♪ >> brian: tomorrow summer concert series. aaron lewis. '90s hit maker. you'll love him. he's country. like this guy. >> steve: he's going to be singing in the after the show show, along with our farm boys. bill: good morn, everybody. a lot to get to now. fox news alert on a pair of brand new indicators how the economy is doing. weekly unemployment claims, at first glance the numbers looks good. jobless claims fell to seasonably adjusted 350,000. economists warn that there is more to the number than meets the eye. up tryinging. martha: here we are. bill: i'm bill hemmer. martha: good morning, bill hemmer. i'm martha maccallum. bill: this is really fascinating stuff as we get into it. we see the economic implications and also the political implications. martha: so much is hinging watching these numbers and how the lines are moving. these numbers look good.

economists are a bit skeptical on them because they may be in part skewed by factors including seasonal employment. bill: bring in our expert. stuart varney, anchor of "varney & company", fox business network. take us through what we know here. >> jobless claims down 30 odd thousand. that looks good superficially but it is affected by seasonal numbers. second set of numbers, durable goods orders looking good, up 1.6%. degg deep. take out aircraft orders you have a big drop of over 1%. dig deep and these numbers are not as good as they look on the surface. bill: does this amount to a general reversal in jobs? >> no, sir, it does not. it does not. 350,000 new claims for jobless benefits, that is still a very high number and implies layoffs are still going strong it this economy. it doesn't really change the overall jobs picture which is negative. bill: you just mentioned this. we're learning that

businesses cutbacks on orders for long-lasting factory goods. what does that mean? >> that is the economy on the ground floor. if you look within the durable goods numbers for example, you see orders for computers, electronics, electrical equipment, machinery, of all kind, came down. the only reason that the overall number went up because of a big spike in aircraft parts and equipment. aircraft machinery. that is the only reason it went up. when you actually look at what went down, you're getting a much better picture of the economy, again on the ground floor. bill: got it. two more points here. where are the aberration? was it last week, two weeks ago, what can we say? >> it will be about next week. it is about auto factory closing or nonclosing. you will see the claims go up next week when auto plants actually shut down this week. that is the aberration. bill: tomorrow is a big

indicator also. does this alter the base lick outlook on the u.s. economy. >> no, it does not. we're still heading south. we're still weaker. tomorrow we get the gdp report. it will look like it shows a growth rate less than 1 1/2%. that is economy fully on its back. bill: thank you, stuart. stuart varney with us here. here is martha with more context. martha: you have the two factors stuart talked about. you've got growth where you get in the gdp. very significant where the economy is headed and you have the jobs. here is chart december '07 before the beginning of all the trouble you can see as the line goes up t goes all the way to today. the big spike in 2008 that was the worst of the worst, okay, to 2009. we're at this number, 253,000. the trend line looks good. it is hard to argue with that trend line. that is 353,000 right there.

the yellow line shows you where we would be if we were in a healthy economy. you want to stay right in that zone. we're in that zone right now. what you need to do is put together weeks and then months that show you that the economy is truly headed in the right direction. we've been under the 375 for several of the past 10 weeks. 56 straight weekly unemployment claims reports have been revised upward though. we always kind of look to that number. overall this is a trend line that has to have people feeling positive to some extent. bill: martha, thank you. just getting this in now. breaking news on new video out of war-torn syria. photographers staring down the barrel of a tank. watch here. [gunfire] we're hearing rebel forces closing in on the power centers of the assad regime. six days in a row fighting in syria's largest city. that is aleppo to the north

of the border with turkey. government forces hammering neighborhoods and tanks with planes from over head. activists say 26 were killed yesterday. including some children. the white house condemning the regime's use of military hardware, calling it the depth of depravity. five minutes past the hour. martha: republican presidential nominee governor mitt romney meeting with british leaders on the first leg of his overseas trip. at this hour he is at ten downing street. popular and well-known address. you see him going in the front door with prime minister david cameron after sitting down with former prime minister tony blair in an initial meeting. governor romney will attend the opening ceremony of the london olympics before heading to israel and poland. the governor finding time for humor when he sat down with nbc's brian williams. who asked him what he is looking for in

vice-presidential pick. >> i know you like quoting unnamed romney advisors, republican official familiar with your campaign selection process told the folks at "politico", you are looking, for quote, incredibly boring white guy for your vice-presidential nominee. can you confirm or deny. >> you told me you were not available. >> touche, governor. >> i can't give you anything on that front, whatsoever. martha: that was pretty funny. bill: brian williams reacted to that. martha: not looking for you either, apparently. bill: that's a fact. all right. six minutes past the hour now. we're now learning about the first memorial to honor a victim, the horrifying movie theater massacre in colorado. mourners gathering at a church in denver to remember 51-year-old gordon cowed den. i took his two daughters to see "batman" friday and was

oldest person in that shooting. >> it was awesome remembering him and supporting the family, it was a great memorial uplifting him and kind of how it was. it was hard but it was good. >> he was a great dad and, they were great kids and an absolute tragedy. >> also sad and very uplifting because gordon was awesome. bill: his two daughters escaped unharmed, believe it or not. we're also now getting exclusive details on a notebook the shooter sent before the massacre. alicia acuna is on that story, back live in aurora today. what do we know? good morning there, alicia. >> reporter: good morning, bill. we're actually getting a response from the university of colorado medical center on this exclusive report from foxnews.com that james holmes sent a notebook detailing to a psychiatrist how he was going to kill people. now this was a notebook, according to law enforcement

sources, that was sent to this psychiatrist before the shooting. and according to the report, that notebook was actually not delivered and may have sat in the mailroom at the university of colorado medical center since july 12th. this is something that the university is now denying in a press release. bill? bill: alicia, what also are you hearing from survivors about hearing earlier in the week? >> reporter: monday's, hearing, yes, there are some survivors we are talking to they wish the judge would allow cameras in the courtroom when james holmes finds out exactly what the charges against him will be. judge william sylvester did allow the pool camera to shoot the advisement hearing. that is when we saw holmes with blank stares and bright hair. some victim families and survivors were there. they wish he would make a

different decision going forward. >> he wanted attention and he should get every bit of it, especially the bad attention he is getting. people should be able to see his reaction to the judge naming every vick testimony. i just want him to realize like, he is not so tough anymore. >> i think the victims should be accommodated. there is not enough room in that courtroom for all the people that want to be there. >> reporter: hundreds of people were inside at the time. shooting. hospital treating some of the victims from the shooting they will either wipe away or severely limit the medical bills that have been mounting for these victims which will help tremendously, especially the folks who do the not have medical insurance. back to you. bill: alicia acuna live in aurora. the next appearance is monday. we'll see whether or not the judge changes his mind on that decision about cameras. martha: we sure will.

