moderate moderating voices within the democratic party? why did they take such a hard left when it came to business, a hard left when it came to taxes? maybe that wasn't the administration's intention, maybe it was. the appearance is with the appearance is. do you think that is a danger, that this anti--- whatever you want to call it, is really beginning to boomerang? >> i think your point is well taken, neil. you're absolutely right. the responses that i've got from appearing on your show and the last time particularly, and people calling and saying, for god's sake, let's hear reason. let's talk about americans working together. not this group of americans or the other group of americans. i think you're right to the extent of saying that the menu for the tickets doesn't bring as

much as should be brought for the digestion by the american people. i hope the ryan addition to the ticket will bring a discussion about money, a real discussion, whether his plan is right or wrong, let's discuss it, or whether the president's plan is right or wrong, let's discuss it. what is good about one, bad about the other, what needs to be discarded? i think you're absolutely right. that's what the public is looking for, people who have sense enough to understand that there are no good guys and bad guys in politics to the ex seclusion of some of us -- exclusion of some of us coming together to work together. >> neil: i look forward to seeing you at the conscience as well. -- convention as well. wow that gentleman, you probable will he would not have a barak obama. you can take sides on that. >> for good or bad. >> governor, thank you very much. to the ryan rally, new swing

state polls showing the paul ryan is giving mitt romney a very big boost. but it was a fellow named jack kemp who gave paul ryan that very big boost. jack is gone. but his son is here and his son is next. the equity summary score consolidates the ratings of up to 10 independent research providers into a single score that's weighted based on how accurate they've been in the past. i'm howard spielberg of fidelity investments. the equity summary score is one more innovative reason serious investors are choosing fidelity. get 200 free trades today and explore your next investing idea.

>> neil: to the storm before the storm is the latest we have for you. warnings and watches going out across all of florida this morning as isaac packs 60 mile-an-hour winds and it gets ready to slam into the area. it's expected to become a full fledged hurricane by tom. it's being blamed for at least two deaths in haiti. tampa, the site of the republican convention, could be in the path. hard to know. tampa police are saying at this point they are prepared for everything. rnc officials still say they're preparing for a great event starting on monday. the stars of the gop convention, mitt romney and paul ryan, make an appearance in the state of ohio before today's speech,

there was this. >> one of the most important mentors to me was a man jailed jack kemp. his wife joanne is here today. joanne kemp, it's really nice to see you. [ applause ] >> neil: as you might have heard, his dad is paul ryan's political hero and now jimmy kent says his dad, jack kemp works love to have seen what has been created since. paul ryan, protege of the late great jack kemp. his son here. very good to have you, my friend. how are you? >> thank you, neil. i'm well. how are you? >> neil: very good. that's a great tip of the hat. i always wonder if your dad were back looking at what paul ryan had become, jack kemp was on the vice presidential ticket, he was bob dole's running mate, i would imagine paul ryan wants a better result. but what is it that your dad saw in paul ryan early on? do you remember?

>> well, in 1993 when paul went to work with my father examine bill benefit jet and gene kirkpatrick, any young person who was around dad l it was during his days on the hill or at empower america, they seemed to be attracted to his personality, his style of politics, and his optimism for the country and dad wanted young people to learn about what he called and what paul clearly learned very well is the american idea, which at its root is really the human idea for all people. >> neil: do you think that what was a tough sell in 1996 when bill clinton was running for reelection might be a better one or at least a more drivable one in 2012? >> well, the comparison to make between kemp and ryan frankly is jack kemp circa 1980.

