery and identification of the bodies which is so, so important to our community. and in terms of the next press briefing, we expect to be able to brief you tomorrow afternoon right here at 2:00 p.m. i will take questions. >> any sign of a a motive at this point? has he said anything about why he did this? >> if we have information about a motive we would not share it with you. we would let that play out in the course of the criminal prosecution. >> is he talking to you, though? >> i won't talk about his admissions. yes? >> my understanding is that all of the weapons that he possessed he possessed legally and all of the clips that he possessed he possessed legally. and all of the ammunition that he possessed he possessed legally. yes? >> can you confirm if the talk.

>> i won't discuss how he got in. that is part of our investigation and as much as i would like to be cooperative with you folks, the most important thing is that there is justice for these victims and that justice will occur in a courtroom. so, we will be -- whenever i say no here it is because there is a higher reason and that is to make sure he is prosecuted correctly. yes, ma'am? [inaudible question from the gallery] >> i can't. >> i gave a description this morning of his appearance. he was dressed all in black. for those that don't have this. entirely in black wearing a gas mask. a ballistic helmet. a tactical ballistic vest. places to put all kinds of gear and clips. and in addition it was

bulletproof or resistant. wearing la busines ballistic ld throat protection and groin protection and tactical gloves. that is what he looked like in the theater. >> can you tell us if the devices outsided of guns -- >> i don't know enough you about those of you here this morning know that i reported that he released it appears two devices that set off some sort of smoke and or chemical irritant. i don't know enough about them to answer any questions. yes? [inaudible question from the gallery] >> our cops went through a lot. as i told you this morning, they rushed people out of that theater into police cars. i have heard some compelling stories. one of the things we are working on is how we are going

to deal with our own trauma and we spent some time today with the three department psychologists and somehow in the next cou this has slowed down one of our highest priorities is to deal with our own officers and how they cope with this event and that is really all i have to say about that. anything else? yes? >> where did he get the armor? standard military issue? >> i don't know the answer as to where he got the arm. what about the mask? >> it was a gas mask. >> talk about the families evacuated? how many are they. in. >> i don't know how many families evacuated. a total of five apartment buildings. all roughly the same size. three story buildings with anywhere from 6 to 10 units on a floor. so you you can do the math. >> the armor that the police officers were wearing the ones that apprehended them, s.w.a.t. was not on scene yet. >> the officers who responded were wearing a regular uniform equipment including ballistic

protection. we had a lot of people out last night because it was a friday night and we have a special summer initiative underway where there is extra officers on the street. we were very, very fortunate that we had about 25 officers there like that and as i said earlier in the end some where between 150 to 200 officers and deputies fairly quickly thereafter. >> how long do you believe he had been planning that? >> i have no way to answer that question. and if i knew, i wouldn't. >> does very an attorney? >> the security. >> i was asked if he has an attorney. yes, he has an attorney. >> did any of the -- >> and the question i'm sorry was? >> you mentioned that instant aurora has security at the theaters. >> we usually work offduty security at the theaters on weekends and this was a

thursday night. and we were not there. but we were there within about 90 seconds. >> brock. >> i'm doing just fine. >> yes, sir? >> [inaudible question from the gallery] >> i have some information from my detectives on his demeanor since his arrest but i will not share it with you. one more question. i don't know how many bull lets went through the adjacent theater. enough went through that one person was hit. that concludes this briefing. tomorrow afternoon at 2:00 p.m. thank you very much, folks. >> sean: that is the police chief oates out in colorado tonight. he did give us some new information. let me just recap here for you in a moment. in fact, ieearlr reported there were 70 victims here. in fact, 71 now. he reduced that number to 70. confirming in fact that 12 people are dead as a result of the shooting that started late

last night in aurora, colorado. ten in the theater. two at a local hospital. he talked a little bit about the weapons. in fact, he said that the guns and the clips and the ammunition was in fact secured legally. he talked about information in the last 60 day 60 day, four oe guns that were used, rounds of ammunition, a number as high as 6,000. maybe more in the end. and that he had 100 round clips which could fire off anywhere between 50 and 60 rounds in a one minute period of time and as has been reported by people in the theater in fact it was rapid fire. in it fact, a police chief did also mention that the police in colorado did meet with the friends and family and they expect in the next hour to be releasing the names of those 12 victims. some of the families in fact have not been notified as of this hour. public schools have been opened up and there will be professional grief counseling given to people in the community as of some point tomorrow.

