every night of the democratic con vention. next week when we're live again. we do not plan to take a day off until sometime after. we care. your money. our life. >> andrea: hello, everyone. i'm andrea tantaros with juan williams, eric bolling, dana perino, greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city. this is "the five"! ♪ ♪ >> andrea: the republican national convention kicks off monday in tampa, florida, and "the five" can't wait as we will be there live all week. bringing you the latest and greatest of the gop convention. it's looking like it will be a pivotal week for the republican party and the rya ryan-rahn -- the ryan-romney ticket. the latest race for the white house is a dead heat. as the republicans tray to capitalize and take their message, the battle will only

get more intense, as did the one-on-one last night between our pal juan williams and sean hannity. >> mitt romney, called a murderer? called him a felon? >> president obama didn't call him a murder. they did not. what they said is he was in charge of bain, b abin closed the company -- >> he was out of bain by the time. >> he was signing on the bottom line as the leader of bain. i think the add is scurrilous. >> why doesn't obama say it? >> he's supposed to punch back when republicans say things like the >> what do they say? >> you're a welfare president trying to make the whole country -- >> 8 million americans on food stamps. >> it's not ridiculous, it's offensive. racial implications. >> it's true! >> andrea: so forget the fact the words between romney and obama. u and sean hannity went at it. >> juan: we did. people told me it's great tv. intensity of it suggests that

people think this is a very negative campaign. and the question is from both sides, who is more negative in you look at the poll, talk about the polls later, people think both sides are being too negative right now. the reason that we did that segment is because rick warren, the evangelical minister said he is not going to have a session with the two of them on stage, because he thinks there is too much negativity. >> greg: do you buy that excuse? ricfrom rick warren? nobody committed to going. i've don it with parties and i sent out invitations and i don't get any. you know that party i was planning, turns out i'm going to be out of town. i'm too embarrassed. >> dana: i've been thinking about that, too. rick warren is a person that could have a venue where there is discussion. disappointing that you said not to have it. >> andrea: when he did it in 2008 it was really fascinating forum. a lot of information came out of it. all right, eric, i want to ask you, as i mentioned before. >> eric: sean was right.

[ laughter ] >> andrea: statistical -- juan is sitting next to you. >> juan: that's fine. sean was right. kerry wasn't swift voting in 2004 and obama wasn't a terrorist in 2008. >> eric: i said this year on the show, juan, the most egregious swift voting i've seen many my life is the cancer ad that priorities usa put up. that was swift voting. >> greg: wait. you are confusing me, i think swift voting is a good thing. >> juan: you do? >> greg: tells the truth. if swift voting tells the truth how can it be bad? >> eric: the connotation of swift voting is cheap, political attack not -- >> greg: we should ban the phrase. >> juan: my word of the day. "scurrilous." >> greg: an aggressive squirrel. squirrels coming after you. you to run and hide. >> andrea: speaking of going after each other, despite the fact that the campaign has

gotten negative and the president spent millions of dollars taking out negative ads, the polls are a statistical dead heat. it's not working. this is right in the dead of august. this is rare. >> dana: i think if you were to go back. we pulled the tape of our show in june, we sort of all predicted this. right? obama had a terrible june. he had a pretty good july. both of them have had a whatever august. now it's in a dead heat. that's what the media wants, right? everybody is going to want a dead heat up to the end. let me tell you, around october 20 is when you start seeing the main stream media say obama is pulling ahead and they will help him. >> andrea: an interesting number two from the fox poll is independents. by ten points. does this make you nervous, juan? independents sway elections. >> juan: yeah. >> andrea: ten-point lead. >> juan: first, i think it indicated there is only like 10% of americans who are undecided in the election. it's a base election. both sides are pretty much set. the thing is independents this