dad was a congressman, elected in 1970 from western new york in a pretty balanced district. it certainly wasn't republican. and that's similar to where paul ryan comes from in wisconsin. he didn't win in a republican district. and paul learned how to speak to people regardless of their party. one of the lessons i think dad taught paul well, and you can see that paul really believes in this -- there is a quote that my dad always used. he attributed it to abraham lincoln had is not correct, you serve your party best when you serve your country first. that's what all of us in this country want to see in our politicians. i think that in 1980, dad would have been a great vice presidential nominee. he was the leader of the republicans in the house of representatives. that's what paul ryan is today. and i think the time is really right for governor romney and congressman ryan to lead this

country into a bright 21st century that reestablishes our american exceptionalism and the foundations on which this country was built. >> neil: jimmy, i guess i'm expressing -- i love your dad. i knew him for decades and we talked over a lot of issues, rangeled over them, including four years ago in the middle of the melt down when he was for the bailout of the banks and i was not. it led to this famous exchange. >> why not let -- however hellish it might be tomorrow, if the house rejects it, let her rip! >> wow, let her rip. like the hissy fit you called it on monday? >> neil: however hellish it might be and however hellish it might be tomorrow, if the house rejects it, let her rip. >> wow, let her rip. like the hissy fit you called it on monday? >> neil: what do you call it today? i'm saying when -- >> wait a minute. i'm saying when you -- >> neil: when you cash out to the markets, is that a mistake?

>> this is a market. stock market is a market. money factor funds being pulled out and put into t bills a market. the price of gold going up is a market. people are concerned and congress should act irrespective of this is not the type of bill jack kemp or neil cavuto would have written, but it should be passed. in the middle of a melt down. >> neil: your dad barreled back and said we had to do this. paul ryan was for that as well. mitt romney was for that as well. democrats charge, you're hypocrites then. you guys are hypocrites. you say one thing, when everything hits the fan, do you another. what do you say to that? >> well, governing is difficult work. down in tampa we'll have an

empower america reunion. and empower america, as you recall, was a shadow administration, started in 1993 when clinton and gore took office. the ideas that conservatives believed in were well representative in power america. they didn't envision the republicans taking office. then you had speaker gingrich, majority leader lott, and those guys worked very closely with dad in the late '70s and early '80s, but now there was an interesting tension between the governing that had to take place and the ideology from the outside. neil, frank lee it's a lot easier for you to be on television and tell politicians what to do despite the fact -- >> neil: the apple doesn't fall far from the kemp tree. >> i'm not trying to pick a fight with you. but there is a real tension. >> neil: there is. >> and so government absolutely has a role. but i would agree with you and my dad would agree with you, free markets need to flourish

and government needs to reduce the limits to free markets working. >> neil: all right. i see that kemp dna. i'm not going to mess with it. thanks very much. the best to your family. >> thanks. >> neil: bracing for isaac, warnings and watches going up as the tropical storm bears down on the there fellow coast. form -- florida coast. michael brown on how bad this really gets after this ry and abigail higgins had...

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>> neil: with isaac getting ready to slam the gulf, former fema director says people are battening down the hatches. a lot of people are used to these sort things in florida and you always remind me when you come here during these events, that's risky. are we getting a little too blase or what? >> we're probably getting too

blase, but to complicate this, this is a national special security event, so the lead agency in charge behind the scenes is the united states secret service. so you put them in charge of doing the overall planning, but then with the hurricane coming, obviously fema will become the lead in doing the coordination with state and local officials, but i would say that all the models i've seen of this thing, it could be a category 1, which means 80 mile-an-hour winds, a lot of rain, maybe a little bit of storm surge, but the engineering reports on the convention center, all of those look good. this could bode well for security purposes in the sense that the occupy wall streeters may not want to be out in 80 mile-an-hour winds. >> neil: there is that. you know, i famously remember with katrina and what you had to deal with and everyone's pointing fingers at you, but we had multiple agencies competing for time, attention and authority over this, homeland

security, what was fema's role, then later on the f.b.i. and the secret service. >> right. >> neil: and on and on. do we have a clear chain of command right now if god forbid, everything hits the fan? >> i don't think we have a clear chain of command. but i'll tell what you 2003 have, is we have a clear understanding between the secret service, because of my dealings with certain situation, there is a clear situation they say when it comes to doing evacuations or the contingency plans of how to evacuate and take care of people, we'll turn that over to you. i think if the proverbial ma into you are hits the fan, i think secret service says, fema, do you your job. we'll do our job. i think that kind of coordination will take place at the grassroots level. >> neil: if you were doing your old fema hat and looking at what's going on with republicans, reporters and anchor, blow hards like me gather in tampa, would you be advising caution or just be saying, get ready for a lot of

