if the united states is the only mature democracy in the world to do that it sets the world on a new direction. >> casey mcfar land always great to see you. thanks for joining us today. >> thanks, john. this is a fox news election alert. mitt romney tapped paul ryan as running mate and two weeks to go to the republican convention. it sets up for a 12 city and four state, swing state tour. i am john roberts in washington and traveling with him is campaign carl cameron. what is the agenda for the rest of the day. >> he will stop in ashlandd, virginia and then later today in manassus in northern virginia n recent years there

was a change and to the extent it was as a red republican state . it is in large measure atransacted to an influx of voters in northern virginia and much more afluient and moderate and democratic electorate than what was the case historically in virginia. that's where romney will wrap up today. earlier in the debut of the romney ryan ticket. the house budget chairman and author of the ryan budget that so energized the republicans in the last couple of years for a serious attempt of cutting the 16 trillion dollar debt and dealing with the size and growth of government in a conservative way. this is how he put it on the stump as the newly picked romney man. >> we don't duck the tough issues. we will lead. we can turn this thing around. real solutions can be delivered.

but it will take leadership. and the courage to tell you the truth . >> there is a lot of changes in the romney campaign to get this announcement made and we have heard the big change in the upcoming four-state trip. we head down to north carolina tonight where there will be a series of events and we are begin to understand that there will be a change in plan and we'll run to wisconsin. paul ryan's home town and customary for the running mate team to go to the home state of the vice-presidential running mate and will do that tomorrow evening . there are also plan to go to florida and wrap this trip up in the battle ground state of the ohio. romney and mr. ryan will campaign together aggressively this week and soon will split

off and the two will undertake separate campaigns and mr. ryan will be a prolific fundraiser. and they will essentially go stereo with romney campaigning in battle ground and ryan campaigning in others in order to juggle the romney-ryan presence and double $fund raising capacity and take it to the convention and after the democratic convention. we'll see three weeks of fecampaign the entire month of october is going to be filled with debates. there will be three presidential debates and one vice-presidential debate and one debate a week and up to election day . romney-ryan team very excited by the reaction. romney is bouyant and excited

about ryan bringing energy to the cam bane what henied. there is a lot of enthusiasm and confidence building here in the romneyn. it a rough couple of weeks of polls that showed president obama was gaining ground and mr. romney was slipping behind a bit. they firmly believe that romney will supply the juice needed and get more junk back in the republican campaign step and be ahead by the time the republican convention is over. >> there was a lot of energy n and enthusiasm in norfolk. we'll hear from carl throughout the day. we'll bring in our political panel. and we are joined in washington for brad blakeman . democratic strat yist chris hahn. and great to see you today. brad, let's start with you . what do you make of the pick. people thought it was a bold move that mitt romney needed

to make to put new energy in the campaign and people wondering if it was the right pick. >> i don't think it a bold pick but the right pick. you look for a vice-president and look on both sides of the ledger and what he brings tolt campaign as opposed to the negatives. he comes from a battle ground state and budget expert in a time when the knowledge election will turn on the economy . he's young and dynamic and most importantly he's an expert. he's an expert in the budget and both republicans and democrats realize that and they may not agree with his plan as a democrat. but you have to realize he is a play yer he will make a difference in the campaign. >> the campaign is just weighed in with the new ticket. but let's say for demonstration purposes that they win in november. what role do you think that paul ryan would take on in a romney white house. could he almost be the budget director?

>> yeah, i think because as they said that is his expertise it is interesting to speculate what sort of the role ripe -- ryan would play. romney respects him and likes him a great deal and they get along well and have a great working relationship. you expect him to delegate domestic budgetary issuings. paul ryan can be the job's czar but he would execute the come back of america . that is certainly where ryan would spend his time. >> you saw the energy and enthusiasm in norfolk and no question that the romney campaign got an injection of enthusiasm that was sorely needed. you see the romney ryan ticket as effectively challenge obama-biden? >> i think it isy changed the