year have switched back and forth. until this poll they were in w obama. previously they were with romney. then to obama. now back to romney. ten points. in 2008 we saw obama win independents by eight. now trailing by 10. that is an 18-point swing. not good news for the obama campaign. >> eric: can i throw a question to you? how many there are so many factors to determine the election? ohio, florida, women, vote. >> andrea: virginia. >> eric: virginia. so many things. i mean, if you listen to the pundits you have to win evening. you guys, both, how much -- what percentage of latino vote does romney have to win to win the election? 30 to 35%? >> andrea: that is an area where he is weak. one area i agree that demographic is leaning toward president obama. i will say this, though. after all the negative advertisers, seniors according to the latest fox news poll. romney leads with them other the last few weeks they named

paul ryan. ber reasonable ophiasissing he will take away medicare and push your granny off the cliff. the interesting area to me is political enthusiasm. that beared out in the fox news poll. it showed g.o.p. voters by double digits are more enthusiastic to turn out. that makes the biggest difference along with independents. >> greg: if you look at the numbers, the race is tighter than chris christie's underwear band. i get tired of the polls separating things out by identity. by hispanics and blacks and women and elderly. we're never going to get out of the identity politics. >> juan: you didn't like that one? >> dana: i was trying not to laugh. >> greg: that is the problem with polling. i want a candidate that unites everybody. we continue to keep dividing it. i know we do it because that's how you do polls but it depresses me. that's all we talk about. he gets all the black, he gets all the white, he gets all the

elderly and he gets all the young kids. >> eric: so many factors ar are -- >> juan: wait. [over talk ] >> eric: wins ohio and only gets 10% of the latino vote. is he going to win or lose? >> juan: as andrea told you if obama gets 10% of the latino vote he is gone. there are variables in the game. one of the variables not chris christie's underwear band i like better paul ryan's abs. later, the girls -- >> eric: nancy pelosi's facial scan. >> juan: you are so mean. >> andrea: wow! this is a happy friday. getting personal. >> dana: the fox poll four weeks ago, there is a significant difference in one month. even though the -- maybe it was the ryan choice. >> juan: no. the fox poll previously was registered voters. this time they're doing likely voters. it's different. if you still do register, obama would be in the lead.

by the way, you are complaining, greg, about the way things are broken out. we just live in polarized political times. it don't think it's as a result of polling that imposes this. if you look, we were talking -- >> greg: polling drives behavior. >> dana: that's what you do when you try to sell a product. if you sell -- we talked about that, they're not trying to sell a human being. >> greg: but a human being is not a product. that is a depressing asset. if a person has certain hair, you sell them a certain hair product. >> dana: like your just for men. >> greg: i was going in a different direction. >> andrea: this is so personal. >> greg: that was totally directed at me. it's the little people. they're evil. my point is we're now targeting types of people, minority based on the fact they have to be the same color skin. that's depressing. gawps it is depressing.

we can survive obama but not the people who vote for obama. talk about personal. >> andrea: talk about personal and not chris christie's underpants for once. next week, tampa, we'll all be there. juan, what can we expect? what does romney have to do? >> juan: he has to get more personal. he has to say to people, a plan, here is why it will work. one thing we saw in the poll today even though americans, there is a big jump, gap in terms of people approving or disapproving obama performance on the economy and right now, the majority disapprove. but then when you ask what about the future it's tied between obama and romney. if romney can say here is my plan what i'll do, he can get a boost. >> andrea: hes a stage with millions of people. this is the time to present himself. what do you think he needs to say to unite the party? >> eric: he is doing it now. picked the right guy for vice president. highlight paul ryan. stay on jobs. forget the other satellite stuff that the left wants to

do, stay on job. >> dana: three things to focus on. economy, federal budget deficit and spending and job creation. those are the three main things. they have to have a little fun. they have a great name. we built this. they need to at least have, you know, be happy that they got to this moment. >> juan: they got to appeal to you, dana. >> dana: they got me. >> andrea: you are a master of fun. >> greg: true. that was my nickname. malser of fun. mitt has to field a script from the media. media will try to make it about social issues, abortion and he has to make it about the economy. nobody will do it for him. the most important factor at the convention is the mini bar. without a myny bar, there is no mini me. interesting fact about dana the mini bar is a walk-in freezer for her. >> juan: that's good. >> the anarchists of occupy wall street will be there. >> andrea: they are.

