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outfit and curious about it because apparently he collapsed on the stage, and all kinds of young girls are worried about his health and apparently he bumped into or brushed into a photographer as he was emerging from the hotel and the photographer is not happy. oh, he's going after the guy. >> whoa, don't make me. he was so close to going after him, right. >> you know, you know you don't want to get round-housed by biebs. he can pack a wallop. >> you sound sarcastic when you say that. >> do you think? >> we wish him well, he had problems on the stage and the breakup with selena gomez, right? >> i'm sure it's not fun to be -- to have every moment of your life to be documented by photographers, but he wanted to be famous, right? >> and you were showing us during the the break how he should pose. >> come out, do the red carpet thing, you know, flex his muscles, let them get a couple of shots, get in the s.u.v. you don't need the f-bombs.

>> this happens to jon scott every day. >> almost. have a great weekend, thanks for joining us. >> "america live" starts right n now. >> megyn: fox news alert now, the white house decision to cancel tours of the people's house all in the the name of budget cuts. welcome to "america live" everyone, i'm alisyn camerota in for megyn kelly. as the last of the white house tours wrap up today, journalist and savvy researchers are beginning to lift the veil on just what is is in the white house budget. this comes as a group of iowa school children become a national sensation. they're begging the administration to reconsider its ban on white house tours. let's listen. >> the white house is our house. please let us visit. >> well, those 6th graders from waverly, iowa hoped to visit the white house next week, but the white house maintains, that they, as well as all others who plan to visit after today, cannot be

accommodated. meanwhile, a closer look at the numbers finds the national park's yearly budget for the white house visitor center is more than 9 million dollars, about the cost to operate air force one for just 51 hours and critics point out the white house has no problems spending tax dollars to keep not one, not two, but three calliographers on staff. and bo, whenever he goes to a petco or pet smart he travels by motorcade. that's what's going on in the picture. and there's more. first, let's bring in chris stirewalt, our editor and house of power play on foxnews.com live. >> howdy. >> of all the expenditures that the white house has every year, including bo's motorcade, the white house decided to cancel the public tours of the white house, why start there? >> look, if that fur were to get tangled up, there would be

no telling what happened up, it's a fuzzy dog. >> fair enough. >> things could get out of hand in no time. what this is, obviously, the president is trying to hit republicans where it hurts. the administration wants republicans -- you remember how the tours, those school kids how they got their tour, they asked their congressman for tickets. that's how you get a tour of the white house. now the president and his team figured last week we'll tell them they have to call and e-mail those folks about the tour, you don't get to go and then it would hurt the republican congressman. as it turns out people are savvier than that, hey, wait a minute, you spend a ton of money on a ton of stuff and how come the first thing you close and take away from us is public tours, that sounds wrong and it's indicative of a larger problem that the administration and the president are having as they try to keep up this push against the automatic reductions and automatic increases in spending, which is this, if you talk about relatively small amounts of

money inside the federal government, which is what we're talking about here as you go agency by agency, the republicans have an endless list of wasted money in the federal government. tom coburn, senator from oklahoma made it it his life's work to look at a document with spending, and everything you're cutting, wait a minute, things that are silly you spend money on, robotic squirrels and that stuff. >> let me explain the response to the people the last visitors to the white house, the policy goes into effect the end of today. in line to get into the white house and what they had to say about this? >> i don't think it was a reasonable decision. this is our house, we should be able to go into it. >> it's a lot of money, but i'm sure that we spend more than that on other stuff that is -- that people would maybe be considering frivolous. >> it's a shame and i'm sure what they save here is really not going to make a difference in the country's economy. >> well, i think it's

unfortunate that they're using the white house tours as a method to suck more money out of the public, basically, but that's how government works and negotiating works, i suppose. >> chris, that first woman said the white house is our house. that's exactly what those waverly, iowa kids said. they said the white house is our house, please let us visit. so is it possible that this will result in a backlash against the administration, not congress, but the white house itself? >> well, it has resulted in a backlash. now the question is, can the president stake out this position? he has a very terrible choice to make over the next three or four weeks, which is this: the federal government is going to run out of authorization for spending towards the end of this month. the president wants republicans back on their heels over cuts. they wants spending to go up by more. the republicans want it to go up by less and they're duking this out. so it's up to the president now with his approval ratings on the snide, with things not

