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>> today, i think it was an appeal to racial unrest. i mean, davenville, virginia -- danville, virginia, south side of virginia, historically african-american community, strong african-american population throughout the south side of virginia. where they used to have plantations. to say we're going to put you back in chains, you know, makes it look like that the republican ticket are going to be a bunch of slave owners who are going to enslave african-americans again. this is insensitive language. >> kimberly: mitt romney has had it with these kind of comments from the obama camp. >> another outrageous charge just came a few hours ago in virginia. and the white house sinks a little bit lower. this is what an angry and desperate presidency looks like. his campaign and his surrogates made wild and reckless accusations that disgrace the office of the presidency. so, mr. president, take your

campaign of division and anger and hate back to chicago. and let us get about rebuilding united america. >> kimberly: well, the obama team is back tracking somewhat, but certainly not apologizing. is that a wise move, da? a? would you advise the president to make a statement and apologize? >> dana: they should have a meeting and take a deep breath, step back. it is only august. what is today? 13? 15? they have a ways to go. marathon, not a sprint. i understand that you are in a campaign event. the crowd is cheering, and you're into it and you're with the people. and then you say something that you probably would not say in most civil society. you are the elected vice president of the united states. i think they should have just said step too far. emotions run wild on a campaign. we're focused on bringing america back. that would have been a good and gracious way to handal it. >> kimberly: sounds good. maybe they'll take the advice. eric? >> eric: people make

mistakes. people say things and clearly in my opinion it looked like he was trying to be cute and funny. like the way joe does quite often. he made three kind of gaffes in that same speech. but it's always the cover up. it's always what happens in the wake of the mistake that is interesting. what the obama campaign -- here is the obama campaign and the obama white house. what the white house and the campaign are playing ball for each other. the campaign has said no, the white house is fine. joe biden is fine. perfectly fine with what he said. joe biden -- i said this earlier, man up and say i made a mistake. it should haven't used that reference. bad reference. i didn't mean it. clearly i didn't mean it. it would be better. we wouldn't talk about it. but instead, stephanie cutter goes on the talk shows. they're full of it. >> andrea: stephanie cutter says they're full of it and biden tried to explain himself and he made it worse. he said i meant to say

unshackled which implies that african-american are currently shackled. he should have said i'm sorry. the way he said it and tried to cover it up the african-american community says this is not appropriate, any talk of shackling, any of this stuff. if a republican did it, there would be outrage. >> kimberly: batting clean-up, bob beckel. >> bob: in fairness, he was talking about unshackling banks which would shackle a lot of people. a bad use of words. karl rove says it's playing to the racial unrest. i don't know of racial unrest in danville. i know the area well. he says this is a place where there is a lot of, you know, plantations, there were plantations all over virginia. not just southwest part of the

state. i think joe as usual probably did. ace dana said, he did get with the emotion of the crowd. i think the idea of unshackling the banks does shackle a lot of people. >> eric: so you are saying he meant to use that reference, shackling, unchaining? you are carrying water for the guys. he made a mistake. >> bob: i just said that. >> eric: how does that relate? shackling or unshackling refers to a crowd of -- >> bob: what romney has said is he basically wants to take a lot of restrictions off the banks, which if you do that, they will put us back where they were before. shackled under their guillotine which as far as i'm concerned unshackling big banks is the most ridiculous thing you could propose. it will hurt. i said joe said, he should not have used the words but the intent here had nothing to do with race baiting or anything else.

>> dana: now we brought in the french revolution. >> bob: french revolution was cleaner. >> andrea: he said want to put y'all back in chains. you defended biden better than biden did himself. he should have said i shouldn't have said it. the more we talk, the more i perpetuates the story. >> bob: but be careful. if you jump on the other side to suggest that biden is playing to racism here. >> eric: what says a lot about a man's character is how he apologizes for a mistake. to me, president obama and biden, he can't man up and say i'm sorry. made a mistake. we've done it here. you've done it, i've done it. >> bob: i've done it. >> kimberly: you man up.