>> eric: you know what they are called at the dnc? delegates. >> andrea: traditionally the opposing party stays quiet in convention. they let the party get their own media and have a positive week. this time around, democrats span to spoil it and launch attacks. michelle obama going on "letterman." that is desperate. >> dana: biden is going to tampa. what could go wrong? >> andrea: can't wait for that. coming up, why do some people around the world flat-out that it united states? greg has the answer when we come back. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> greg: i love the police. so in the british paper "the independent." writer owen jones has a piece entitled "getting rid of george w. bush wasn't enough. the u.s. remains a bully." you can spell the petruli wafting from the pages. to jones, it doesn't matter

who is president. the issue is u.s. power. he rejoices that, "the last remaining superpower at the weakest since world war ii there is unmissable opening to argue for a more equal and just world order, restricting the ability of great powers to throw their weight around." in teacher lounge speak that is death to america. in a lesson where they hate our achievement this makes mem hate it more. anti-exceptional leads to us preying jackals like jones that reflects the same anti-americanism found here among the typical occupier or the clown of soros funded blo blogs. you get the feeling he could have written a stump speec for obama in 2007. powerful america will be the enemy of the left and the only way for america to remain awesome is assume our awesomeness and stop apologizing. america will be embraced when defeated. the last thing we can expect

is shone the mercy or appreciation that the left insists we show our enemies. that's the true american exceptionmism that will be, left at being bad. do you think obama figured out exceptionalism is exceptionallist idea? >> eric: >> juan: you are so smart i have to con jew tate tgutate tot you are saying. >> greg: i don't know what i was saying. dana attack. it was scurrilous. hamster like in the deviousness. >> eric: what is funny is the occupier in chief, the aka nobel peace prize winner uses the most drones, has a kill list. it must drive people like this crazy. they don't know where to go with it. >> juan: that was the argue in the the piece. >> eric: i understand that. but the nobel peace prize

winner is doing things that may be seen as bullying and bad. just it's driving you crazy. i think it's driving you crazy that president obama -- >> eric: i'm fantastic. >> juan: he is strong on national security and the american people in this election taken national security away from the republicans. >> eric: kill list. >> juan: democratic issue. >> dana: foreign policy, you could take on foreign policy one-by-one and argue quite effectively as rick, a friend of ours writes in "esquire" magazine today, let's take syria for example. leading from behind, which started, which was not afraid that any of -- not a phrase that we came up with. the own administration came up with leading from behind in libbia, egypt, sir yeah. i would rath ber feared than liked. well not in my -- >> greg: don't worry about that problem. >> dana: are you scared of me? >> greg: yes. >> dana: good. >> juan: gaddafi is scare of us. saddam hussein is scare odd of us. i don't think anyone thinks

we're punking. >> andrea: it's better to be respected. when owens goes back to school and finishes the ninth grade -- >> dana: no kidding. >> andrea: -- maybe he can take history class again. an learn about names like hitler, mussolini, evil dictators that the united states helped defeat. they didn't just help defeat them. they went back and they helped rebuild europe and they trade with europe. now look at germany. one of the most strong economies in europe. they are keeping the rest of europe afloat. without the united states being stronger, being on some level a cop, this country would never -- >> juan: let me stir the pot. let me stir the pot. let me get the red in your cheeks as well as your beautiful dress. >> andrea: flattery will get you nowhere. just get me everywhere! but we -- >> juan: get me everywhere. we have a military vastly superior when we take action we dictate the terms of the

agreement or deal, and you know what? >> eric: that is bad? >> juan: it's not good if people resent us. if we're in fact generating resentment to lead to terrorists and enemies of the united states. >> eric: you can say that, one side of your mouth. then when people around the world need help, where do they go? here for help. help us. haiti has an earthquake, storm, earthquake, help us feed them. starving people around the world and they ask us for help. other people encroaching. kuwait had iraq encroaching on us to help us out. they asked us for help. when it's a military power and mite, it's a bad thing? >> juan: military mite used to project our power and self-interest. that is why -- >> eric: i don't think we do that. >> dana: who does that? >> juan: we have a record of power -- we have supported dictators and penal authoritarian leaders for