race it is a risky move for a candidate who was risk averse. he changed it from a revverundum from obama to a choice for a different vision for america especially if you believe in social security and medicare in america. and so i think it is going to get the tea party base but may turn off the swing voters and he may have made his hill harder to climb in florida . did mitt romney say to swing voterss and independents that i have a controversial pick who has policiless you may not like. this will be appealing to independent. they are fiscal conservatives and want the balanced budget and want a congress to help the people. >> latest fox news poll shows

that president obama leads among independents len points and why hasn't governor romney made that case and will the addition of paul ryan give morerence sance. negative campaigning works and the fast amount of money that the president and his operatives has had an affect. having said that. it is not enough to be against obama. we know his record is abysmal on jobs housing and welfare. but what we don't know and what has to be flushed out in the next 80 days we don't know the plan that romney and ryan will put together that is proof positive of where the country is going to go as opposed to where it has been. >> i think that it is very clear that romney has just embraced the ryan plan as is right wing social engineering.

it is a risk yedangerous. look. i think it is an honest choice it shows where the conservative party is and whose sid they are. paul ryan is the first citizens united choice for vice-president. he's there and guys out there who will write seven or eight figure checks based on his policy. taking from the poor to give to the rich. make senior citizens lives much more if ryan's plan is enacted. he voted against simpson-bowles when he had a to vote. he voted against it. that reform. >> wait a second, chris. ryan voted for thingless. it president obama who scratched simpson-bowles. wait a second. president obama formed it and shelved it and when he didn't like what simpson-bowles said. what he did was ignore them and did not act when he should

have acted. and he could have had the act. >> you are lying. >> no, i am not. >> simpson-bowl. brad. let me finish my point. simpson-bowl had 11 voters it would have gone to an immediate vote in the house and senate. ryan had a vote and simpson-bowl got 10 and not 11. if ryan killed simpson-bowls and not the president. the president put a system in place. >> it was his commission. >> ryan could have brought it to the floor and he didn't. ryan could have voted for it and he voted against it. >> and one thing we do know while the president does agree with what is in skim sim-bowles he doesn't agree with everything. the governor has made it all about the economy. does it become budgets and deficits and spending and tax cuts and the thing that is the

governor may not want to talk about in the way that the democrats want to talk about it. >> john, chris and brad are giving a perfect example much case study why the ryan pick is going to take the campaign to the next level. it energizes the conservative and obama and democrats they wanted this pick, too. they would like to shift the discussion you know, to medicare and meda scare . say that ryan would end medicare as we know it. republicans say look, democrats are always make about the ryan budget and all of the republican house voted for it . why not just embrace it. it is really game on and in a question of for the democrats, is it getting what you wished for it might be a case of that. we'll have to wait and see. can you see where the campaign is headed over the next 90 days. >> hold it right there.

and brad and chris plenty of opportunity in the course of the next 50 minutes. we'll bring you back in a minute. what does the obama campaign make of the pick. ed henry joins us with that part of the story in the white house. ed, it didn't take but a few second when paul ryan escaped the governor's lips for the obama campaign to weigh n folks on the left are fired up. it is a bold choice and conservatives. and so are the liberals. they feel like this really plays in the president's strength of how he tried to frame it as a make or break moment for the middle class and he believes that the romney-ryan ticket will be all about tax cuts for the rich and cutting spending for the vulnerable and changing medicare . a statement came out from jim misina. the architect of the radical

republican house budget. ryan like romney proposing a tax cut for millionaires and deep cut in education for head start to college aide and would end medicare by turning it into a voucher system and shifting thousands of health care cost to seniors . ryan rubber staped the bush policy that exploded the deficit and exploded our commempt did you see that rubber stamps and radical and all of the buzz words that the obama camp will use in the day ahead. you heard from steven moore on air saying who better to push back against those attacks than the man himself paul ryan who was with gov mitt romney as they took the ticket. congressman ryan was going to make clear he will push back