>> bob: i repeat, yes, i have done it many times. but listen, the fact is romney does not apologize for calling the president of the united states un-american. so why does he just man up himself and take back the socialism and apologist and un-american. maybe that would be a good start. >> kimberly: okay. >> dana: fair point. >> kimberly: andrea, the fact it's coming from joe biden. people take it with a grain of salt because he's known to be gaffe-prone. do they give him a pass like someone else we know? >> andrea: they do. on the left they shake their hands and go oh, joe. it's joe again. but really? think about what they are accusing mitt romney of a serious about sation to a crowd -- accusation to a crowd that is primarily african-american. it wouldn't oh, paul, or oh, mitt if it was another

republican. >> dana: dick cheney in the 2004 re-election had said something like that, imagine, and there would be completely different reaction. any reporter who says differently is not being honest. >> eric: or governor palin. imagine if governor palin said it. >> bob: there were a lot of things that democrats would have said that had the press jump all over it, too. but the point i get back to the banks. he was talking about the banks who should be shackled and they should be shackled hard, because left unshackled they shackled the rest of americans. >> dana: if we get on the substance of that, they are talking about the dodd-frank rules legislation passed in the wake of the financial crisis. some of the stuff in that legislation is really good. some of it everyone has decided, except for people who supported it that it went too far. that it's helping keep down the economy from growing. talk about fix the parts that went too far. >> bob: for smaller banks that went to far, they can fix that. one thing we're talking about, unshackling the small and

mid-size banks. you talk about this as a dirty campaign. if you think this is a dirty campaign, you have to idea what is a dirty campaign. i remember when i had a guy running for senator, in north carolina. they had a white guy holding employment agreement and black guy's hand snatch it out. the same republican party sent letters to the black communities saying if you vote in the wrong place you have $5,000 fine. go down to -- i mean, when richard nixon accused musky's wife of being crazy. this is nothing. this is softball. >> andrea: th last week we talked about a candidate accusing another candidate of murdering a woman. that's pretty low. even you said. >> bob: i thought it was a bad use, that last line should have been dropped out but not that tough. >> dana: that's a question. so it's only august 15. we have until november 6. where do thing goes from here?

>> bob: starting to get tougher but in the scheme of things it's not that tough. >> kimberly: there is a lot of criticism of romney saying he hasn't been tough enough, he needs to step up to the plate. give the conservatives a little bit of what newt did or stand up like sununu and fight back, have punch to it. do you think this is in keeping with what he should be doing or not far enough? >> eric: we just talked about that with the sound bite running of romney. he is speaking with a different vigor in his voice. i think paul ryan selection is probably a lot to do with it. very quickly, purple poll, poll that polls the likely voters in swing states. the swing is happening. the polls are starting to move toward romney contributing because of the president obama ryan pick. not colorado but virginia, ohio, florida moved toward romney. we will see more of romney. >> kimberly: bob is going to say it's within the typical margin of error. >> bob: no, no, no. >> eric: romney is leading in florida, ohio, and

virginia. >> bob: ohio? >> eric: florida, ohio, virginia. >> andrea: the bite we played he was measured and very tough. he was calm. but the obama campaign in trying to i guess attack him, or attacking them for this, they came out and said -- let me finish. he tried to paint romney as being off the rails. >> kimberly: unhinged. >> bob: romney was running a dirty campaign himself by opening his mouth and calling the president of the united states un-american. that is a dirty campaign. romney clean up his own act first. >> kimberly: go back to chicago which is what you should say when you want to take somebody's job. >> bob: you think it's okay to call the president of the united states un-american? >> kimberly: i didn't say it's okay to call him un-american. but i hardly think mitt romney is unhinged or out of line. >> bob: that's out of line. >> eric: to be clear, did he callresident obama un-american or his policys? >> dana: policies. >> bob: it doesn't matter. >> eric: it does matter. >> bob: did he say the republicans were going to chain them? joe biden said the bank, the banks are unchained.

you guys are giving romney a pass. romney has been tough or tougher and his facts have been worse in attacking obama than the other way around. >> kimberly: all the ads accusing -- >> bob: it wasn't something attacked? >> kimberly: all right. >> bob: we'll take it. >> kimberly: coming up, if you are a senior citizen will medicare be around if mitt romney wins the election? we have that answer when we come back. stay with us. ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> dana: all right. paul ryan budget proposal included a way to preserve medicare become a lightning rod issue in the 2012 presidential race now that he stepped in the race. this morning, mitt romney was asked where he stands on ryan's plan. here was his answer. >> congressman ryan joined my campaign. and his campaign is my campaign now. we're on exactly the same page.