ourselves. i like -- let me say this to dana. i know -- i'm a fan of president bush on the idea of promoting freedom and democracy. i know a lot of people say yeah, look at who the people elect. but it's the right thing. the military power. cool with that. >> dana: the best thing that america could do for the world is grow our economy again. strong america, strong economic power as well as a military power is important. these guys are like the environmental movement. republicans chase the green vote. it's like try to work with them on the climate change. nothing will be enough. because it's their cause. so like this kid that writes this thing. nothing america ever does will be enough. we might as well be the strongest an the best. >> greg: that is the point. >> dana: thank you. >> andrea: to your point that's why the testify is it and debt is the number one most important issue. real quick, juan, what i was trying to get in, president obama has called for mubarak to step down. he did step down. now we have the muslim

brotherhood who has taken over in egypt and they're slaughtering christians. you don't hear anything about that. so i don't think you can hail president obama as a brilliant foreign leader strong on foreign policy. >> juan: we had to support the arab spring -- >> andrea: why didn't he support the iranians? >> juan: you think we're not supporting them >> andrea: he didn't. >> juan: we are supporting. one final thing there are polls about level of resentment of the united states worldwide. there is not a lot to support the kid's thesis. where there is resentment, russia and china. they are competing and jealous of the power. that is telling. >> greg: on that note we must move on. union leaders act like they're the 9 #%. we got ahold of their salaries and the numbers will make your eyes explode through your ears if that is possible. if you leave now, dana will eat a butterfly. ♪ ♪ you've been busy for a dead man.

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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> eric: welcome back. check this out. listen to salaries. $460,000. $490,000. $512,000. wall street fat cats? no. ball players? nope. reality tv stars? not those either. those are salaries take bin the top of the socialist ladder, also known as the union leaders. let's take a look. donald trumtrump -- richard trus the afl-cio. one of his labor averages makes $34,000 a year. jimmy hoffa junior, $372,000. truck driver, small truck driver on average, $33,000. and miss weingarten head of

the federation of teachers $494,00,000. and rachel elizabeth, remember her. student trying to work her way through college at chick-fil-a. $18,000. andrea, it's almost mindboggling how the left has a problem with the 1%. the class warfare. they should look at themselves. >> andrea: as long as they supporting president obama, who cares? how can the union leaders be a credible voice for people they represent? they're not in the stratosphere of what the constituencies make. you take jimmy hoffa for example, other disbursement on top of his salary, $60,000. for what? i mean you look at this. they are the 1%. the 989 in fact their organization support the 1%. that's different from the way the u.s. economy is. where the 1% are supporting the welfare. >> greg: here is the thing. these were the groups that were going out of their way to champion occupy wall street,

offering them everything. can you occupy yourself? if they're the 1% they should occupy their own offices and protesting there. unions are great if you're running them. >> eric: dana, we don't have a problem with union membership paying the leader a lot, right? >> dana: this is a weird thing. i'm going to defend them and they right to be paid what their members think is worthy of their responsibility. if you look at the associatio associations in washington, d.c., the salaries to me people lower for similar type of things. fun to stir up class warfare. teacher might say i'm the one in the class room. but on par, the people are paid what they are worth. >> eric: okay. a lot of teachers come up to me and say i'm a teacher in new jersey.

i listen to you. i like what you are saying. i say what about your union leaders? well, i don't really like them so much. why is it that union leaders make so much money and people are making their salaries for them aren't making the money they should be making? >> juan: good teachers should be paid more. but the unions are defending bad teachers. they spend a lot of money defending bad teachers and defending bad rules and regulations. let me get back to heart and soul of your argument. dana is on point here. if you're in washington you know what people who represent the lobbyists make and the special interest group leaders make. go back to your industry. corporate america. median pay of u.s., top 200 ceos, $14.5 million, eric. >> greg: but they generate wealth. create things. what do unions create? red tape. >> juan: who do unions create when they operate cameras on usnode >> eric: that is labor. they're paid for labor.