we have a lot going here. we're just getting started this morning. continuing on that story, in a couple moments we'll talk to two of most knowledgeable criminal profilers in the country about the movie massacre case including the chilling details about that notebook that believed to have on about owned by the suspect who you see right here. so that is all coming up. we'll get into the notebook details in moments. bill: this is bizarre. baseball great cal ripken, jr.'s mother abducted from her own home. she is okay, apparently. bizarre details about her day and night in the hands of a kidnapper. and what she is saying about that. martha: a horror story. governor mitt romney is out there campaigning pretty much every day but some have said he is not revealing what may be a big asset his personal story. are there signs he is starting to do that? our panel debates and weigh in on that and his response to it all. >> no, as a matter of fact i'm happy to talk about my heritage. i speak actually quite regularly about the fact

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martha: new emotional plea from the mother of a man whose killing sparked violent protests on the streets of anaheim, california. [shouting]. hundreds of demonstrators surged through downtown breaking windows, throwing rocks, setting fires. for the past several nights we've been watching all of this activity in anaheim. very emotional stuff. the protests started after the police shot and killed manual diaz. his mother is making a urgent call for peace. >> i went when my son took his last breath. i watched as his start stopped beating.

for the last time please, please stop the violence. it's not going to bring my son back. it's not. and this is a worst thing any mother could go through. thank you. martha: a lot of people hope people listen to her in streets of anaheim. police say that the shooting happened after diaz and two other men were acting suspiciously in an alley and ran when two officers approached them. bill: 15 minutes past the hour now. chilling new details coming to light in the colorado movie massacre. fox news.com reporting that a notebook believed to be from the suspect was mailed to a university of colorado psychiatrist. right now it is knot clear if the suspect had previous contact with that doctor but we've learned that inside the notebook were details about plans to kill people drawn as stick figures,

armed stick figures gunning down others. mare re ellen o'toole is a former fbi profiler who worked on cases including "the unabomber" and zodiac murder case. dale archer has served as expert witness in many criminal cases. thank you both for coming in today and we rely on your expert on this. doctor, why would someone want to key tail ahead of time what their intended crime would be and put it on a notebook and perhaps to somebody that had contact with and who himself a psych triflt? explain that. >> well, i think the first thing it brings to mind what was the relationship of the psychiatrist to mr. holmes? was he a treating psychiatrist? did he just know him from the school. if he was treating him that opens up a whole another set of questions but, when you

start developing a psychosis, this doesn't happen with an on-off switch. not like one day you're normal and next day you're fluidly psychotic. it waxes and wains and comes over time. as you descend into madness, you have hallucinations and madness. that is where this plot was hatched. on the other hand you have times of clarity where you know exactly what is going on. i suspect during these times of clarity he was actually putting this down and planning to send it to self-sabotage what the delusional side of his brain was telling him to do. bill: you mean there was one voice in one ear and one in the other that perhaps could have prevented him from acting? >> that's absolutely right. it is like a battle of the psychotic brain versus the normal brain. but of course as the illness progresses the psychosis becomes more and more profound until eventually there is none of the normal brain left. it is completely psychotic. bill: mrs. o'toole, what do

you think about that based on your experience? >> based on my experience in the fbi's behavioral analysis unit and based on my research when i saw this notebook that was sent, to me that really matches the definition of leakage, and leakage is one of several warning behaviors and leakage means that the offender either intentionally or unintentionally, and it can be an offhanded comment all the way up to and including very detailed notes, they forecast what they intend to do and they do it for a variety of reasons. the reasons can include to impress somebody, to intimidate somebody, to show power, to show control. and in some instances it can be actually a cry for help, but in my opinion it is actually an example of leakage behavior. and it can be a very powerful investigative tool if we know about it ahead of time. bill: but to the doctor's

point there, was this him trying to find a way out of what he was planning? >> not in my opinion. in my opinion this plan was very well-put together and he was committed to the plan and this is actually part of his commitment to the plan. i see it very differently. bill: okay. doctor, i read something that you wrote just this past week. you write, those who claim a mentally ill person can not plot such an intricate plan the way holmes did, they're simply wrong. why is that considered a myth? >> well, because people think that because you're psychotic that you can't function. and you have to remember that by all accounts this was a normally functioning individual until about six months ago and at that point he started developing the psychosis. up until then he was probably of genius level iq and as you start to descending into madness, it is not like you lose your

rational ability all at once. not only that when you become psychotic you have the ability to clearly focus on one thing to the exclusion of everything else. by all accounts he stopped socializing with any friends that he had. he dropped out of the school. he really had nothing else going on in his life except for this plan. and i believe the plan was hatched out of a psychosis. you know what? that has nothing to do with being sane or insane. remember that is a legal term, not a medical term. so the fact that he was psychotic does not mean he was insane legally and clearly he had the ability to be able to plot this intricate detailed plan and psychotic people can do that. bill: to both of you, thank you for your insight today as we work through this together. dr. dale archer and mary ellen o'toole. appreciate it. thanks. martha. martha: going back to politics now and a revealing snapshot of the presidential race nearly 100 days before the election. can you believe it is

getting that close? we have numbers that we mined from very interesting new fox news polls telling us which side may be more fired up. that could end up making all the difference. bill: about your voter turnout, right? plus, she may be safe and sound at home now but the kidnapper of hall-of-famer cal ripken, jr.'s mother remains at large. the bizarre details we're only learning about that. >> he had a mask and gloves on and gun, didn't recognize him. tied her up. put a mask on her and do something else first and told her to get in the car. he wanted her in the car. eat good fats.