miff campaign has made it very clear. the president's cuts of $716 billion to medicare, those cuts are going to be restored if i become president and paul ryan becomes vice president. >> dana: all right. "weekly standard" editor bill kristol had some interesting insight on the differences between the medicare plan. here is bill. >> obama thinks $700 billion from medicare to pay for obamacare. this pile, that pile. ryan's budget says okay, we can save $700 billion by reforming medicare and put it in the medicare trust fund to make medicare solvent for the future. take money from medicare and put it in the future of medicare. romney said that's complicated. just leave medicare alone, we'll fix it going forward. in any case, we're not taking $700 billion from medicare. ryan and romney have a small difference. romney is the candidate. ryan is running on the romney plan. period. >> dana: all right. medicare, nothing short of complicated. but one thing that the republicans, political consultants off-camera and on

background are saying is that maybe ryan wasn't a great choice because now republicans have to talk about medicare. but, andrea, is it possibly a brilliant move that now we talk about medicare and bill kristol says cut $760 million in medicare to pay for obamacare. ryan would have preserved it in the trust fund and romney says we'll deal with it later. maybe it's not such a bad idea. >> andrea: it's risky, but now watching ryan and romney explain it, i'm a little bit relieved. i do think a lot of people worried this is complicated, the democrats are going to say everything, paul krugman will write columns saying they are going to kill somebody over this! they will actually kill people over this plan. but listening to them, dana, the more i hear both of them i'm so glad it's happening. there is a lot of seniors out there that don't know the truth and don't know that their medicare has already been cut. we can sit here and debate the plans back and forth. what are romney and ryan going

to do. the fact of if matter is, obama already cut it. it's not a plan. it's the law of the land. i'm glad they can say here is the difference. ryan will put in a trust fund. romney said you know what? i would leave it back in medicare. it's a great answer. >> bob: obama has not cut your medicare one iota. >> dana: he did! >> bob: number two, what romney says here is let's put it all back in medicare and deal with it down the road. doesn't want to argue about it. we shouldn't be dealing with it down the road. >> dana: where is there evidence that obama did not cut $760 million -- >> bob: i haven't heard a single person to say that. >> dana: it's a fact. it was in the bill. >> bob: the bill went forward and implemented certain changes in medicare to lower the cost of medicare. >> dana: what are the changes? the independent panel that would decide what cuts are going to be made to medicare. >> bob: what is wrong with that? >> dana: what is wrong with that is got controlling rather than competitive defined contribution thing. this is a problem with this thing. medicare is so complicated. kimberly, you next, because it's so much easier to say

they're going to take away your medicare than it is to explain no, actually, blah, blah, blah. this is what is actually happening. it doesn't work in a 20-second sound bite. >> kimberly: that is the problem. they want to do the politics of fear. it's incumbent upon the romney campaign to get out in front of this and define it versus being on the defensive. specifically state to the seniors out there, to those voters in florida that are listening to this. right? because you have to explain. you to lay it out in clear terms as you see at the table, there is confusion as what is real and what is imagine. if you go to mitt romney.com -- >> bob: there's a place to go. >> kimberly: well, it's his plan, so if you want to know if you should vote for him as president go to his website and read what he believes instead of demonizing and tagging on his ankle what ryan's plan is. he is the top of the ticket. he is going to make the decisions. that's the bottom line. >> dana: do you mind if we getter rick in here? i want to ask a strategy question. paul ryan announced on saturday, did a "60 minute"

speech and now on the road doing fundraising. that's important because the race will be expensive. do you think he should get on air and do interviews explaining the situation? >> eric: absolutely not. it spent the better part of all day today and trying to figure out the plan. this is what i found out. i'm not sure it will work. it's not a mandatory switch over from the defined benefits to the defined contribution. that is going to be a problem. people have a choice to not do a thing. people are lazy, they might. here is the issue. it has to be laid out this way. either you have obamacare or you don't. because obamacare literally may kill you. you say romney did kill, this could kill you because of the independent panel. that board will be a big problem. bureaucrats deciding what fiscally is responsible for which operations -- >> bob: that's not going to happen >> andrea: yes, they are. >> eric: when you are sick, there is no amount of money you wouldn't willing to pay to feel better. i know you have someone else deciding what is good or not