he also talked about the five apartment buildings surrounding the apartment of the alleged shooter jim holmes and in fact he called what he saw a very vexing problem to enter that apartment safely. he talked about wires and trip wires. and literally things filled with liquid and mortar rounds that he talked with. and the issue we had learned earlier as we were coming on the air tonight that in fact they had decided to put that off all fire crews, most police have in fact pulled out from the evacuation around the apartment and all you that now remains are police secure, the perimeter and they also -- he also talked about families are being allowed one by one to go back to the apartments if they need to get medication et cetera. talked about social media and his background and also there will be extra security at the theaters in aurora over the weekend. gave a typeline and in fact did announce that in fact the

suspect in this case has retained an attorney. joining me now with reactions from inside on how police are likely to carry out the investigation fox news contributor former d.c. homicide detective rod wheeler and former nypd detective. we will be checking in with some of the people eyewitnesses to all of this. bo, if i can begin with you, the biggest concern we have as we go back to his words here, a vexing problem to enter the apartment safely. has to be the chief concern at this hour and they put it off until tomorrow. your thoughts? >> my thoughts on this. i heard they were supposedly loud music that was coming out of the apartment. now, it is just very strange that he told the police officers don't go in there, it is booby trapped. it makes one think that the possibility that is part of his going a little nuts. maybe he had a problem with the landlord there and people that lived in the building. maybe he played music loud and he wanted someone to go into the apartment to get the full

lunt of what he has set up there. again you have to take your time. they will use the fbi demolition people there. they are good to wait. why would we want to risk a cop getting killed there with stuff that they don't know about. >> sean: and the governor did in a pretty emotional press conference leading up to the police chief rod wheeler he talked about the acts of here are rowism that have gone on since -- heroism that have gone on last night and throughout the day as well. when talks about wires, trip wires, jars filled with liquid. mortar rounds. i mean it sounds -- i mean and then, of course, sounds like this was obviously something that this person was preparing for in a major way. how dangerous is this for the police? >> this is a very dangerous and critical situation, sean, for the police department now. i have been following this case as you know all day today and earlier today the police department actually indicated that the reason that they did

not want to go in is because this guy made some kind of a comment pertaining to having booby trapped his actual apartment. i think there is a number of reasons why the police would not go in especially tonight. the other thing that is very significant in response to the bombs being there is this is a preplanned event, sean. this guy had been planning this event according to some reports as early as april of this year. and so the police are going to have to confirm that. if that is the case this guy was really, really well prepared. they actually reported that they he actually saw buckets of ammunition, sean, inside this guy's apartment. >> sean: and this is chilling what they have to deal with as it relates to the booby traps. let me go back to you. the police chief said he had never seen anything about this before. have you seen anything that elaborate set up? >> no, i never heard of anything like that. but again, why would he have told the cops? that is what is so strange. he is a strange person we all agree. for him to tell them about it.

he wanted -- i would think that he would go out in a blaze of glory. and let's all face one thing that what the chief said all the ammunition that was obtained over the internet. also the clip that he talked about with the 100 rounds i don't want to disagree with that chief but there are ted ral laws now with -- federal laws now with with the extra round clips and that is a federal offense now. >> sean: i'm sure we will get more information in the days to come. he thought that they were purchased legally. but again i think they only found out late this afternoon so there might be an update on that. you may very well be right. talk about rod you dealt with a lot of criminals in the course of your career. it is a little odd that he would go on the shooting ram page and gets is caught and then tells the police i booby trapped my apartment. thank god maybe he did because they might have just walked in there and apparently that is where the booby traps were set. >> near is the thing that i want to -- here is the thing that i want to caution you about. i'm not exactly sure if he said

that he booby trapped his apartment. he could have said that he had more explosive devices in his apartment. if you notice from the video the police of outside his apartment using a camera. they are looking in from the outside. i'm not so sure if that is exactly the language that he used. however, if it is, i do believe that he intended for more people to be harmed not only at his apartment and maybe even at other locations as well, sean. >> you know, rod, you know also he mentioned that he had explosives in his car to the officers, i believe. and there was no explosives in the car. they ripped the car apart. now, all of a sudden he mentioned about explosives in his house or whatever. but i mean this is a totally schizophrenic bipolar person here you would think he would go out in a blaze of glory and shoot it out with the cops but he didn't do that. >> sean: but the police chief did in it fact confirm they had the cameras and go into this and see the setup there

themselves. they see the bottles filled with liquid and the wires and trip wires and mortar rounds. so, you you know, it is going to be very difficult. guys thank you you both for being with us. appreciate it tonight. >> coming up, james holmes in custody and reportedly not cooperating with police at this hour. a live report from outside his home which at this hour are remains booby trapped. that and some eyewitness that and some eyewitness reports coming is new york sta. we built the first railway, the first trade route to the west, the greatest empires. then, some said, we lost our edge. well today, there's a new new york state. one that's working to attract businesses and create jobs. a place where innovation meets determination... and businesses lead the world. the new new york works for business. find out how it can work for yours at thenewny.com. so what i'm saying is, people like options. when you take geico,