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this point, hard to believe. felt like yesterday it was several years out but we're getting close. there is a revealing snapshot of the presidential race you may have not seen before. among all voters president obama is leading governor romney 45-41%. but when we drill down to only the most interested voters, those who are really watching the election very closely, you see governor romney has a double-digit lead, 53 had had 42. what does that mean for this election? here is dana blanton, our goddess of all things polls at fox news. great to have you. you and i work together on a lot of polling and as we watch exit polls through the primary. great to have you here. this is registered voters poll. likely voters, registered voters which one is better for people to look at? >> right now we think of registered voters. our poll of registered voters. we're trying to capture opinions of all those eligible to vote.

soon we will move to likely voters that is just to try to get who will really show up. pollsters do tt, everybody does it a bit differently but asking people questions about how interested are you? how closely are you following. past voting behavior. the most important question your intention to vote, asking them how likely are you to vote? that is a question that can't accurately be answered so far out. people will start paying more attention a little bit later. that is when we can get a good read who will show up. that's why most pollsters wait. martha: that is the key to this. we talk about it all the time. we're surrounded by it all the time. a lot of people are enjoying vat tuned in. >> right. martha: look at this next one because it goes to the extremely interested voters. >> right. martha: here again we see sort of a progress in july. in july you have those extremely interested, 53%, versus president obama 42%. what is this really tell us.

what are you reading into this? >> 40% of voters tell us they are extremely interested in the election. that includes more republicans, tea party folks, conservatives, than democrats. that's been the case for most of this year probably driven by the attention to the nominating process and coverage that received. we'll have to see if that continues. whether that will be something to watch to see if that additional interest among that voting bloc that obviously is helping romney. see if that continues. martha: yeah. >> and that's what --. martha: people transition to becoming likely voters, right? >> this is a good proxy for this point in race. even though it isn't a sample of likely voters it is clearly a red flag for the romney campaign. martha: if you're in the romney camp, you say these are our folks. they're fired up. they're interested. they will try to get those people to come out to turn into likely voters as they get closer. >> exactly. martha: one of the things comes up when i'm out and

about, what is america? how does it divide? how many people are democrats? how people are republicans? how many people fall into that independent category? let's look at this. yesterday you sent us data going back to 2000. we put up so it is clear for people to see, 2000 versus 2011. you can see 42% say they're democrat. 7% say they're republican. which pretty much goes alongwith historical trend. more people identify as democrats in the country. independent numbers seems to hover in the 18 to 22% range? >> about one in five. most important thing to think about here, that isn't a registered voter. that isn't a registration number. the question says, how do you think of yourself. martha: right. >> that can change and that is something that is moveable just like positions on issues and candidates and so the thing to remember though is that not all voters vote, right? so while in general more people identify as democrats, when we narrow that down to

who will really show up among likely voters that increases the number of republicans and improves the gop candidate's position. martha: that independent zone is really the heart of who decides elections. >> right. martha: you look how close it is between democrats and republicans, those are the folks that elect presidents, right? >> right. martha: very interesting, dana. thank you very much. we'll be talking a lot more i imagine. >> thanks. bill: not a day off for you, blanton. ain't going to happen. if you thought the economy was tough enough, get ready for extreme drought that has destroyed u.s. crops and all of us may feel the pain when the gallon of milk costs a little bit more. also. martha: plus a new 911 call that may keep you out of the water after you hair this. >> has been bitten by something. it is a big deep gash. might be a shark possibly.

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and just, from the changes in weather. bill: steve centanni live in washington on this. steve, give us an idea, how much is this going to hurt? >> reporter: well, bill, overall the u.s. agriculture department saying food prices will jump three to 4% in 2013 largely because the corn crop was hit so hard and corn is used in some products, dozens of foods. everything from soft drinks to baby foods. here are a look at food groups. livestock will be hit because of heat and shortage of corn used as cattle feed. so this could drive beef prices up at the grocery store anywhere four to 5% next year. we could see the first impact in the chicken and turkey prices. that could happen soon sometime this year with an expected rise for poult tri of 3.5 to 4.5%. dairy products will be going up too anywhere from 3 1/2 percent to 4 1/2% next year. this is the first government estimate of rising prices

resulting from this long hot summer of 2012 which is only half over now, bill. bill: when prices go up, sometimes they do not come back down. how is congress reacting to this? what can congress do? >> first lawmakers on both sides of the aisle very concerned right now and want to pass some kind of drought relief measure. it is seen as an emergency situation that could hit everyone in the pock account book. >> all across farm country we are suffering from a severe drought which is a real emergency, historic in scope and damage, in particular for our livestock industry. >> reporter: at this point it looks like lawmakers will try to attach a $240 million drought relief measure to the farm bill which is stalled in congress right now but the question then is how to pay for it and the heat is on so to speak because congress heads out for august recess in one week. bill: indeed it is. steve centanni, watching

that story in washington. martha: back to election politics now. governor mitt romney opening up a bit about his own story after a conservative op-ed writer for "the new york times", david brooks, said this. the governor has, quote an amazing family history to tell but remains hidden to the public. governor romney apparently took issue a bit with that. listen to that response in that interview with brian williams when the nbc anchor asked the governor, if he is as brooks called him, a hidden man? >> well, no, as a matter of fact, i'm happy to talk about my heritage. i speak actually quite regularly about the fact that my dad was born in mexico. that with revolution in mexico my dad then, i think aged five or six came back to the u.s. with his family. that they went broke multiple times. his dad was a contractor. my dad didn't complete college. but went on to be the head of a car company and then a

governor. i think it is a remarkable story and i'm very proud of my heritage. i'm, without question i'm a member of church of jesus christ of latter-day saints. i'm proud of that. some call that the mormon church. that is find with me. i will talk about my experiences in the church. no question they helped shape my perspective. martha: that was with brian williams. that aired last night. monica crowley joins me now, radio talk show host. doug schoen, former advisor to president bill clinton, fox news contributor. he has been dogged about this. open up. tell more about his personal story. how did he do, doug? >> i think he did well. this is the start of something he needs to do. voters need to feel like he represents a positive alternative to president obama, not just the other choice. this is a start but there is a longer way to go, martha. martha: monica, what do you think? his family has an incredible story. whether you want to vote for president obama or him this is a very american story that he is telling and some

say, why doesn't he tell it? >> it is so important for presidential candidates to relate their personal biographies, their resume's to the american people. part of that does involve relating their personal background, their personal histories. this is a man in mitt romney who is very old school reserved. you look back and richard nixon, ronald reagan, george h.w. bush, bob dole, many of them, particularly republicans have been sort of very reserved men who are hesitant to talk about themselves. the truth we live in a oprah style confessional society. we first saw it with bill clinton --. martha: spilling it all the time how great you are. >> bill clinton was talking about what kind of underwear he wore for goodness sakes. for better or worse the american people expect the president or presidential candidate to really talk about themselves, their own personal backgrounds. i think governor romney really needs to kind of get over that. president obama -- president obama has no problem doing