good. and whether it's worth the money and the expense. >> bob: beside going to a website -- >> eric: i didn't go to a web page. i spent a whole day reading up on. this >> bob: i'm saying this has been explained to me you can go to the free market insurance company and get a program, or if you don't that, romney says you go back to medicare. that means that medicare hasn't changed one iota and probably means it will go up in cost. >> andrea: look at history. medicare part "d." i was on capitol hill at the time. dana, you may have been in the white house. everyone was very nervous about it. i remember members of congress were saying oh, my, gosh, we have to explain it to the district. now ask any senior, they love it. change is difficult. explaining is tough in politics. seniors are very savvy when it comes -- >> bob: what is tough is believing for a second that the health insurance companies in this country will play fair. they won't. they'll jack up prices. >> eric: if you want a sale

for the romney plan? here is the sales pitch. all the seniors with medicare advantage it's going away under obamacare. it's gone. >> kimberly: that is the fact. >> bob: what which you pay for anyway. >> eric: no, no no,, no, bob. no, no, no. you personally pay for it. it's also subsidized. stop it. that's disingenuous. medicare advantage is going away. >> bob: not disingenuous that romney will take care of the medicare needs if you don't like it in the free market system? >> dana: romney hasn't detailed his plan, which is a problem. if you don't supply the details your opponents will do it for you. the ryan plan specifically is what it is. here is the other thing. it doesn't matter. that bill was voted on. rejected by the senate democrat. he's now the viceth candidate. i'm romney's guy. it doesn't matter. the bill is going nowhere. >> bob: why isn't romney explaining it? that was the explanation this morning. >> has explained it. >> bob: has it worked? does anybody understand it? >> andrea: i understand it.

>> bob: that's good. >> dana: we have to go but this was a rivetting discussion. special operations veterans are not happy with president obama. let's take a listen. >> as a citizen, it's my civic duty to tell the president to stop leaking information to the enemy. it will get americans killed. >> dana: that is part of a new documentary out today that questions the president's role in leak about the bin laden kill. we'll be back in a moment. ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ >> eric: the nobel peace prize winner in chief is quick to take credit for killing

usama bin laden. that plays well with his leftist friends but it sure is not sitting well with a group of special tops military guys. a clip of a movie they made about the dangers of loose lips in the white house and making it clear exactly who killed bin laden. >> you need intelligence to be able to identify your target. capabilities of your enemy. and to determine how you are going to operate against the enemy. it's the foundation of everything. >> good intelligence is the difference between wasting lives on a mission, or getting a mission done to the exact specification as ordered to achieve. >> mr. president, you did not kill usama bin laden. america did. >> eric: any questions? >> kimberly: they think it's fine when hollywood goes out and releases films extolling the virtues of president obama, he is the most amazing wartime president out. that will be out on december 19. nice film by kathryn bigelow

about the mission. but how about this? you are compromising intelligence and national security and people in the field, okay, that are doing the operations every day and night working on this stuff to keep the world safe. not just this country. so why compromise it for political advantage? >> eric: andrea, get in here. there is a whole list of, seven or eight examples they use of classified information being leaked. they have a problem with it. should they? >> andrea: their lives are on the line. it's special tops, intelligence community, other members so a broad group of people who put their lives on the line. this is a very potent argument. the most potent is when dianne feinstein democratic senator came out and she questioned the administration's motives. this isn't partisan. this is a really big issue. it's about our safety. some say is this the flip vote attack? i don't know if i would go that far. a lot of people still give the president credit for what he did. >> eric: the president