how he wants them to be, can he hold this ground of punishing people with these cuts, using these cuts as a cudgel to make taxpayers and consumers of government services feel the burn in an effort to get the republicans to back off? because if he does, he runs the risk of more and more people like that, those folks you showed standing outside the white house, saying why do we have to pay the price for in ongoing budget battle between you and the republicans and congress? >> hey, chris, very quickly, last -- what do the three white house callographers do for almost 300,000 a year? >> well, the president, his invitations have to look nice, and place cards and all of those things and you have to hire a callographer because it's a specialized talent and somebody who spends their life having really good handwriting, not a ton of jobs for them out there. you've got to hire one and maintain them. three seems like a lot of callographery, but they have a lot of parties and that's

their thing. >> now i understand it and my handwriting is indecipherable. >> mine, too. >> thanks, chris. and we mentioned a couple of examples of what critics view as questionable spending just as the white house-- just at the white house alone and you should see what's in the larger federal budget. 131,000, environmental protection agency handed out for a chinese study on swine manure. or the $325,000 the national science foundation shelled out for studies that included funding for that robotic squirrel that chris just mentioned. we hear there are also plans in the works to develop a robotic kangaroo rat. we'll have more examples of the projects we are still fund as the white house shuts its doors to the public coming up in our next hour. well, tracking a developing story in new york city where osama bin laden's son-in-law pled not guilty in a courtroom

steps away from ground zero, he's more than just a relative of bin laden, a top al-qaeda spokesman, now being charged with conspiracy to kill americans. his prosecution in federal court sparking controversy with many asking if such prominent terror suspects belong in the civil judicial system? david lee miller is live outside the courthouse, hi, david lee. >> reporter: the hearing was procedural and symbolic. and here was the son-in-law of bin laden in the federal courtroom, he entered surrounded by security, about ten security officers in the room itself. he wore a beard, he to a great extent resembled the videos that we've seen of him through the years. we learned a little bit more about his arrest. he was taken into custody on february 28th somewhere overseas, presumably in jordan shortly before midnight and he

arrived in the united states, we're told, on march 1st at about 12:30 p.m. that's exactly one week ago today. and he was detained and is being detained the at a federal facility not far from the courthouse and only a few blocks from where the twin towers once stood. he spoke through a translator and you mentioned he pled guilty to -- or not guilty i should say to conspiracy to kill americans and when asked by the judge if he had money for attorneys, he said he did not and at that point the judge said that he would provide defense attorneys at taxpayer expense. republican critics say this is a defendant who is an enemy combatant who should not be tried in a criminal court. >> we're putting the administration on notice. we think that sneaking this guy into the country clearly going around the intent of congress when it comes to enemy combatants will be challenged. >> reporter: and as for the evident against him, alisyn, we learned a little more about that today. the prosecution talked about

introducing into evident a 22-page post-arrest statement that he gave to investigators and we also expect that his own words and his own actions are going to be used against him because it's likely some of the videos that we've seen through the years will also be introduced into evidence. among the things he said, alisyn, he called upon the nation of islam to do battle against jews, christians and americans. and his next court date april 8th. back to you. >> david lee miller, thank you for the update from the courthouse. ironically as this bin laden relative is on trial in new york, we're tracking a security breach at one of the busiest airports. an undercover inspector sneaking a fake bomb in in his pants managing to get through two separate security screenings. and trace gallagher is live from los angeles, this is troubling. >> reporter: this operation happened at terminal b, liberty international airport where delta, jet blue are and newark international has been plagued with security problems

in recent years. in this case, the tsa sent a red team, four special operations operatives posing as ticketed passengers, one it an improvised explosive device stuffed inside his pants. didn't get by just one security, two screenings. he made it through the magnetometer and pulled aside for a patdown and yes, made it through the patdown all the way to the gate. now, we don't know the exact makeup of the ied, but even a tiny device can blow a hole in a plane and of course, a small hole at 35,000 feet going 500 plus miles per hour is catastrophic. the tsa released a statement saying only this, quoting here, due to the security sensitive nature of the test, tsa does not publicly share details about how they are conducted, what specifically is tested or the outcome. we can tell you newark has about 1400 tsa agents and last year, 52 of them were fired