hard and gave us a taste of how he is going to frame his own budget plan. take a listen. >> president obama and too many of him in washington have refuse to make difficult decisions because they are more worried about their next election than th are the next generation. we might have been able to get away with this before but not now. we are in a difficult and dangerous moment. we are running out of time . we can't afford four more years of this. >> there you have it paul ryan saying it is a choice election. who has wanted a choice election all along. the obama-biden ticket. if it is a choice about the future, it is not a revverundum on the last four years and obviously as we talk to the romney-ryan tickets they will make the case it is a revverundum on the last four years and make it a choice for

the next four years here in the white house they are happy with the pick because they will be picking apart the ryan budget and less about the president's own record. >> and congressman ryan came out with the first budget proposal. mocrats responded with a campaign adthat showed ryan throwing granny off of the cliff and priorities usa suggesting that governor romney was responsible for the death of a woman from cancer. how ugly is this going to get? >> if that is a preview, it is going to get very ugly. less than 24 hours, we white house briefing pressing jay carner on whether the president would denounce that ad. not by the obama campaign and run by a former white house aide. and obama campaign officials have raised money for the super pac . jay carny would not denounce

the ad. it is clear between the bane capitol and this one this past week about the woman getting cancer and dying that they are going to throw anything and everything they can to not only go after the top of the ticket and now the second person on the ticket as well. >> we'll see how congressman ryan responds to that in the position of the attack dog. ed, thank you so joining us now is republican jason chaffetz from utah . he something common with ryan. they sleep on the cot in the capitol building. good to talk. >> different offices. >> we'll make that distunction. i assume you are happy with the pick. what do you think that congressman ryan brings to the ticket to strengthen the

romney campaign. >> i could not be happier. paul ryan is a man of principle and substance and integrit yewonderful beautiful family. but the substance behind paul ryan is most important. i fear that the democrats will want to engauge in the politics of personal destruction and tear apart the personalities of mitt romney and paul ryan. but it is one of substance. and president obama put forward a budget that not even a democrat voted for. 97-nothing in the senate . last year 99-nothing. and you know, in the house it was defeated 414-nothing . look at what paul ryan has done and balanced the books of the country, i think the country will embrace that. we have serious problems and need serious solution and that's what mitt romney and paul ryan will offer. >> certainly paul ryan is a darling of the conservatives

and there are those who think thishe is a lightning rod and may be pat of the attacks. >> no, look at his success in wisconsin. it is by no means an overly conservative district. he's been able to balance his approach and bring a broad spector of support behind him. not only in wisconsin but nationally. when people look at the threats we face as a nation and hear the demdeps we are just one good tax increase from prosperity it doesn't ring true as america. the country knows we are off track and if you want to turn around there is no one better than mitt romney. but paul ryan is a compliment to that in understanding the budget and appropriations and the process. this could not be a better ticket. i think america will be excited about >> he is a scholar of the budget .

no one can challenge that. talk about the chemistry between them. as much as policy is an important part of campaigning. go back to 2000. gore-leiberman campaign. they liked each other . recent campaign that is we have seen not so much. and what is the chemistry between these two and how can that add to the campaign. >> i know for instance in the early part of the campaign it was not reported. but mitt romney went up in paul ryan's office and talked about the budget and what happening there and there is interaction in the past, i know mitt mitt romney went to wisconsin they spent three or five-days. i talked to them after that. and they really enjoyed the company and their wives get along well . they have young kids that they adore there is a personal

chemistry . paul ryan is a happy person and mitt romney is the same way. paul ryan is going to have to get used to eating peanut butter sandwiches . maybe paul ryan will give him a lesson on bow hunting. >> the atlantic magazine said it is a bro-mance; is it that? >> i wouldn't use those words. i think they have professional respect in understanding the next. when you talk about jobs and economy and growth and how to get the country back to work and pro growth agenda. you have someone who understands how jobs are truly created and that's at a level and depth that mitt romney and romney can talk about . that's where have great cam patibility. great to see you and thank you for taking the time. >> thank you. >> battle ground iowa. talk to governor terry about