rain and have a good show? >> i'd be advising caution, but i would also -- when we need a balance. a few days ago, all i heard from the mayor of tampa was, we need to cancel this thing. we need to get ready to postpone it. i'm looking at the cone of uncertainty thinking, wait a minute. i'm not sure that's really necessary yet. and it's that kind of thing on the one hand, let's cancel it. on the other hand, this is no big deal. that's what causes the problem. let's just be realistic. this could be a category 1. that's the worst we've seen so far. let's prepare for that. let's be ready for that. and let's cut out the b.s. about how this is going to be the end of civilization or a rainstorm. >> neil: all right. we'll talk to the mayor about that and exactly what you said in the next hour. but thank you, michael brown. good having you again. now he's belting it out, the business owner taking on the president is mitt romney and pauline chiou take on the buckeye state this morning.

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>> neil: we're heading into the belly of the beast. the republican convention you might have mite have heard is kick off on monday. we're from tampa at 4:00 p.m. eastern time. then at 8:00 p.m., through 11:00 p.m. or later if need be. each night, every night, you name it, we've got them. power packed week with the biggest players converging on tampa. then all these other bissonnet works saying, this is the most consequential election of our time. when you see them in skillet commercials and running reruns of ten-year-old 60 minute, you'll know how much they mean that. we say it, we mean it. watch us. i hope. >> hon the honor roll, works hard, studies, does well on the

test, makes the honor roll, i know to get to school, he or she had to get on the school bus. but when they make the honor roll, congratulate them, don't say thanks to the bus driver. they're the ones that accomplished the achievement! >> neil: romney and ryan rallying the folks in ohio by railing against the president's new you didn't build that famous comment, a comment that has still got a small business owner named carl steaming. he owns an auto parts store in ohio. you're still not the better, are you? >> no. i'm not. i tell you, the comments that the president made makes you mad at first, but now that i'm glad and happy that they made those comments because he showed his true color. he was talking off script. he was talking from his mind and his heart. so you look at his position on small business, you couple it in with obamacare, and some other

things that they can dust and pull off the shelf in another administration with card check and cap and trade, it makes a very frightening for small business owners in today's economic climate. >> neil: you heard the president and those who defend him say he was taken way out of context, that he wasn't bashing guys like you. that he was saying in this country, in the infrastructure of this country and thanks to all the things we have and there is a support network for guys like you in this country, guys like you did what you did in this country. what do you say to that? >> well, what i say to that is the entrepreneurs are the ones that provide the jobs for the taxpayers. i'm not taking anything away from our employees. our employees are the greatest asset that we have. but the entrepreneur in business, we support other businesses. we pay the taxes that paved the

roads. we buy the oil, the gasoline. we pay the tax on that. we buy local supplies from our suppliers, our cardboard, our skits. so we're perpetuating business and when you look at the taxpayers in this country, it is the higher percentile are the business owners and business that are paying their fair share to pay for that infrastructure improvement. >> neil: as we take a peek at these crowds in ohio, the president comes back and says, all right. maybe not about you specifically, but you're in the auto parts business, soy guess he can speak generally, thanks to those rescued and the rescues of the companies, you no longer are. what do you say to that? >> well, president obama visited my hometown to boast how well ohio was doing and the economy

is doing. he flew into an airport, mansfield airport, which houses the 19th air district, which if he had it his way, he would shut down. ironically, he also flew into a town that housed a general motors stamping plant that was one of the most prominent stamping plants in the gm empire and thanks to the government takeover, that factory is now closed. it was more of a boondoggle him coming into mansfield, i think, than -- and trying to take credit for economic situation that he was talking about because of the automotive bailout. but that simply is not the case. it's the good work of our governor john kasich and the lieutenant governor, mary taylor. >> neil: let's put you down as a maybe on the president. all right? thank you very, very much. meanwhile, we are getting

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