for major security lapses and then, remember this video? this was the romeo unticketed, unscreened, walked right by security into a secure area so that he could kiss his girlfriend goodbye. by the way, this red team operation also involved terminal c, ali. we do not know the outcome of how that test went. okay. thanks for that update, trace. check back in with you. just ahead, the hard-hitting tactics of one of the u.s. teachers unions is getting national attention because they tried to land a new contract. we'll look at the debate over union members trying to dig up dirt on the school board members who stand in their way. our next guest says seemingly rosie jobs report is covering up a crisis for the thousands of men and women who keep americans safe from hard. our vets and the job crisis next. the state department came within hour of giving a prestigious award to a woman

who celebrated the attacks of september 11th. we'll see how this happened just he ahead. >> we as a department became aware very late in the process about ibrahim's comments. after careful consideration we decided we should defer presenting this award to miss ibrahim this year so we have a chance to further look into these statements. i'm not juice or fancy water. i've gotine grams of protein. that's three times more than me! [ female announcer ] ensure clear. nine grams protein. zero fat. in blueberry/pomegranate and peach.

>> mixed signs in a brand new jobs report. february numbers showing the u.s. economy is creating more jobs, but there's still a long way to go. last month, the economy added 236,000 new jobs, that's a solid number and an indication that the private sector is picking up steam, but the jobs gains for january were revised down in this latest report showing only 119,000 jobs were created.

the national unemployment rate did drop last month, it's down to 7.7% from 7.9% from the month before, meaning about 12 million americans are out of work. and when you consider the underemployment number, which of course is the number of people without jobs, plus those who are not working as much as they'd like to, that rate hits 14.3% and that's nearly 23 million americans. meanwhile, there's growing concern over rampant unemployment among our nation's youngest veterans. there's a new report that suggests that more than one in five vets between the ages of 18 and 24 years old were out of work last year. pete, a world war ii veteran and concerned veterans of america. >> nice to see you. >> alisyn: so the number for the veterans 18 to 24 years old. meaning the veterans of the iraq war and afghanistan wars, is much higher than today's 7.7% rate. what is that number for these

young vets? >> it is, and the numbers came ott today for veterans showing that the unemployment rate for post-9/11 veterans, veterans of iraq and afghanistan 2% higher than the national average and consistently been 2% above the national average, it's gone down a little bit, but this month, persistently we've got a problem with vets not finding the types of jobs they need when they're coming home. and those age 18 to 24, the youngest veterans came out at 36%. so, one in three of guys and gals getting out of uniform between the ages of 18 and 24 is unemployed and that's masks as well by the 800,000 vets that are at college with the new 9/11 g.i. bill. so, we've got a lot of them in college getting retraining they should have, but a lot of them that aren't are out of work. >> alisyn: 36% is a huge number. bigger than previously. >> yeah. >> alisyn: what's interesting, pete. there are all sorts of programs, both federal and private sector that are

designed to help veterans and to help these young veterans. everything from, you know, job fairs, to job training, to resume' help. so, what's the disconnect? why is it so, so high? >> yeah, i mean, it's not for a lack of trying or good intentions from, like you said, jobs fair and portals, tax credits given to employers. this administration and others have passed almost six jobs bills for veterans. a lot of top down approaches which ultimately are just scratching the surface. you need to really find these guys when they're in service and empower them. a couple of private sector organizations that we've looked at as an organization and one is rally point.com and another is america corporate partners where they provide for vets and soldiers and marines in the service they can leverage when they get out of service. just like american corporate partners provides mentorships for fortune 500 ceo's. what can we do to connect these guys with sort of the opportunities they need to get

the types of job, bluar, and white collar they'll be able to sustain. >> alisyn: it seems to suggest to be part of the problem, i don't know if you agree with this, is that these veterans themselves don't quite know how to market themselves, how to sell the skills they've gotten, say, on the battlefield and how that translate into resume' language. are they themselves not necessarily sort of their best pr agents? >> yeah, we could do better on educating vets and how to articulate how their skills translate. there's great legislation in congress that would automatic translate a lot, certifications into the military to the civilian world and don't have to get retrained on something they already know how to do and iaba put out a career pathfinder that automatically translates military skill sets into civilian counterparts. we need to do better on that and that's both educate i go players on what skills sets they have and educating veterans how to sell themselves better because they've got the skills employers want. they just need to make that