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>> mitt romney and his newly minted running mate. shaking hands with folks . been on the road three hours and by all intents and purposes. it injected new life in the romney campaign in a time when many republicans would say they are in need of it. what is the affect going to be in our country. iowa joins us now on the phone. what do you think will be the affect in iowa. >> bold choice and brings you know. he's a bright young orstickulate guy who has a courage to get a plan. under obama the national debt went up a trillion a year the president hasn't put putting together a budget. i think america has a choice.

do we want to be europe or what is going on in greece and spain and we are less than four years from being there. we can't afford it quee have someone who understands the budget and cutting spend taxs and making ouritate sas more competive that's what is happening in mississippi and michigan and iowa and indiana and pennsylvania and show show. those are the battle ground states. we need a president that will do what the republican governors are do and with ryan on the ticket we'll have someone to lead on budget issues. >> you know, governor we said it before and it bears saying again. it is 1960 when a running mate delivered something in terms

of state and electoral votes johnson who delivered texas for kennedy. paul ryan pol pol politician in wisconsin. we see that it borders yours iowa and minnesota. do you think that paul ryan may be able to deliver wisconsin for governor romney and do you think there might be coa tail in your state and in minnesota? >> i think he will be energizing factor in the whole upper midwest michigan ohio and kine dine. they are all key states and they are states that elected the republican governor with the mention of minnesota in the last section . dramatic changes are taking place. illinois has obama's buddies running the state and biggest debt and unfunded liability in

the pension system and they are four billion behind paying the bills. what a contrast with the way wisconsin is run under scott walker and republicans and illinois running under obama's friends i think it is a great contrast and paul ryan want to do for america what republican governors are doing for their states. >> governor branstand we'll see a lot of beautiful iowa over the next three months. come early and often and a great time to be in iowa. the state fair is going on and i intend to take paul ryan around the iowa state fair next week. >> look forward to that coverage. more coming wup steve forbes,

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today we take another step forward in helping the promise was america as we move on in the campaign. it is an honor to announce the running mate and next vice-president of the united states. paul ryan. >> mitt romney in norfolk virginia announcing his running mate for the campaign. steve forbes, editor of forbes media joins us. mr. forbes, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> when you think of people who are important in paul ryan'slife it is jack kemp. he had economics and his

passion and his knowledge. how do you see all of that? >> yes, he's part of the reagan part of the republican party and what will come out in the campaign. paul ryan has positive approaches to the problems and not throwing grandma off of the cliff. it is the opposite. paul came to work for empower america that is was founded by jack kemp and even though a young man he had a keen about in positive ideas and not root canal austerity. and it shows in the policiless that he's put out there today. he's mr. sunshine and not mr. austerity. >> the point that democrats have made and continue to make, more energiically how do you balance the american budget without a spending cut

and raising revenue how do you do it? >> i think paul ryan is not falling in that trap. the purpose of government is provide an environment for the country to get moving . steve jobs and precipitations to create new yobs and businesses. that's what paul is putting on the table. and so instead of taking a green eye shade and narrow budget approach. his team encompasses how to get it moving and that's why there is a tax code and entitlements and that's how it worked for reagan and romney. and don't fall in the i shade trap. have a positive approach and reform. >> and what about medicare. democrats are attacking the ryan budget and they are bound to do it again. they are saying he wants to end medicare and privatize it . he wants to provide vouchers

for health care for younger americans and not those born prior to 1957. obviously. we need entitlement reform. is that the right way to do it? >> it is the right way to do it economically and politically. contrary to what the democrats imply. that's why they use the words medicare as we know it. for 10 years everyone on medicare and going on medicare has the old system. people 55 and younger, get a new system that provides more benefits and more school vencey, why? >> you will allow competition. hundreds of companies competing for that voucher. 11,000 for a couple . lower for those with low incomes. and allows for a saving's account and get private enterprise and innovation and providing better ways to do the health care system instead

of the top down soviet style approach headed for bankruptcy. paul ryan can get that across in the face of attack ads. if you are on medicare you are safe. you will have it for the rest of your life. if you are above the age of 55. but for younger people there is something newer and exciting that will give you more control over your medical care assets. >> you know, obviously mr. forbes, governor mitt romney and paul ryan are on the same page. he would pass the ryan budget. congressman ryan voted for the tarp bailout and autobailout. do you think that contrast will be a problem going forward? >> no, not really. i think in terms of tarp and the approach that paul took at