that is not what they create. >> juan: somebody represents workers to make sure that workers get a fair shake out of management. and people don't get exploited. that is not a bad thing. >> greg: at one point you were right but it's gotten pretty bad. we can all agree there was a noble purpose behind this. >> juan: there was. that's fair. but you know what we have seen a tremendous decline in unit. not in favor in the private sector about disappeared. we are talk about the public sector unions. >> eric: these people are paid, paid on the hard work of the teachers. of the construction laborers and the truck drivers. just like the government on the hard work of with us the taxes. they're not creating anything. and they are not making -- >> andrea: a lot of it is mandatory. governor walker came in and said make it option and see what happens. the hard-working member of the union, a lot said i don't want part of my check goes to the dues. give them the choice and see what happens. that's why union leaders went

so apoplectic in wisconsin. they saw the salaries dwindle. just you don't think it's politics and union due goes to democratic politicians and walker trying to break the connection? >> andrea: you want to talk about it? >> juan: glad to. >> dana: he tried to balance a budget. it worked. >> andrea: we could have a discussion about the revolving door. >> eric: they deserve to make money as they can. but the dues are mandatory. >> dana: right. >> eric: members don't a choice. >> dana: that is why card check, legislation to make it mandatory failed. good thing. >> eric: leftist running the main stream media devoting time to mitt romney's faith. but is that a legitimate issue? i don't recall the same scal pescalpel used on barack obama. ♪ ♪

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i'm bret baier in washington. big story here late changes to the republican national convention as the g.o.p. ticket barnstorms their way to tampa. tonight on "special report," news that mitt romney's wife ann will get a prime time speaking slot. her speech is moving. we'll explain why that happened and why it's important. along with economic attacks, mitt romney today made a joke about the controversy over president obama's birth certificate. that drew a quick and pointed response from the obama campaign. tropical storm isaac could be uninvited guest in tam pennsylvania ge ate live up -- tampa and we get a live update on where it might be headed and what might happen if it heads into a hurricane to head tampa's way. new study states household income has fallen more since the economic recovery began than in the throes of the

recession. "special report" starts at 6:00 eastern in washington. now back to new york and "the five." ♪ ♪ >> dana: regardless of the result in november -- what are you laughing at? >> dana: is that your sound track? [ laughter ] >> dana: it's friday. >> greg: sorry. >> dana: when we start the segments, greg starts to go like this. i can tell he is laughing at me for some reason or another. i'm going to do my segment now. mitt romney already made history. the first mormon presidential candidate. said his faith played an important role in his life. and they there was a report about what it's like to be mormon in america. >> jackson has a different struggle. changing niz a culture that can seem secular and sexual. >> as parents do you feel

bombarded? >> it's hard to sit down and watch a ballgame with my son because of the commercials. they sexualize everything. >> dana: that was part of a report last night i thought by the reviews people thought it was thoughtful and fair. there was a question, though, which is andrea people are asking why are we doing a whole hour-long specials about mormonism when somebody seemed to want to do any specials about jeremiah wright church that obama attended for 20 years. >> andrea: there were a couple of specials we found done about wright. i would have been interested to see a full special on who president obama was, though, too. he writes "in dreams of my father" he was raised, these are his own words as a muslim to get in-depth picture of who he is. academic records. where he went to school. a lot of that we talk about on the show. it's examined. i think it's okay for the specials on mormonism. >> dana: one more sound bite. people are like what is it about? romney never had caffeine or alcohol. look at the sound bite here.