it with himself. martha: it is baked into your dna we all know people like that. we understand it. listen to another piece from the interview and i want to get some more thoughts from you guys. >> my wife and i we try to give 10% of our time, not just 10% of our money but also time to service in the community and those thing have enriched our life. have give us perspectives that go beyond the group of friends we might have otherwise had. instead bring us into homes where people peace very different challenges that we faced. it has given me a sense of what other people are experiencing and great desire to make a difference in other people's lives. that's why, by the way, given the experience i've had, i want so badly to help people with better jobs and better incomes. people in america need that help. martha: get your reaction first, monica. >> yeah, he needs to be talking about this a lot more. he might not be tempermentally comfortable doing this because he needs to get there. president obama has no problem whatsoever touting his own background where he

came from and talking about his accomplishments. the problem for governor romney i think he needs to understand, if he doesn't relate his personal story or what they do in terms of volunteerism and helping their fellow man the media certainly isn't going to do that for him. nobody in the press will voluntarily tell his story for him. >> i thought it was very interesting he talked about his faith, he is mormon, church of latter-day saints as he said but sort of did it in a way that goes straight towards charitable work and kind of things he does and gets it away from the issue he doesn't want to get into, that some people think are unusual about the way that their faith is practiced. >> i couldn't agree more. i agree with monica. martha: can he do that? >> yeah he can do that. he tied his faith and service to his world view in a way you felt empathetic with him. he hasn't really done much of that. he needs to tie his message to who he is. we did it with bill clinton, not with standing some of the challenges we faced. bottom line, governor room any has to do it if he is

going to succeed. >> when you look at breakdown of the poll numbers, governor romney is leading in a lot of categories in terms of handling the economy and leadership skills. what he is trailing president obama on is likeability this gets to that question. projecting to the american people you're a warm compassionate person which he is clearly is but he is not conveying it. martha: we'll see. there is lot of pressure to do it. felt like he made steps in that direction. doug and monica, thanks you both. bill: we have to bring him back, because when he talks apparently everybody listens on wall street. have you seen this? up 221 points already on the big board. what's going on? well the european central bank vowed moments ago to keep the euro intact. that has investors breathing a bit of a sigh of relief. we're up 218. we'll see whether or not that sticks. we were bumping up against the 13,000 mark last week. did not get there we'll see whether or not we get there now. meantime the tug-of-war over your money. it is getting hotter on

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that make up to $250,000. republicans say that doesn't go far enough. arguing taxes shouldn't go up on anybody as long as the economy is in the state that it is in. texas senator john cornyn is one of them. member of the senate budget committee and chairman of the national senatorial republican committee. welcome, senator. >> good morning. bill: you put out a strong statement. nothing short of baffling with senators on the democratic side. explain that. >> we believe as democrats including the president did in 2010 would slow economic growth. the last thing you want to do is depress the growth by taxing the very people we're depending upon to create the jobs and to grow us out of this, out of our doldrums. but that is exactly what our friend across the aisle have done in what is a show vote because, as you point out this bill is not going anywhere. because the house of representatives won't pass it. so, this is, this is campaigning in the halls of congress when we ought to be

doing something serious about solutions. bill: here is what the president said. i want you to react to one key word. it is time for house republicans to drop their demand for one trillion dollar giveaway for wealthiest americans and give our families and small businesses financial security that they need. the word giveaway got my attention. what do you make of that? >> well the president's attitude is that this money is really not the property of those who earned it. it is government's money which the government lets you keep a certain amount of. but what it, i think speaks to is a disconnect that the president seems to have with the private sector that is reflected by his remarks in roanoke, that people in small businesses don't build those businesses. it is as if the government has done it for them. i think that caused quite a bit of pushback including a lot of backtracking by the president claiming those remarks were taken out of context when i really don't think they were. bill: about 40 minutes we'll have some surrogates from both teams, obama and romney

campaign and come on and debate that very issue but on the tax front both sides are claiming victory. and you're about 100 some odd days from an election. in all likelihood this is not resolved before november. if you otherwise speak up now. but if it goes past november, how do both sides claim victory now? >> well, because we're going to have a very important election in a little over 100 days. in many of the states where there are very key elections, in florida, montana, places like missouri, you have senate democrats, on record saying they're going to raise taxes on small businesses and people who pay on an individual tax return business income. i think that creates a very clear dividing line between republicans who want to spend less and want to actually solve our nation's problem by paying down our debt and those who want to spend more. bill: do you think in the tight senate races you forced them to show their hand on this vote? >> i do, absolutely. i'm actually very surprised

that senator reid would throw his members under the bus on this vote which he knew was not going to go anywhere but which has caused them to have to side with higher taxes on small business, which i think is a very tough thing to explain back home. bill: senator, thank you, john cornyn from the senate with us this morning. good to see you on the hill. >> thank you, bill. bill: martha, what's next? martha: we'll tell you. we have new details coming in on what police are calling is bizarre kidnapping of elderly mother of a baseball legend. armed man taking cal ripken, jr.'s mom from her home. we have the latest on the story and investigation. bill: what is going on? the frantic effort to rescue 900 pounds of pig. ♪ .

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bill: it was a huge effort, martha. martha: really? bill: trying to save the life of an enormous oinker in florida. firefighters trying to rescue a 900 pound pig named strawberry after she slipped into a pond in florida. look at that line, getting the pig back on dry land given its size was no easy job in florida. >> so the four of you trying to keep a 900-pounder from sinking? >> right. well what we ended up doing the pig was close to the edge. so we're using our bodies, to rest the pig against the side. >> yeah. >> so at least the snout was out. so the pig could get some air. we ended up using a ladder with a salvage tarp over it to protect the pig. then we had two straps around the pig's waste that

we used to help slide the pig up. once the pigott footing it did the rest of the work. bill: holy cow, that is a lot lot of bacon, ma'am. neighbors helped keep the head above water until the firefighters arrived. strawberry. martha: why did the pig want to go in the water i'm wondering? strawberry is perfect name. awful a lot like wilbur. moving right along this morning folks. here is a very bizarre story. the police in maryland are really trying to get to the bottom of this whole thing. it is the kidnapping of the mom of baseball hall-of-famer cal ripken, jr.. there they are pictured together several years back. police found violet ripken, goes by the name of vi, in her car and her hands were bound. she disappeared 24 hours before that. her kidnapper, police believe, is still out there. >> she was tied, yeah. she was sore from that. >> at this time we don't

know what if any relationship there was between the perpetrator of this crime and the ripken family. martha: very strange. rick leventhal is in the newsroom with more on this. rick, is there any sign of a suspect in this case? >> reporter: no, martha. the guy had no idea apparently that the hostage was part of one of america's famous baseball families. with a gun he approached 74-year-old vi ripken. bounled her with duct tape and put some kind of mask on her and drove her around central maryland for 24 hours and parked near her home. she didn't know her son was hall-of-famer, cal ripken, nicknamed ire man for playing in 2600 consecutive games. her son billy less played bass ball and her husband managed the team for some time. police say there was no ransom demand. >> we can't say what the motive is. we're still looking at investigation. we're looking at every witness, every clue.