a time when the american financial system was going in cardiac arrest you throw everything to get over the immediate process. he opposed to the piling on new regulation and it was a short-term expedient to get through is. you throw in the food and medicine and temporary house then when the crisis recedes, you pull back. this administration did not pull back and paul ryan would have. it nearly brought down our system. and in terms of autobailout. short term you can make a case for it but months went by what should have been allowed to happen. which paul ryan would agree with. allow for normal bankruptcy. airlines have done it. and competed again . chrysler which gave the shaft

to nonunion workers and paid off the united autoworkers and that is very different than what paul's approach. it was different than what obama took . again, in a campaign those things can be brought out and the nice thing about paul. it gets beyond 30 second sound bites and they will detect hes had reaganesque sound and not what the temps are advocating. >> it would be nice to reflect that in the campaign advertising. steve forbes, good to talk to you. >> thank you. >> it looks like paul ryan is hard at work aboard the romney tour bus. this comes from the twitter account for romney. we'll talk to the kansas governor, a man ryan once worked for about the big news. i am committed in heart and

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joins suslairry sabito. and senior advisor to george w. bush tom bevit. larry, let's start with you. from your observation point in the university of the virginia, how do you see this pick? it is a national pick, john. it is not a pick designed to win wisconsin or the rough belt. maybe those things happen. but it is about reframing the entire election campaign on a big issue that is worthy of a presidential election as opposed to the gaffes and negative tv ads that we are talking about full-time before

ryan was picked. >> how does it reframe it, larry? >> around the fiscal decisions that be going to have to be made by the next president and congress. they are gigantic and they are important. we weren'ting them at all . we'll have that discussion which ever way it goes. >> you think that romney had an economic plan and many people who deal with budgets, including the responsibility budget say it was not enough meat there for voters to wrap their arms around and sink their teeth into it. do you thang the ryan budget plan becomes the plan. >> it is a whole meet locker and i don't think anybody would not say there is not much on the plate and both sides will chew on it for sure. it is going to be a base democrat base versus the republican base. there is a handful of

undecided voters it is about the enthusiasm level and turn out potential. everything i have seen today conservative base is over the moon about ryan and they really weren't about romney. >> how are the independent voters feeling? >> they will have to learn more about what is in the ryan budget versus what obama is proposing. the campaign will be a civic education in addition to campaign. it will be interesting to see it play out. >> tom, do you foresee a campaign that may be about policy, god forbid? >> oh, i don't know. especially after the last few months it hasn't been that way. romney folks, their thinking it had to come back to the economy and always back to obama. i agree with larry, ryan as a pick hops to force the discussion back to the economy

and issues and does it in a way not necessarily a revverundum about obama. but democrats think they have an opportuni as we discussed they will portray the now romney-ryan budget as medicare ending as we continue . tax breaks for the rich . it is interesting. we are having discussions about very big issues and both sides feel like they have something to offer . >> brad blake, do you think the obama campaign will have to come out with more details. you have the ryan budget out there for people to wade through. does the obama campaign need to come out with more specifics as well about what they would do to trim the budget and lower the deficits? >> yes, if reagan and rhine. rather romney and ryan have a plan. it is incumbent to for the

president to spend. and there is no blaming bush. politicians are fearful incumbent right track or wrong track. he's in big trouble . most american people believe we are on the wrong track and they are not better off today than four yearrs ago. this is the real problems that the president has. and having said that. it is up to romney to offer an alternative . if he does it clearly and concisely. i think we will do well on election day. >> larry, finish off the round in thinking about what brad just said. fox news poll people's feelings about the economy. 57 percent say they are optmistic about the future. but the number said they don't think we have turned the corner yet. how does that play in all of this. >> what it said to me and all election bervers. this is an election in the

gray area and highly competitive. i don't care what polls say about the horse race. elements are there for it to be a close competitive contest and that's why a thorough discussion of what ought to be the issue of the fiscal issue of the united states could determine the election. >> larry, and tom. thanks so much. coming up next, one of paul ryan's former boss current governor of kansas. sam brownbag on paul ryan's career and where it goes from here.