connection. >> alisyn: those sound like great programs, we've met so many young veterans here and they're modest, you know, they're humble. they don't like to blow their own horn. so, showing them how they can do that. >> sure. >> alisyn: sounds terrific. all right. pete, thanks so much for your input on this. >> thanks, alisyn. >> alisyn: president obama reportedly meeting next week with some of the wealthy donors who are bank rolling a new advocacy group made up of his former campaign team. we'll look at the new twists and the allegations that these folks are selling access to the white house. plus, a teachers union underfire for digging up personal information on the school board involved in their budget fight and now fallout today. growing legal questions as we hear stunning new evidence in the death of that animal sanctuary intern attacked by a lion and new reports that may be shifting some of the spotlight of blame. >> and people understand the -- the emotional tie you get with your animals and the

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>> out of new york today. there's a disturbing new report about high school graduates that finds that a majority of them cannot read. according to the report, nearly 80% of graduates need to relearn basic skills like reading, writing and math, before they can enter the college system. this comes despite the state having raised the requirements to graduate from high school in each of the past five years. plus, an education fight in massachusetts is getting national attention today. this involves claims that a teachers union there is trying to turn the tables in their ongoing contract battle and they're doing so by targeting

individual school board members who are apparently standing in their way. trace gallagher is live in los angeles. what are the tactics that they're using. >> reporter: the back story, the teachers union and the school committee have been going back and forth on the contract negotiations for several months. apparently the president of the teachers union, sam misskin decided he was going to ratchet up the pressure on the school committee a couple of notches. he sent an e-mail out to his one thousand plus members reading in part, i'm quoting here, it is time that we start focusing our actions specifically on the members of the framingham school committee. they need to feel the same level of stress that we have been for the past year. he then directed the teachers to an online survey about the committee's members, right? he was asking questions about them. check this out. their names were at the top of the the survey and then he went on to ask questions like their home address, home phone, all of this information, their employer's address, their work e-mail, their time on the school committee and get this, the

community groups, their gym membership, their spouse, their spouse's employer, their spouse's work address and phone. and he said, and i am quoting here again, having as much information as possible about their lives, activities and daily routines is crucial to design actions that will truly impact them. well, the committee members, as you might imagine, they got wind of this, and were a little bit concerned about the motive behind it because in the past, the teachers unions have been protesting and in fact, they've actually picketed on the school committee's lawn before. even the superintendent read this and was concerned about the tone and the timing of the memo. now, the union president says he was way misunderstood, saying that he was simply trying to find out what committee members do when they're not acting as committee members, saying again, quoting here, finding out if a school committee member is in the same circle, you know, social circle as several framingham teachers,

allows our teachers to discuss educational issues with them. so this has nothing to do with getting some personal information about them and using it against them and it's all about, maybe trying to interact with them in a social circumstance, even some of the teachers said, no, no, this is way over the line. >> alisyn: thanks for breaking that down, trace. and the state department came within hours of giving a prestigious courage award to a woman who celebrated the attacks of 9/11. we'll look at who the woman really is. american top diplomate is learning details about the death of an american overseas. police call it suicide and familiar family calls it murder. and asking he was doing work to compromise security. and the people's house, the debate over federal spending. one writer's claims that the

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>> let me just go back to where we were yesterday and advise that upon further

review, the department has decided not to present her with the award. our understanding is that she plans to return home. we never presented it. we've decided that we will not present it. >> alisyn: well, breaking news from the state department. you just heard spokesperson victoria newland announcing that the state has canceled the prestigious award after hours of paying tribute to an egyptian woman who may be seriously anti-american. the woman was supposed to get the international women of courage award, it was scheduled for today in honor of her actions during egypt's uprising. also attending today's ceremony was secretary of state john kerry and first lady michelle obama, but then, the state department found out its honoree may have quoted hitler on twitter and may have even celebrated attacks on