for us to say or speculate on a motive would be unfair and just, wouldn't be true. >> reporter: vi says the man told her he wanted money and her car and said he would return her safely and he did. martha: what more do we know about the suspect if anything, rick? >> reporter: we don't know much. police describe him as white male, early 30s to 40s's. wearing white shirt and camouflaged pants and glass. she police spotted vi some 13 hours after taken. she was found near her home unharmed. police say this man should be considered armed and dangerous and still on the loose. martha: no doubt a traumatic event. thank god she was unharmed but will take some time to get over. thank you, rick leventhal. bill: there is knew questions about the troubling national security leaks. general keane on whether the leaks could be putting american lives at risk. martha: a faye and balanced

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martha: the battle over the president's continue verse shall comments that he made on business and success has put the obama campaign on a bit of defense over the past 24 hours or so. that's how we get started with a brand-new hour of "america's newsroom." we are very glad that you're here with us, today is a thursday. i'm still martha maccallum as i was yesterday. bill: i'm still bill hemmer. it's been two weeks since the city said these words at a campaign stop. the event lasted 40, 45 minutes. toward the end of that stop this is what was said in virginia. >> somebody helped to create this unbelievable american system that we had that allowed

you to thrive. somebody invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business you can't build that, somebody else made that happen. bill: the romney team seizing on that holding, we did build that rally as a small roundtable during the week. he says it's proof the president simply does not get it. >> he said this. if you've got a business you didn't build that, somebody else made that happen. [booing ] >> some say something like that is not jus just foolishness, it's inch constitutional righting to every entrepreneur in america and it's wrong. martha: president obama says he was taken out of context. we'll play the full context in a few minutes from now. rich lowry joins us editor of the national review and fox news

contributor. when you look at all of this and the fact that both campaigns are focusing on this comment, what does it tell you about where we are going and how significant this might be? >> it's a sign that the obama administration must be seeing some indication, some polling that really shows that this cuts, because they are playing major defense. they are up with ads saying this is taken out of context. and i think they also just realized just how jarring that statement is to the ears of most americans. the american tradition is we honor the individual and the individual's success and effort above all else and then we get to the other things. this was slipping the order of that. and it blows away the whole con seat of obama's presidency, this whole political case for himself is i'm a moderate, pragmatic guy, i don't liken creased regulations, i haven't increased

spending so much. then you have to statement that sounds so left wing. martha: it's interesting when something touches a nerve, you o be. it remind me of the joe the plumber moment which was the off the cuff moment, the president said he believed you have to spread the wealth around a little bit. he got a lot of heat about that and there was a lot of discussion about that. do you think this is a pivot in the campaign. >> this is the real strength of the romney campaign is tactical counter punching and taking advantage of moments like this. they are very good at that. i expect there will be a couple of paragraphs in romney's convention speech over this. it's different than most gaafes for two reasons, one i think it's genuinely what the president believes and sue it's not a side issue or something silly, it really goes to the central argument in this campaign, which is over the size and scope of the government, and

how that plays into the economy. martha: one of the comments within it was when he said, you know, you think it's just because you're so smart. and we'll hear exactly the way he said it in a moment. but, you know, a lot of people are smart, you think it's just because you worked so hard, but a lot of people work hard. those are the phrases that i've heard people bring up again after the fact and say, what did he mean by that? >> it's really astonishing. the obama campaign are making the case he's taken out of context, when he said you didn't build that he wasn't referring to the business, he was referring to roads and bridges. he should have said them if he really wanted to be clear. if you read the entire statement his meaning is absolutely clear, and the entire thing is denigrating success. to say you think you're smart, well you're not that smart, lots of other people are smart. you think you're hard-working, well a lot of other people are hard-working, then it comes down to it's a matter of luck and you depending on this collective

effort that has built the infrastructure around you. martha: thank you very much. later this hour we will play the whole section of the remarks. we will have people from the president's campaign and romney campaign on. that is coming up at the bottom of the hour. bill: governor romney is taking his campaign overseas meeting with london's prime minister david cameron and says he will not criticize president obama while traveling on foreign soil. this is the beginning of a two-week trip overseas and carl cameron is traveling with him live in london. what is on the agenda today? >> reporter: you can't beat parliament in the backdrop. mitt romney is behind closed doors as we speak over at ten downing street meeting with prime minister david cameron and the equivalent of the u.s. treasury. behind the scenes mr. romney has discussed the us' economy which

is hurting right now. their gross domestic product has dipped into a double-dip recession. unemployment is rising. things are tough here economically. they've talked about syria, the arab spring and hot button issues. at one of his first phaoeupbgt first meetings with a labor leader he said once overseas he would not criticize and play part son policies against president obama. at the same time ha labor leader praised romney for having a successful olympics. >> when i'm on foreign soil i'm very careful not to be critical of my count throw's policies. >> we come from different vow points but i think it's incredibly important that leaders work together and we

respect the electio the electorate in both countries. >> reporter: for the most part these meetings with the british leaders have been exchanges of pleasant trees, while they have talked issues there hasn't been a lot of ground broken. bill: we will see some more of that when he gets to israel and poland. he expressed some concern for the olympics. how is that playing out, carl? >> reporter: he did. mr. romney, upon arrival said yesterday he was concerned about reports he had read about logistics and said it was disconcerting. while some thought, oh, boy, he was breaking his pledge not to be critical when mr. cameron was asked about that, he said, look the olympics are being held in the busiest and bustling cities

in the world not nowhere, some took that as a swipe about the olympics held in salt lake city. i don't think they will like being called nowhere. martha: we know when president obama and mitt romney will go head-to-head on the big issues, the commission of presidential debates are the folks that organize the three big nights and they've released their schedule. the first one on october the 3rd in denver on domestic policy, followed by october the 16th, in hem mstead, new york. and october 22nd we will find the action in boca raton, florida. really interesting. bill: a major set become now for many still recovering from severe weather in the state of