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referred to as a very vexing problem. you heard about the theories what they will do to neutralize the bombs. but as you hear the police chief run down what is in there, jars filled with liquid, mortor rounds. and you should get up what should be ground zero in terms of evidence. so you add that to the list of concerns and reasons the police are not in a hurry to enter that apartment right now. all of the trip wires, all of the things that could set things off. you heard the police chief talking about the fact they have experts from the federal government coming in to assist them so they can really good a good idea as far as what is inside that apartment, how they can neutralize it without harming anyone and without doing any more construction. you look around and you see a lot of police tape up. the area around five apartment buildings that is blocked off.

the only police presence is police officers securing the perimeter, sean. >> as us pan in again to that apartment where the suspect lived and this is the very apartment that the police chief described as having wires and trip wires and jars filled with liquid, the one good thing is they did get a camera in there. they do know what is in there and they got a pretty good understanding, i would have to assume, even though he said he has never seen anything like it and it's a vexing problem to enter safely. at this idea do they have a good idea what they have going on in there? >> it really seems to be the case. they probably have a rough idea how to diffuse it. you heard the police chief mention they have other experts coming in. so time is on their side. there's nothing right now that would compel them to enter that apartment so they have got other experts coming in. they want to study and, they want to come up with a smart plan to go in there so you don't have anything blow up or catch fire. we heard descriptions there is powder on the ground and known nice what it is right now. could it be destructive to

people. so figure out what you've got, then go in the apartment and deal with it. >> mike tobin is outside of the suspect's apartment ton. thanks for being with us. joining me from colorado, two of two eyewitness toss the shooting. they were together at the movie theater when the shooting began and they join me now with their account. trey, let me start with you. sorry what you had to go through. where were you guys sitting at the time this all began? >> we were probably -- we were on the right-hand side of the theater and we were probably about 15, 16 rows up from the screen where the man entered through the right emergency exit. >> did you feel this irritant we've been told about all day? >> yeah. we like -- all we heard was like banging noises and we saw the gas, the first gas tank he threw and it hit the row right in front of us. >> trey, let me go back to you.

when he first came in we were told that some type of repellant, some type of eye irritant was released, maybe teargas, something to that effect and the shooting began and apparently he aimed for the back of the theater. is that what you first saw? >> well, we saw it a little differently. he first bomb or whatever it was, the canister, into the row in front of us and after that exploded he threw a second one before he fired any shots and after the second one exploded we witnessed him shoot his first shot into the air as if to scare the whole crowd and cause chaos. after that, that's when everyone started running around, jumped on the ground, taking their things, looking for people. is and after that that's when he started firing shots in succession one after another. >> how long did that go on for. >> i mean, it seemed like forever, but it was probably only about a minute and thirty

seconds, maybe two minutes. he fired them pretty quickly. >> how quickly were both of you able to get out of there? there had been some reports that some people in the beginning thought maybe this is just part of the hype for the movie. obvious hadly that couldn't have lasted long. how long did it take for people to exit that theater? >> just i would say between like two to three minutes because people were still putting together what's going on because at first when he walked in nobody knew what to think. >> there were ashtrays i -- pretty amazing story. i guess you were in theater nine. there's a story about a guy in theater 8 that brought in and eventually came face-to-face with the shooter, but he was able to save a couple of girls that were outside, one that was injured. did you see people inside the theater, things like that, where people in this moment where the lives are at risk that put their life on the line to try to help others?

>> honestly i went to the movie with him and two of my other friends and when the shooting occurred, we, all four of us, jumped on to the floor to take cover behind seats. we jumped on top of each other and we were covering each other. i don't know what good it would have done, but just for security we were covering one another laying on to the ground. we actually had our eyes closed at that point because the gas was so horrible, especially since the first canister having dropped right next to us. >> how close did he get to you? the shooter. >> about 50 feet away. >> i'm sorry, say it again? >> about 50 feet. >> he was in the dead center of the screen at one point. >> a chilling account. you know, all the best toa auror and our best to you and other