america. james rosen with more. >> reporter: good morning, samira ibrahim appears to be abandoning the claim that the twitter feed was hacked and defiantly refusing to apologize what she calls the zionist lobby in america for what she describes as my previous anti-zionist statements. ibrahim is an egyptian native and women's report activist, forced to undergo virginiaty tests by the military and subject today what is called real police violence and she came to international attention during the protests at the tahrir square and because of that she was selected to be the international courage award. the state department now is canceling the award to ibrahim, turns out among the 18,000 posts on ibrahim's twitter feed, there are tweets like these, from june of 2012, translated from arabic, an explosion on a bus carrying israelis in the airport in bulgura on the black sea. today is a very sweet day with a lot of very sweet news. from august 21st, i've

discovered with the passage of days no act contrary to morality, no crime against except with the jews having a hand in it, hitler. and today is the anniversary of 9/11, may every year come with america burning. my account has been previously stolen and any tweet on racism and hatred was not me. >> and they're reviewed here in washington, and in the context of looking at her record, you know, that she is a very big tweeter. she has tens of thousands of tweets, so these represent a small portion of those, so, obviously, you know, we're doing forensics internally on how we didn't catch it the first time. >> reporter: today ibrahim tweets again in arabic, according to the weekly standard, i refuse to

apologize to the zionist lobby in america regarding lie previous anti-zionist statements. under pressure from american government, therefore they withdrew the award. we should point out the awards ceremony is going forward with other people to be honored and some of these very brave women either in jail in their native countries for blogging and what have you or in hiding and for one reason or another can't come to today's ceremony. >> alisyn: james, thanks for explaining that. how did the state department come this close to honoring a woman accused of writing things like today is the anniversary of 9/11, may every year come with america burning? and are her alleged remarks symbolic of a larger anti-american sentiment in egypt? and a fox news contributor, lisa, great to see you. as i said. we were hours away from handwriting samira ibrahim. what do we know about her? >> basically she's an activist and a very brave woman who brought to the attention the world the virginiaty tests, violence against women in her

native country and she's against violence, but guess what? she's against the u.s. and anti-semitic and these tweets obviously speak for themselves. >> alisyn: when you say virginiaty test, she was part of a group of protesters in cairo and apparently the egyptian military were subjecting these seven or eight women to these very odious tests. >> right. so, i mean, today's international women's day and two years ago when we had the toppling of the mubarak regime, only a month later in march was international women's day and these women came out into tahrir square and chased out by bats and violence. and this only points to a larger problem of vetting out the secularists and egyptian or libyan or syrian society. look, it's a good one for the state department to honor, to recognize the opposition in these countries and find not only the opposition, but women who are brave and courageous and on the front line. >> alisyn: sure, with we understand why they were originally attracted to her, but you had he' think that the state department--

as victoria newland said she's an active tweeter and active phone. >> and the state department and everyone else, we have to be vetting them better and we have to be looking at, great, she's anti-violence, but what else? problem here, i mean, john kerry just renewed our 250 million dollar foreign aid pledge to the egyptians and morsi will even give you more. but why are we writing these checks, they can hate us for free. that's the bottom line. >> alisyn: let me just read a couple of the other tweets that should have aroused suspicion earlier than today. she tweeted on july 1st, eight months ago, an explosion on a bus caring israelis near the black sea, today is a great day. >> what a sentiment. >> alisyn: was she indicative of some sort of sentiment on the street that we're not aware of?

>> right, unfortunately based on what we've seen and what's coming out of egypt. she's not the only one. it's very difficult to find those who are, you know, anti-morsi, but also are pro u.s. or are, you know, pro west. this is the propaganda that has been basically growing in the country and they recent us for many reasons, for the involvement of the u.s. in toppling mubarak and taking too long to topple mubarak and there are so many mixed sentiments here, but again, it just points to the importance of vetting out the secularists and finding them. and that's where our money and attention should be. we should be engaged with the new egyptian government, but we should be engaging them in the right way and this is not only economic contingency it should be political. >> alisyn: what does that mean? when we find the people, when we find people who are pro western or seem friendly to the u.s., what should we be doing? >> we should be supporting those elements within egyptian society. the analogy you don't just give your child the allowance