credit for what he did. >> andrea: i still think it's hard to take that away from him. >> these guys want to know about that bush? what about the infrastructure that was put in place under bush administration? a little credit there. >> dana: history will decide that and he will get due credit for that in time. he didn't worry about legacy. he said last year i read a book about george washington, three books about george washington. historians are still writing books about the first president, the 43rd doesn't have a lot to worry about, because he will never know what history says about him. i'm comfortable where he will be in history on that. >> eric: very patient, by the way. >> bob: thank you. what you have got here is not, as andrea describes it, broad brush of the c.i.a. these are a small group of people who are against obama. obama did order the death of bin laden. the guy is wrong. the idea to suggest that the president of the united states, leaks intelligence information and jeopardize people on the field is close

to treason. that is close to treason. >> kimberly: don't look over to me and talk about treason. i'm telling you, i do have right now people, sources in the field. i'm telling you there is not a lot of love for this guy because of what he said. he compromised their safety and their families and national security. this is not a small group. you are ill-advised if you have been told that. >> bob: how many of them are on this movie? all i'm saying is if you are suggesting that the president of the united states is doing is intentionally putting these people under harm's way is -- >> kimberly: no one is making that accusation. >> bob: it is. [ overtalk ] >> dana: there were 250 sworn affidavits saying, swearing to what they said was true. >> bob: they get fined. fined. >> eric: we don't have time to run the sound bite from "zero dark thirty" which is

the bigelow movie. there is information that people believe, she may have said she has access, her people had access to the department of defense and c.i.a. classified documents. >> kimberly: she verified that. >> andrea: look at the "new york times" article, there is a lot of information. how would the "new york times" get that information? did they stumble upon it? break in to the c.i.a.? how did they get the information? maybe it's not that president obama is trying to get seals killed but he is trying to get re-elected. he will do whatever it takes. >> bob: that is certainly the implication of what the guys were saying. if i were them -- i assume they are out of the military now. they ought to take their benefits and go home. >> eric: leave it there. coming up -- >> kimberly: that is not appropriate. disrespectful to people in service to this country putting their lives on the line. >> bob: they attack the president of the united states. >> kimberly: you're making accusations. >> bob: happy to make them, too. >> eric: we got to leave it. the most ridiculous story. woman feeding the hungry in philadelphia may have to pay hundred of dollars for feeding some kids. why?

because she didn't get the government's approval first. andrea has that next. ♪ ♪ every school day.

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now send it back to new york and "the five." ♪ ♪ >> andrea: welcome back to "the five." philadelphia's nickname is the city of brotherly love. community that helps one another. that is one honorable resident has been living up to. an je la has been giving free lunchs every day to poor kids in her neighborhood in the summer. but now if she keeps it up, she could be fined -- get this -- for not clearing the food give-away with the local government.

>> they could be doing a whole lot of other things. you have houses here, roofs are falling in. i mean they could be focused on a lot more serious issues. than me feeding children. >> andrea: absolutely! dana, i guess tons of e-mailed flowed in, so now the city, mayor nutter is standing behind her. the city said wait a minute, we're not going to fine you. you still have to pay $1,000 to go in front of the board and get a permit. we're not going to fine you $600 a day. the government regulating every area of our lives, even do-gooders. >> dana: what struck me another resident alerted the council about the distribution. you would not want to be that person's friend. whoever alerted the council because she was doing something that was kind. >> andrea: eric, this isn't a neighborhood that is affluent and a snob calls up and says i don't want this going on. this is neighborhood where the kids need help. the ample income is $19,000 a year. this -- the average income is $19,000. she used to do a give-away at

local church but she had a baby. so she is bouncing a baby and giving out lunchs. can the city give her a pass? >> eric: mayor nuter tried to say no feeding homeless independently because he was trying to starve the homeless in to shelters to get other forms of assistance, whether they need medical care, psychiatric care, whatever. ridiculous program. they should let this woman help kids who need help. the other thing is does she still have to pay $1,000? >> dana: for a permit. >> eric: i'll do it. find out where it is, check is in the mail tomorrow morning. >> dana: i'm going in front of a board next week and i need $5,000. >> andrea: i'm going to bloomingdales to do charity work. i need $5,000. >> i'm being very serious. send it from "the five." >> andrea: play devil's advocate a little bit. does the city need to keep with all the zoning law, though? >> bob: first, nice of you