minnesota, fema denying the state's request for individual aid to help homeowners and businesses impacted by last month's floods. the governor, mark dayton is appealing the decision which people say is deeply disappointing. >> they give us a thousand dollars for a sewage back up that was it. that was a slap in the face. >> you work your whole life and you're not going to get nothing from this government i don't believe. >> minnesota department of safety is pushing for aid and is petitioning the small business administration for small business loans for some of these flood victims. too much water in minnesota and not enough in other parts of the midwest. martha: powerful storms through wisconsin taking down trees and power lines, bringing some relief from the scorching heat they have experienced. residents cleaning up the mess say they are spotting very serious damage out there. >> it was just pretty windy, a lot of lightning and we heard a big crack and it split the try

next door across the driveway, brought all the wires down. >> made a pretty good crack on the roof there. we were in the basement. we said there until it was over with. lucky it didn't crash the house and it was just the tree alone so nobody else would have got hurt from it. martha: wisconsin public service says it may take hours before all of the power is fully restored today. no injuries reported. and some of that bad weather is headed across the coun country and coming to the northeast within the next 24 hours. bill: watch that. are american lives at risk over these national security leaks? >> we have a crisis of confidence in keeping information secret around the world. i can't tell you as the guy who is in charge of this for the house of representatives on the intelligence committee, they are saying we are not sure if we can cooperate with the united states any more. bill: four call general jack

keane weighs in on that in a few minutes. martha: a possible break in the case of two missing cousins in iowa. why this video they believe could provide a critical clue. bill: also a daring rescue at 350 feet in the wear and a very bad day at the office. [ female announcer ] think coarse facial hair removal has to be painful? challenge that with new olay facial hair removal duo. a two-step process that removes even coarse, stubborn facial hair gently. plenty of gain, without all that pain... with olay.

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martha: we are getting new economic numbers in right now on the housing market. first the average rate for a 30-year fixed mortgage fell again. it is now below 3.5% for the first time in 60 years. also, a new sign that the housing market recovery is a pw*eupbbit uneven americans signing fewer contracts to buy homes in the month of june. the housing is so integral to the recovery. bill: how low can it go. new questions whether recent national security leaks are putting u.s. lives at risk.

in his first public comment since the osama bin laden raid the head of special operations now warning about highly sensitive information saying this. quote, we need to do the best we can to clampdown because sooner or later it is going to cost people their lives or it is going to cost us our national security. general jack keane retired 4 star general, retired chief of staff of the army and a fox news analyst. general, good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: when he talks people listen, especially folks like you. what do you take away from the gravity of a statement like that. >> bill ma mccraven, a 4 star admiral is in charge of all special operations worldwide. when he's speaking on a subject like that and he makes a public statement to that effect you can be sure that is hitting him right in his gut, as we continue

to conduct operations day in and day out. bill: there are fingers pointed at the white house, and the white house has responded, david axelrod was out there earlier in the week. he says how do you stop the leaks was the question, you stop it by sending strong signals, strong signals have been sent. there are leaks out of every administration. that i can that last phrase. how do you read that? >> well i think that's probably true, there's been leaks out of administrations about wrongdoing inside of administrations based on what i've observed and people want to row veal that to the media, but i think the characterization and the egregious nature of these leaks, high level national security exposure i think is what has offended so many team. that's why senator feinstein and chairman rogers both in charge of intelligence committees have been so riled up by this as other members of congress v. i have never seen anything like this in all my years in the

military. a double agent exposed during an operation. covert operations being conducted by the c.i.a. and nsa and that is obviously and ongoing operation and also the revelation of our tactics, techniques and procedures used on the osama bin laden raid when we conduct operations similar to that every single night in afghanistan. that's what is so egregious about it because these operations are still ongoing and it puts people another risk and it invites the iranians, once they know that we are conducting cyber attack against them it invites their reta retaliation. a high level source says they have retaliated at new york city banks and hav have nailed at that because they are not up to the skill level that we have. stphaor they suggesting that they have tried tow retaliate with their own computer virus against us. >> yes, yes, they don't have the capability. the iranians have always been an

eye for an eye organization. when somebody does something against them, when they think the israelis have killed their scientists you can see around the world what they did with the israelis and recently in bulgaria, and they'll do the same thing with us, that's what makes this so dangerous and this is what admiral mccraven is referring to indirectly. bill: let me backtrack on two things you said. the exposure of a double sergeant, what is thagent, what is the effect of that. >> it exposes any organization that we're working against to re-look automati all their people and their relationships and get after everyone who they think is double agents. the double agents we have can you imagine what runs through their minds as they are out there and i won't be surprised if some of them backed away from

supporting us because they believe they cannot trust us. i don't know that to be a fact but it's common-sense. bill: david axelrod said they didn't authorize anyone to give this information out publicly. you're saying in your history and career with the military you have never seen anything like this before? >> i've never seen national security leaks that involve ongoing operations and put future operations at risk like we have seen. bill: what is behind that? why would that happen? >> i don't know what their motivation. i read the same thing other people read and speculate about political motivation, but i can't speak for that. i don't know who did the leaks and i don't know what is driving them. all i do know is i agree totally with what admiral mccraven is saying that it compromises our national security and puts people's lives at risk who you out there every day. bill: thank you, we'll talk again. martha: how about this a daring rescue was caught on tape, fire

crews moved in to save four window washers. they were stranded on a las vegas hirise work site. they were struck for several hours up there on the 35th floor of the verdara wh hotel. each one had to be lowered in a harness to the roof of the third floor landing, looks like it was well down. the men called for help when a brick on their basket failed. bill: would you ever do that job? martha: never, never, never. sometimes you hear the scrape on our windows here, a big building in the middle of manhattan. you can hear them coming right by the window. it's for the brave that job. bill: it would be tough for me too walk out on the balcony in that building. new information after michael jackson's mother was stripped of custody of his kids. questions about the will and all that money, honey.