money and do what they want to do with it. you give them direction and guidance. we're just writing out the checks and military aid, but we have to be directing what's going on on the ground as well. >> alisyn: i mean, there was a feeling of course that when there were protest ins tahrir square, it meant that people would be leaning in the western way, leaning toward america, that had not been proven to be true. >> unfortunately, not. >> alisyn: and lisa, great to see you. the fbi is taking a bigger role of investigating the death of a young american engineer overseas. police there say it was suicide. his family insists it was murder. up next, a military analyst who explains why the shadow of suspicion is pointing towards china. plus the catholic church is a step closer to electing the next pope of course. we're live at the vatican at the top of the hour. and growing outrage as usama bin laden's son-in-law is charged for terror charges in a civilian court. why isn't this suspect being treated like nearly every other enemy combatant? we'll ask one of 9/11 victim's

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>> it was a typewritten note that they said they got off of his computer. and the note started by thanking ime for giving him every opportunity to succeed and he was sorry he did not meet their expectations. that was my first sense of joy as a mother to know, my son did not write this note and i knew in my heart at that point he was murdered. he did not take his own life. >> alisyn: those are the parents of shane todd on america live just one week ago today. shane was the young american engineer whose mysterious death in singapore has sparked calls for an international investigation. he was found dead inside his

overseas apartment after claiming that chinese spies had tricked him into revealing sensitive u.s. technology information and now senators max baucus and john testler from montana are urging the fbi to get involved in the case and america's top diplomate secretary of state john kerry is taking notice. and tony schaeffer is a u.s. army veteran and senior fellow for the center of advanced defense study. colonel schaeffer, thanks for being here. >> thanks, ali. >> alisyn: you heard shane's parents. they do not believe he committed suicide. they believe he was in essence, a whistleblower, and trying to alert authorities to what his company was doing i guess in terms of revealing high-tech military secrets. what do you make of this case? >> i think it's absolutely possible based on three factors. first, the chinese are clearly in-- i don't want to say a cold war with us, but they're very-- they're voracious consumers of technology especially those things that will give them a

leg up both in the commercial sector regarding technology, as well as the military. this gallium nitrate he was working on quite significant. the chinese have a record for going after people for quote, unquote, economic gain. one of the high leaders of china, his wife was indicted for murdering a business man in hong kong last year over business interests. so there's a record here, there's a pattern developing. and third and probably most importantly is that, you know, we've got to look at the fact this family has said this is not indicative of the way my son would have done something and is completely out of sync. so when you put those things together, i think it's both proper and correct that the fbi is coming in at this point in time. because again, there's a pattern here and this is significant technology and frankly, the family is owed an answer. and singapore is cooperating and our guys are coming in. >> alisyn: and the family raised a red flag, they he didn't think this was telling

of the son that they knew. >> that's correct. >> alisyn: particularly a suicide note which they were talking about, they said it was typed rather than handwritten and seemed strange for them. >> right. >> alisyn: the fact it started by heaping praise on his singapore employer, they didn't think that that rang true and the fact that he included this list of so-called family memories that they said were fictitious that never happened. so, all of those things, obviously, aroused suspicion with them. what do we know about this, the firm that he was working for, the institute of microelectronics in singapore? >> well, it's clearly a high-tech firm doing cutting edge things which most tech firms should be doing. with that said there'ses also a very clear link to the chinese and this is where his individual suspicions he expressed before his death and one on the record regarding the relationship between this institute and the chinese. let me be very clear here and i don't want to say this in a demeaning way. the china current culture is not big on bright ideas, new ideas. they look for other things to

adapt. that's why you see them being essentially pirates of technology. they copy things, they violate copy right all the time. so, this meets the pattern of what they would go after. this institute working with the company, the chinese company and breaking off tells me there's something going on this and i think that singapore and the u.s. should work together to see what was going on. it's technology, maybe significant, maybe not. but the big deal here the chinese may be up to no good and needs to be investigated. >> alisyn: now that we know that secretary of state john kerry has been asked for investigation and getting involved, what can a u.s. diplomate do when something dubious like this happens on foreign soil? >> hold the line. hold people accountable. again, singapore is i think part of the solution here, which is gratifying for a change. a foreign country actually having us come in and help, it's a good deal. with that said, we've got to be very cautious as we deal