>> here come the question that everybody has. do you drink caffeine? >> no. >> have you ever, ever had a cup of coffee? >> never had a cup of coffee. i had a coke once. >> here it comes. literally one coke. >> isn't that funny? >> in your 43 years. >> caffeine. i may have a dr. pepper once in a while. i can't lie to you. >> no smoking? >> no smoking. >> not a sip of wine, a glass of beer? >> no. >> dana: i know people are curious about that. how could you get through your day without those things? >> greg: they are interviewing them like they are martians. the left complains about con sensitives drying to characterize obama as the other. this is what the networks are doing. but i have to say, there needs to be an app made, mormon app where they take somebody like me, put my face in an show what i would look like if i became a mormon. they are all so much healthier. they're nice people. healthier.

they don't have all of my bad habits. it want to be mormonized. i want to get mormonized. >> dana: that could be arranged. >> greg: you know what i mean? app to show what happens if you gain weight. they should have a mormon app. improve. >> dana: i would love -- i never met a mormon i didn't like. >> juan: this is too much. what are you talking about? >> dana: maybe because i grew up in the west and more familiar with them and their religion. it doesn't scare me at all. i actually think they do an amazing amount of work. >> juan: i can understand your religion doesn't scare you. human beings are human beings. some of them are detestable. some people you just don't like. >> dana: some mormons are detestable? >> juan: human beings. >> dana: that is with everybody. >> juan: that is my point. >> andrea: my first job was working for reagan pollster and he was mormon. the leaders worldwide were mormon. the greatest company the way it was run. i cannot say a bad work about them. excellent. >> eric: i am trying to figure out why we are having

the discussion. it's gross they decided to do this. >> juan: enough. let me just say this. >> eric: three days before the rnc. >> juan: let me give you a clue. >> eric: is the timing planned for the rnc? >> juan: if you poll americans about mormons they think it's a cult and they have a negative impression. let me finish. >> eric: senator obama's past -- >> juan: which is why you're interested in it. [ overtalk ] you have so many hangups. let me tell you something. most white people have been in a black church, they have been in a black church. they know what goes on and they have seen, radical guy like reverend wright, you know, and they know what goes on in a black church. they do not know what goes on in mormon temple. you are not allowed in to certain parts of the temple. >> eric: you don't think they are trying to highlight mitt romney is mormon -- >> juan: dana said they are trying to explain so people have a better understanding. you know what?

does romney walk around with the undergarments? people have questions. >> greg: i wear secret undergarments but it has nothing to do with mormonism. it's a habit i developed. >> juan: the pink ones? >> greg: yes. i need them back. >> andrea: how do you know? >> juan: he is so cute. >> greg: the bigger question is the only time the mainstream media cares about any religion generally is to bash it. >> dana: it's also for republicans in particular. they really want to know -- they were so curious. is george bush really believe that? we talk about religion all the time when it came to them. it was looked at with suspicion for president bush or republican. but looked at as a virtue if you are a democrat. >> andrea: i think you are right, dana. remember what happened when they tried to mock john f. kennedy catholicism? it backfireed. if they want to do a special

disrespectful to disrespect mormons or paint them as freaks -- >> dana: i want to be clear. i think kate snow's piece was respectful. >> eric: i'm not saying it was disrespectful or smearing. the timing of it was suspect. >> andrea: i didn't say that. if anyone does one to have a special out that goes after him and does it in an inappropriate way i think the public will reject. >> dana: maybe it's good because if you were to win nobody will say he wasn't vetted. they wouldn't be able to have the conversation four years from now. romney will be on the in "parade" magazine this kweek. >> greg: i love "parade." >> dana: we talk about it last week. they get more personal. >> greg: i read it from cover to cover. so many interesting articles. >> dana: good. we'll talk about that and lance armstrong's career. will he lose his tour de france medals? we tell you when we come back. ♪ ♪

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armstrong has given up. he is now banned for life. he has been stripped of his seven tour de france titles. he still contends he didn't use performance-enhancing drugs and says the whole thing has an unconstitutional witch hunt. to quote lance "enough is enough." now he could have gone to arbitration, he could have had the ten witnesses, including tyler hamilton and others come forth and testify, but lance said i'm sick of this. i'm out of here. as a consequence now, i think his legacy is forever ruined. he is a hero. kids still walk around with the livestrong yellow wristband and all of that. but as a dad, i can't feel good about my kid looking up to lance armstrong. >> greg: the clue he was on something is when he won the fifth tour de france without using a bike. that was amazing. >> eric: unicycle. [ laughter ] >> greg: it's a shame he destroyed the mass appeal of professional cycling. can we just admit it's the most boring thing on the