to do. i don't get it. churches can do these things, feed the homeless without permits. i do a program or did a program living in washington down in the square where we didn't have permits. we just put baloney and cheese sandwiches together and gave them out. we have didn't have a permit. if people are willing to feed people, food that is not, you know, loaded with poison or something let them eat. these people are hungry. get this through your head. other services are wonderful but if they're hungry they need to eat. >> andrea: isn't there a bigger point, too. that the government is telling poor people where they can and cannot eat? democracy they're telling poor people and children you can starve. if you don't have the proper ordinary ordinary, you're violating the rules so go to bed hungry. >> dana: she should have gotten a key to the city. >> kimberly: where do we decide these are the rules? can't hand lemonade stand. can't feed homeless hungry children. it's really wrong in every

way. >> bob: what message does it send to anybody else who wants to do it? >> kimberly: that you'll be penalized punished. >> bob: you can't do it. hold back. >> andrea: government wants to control every aspect, even poverty. did you see the nike ad that aired a bunch in the olympics? for some reason it's controversial to some people. we'll fill you in when we come back. don't move. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] if you had a dollar for every dollar car insurance companies say they'll save yoby switching, you'd have like, a ton of dollars. but how are they saving you those dollars? a lot of companies might answer "um" or, "no comment." then there's esurance. born online, raised by technology, and majors in efficiency. so whatever they save, you save. hassle, time, paperwork, hair-tearing-out, and yes, especially dollars.

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greatness is not a grand dna strand. it's not some precious thing. greatness is no more unique to us than breathing. we're all capable of it. all of us. >> bob: that was nike greatness ad featuring 12-year-old nathan soro from ohio who weighs 200 pounds. some critics of the ad are saying it only creates more of a stigma for obesity and exploits the young man.

you think he is exploited? >> eric: no. but i really didn't get it, the ad when it watched it. i saw it a few times in the olympics and trying to figure it out. at first, i couldn't hear the copy. when i listen to it -- look, so they want to expand and say look, just get out there and start running. it's a good thing. i think kids, it will inspire kids to run. >> bob: you think he's exploited? >> kimberly: i don't think he is exploited. it's good for other children to see. even adults to see that i admire this young man, the courage, the determination to want a healthier, better life. to try and lose the weight. that's good. it's not putting some glamorous athlete. it's putting a child. someone, a real face and person who is trying to better their life. that's great. >> bob: then he tried out for this. he asked to do this. >> dana: you had to apply. he wanted to do it. he said he received plenty of support and the haters just motivate him. i thought is a good way to live your life. >> bob: he is getting beat up by people. >> dana: people who work at universities who want to get in the news.

>> bob: what about the people who are jumping all over this kid? >> andrea: a lot of it is, i guess, obesity -- >> bob: why are you pointing at me? >> andrea: i'm not pointing at you. i would not do that. you have actually lost a ton of weight and you look great. this kid is getting dumped on by obesity advocates. he says no. i don't think nike was trying to hurt anybody. they were trying to inspire. what is the motto? used to be just do it. now it's you can do it. you had a great idea, bob, what they should do. >> bob: follow this kid over the years and see if he loses weight. if he does, work him in the olympics. >> dana: do they say the same about the show "the biggest loser." eric, you don't need to relate. you are if it and not be in that situation. >> bob: used to be a fit guy. >> eric: nike sells sneakers. you watch the commercial, inspire to be usain bolt. aspire to be -- >> andrea: dana does.

>> dana: aspire to meet him. >> bob: bring in another topic. it started to play football, peewee football league at 7 years old. a kid now wants to start. 12 years old and wants to be in peewee football but he weighs 300 pounds and over six feet tall. they won't let him play pee-wee. i can understand given that size he might do damage to kids. but this kid is saying he doesn't know anything about football and wants to learn. that's how i learned to play the game. i'm of a mixed mind of this. >> kimberly: it's a problem because they talk about a weight designation and would he have an unfair advantage or injuries to other children. in a different -- it's like fighting outside your class in boxing. your weight division. so you're not going to put a heavyweight against a lightweight or featherweight, et cetera, welterweight. so that's what they are saying. i feel bad for him. it should be allowed to play. breaks my heart when kids can't play sports. >> bob: he has alternatives but there is a case to be made. first, this is their -- pee wee is an organization to make