with china. china holds over a trillion dollars of our debt, but at the same time we are economic competitors. the chinese have their own problems, internal problems i don't think we fully recognize its vulnerabilities yet. i think the chinese are ignoring a lot of this. and i think our state department has to be clear what is expected on the international front from the chinese and try their best to hold them to it. this should become an issue that secretary kerry pushes forward and demands accountability. between if our fbi can present evidence of chinese wrongdoing. >> alisyn: after what happened in benghazi, not to connect the two cases, but we haven't gotten a lot of answers when the americans were killed and ambassador, in benghazi. and when something happens in a foreign country that we will be able to get to the bottom of it, but your optimistic. >> the fbi is adapting to this

and they're great at investigations and the technology thing they're learning and i'm hoping that the fbi thing will do good things with the singapore government. >> alisyn: lt. colonel schaeffer, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> alisyn: after weeks of controversy we're getting reports that the president may meet with wealthy donors forming a new advocacy group and what it make mean for accusations that the group is selling access to the white house. and we're hearing stunning new evidence in the death of the sanctuary intern who was attacked by the lion. it may be shifting the spotlight of blame. >> she was doing what she loved and she did it with joy every day that she worked here and she's going to be missed. i'm he so sorry that this happened.

>> well, the people of venezuela will always have hugo chavez. that's the sentiment for the plans to put the late president's body on display. it will be at the academy for another week before being moved to the museum of the revolution. and more than 200 heads of government attended the funeral and thousands of mourners filed past his glass casket to pay their respects. well, we have new information on the young woman who was killed by a lion in california. investigators say that an open cage door allowed the animal to escape and attack 24-year-old diana hanson while she was cleaning its larger enclosed area. fox's adam housley is live in los angeles. what more do we know. >> reporter: alisyn, the story has changed a bit. the story was she had gone into the cage with the animal

after hours and wasn't supposed to be doing that. now stories come out she had gone to the larger cage to clean it and the cat had been put in a holding cage and somehow that big cat got out of the the cage and attacked her. the theory it got her from behind and according to the coroner one swipe of the paw that snapped her neck and it wasn't the mauling, she was working with the cats she loved from a young age and as we talk to the family, they're heart broken as are the people at the big cat sanctuary. >> she came to us with previous keeper experience including with big cats. her passion for working with these animals was contagious. >> she loved the work. she loved big cats. she had cats in her past and cats now in her life. she was doing what she loved and she she did it with joy every day that she worked here and she's going to be missed.

i'm so sorry this has happened. >> reporter: as you can see, people are just heart broken. diana was someone wanting to work with cats since she was seven years old. she had three years experience working with the cat sanctuary up in washington and only arrived at this location just east of fresno back on january 2nd. she even introduced the cat that killed her to her father after that arrival back the first part of january. of course cous cous the use the r-old lion was also authorities could not get to diana's body when this happened and they had to kill the cat as well. a tragic circumstance as you hear, alisyn, and the investigation is still ongoing. a lot will still come out with and the authorities are continuing to wade through all the details and are tongcontinug in that investigation. >> alisyn: well, if the door was unlocked or opened, that makes more sense than the original reports. adam housley. go ahead. >> reporter: in the theory they're trying to figure out how the lion got the latch open, the big question at this point.

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>> this is a fox news alert. we're now one step closer to knowing who the next pope will be. welcome to a brand new hour of live everyone, i'm alisyn camerota in for megyn kelly

today. the college of cardinals start tuesday the conclave to elect the next pope. that afternoon 115 cardinal electors will walk inside sistene chapel and remain secluded until a new pope is elected. father jonathan morris is a catholic priest and fox news be contributor. hi, father john. >> hey, alisyn, good to be with you. >> alisyn: if the conclave starts on tuesday, when did you and other vatican watchers think we will have a new pope? >> well, if we think about the last conclave, which is a very short conclave, it was just four ballots, two ballots in the morning and two in the afternoon so it was pretty quick. pretty quick. remember, when start in the afternoon on the first day so in the the last conclave, 2005, the election of ratzinger, there were two ballots in the morning and two in the afternoon and he was