planet and he was the only thing mildly interesting about it and he is a cheater. >> eric: can i do this. i hate the fact he's quitting, giving up on it. he beat testicular cancer and it may have gone the brain cancer as well. >> greg: really? >> eric: yeah. he is a fighter. for him to give up sounds like he realizes he's guilty. but honestly, a hero. he was a hero. the guy -- >> juan: what? >> greg: i know a lot of people with cancer, eric. a lot of people. i'm sorry, it was an inspirational story. that inspirationm story was used as buffer against criticism. >> eric: do you know how many people use lance armstrong beating cancer as a basis for fighting cancer? i have a personal story. it won't go through it but i have family who used him as a way to -- >> juan: all right. >> greg: we all have those stories. >> juan: here is the thing. you played competitive i. will you know, if you're not going to play fairly, if you're going to cheat. that is just -- what is the competition? where is fair and honest

competition? it reminds me of that biblical quote from mark where, you know, what good is it for a man to gain his soul -- to gain the world and fame and fortune and forfeit his soul? >> andrea: why do people still do it then? >> juan: they think they get away with it. >> andrea: is winning the jersey worth it? the fact he defaulted is more interesting than anything. remember allen dershowitz, the harvard professor. he thought clin top shouldn't have gone through the ri rigamorol. he skated through under the radar. can you blame him if he is guilty for not going through that? >> juan: if he guilty? >> andrea: if he is guilty. >> juan: that is the question. now people assume he is guilty. but it's one of the things where how much are you willing to do to win? are you willing to cheat to win?

>> dana: all sorts of awards are stripped if people. you have to woner at one point can technology catch up and catch him at the beginning of the race so the fellow competitors could have won. >> greg: take away all of your speech trophies, when they find your debate trophies. it will happen. you know what? media are hypocrites. people in the media use enhancement drugs all the time. people on adderol and people who drink and do things to be better performed. >> --ould you tell your -- >> juan: would you tell your kids to take steroids and be a star? coming right up, hangbe with them. ♪ ♪ flu protection with a 90% smaller needle.

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>> andrea: time for one more thing i'm going to kick it off with a great memory from 1980 to get nerve the spirit of the g.o.p. convention. that starts monday in tampa. take a listen. >> i penal to you restore the federal government capacity to the do the people's work without dominating their liv lives. balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than our desire to it help us aligns with the great power to harm us.

>> andrea: those words are applicable today. you see the excitement. don't forget to tune in next week. we'll be there next week. it will be awesome. >> eric: i pick the music going in and out of my blocks and i take pride in it. someone sent me a song. and it's so good i needed more time. madison rising playing the "star spangle banner." listen to this. ♪ ♪ ♪ does that star spangled banner ♪ ♪ yet wave "for the land of the free ♪ ♪ home of the brave go to madisonrisingchallenge. trying to get votes on there.

>> juan: wednesday night, cambridge, massachusetts, kendal station. woman with a little boy walking. you see them fall in the train tracks. a man rushing through rescues them. ignoring the third rail and his own safety. this is what america is about. terrific. on a friday evening we should be saying that is the best of our country. that is what i want to do and what i want my children to do when they see someone in need. >> andrea: a hero. >> greg: he ended up kidnapping the kid, though. >> juan: here we go. [ laughter ] 'canes there is a great story in "usa today." i like twitter. follow me. the thing, obama has 18.8 million twitter followers. 70% of them are fake. it turns out like lady gaga,

29 million followers but most are inactive. it went and we started a twitter war with me. i had a new web tool. check out your followers and it turns out that you think you have 90,000 followers but actually you have eight. >> greg: oh! you are really a mean person. >> dana: you can buy twitter followers. i don't see how this happens. greg? >> greg: i was going to do a banned phrase but i'm not i i'll talk about my binder because i'm going to tampa. i haven't been to tampa since college. since college. i would like to apologize to the city for what happened back then. i was not aware that was the water supply.