their own rules, right? this is their rule. >> they can make their own rules and they're called "pee wee" for a reason. this is different than the nike ad. imagine to get yourself 300-pound nose tackle in all you have a giant super bowl team. get the biggest kid. >> kimberly: another kid could get hurt. >> bob: met many in my career. think about that. 6'1", 300 pounds. the average kid in pee wee is what? 5'2", weighs -- >> dana: 5'2"? i aspire to be 5'2". >> bob: that is a concern, the kid will roll over someone. >> dana: manual if you're a mom looking over the team and want to make sure your kid is not going to be injured. what i'm amazed -- i learned two things. one, kimberly, you know a lot about boxing. >> kimberly: i love boxing. >> dana: that came from the heart. we appreciate that here. >> kimberly: thank you. >> dana: on "the five." second thing is pee wee that is a politically incorrect term. university i went to had to

change its name. i think it's outrage and they should change it to young person's football game. >> bob: would you let your kid play in this with 6-foot, 300 pounds? >> eric: no. honestly, i'm all for freedom of games and may the best team win. but this, kids could get hurt. kimberly is right. there is probably something else to play. >> dana: mentally, they said he could play with the high school team. if you're 12 you don't have the maturity yet to play with the high school team. >> eric: he could get hurt. >> kimberly: girls that are great kickers, too. >> bob: if you have something the say to end the segment? >> kimberly: what do you mean? besides boxing? yeah, one more thing is up! >> bob: next. >> kimberly: is up next! >> bob: up next. ♪ ♪

>> kimberly: all right. thanks for staying with us, because it's time now for one more thing. we put our own personal touch on the show of what we want to talk about. dana, what is yours? >> dana: i came across something that i think is a good show for people to watch if you are on any sort of employable scale. because if you are employed you should be worried about those who are not. there is a program that the sundance channel is rungful eight-part series, hour long where they track people in the

get-to-work program. part of strive, the program called get to work. it follows people that you might think would be hard for them to get a job. they go through the program and sundance channel films it. we have a little bit of a clip. ♪ >> my job history is bad! >> i violated probation so many times. >> why can't i keep a job. >> you will come in tomorrow ready to work. ♪ >> we are looking for blood, sweat and tears. >> we have a tough love approach here. >> ready to provide you my daughter. >> dana: great program. >> kimberly: excellent. eric? >> eric: quickly, when you do morning tv sometimes you interview the vice president, or the presidential nominee or sometimes you are doing crazy stuff like interviewing mary whipple. and usa gold medalists and things like this happen. >> ready? >> how will i know if he is doing it? >> ready. go.

go! go! go! you can do it. >> big turn, big turn, big turn. if we don't turn in the boat, though. >> well, we do. >> i steer and i tell you, you're winning. we're going to win the olympi olympics. >> that was his idea. >> bob: stick to another sport if i was you. >> kimberly: baseball? bobby? >> bob: today is national relaxation day something i desperately need today. it's a day according to the statement, today is a day to enjoy either doing absolutely nothing, or partaking of your favorite relaxation activity. that is a little dangerous. but in any event, here is the idea. do nothing today. go to a spa. go fishing. play a round of golf. that's distressing. lounge around in a what moke. hammock. do gardening. go to movie. have a picnic in the park. >> eric: that is the new work rules for welfare. >> kimberly: andrea?

>> andrea: every once in a while you hear a story and it warms your heart. i want to share this with you. a very good friend of mine, kathryn ohara is 12 years old donated her hair, her very, very long hair. there it was before. to locks of love. a wonderful charity. there it is. she looks so good with her cute bob now. she did it this hon n honor of someone special in her life and in my life. thank you. you are a star. at 12 years old. i loveed my hair. i would haven't cut it off. you look great. it was so selfless of you to do that. we just appreciate it. >> eric: "hear! hear!" >> kimberly: that was nice. absolutely. i want to say i was going to do something but instead i'm going to say happy birthday to my little brother anthony. he is 6'3" but he is my little brother. he was born today many years o. i helped raise him since he was eight so he is close to me. happy birthday. can't wait to see you tomorrow. >> bob: where is he? >> kimberly: on a plane. >> dana: 20 seconds. what was the other