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toward the top exit where i pulled the fire alarm. >> first of all, under that type of stress and pressure, the fact that you were able to think like that, and lot of other people calling 911 and people in other theaters helping. you hear stories of people who really went out of their way to help under very difficult circumstances. where were you sitting, writ any? >> we were in the top right, about five rose from the top. we were on the right-hand of the staircase where there is only about two seats. we had like a direct view where the shooter was standing. >> kevin, one of the original reports that i saw was in fact that the first shot actually went to those back rows where you were. do you remember it that way? >> i don't remember it that way but i do remember hearing constant gunfire. we were actually on the ground so we didn't see anything very well. >> did either one of you -- at any point did you think that this -- maybe this was part of

the movie, there's a lot of hype to the new batman movie, or -- you did think -- so there was a period where you thought maybe this is something that you didn't expect that was part of the movie experience? >> exactly. there was canisters and we thought somebody was just messing around but eventually the theater got really foggy. we realized it wasn't a joke. >> we've been to lots of midnight premieres before where there's lots of fans and they will put on shows beforehand so it's like, okay, some people are getting into it. but once people started screaming and gunshots started firing, it was no longer a question in our mind that it was real and something bad was happening. >> only too real, sadly. brittney, how long did it take you to get out of the theater and how chaotic a was it? >> it was hard to tell. we were on the ground for a couple seconds to minutes and then we ran up the stairs.

so it's really hard to tell but it didn't seem like it was longer than a couple minutes. >> kevin, the rapid fire, how long did it seem to go on and did it seem to just not stop? >> the gunshots went off for about 30 to 45 seconds consecutively, and eventually it stopped. >> brittney, did you at any point look up and know where he was or was it just too foggy to see at this point? >> i only saw him like emerging from the shadows when he first started shooting. after that we were down on the ground and then facing the exit door. i didn't want to look back. >> i'm glad you guys got out safely. thanks for what you did, brittney, to help others there and being able to think on your feet like that. i'm sure that helped a lot. and our thoughts and prayers go out to the community. thank you both for being with us. >> thank you. >> thanks, sean. >> coming up, the state of colorado is all too familiar with tragedy.

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shortly after that, that's when we heard gunshots open up. >> the first thing we see is a 13, 14-year-old girl with a bullet wound in her leg and her stomach and probably her chest. >> and joining me now with reaction to the shooting massacre is psychotherapist dr. robbie dudwog. and the author of "defining the columbine shooting." thank you for being here. these incidents happen, doctor, and it's so senseless. where were the signs, the evidence, the symptoms in the only thing that i heard today that made me there there was some evidence is when the mother said, yeah, it's him almost immediately. >> right. it's very hard to predict who is going to be violent, especially if somebody doesn't have a history of violence, and this man didn't have a history of violence. so very often when people see signs there's denial. we don't want to think that the people we know are capable of this kind of violence, but it

sounds like there was some sort of break that went on with this man and in his mind he became part of the movie. >> it's almost like the joker, right? >> he became the joker, and the first night of the movie, that's the most important night. and who knows who the audience became in their own mind. were they batman sympathizers? he was trying to make himself powerful. >> the level of detail is chilling. as i was listening to the police chief industry how he had literally, you know, prepared -- basically for a war. >> right. >> and then, of course, the booby trapped apartment ever his shows the level of thought and preparation that went into this. >> right. and most shooters do. the public, you know, frequently a lot of journalists use a lot of words like "snap" and that's one of the words we need to take out of our vocabulary because it's almost like a gradual

illness whether it's a mental illness building unor whatever, it's gradual. we don't have a great amount of information on shooters in general but school shooters -- >> columbine. >> and they did a study of shooters and 93% planned it in advance. it's almost never a spur of the moment thing. >> can we glean anything, doctor, from the fact that he didn't use social media a lot, his neighbors talked about he was quiet, he lived alone, and social media, even though the police chief was warning that, you know, what you are reading may not be true but there's not a lot so far that they were able to find on social media about it. >> it's so hard. hindsight is 20-2 and there are people who don't use social media who are very healthy. i think we need to understand better these people who might be more fragile and get a better sense of a person who might be

more inclined to be violent. but it's very hard and we don't really know all of the answers. >> i think we have to take a really big breath. the media has been actually responsible today on not jumping to conclusions and with columbine we jumped to all sorts of conclusions and these were hard end into facts and turned out to be myths but they are still with us today. everyone has to take the next few days, as we get pieces of information, not to jump to conclusions too soon. jay louder ministries,e founder jay, and thank you for being with us. talking about a psychologist or psychiatry and the spiritual side of people. i mean, i can't put any other words except this is an evil act of somebody who has absolutely no understand of human life or compassion or empathy. you deal with this in the ministry, as well.

there's a spiritual side of people here. >> well, there's any doubt about that. the spiritual component is often not one that is talked about. but the realities of evil and good are prevalent all through society. and you look at a situation like this and you realize how brief life is. and you realize that the best way to combat this type of thing is through faith. it's through a relationship with christ. it's through trust in him. as an evangelist and a person of faith i have to believe that is a solution for this. >> listen, it's always important to be spiritual and to have faith, but this is a person who was feeling rejected, who was feeling angry, who was feeling vengeful and was not well. >> obviously not living rooted in reality. >> no. it seemed like he -- you know, he became part of the movie. >> it was frustrating to me as some people go out on social media and start a gun control