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bill: here we are 24 minutes past the hour now. health officials holding a public forum tonight for people who might have been infected with he hepatitis c at a new hampshire hospital. investigators say former workers stole drugs and contaminated needles that staff later used on patients. militants are being battled in a al-qaida stronghold after a terror group claims responsibility for a wave of deadly violence that kills over a hundred. organizers of the london olympic showing south korea's flag with some athletes, only the athletes

were from north korea r-r. korea. they refused to take the field for nearly and hour. martha: i can understand that. i mean if u.s. athletes went out there and they had the british flag flying next to their face i don't think we'd be too happy about it. bill: i think we'd probably laugh at that one. martha: that's not my flag. bill: right on. martha: there is new trouble for police along our southern border, a spike in the number of illegal immigrants dying on private property as they cross into the country. casey stegall joins us live there dallas. casey, this is a disturbing development. how much of an increase are we talking about in these kaoeufpbdz incidents. >> we want to warn you that the video we are good to show you is grave i can. according to the department of homeland security stats the number of illegal immigrants trying to come into this country is dramatically down, however the number of those who die while trying to do it hasn't really changed. in brookes county down in south

texas 64 bodies turned up on private land last year. they are projected to surpass the 100 mark this year. white is, of course, a tragic loss of life, cops say the death investigations put a serious strain on resources because they are very time consuming. >> when i say three hours, that's just the scene itself. you've still got to do the follow-up, the behind -- the latter part that comes in as far as getting with the medical examiner, and trying to identify this person. >> reporter: for context brookes county down there only has nine sheriff's deputies responsible for patrolling some 954 square miles. for context, that is nearly two times the size of the city of los angeles, martha. martha: as you're pointing out, casey, these investigations cost the taxpayers in these areas a lot of money, right? >> reporter: they sure do. this isn't by the way unique to texas, this is happening in all four border states, but in

brookes county they estimate each one of these death investigations to cost about $1,500. and the majority of the victims die from extreme haoerbgt, exposure to the elements, they have no identification on them, they have an autopsy, and are buried in these graves. other people we talked to have compassion but fear for their own safety saying these investigations detract from other emergencies. >> most of the ranchers like myself and some of the other ranchers that live in this county, my neighbors, we are on our own, ain't shouldn't be with tha that way. >> reporter: folks calling on the federal government to not only tighten border security but also in turn preventing these deaths, martha. martha: casey siegel in dallas, thank you very much. bill: president obama playing defense over controversial comments saying that successful business owners got help from the government. we will play the comments in

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there always a few very small things that end up going not quite right in the first day or so. those get ironed out. then when the games themselves begin and the athletes take overall the mistakes of the organizing committee, and i made a few, all of those are overwhelmed by the many things that the athletes carry out that capture the spirit of the games. so i don't know of any olympics that's ever been able to be run without any mistakes whatsoever. but they are small, and i was encouraged for instance to see that something that could have represented a real challenge which was immigration and customs officers on-duty, that is something which was resolved, and people are all pulling together. [inaudible question] >> i'm not delighted with the prospects of a highly successful

olympic games. what i've seen shows imagination, and for thought, and a lot of consideration and expect the games to be highly successful. thanks again. one more. [inaudible question] >> pardon? [inaudible question] we did speak at some length about syria, about iran,e,ee kweupt, to, egypt, tunis ia, and spoke about the developments in syria. i don't want to refer to any comments made by leaders representing other nations, nor do i want to describe foreign policy positions i might have while i'm on foreign soil. i think discussions of foreign policy should be made by the president and the current administration, not by those that are seeking office. i really am not going to add

anything about my own views on syria. i've commented on that when i was in the united states. i can only say that i appreciated the insights and perspectives of the leaders of the government here and opposition here, as well as the head of mi6. and as we discussed syria and the hope for a more peaceful future for that country. thank you. bill: a lot of helicopters in the backed, could not quite catch the questions there. two about the olympic games. obviously they begin friday night officially with the opening ceremonies and one question about his meeting with david cameron. his tour continues on in london and this debate continues stateside. martha: back to the story we mentioned to you moments ago, the fight over, you didn't build that comment with regard to people's businesses. the president says that the

romney camp has been splicing and tkaoeugs hi and dicing his words taking them out of co context. let's listen to the statement and see what you think about it as home as well. >> if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. you didn't get there on your own. i'm always struck by people who think, wow, it must be because i was just so smart. there are a lot of smart people out there. it must be because i worked harder than everybody else. let me tell you somebody, there are a whole bunch of hard-working people out there. if you were successful somebody along the line gave you some help. there was a great teacher somewhere in your life. somebody helped to create this unbelievable american system that we had to allowed you to thrive. somebody inc invested in roads

and bridges, if you have a business you didn't build that, somebody else made that happen. the internet didn't get create on its own. government research kraoe a*eutd thcreated the internet so all the businesses could make money off of that. the point is we success because we do things together. there are some things just like fighting fires we don't do on our own. imagine if everybody had their own fire service. that would be a hard way to organize fighting fires. martha: all right there is the comment that has got even so much attention. i'm joined now with the president's response from his campaign general saki the traveling press secretary for the obama 2012 campaign g. to have yo. good to have you here today. >> good to be here. martha: they say the obama campaign is working hard to react to this statement and reframe it a bit. how would you like to do that?

how would you like to see if reframed, if so. >> martha as always the best antidote to fall false attacks and inaccurate information is the truth. that's why we've been out there and the president has been out there reminding people of everything he has done to fight for fall businesses and entrepreneurs. i've heard him say countless times, probably hundreds of times talk about the importance of the ingenuity and creativity and hard work of the american people, but he also said, which he said again countless times that there is a lot to do to make sure we provide the environment for businesses and entrepreneurs to proceed, whether it's making sure there are roads and bridges so they can transport their goods, or helping small businesses get their loans. martha: but that's what he cade in this particular instance. and the feeling is and a lot of folks we've spoken to said, they found it offensive if their

family built a business and their grandfather built a business and you hear the president stand up and say, just because you think you're so smart. and there are a lot of smart people out there. and people are saying no, it is because i worked hard and i'm smart that i built this business for my family and i don't have to thank the government for that. >> you heard him say in that same set of remarks that it is about the ingenuity but it's also about working together. the key here is we've gone through a tough time in this country, banks weren't lending, small businesses continue get loans, we know that small businesses are the drivers of the economy and main streets across the country, the president believes that. that's yes signed 18 small business tax credits. the proof is in the pudding here. what has he done, what does his record say about making sure that small business and entrepreneurs, the people who are working hard and are creative are getting the help that they need and that is what this is really about. martha: going back to the idea of the reaction of small business owners, should these

people when they look back on their career say, well, thank you so much to the government, because if it weren't for you guys i never would have been able to achieve what i achieved for myself and my family. >> it's not about at at all. it's making sure that people that have good ideas, the mom and pop shop that are selling cheese in wisconsin, the people working hard to make ends meet every day can have the environment to succeed. that means insuring that roads aren't run down so they can transport their goods, it means helping them get a loan when they get get a loan from local bank because it's frozen up. he's not asking for thanks, this is what he thinks is important to do to help our businesses succeed and help main street recover and reese going to keep fighting for it when he is back for another four years. martha: thank you very much. we look forward to yo to talking to you soon. bill: the other side. kevin sands, your reaction on