kansas governor sam brownbag joins us now on the telephone. governor, cram ram ryan worked for you as a staffer in 1995 to 1997. can you safely take credit for launching him in the political career he won the election the next year? >> i cannot and would not. paul is talent i was glad to work with him and have him work with me in my office. he really is who he's advertised. great pro growth fiscal

conservative and good family man . that is a great pick by mitt mitt romney. >> what was he like like a staffer. >> dedicate clear mind committed to principles. it was look. we have to get a growth oriented economy taking place by your policiless that we have and need to stick to the principled . very principle just a fun guy to work with. he is a interesting and princeled man. >> and set the bar from being a staffer from senator brown back and vice-presidential running mate. >> he set the curve for former staffers . more than that he is a good friend. i have enjoyed working with paul and i was in the congress when he left my office and won that democrat senate that had

been democrat for 20 years. he did it really in the same way he's gotten the vp pick. hard work and principles and genuine. and people believed him and followed him. >> i don't know if you managed to hear larry stabeto you. he said rather than it being a regional pick that gets a state for governor mitt romney. it is a national pick. do you see it that way. paul is the policy man for the republicans and congress right now. he put the book out on how we make it through our entitlement difficulties and our budget crisis. he's very pro growth and he has a lot of following across america because he's been the first guy with the gut to stand up there and say, here's how we make it through the fiscal mess. >> governor, it is great to have you on to share your thoughts .

really appreciate you taking time out of the your busy saturday. >> happy to do it, john. all the best, take care. >> what are america's voices saying today. joining us leslie marshall and conservative radio show ben ferguson. a lot of republicans say it is a bold pick and the one mitt romney needed to make. >> i think it is a great pick for democrats actually and a great pick for many reasons. we can count on democrats having more support from females and minority and latinos and seniors, thank you, the pick of paul ryan, florida will be ours and that will help to win the election. also this shows that mitt romney was pressured i believe by republicans and by his party because he did seem on a personal level to be closer to tim pawlenty and rob portman and though wisconsin is a swing district, paul ryan is

from. it is not an ohio. and this to me puts him more to the right and really said to independents, bye-bye and that's the vote. thank you i love it. >> is it a great one for democrats and alienate independents. >> she would have said it is a great pick no matter. she wasn't going to vote for mitt romney no matter who he picked. he could have picked joe biden and she wouldn't. paul ryan is hard core conservatives and numbers guy and we haven't had a budget under barack obama and even his own party voted against it and we have trillions of dollars add to the deficit and paul ryan had a plan. for hardcore corn servatives and people afraid of where we are going to the budget he picked the rye guy. he didn't pick good friend. guess what, you don't pick

your good friend to be vice-president . pick someone you want to have dinner with. you pick the right guy for the job. he said i may be better friends with this guy or that guy. but i will pick the best vice-president and not best friend in office and that's why he picked paul ryan. >> leslie, let me ask you this one. he would end made care as we know it and he certainly want to change the program because entitlements can't go on the way they are . president obama plan to tut 500 billion out of medicare and so do they really have the moral high ground to attack on medicare? >> oh, absolutely. first of all. we have to remember this is the largest segment of our population growing. arey i a day coming in theack ae baby boom. look being at with ryan's plan there is nothing that increases as the cost of the health care rises as it will.

we usually need more as we age. not only doctors and i am married to a doctor, i know this. and i think quite frankly that will frighten off a lot of the senior population that live in many state such as florida . paul ryan out shines mitt romney which historically you shouldn't do. >> and should senior citizens be concerned. >> no. senior citizens are born before 1957. >> yeah. this is an issue of fear mongering. you can see barack obama come out and tell them their benefits are going to change . look at the details of what ryan propose. it changes for people who are younger and not people who have it. and that is a problem for obama administration. even barack obama said medicaid and social security is going