what you heard on that explanation? >> i think the reason that the obama campaign is responding and we're using the president to respond is because i think they believe that he screwed up and really told the truth about what he really truly believes when it comes to government's role. i think the crystallize eddie bait we're seeing here before the american public is that governor romney believes is the reason you help small business is you put your faith back in the american people, their spirit of entrepreneurship, their ability to take a risk. there are many people across the country offended by president obama's remarks. they believe now president obama has shown his true -- the true heart and core of hits policies which is that government is the engine for economic development. government bureaucrats are the ones that help the decisions that help grow small businesses. bill: when the obama team says you're intentionally misleading his comments or take his comments out of context, are you? >> we have made every single

effort to put president obama's comments in perfect context. and we've done so by playing the entire slip that you just play clip that you just played as well, every time and pointed out exactly what was wrong with those comments. if you go to www mitt romney clash built by us the full comments are there for people to judge for themselves. we contrast that with the millions of small business owners and entrepreneurs across the country who happen to disagree with the president's statements that their success and the success of the american economy is dependent upon government not dependent upon the -- bill: i understand your point. you know that president obama has an ad out, and in part of that ad he says we need to stand behind them as america always had talking about hard-working every day americans, folks like yourself in fact. what you're arguing is that he's trying to get a redo, do i hear

you right? >> that is exactly right. if you look at the ads, the explanation that he's making, and look in politics as would he know when you're explaining you're losing, it has nothing to do with the exact comments that he made when i was down in roanoke. he says if you had a business you didn't build that, somebody else did. so if you want them to see the comments and the context all you have to do, all the voters have to do is look for themselves. it's perfectly in context and it's actually crystallize he the debate that we're having in the country overt direction we're going to make with this economy. are we going to put our faith back in the american people or our faith in the government, the choice is pretty clear. bill: thank you for your time. >> always great to be with you. bill: thank you kevin madden. 18 minutes before the hour. what is next, martha. martha: new video is emerging right now of two young iowa cousins who vanished nearly two weeks ago. could this be the break that they are desperate for in their case? bill: also, there are new developments in the jackson family feud. michael's mother is angry after she was stripped of custody of his children.

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martha: there is new drama today in this whole jackson family legal battle going on this week. michael jackson's mother, katherine, reportedly is back home safe and sound. that happened after a judge temporarily stripped her of her guardianship which she has over michael jackson's three children who you see pictured there because she had left them for several days. the family claimed she was being held against her will. but she says she was just relaxing in arizona. >> i'm devastated that while i've been away that my

children -- my grandchildren have been taken away from me. martha: what is going on here, right? yesterday a judge named her grandson t. j. as the temporary caretaker of the children because she wasn't home and there was speculation about what was going on. joined by joey jackson, no relation. defense attorney. and lis wiehl, former prosecutor and fox news contributor. i said we need a flow chart to see what side the jackson family members are on. there is a huge fight it sound like, you've got janet and rebbie and jermain and randy over on one side, they want a brand-new will. they think they've been cut out of the 400-plus million dollars i would point out th estate has made skwreupbs michael jackson died. you have the other side which is the three children of michael jackson. basically katherine has been

watching them and taking care of them. and now t. j. has taken them away. >> the judge had no choice in introducing the temporary taking away of the children. she left three kids at home without a guardian. what was the judge to do looking at the best interest of the children at that time, he said you're not going to have custody. when you come back you can have custody. martha: there are security people at the house, a structure in place with the children, like all families they have been communicating via twitter. that's what my family does whatever we want to take to each other. let's take a look at what paris said, here is her tweet that alerted everybody to this. nine days and koupbgt, so help me god i will make whoever did this pay.

the assumption is she is talking about the disappearance of her grandmother. let's take a look at what she said today. grandma is here, thank you, god. joey, what's your take on awful this? >> you know what, martha, i'm not going to do it tweet, tweet. lisa is on point on the issue of custody. it's only temporary. when you do have the disappearance of someone, whether she was kidnaed or left temporarily the judge has to make a decision and make sure the kid arsafe and secure. now that catherine is back there's been a conference that's been held, she says she's fine, all is well, i'm with my children. i think the judge will do the right thing and take custody back and give it to her. martha: i want 30 seconds from each of you on what the heck is going on here with this will. they are saying the willis fake. they want the will redone.

it's no surprise, there is a don of money. >> the parents of michael jackson said he died without a will that, was there first. his business investors said no, wait he signed a well seven years prior to his defendant. they said this will is valid. he gave 40% to his mom and split the other 40% between the three kids. 40% to katherine goes to the kids on her denies. 20% to charity. it all makes sense but of course the brothers and sisters aren't going to be happy with that. martha: does it make sense? what is going to happen now. >> it does. the issue is whether or not it's valid. when the will was executed on july 7th of 1992 there was an indication that michael jackson was in new york not in california to execute the will. while the provisions may be legit and all the rest of it you have to determine whether or not it's valid. it's been probated but it could be revoked. martha: this is ugly already and

my take ta is it's going to get uglier. >> you think. >> you think with that money involved. martha: quick break. we'll have more in a moment when we come right back.

jenna: hi, everybody, i'm jenna leave. coxing up on "happening now" new developments into national security leaks. a man who usually doesn't talk publicly is speaking out. we'll tell you about that bret baier is here to discuss more with us. amy stoddard is here to say why romney may be missing a very key opportunity overseas. we have kelly ayotte and james moran are here on a host of issues. we'll see you in a few pheupblgtminutes. bill: 8-year-old elizabeth

collins, 10-year-old lyric cook, police think the following surveillance video might show the girls riding their bicycles on the 13th of july, that was the day they disappeared. police later found the girls' bikes on a trail nor near a local lake. investigators say they believe the girls are still alive. if you see the pictures on your screen now call local police. that story has been out there now for a couple of weeks. >> there is also a new dramatic 911 call that we have heard from a possible shark attack in the waters off of north carolina. witnesses say the young boy recalled something the size of his arm swimming between his knees before he felt it bite him. the girl's -- the child's aunt, excuse me made the 911 call. listen to this. >> my nephew has been bitten by something, has a huge garb in his leg. we are at 131 west burke street. >> he has a garb in his leg.

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