elected. it was a fast conclave. i would say most people now, based on the situation, it won't be quite so fast. you never know. remember the cardinals, 115 cardinals are throwing out their ballots in the very, very beginning and seeing, really, who are those cardinals who have the most support. then, without much debate, they go right into the next ballot. and then, they say, you know, i voted for somebody who only got one vote, well, i'm going to throw my vote to somebody else who has more support and it goes back and forth just like that until they come up with two-thirds, plus one majority. >> alisyn: father john, i was just reading on foxnews.com that some of the issues that the cardinals have already been discussing at the meeting in their pre-pope discussions are the issues they think the next pope will have to deal with, including interreligious justice. love and mercy. bioethics. they have a lot on their plate. what do you think the next pope will have as his top

focus? >> well, you know, all of those things are obviously part and parcel of what a pope is all about. that is, at spreading the gospel message and also, dealing with other heads of state and major political and social issues. but the main focus is passing on the teachings of the church and of the gospel to the next generation. let me tell you, alisyn, what is being talked about right now as a priority in terms of selecting, the profile of the next pope. number one, somebody who's able to give a joyful and energetic and committed and convincing explanation of what the church is all about, with so much secularization, so many young people not attached to any specific religion and also with the scandals there have been in the catholic church and other churches, these a number one priority. a communication, okay, a communication of the gospel message in a joyful way, that's what i'm hearing at least, secondly, someone who is able to govern, that is there's been some -- there's

been some major stories of scandal, right, the leaked story and many others. and there needs to be somebody who has managed all of these departments that are directing in church that has 1.2 billion members. those are the two priorities i would say. in the end it's somebody who is committed and who has fallen in love with the person of jesus christ, however. >> alisyn: father jonathan, how big an influence do you think that geography will be. a lot of people speculated they'll give some added weight to perhaps a pope from latin america, even the u.s.? what do you think? >> sure. well, remember, before john paul ii for 500 years only italians, and john paul ii, polish, breck that trend. and then we have this german in ratzinger and those trends

of italian popes have been broken. there's a block and quite a bit of division among them who is the best person for the job. and so, if an italian is not the right person then they're going to start looking, is there somebody in africa, in asia? it doesn't-- there doesn't seem to be a candidate that's jumping out from those two continents right now and they're going to the americas. among the americas, i don't mean just the united states, but canada, the united states, latin america, south america, who are the candidates? well, there's one, two, three, that are coming up right now and they're actually being given a major consideration, as you say, alisyn. the fact that american cardinals are actually in the running, unheard of. but they're very much being taken-- being taken seriously right now in the italian press, in the blogs, and it's fascinating to watch. >> alisyn: it sure is and it will be fascinating to see what they settle on. i don't have to tell you the large-- the longest conclave ever was two years and nine months

long. that was in the year 1268. it sounds like you think this one will be shorter? >> no, but you know why -- it will definitely be shorter. they now call it a conclave, it means they're locked up and after a little while, they will start taking away their food rations. i can guarantee you, it won't be that long. and there will be a pope very soon. >> alisyn: very nice. all right. thanks so much for the update on the conclave, so nice. >> all right. >> alisyn: here is a closer look how the conclave will work, and the cardinals eligible to vote are those under 80 and they are sequestered within vatican city and required to hand over cell phones and other devices and take an oath of secrecy. they will he' vote every day in the chapel until a new pope is elected. they will have no contact with the outside world until this it is complete. and two ballots held each morning and two each afternoon in the sistene chapel as you heard father john tell us and two-thirds majority or 77

votes are required. the ballots are burned after each round. now, black smoke means no decision. white smoke signals the cardinals have chose and pope and he has accepted. rare presidential business as president obama pardons 17 people. the first pourardons of the second term. they're significant because this president so infrequently grants them. the individuals came from 13 different states and had been convicted for nonviolent offenses, including falsely altering a u.s. money order. and possessing an unregistered firearm and acquiring food stamps without authorization. before this, the president granted 22 pardons. former president george w. bush granted 189 pardons in his two terms and former president clinton 396 pardons during his presidency. all right, well, we're also

tracking a developing story in washington where we're getting reports that president obama may meet next week with some of the wealthy donors supporting organizing for action. ofa is an advocacy group aimed at promoting the president's agenda. it's made up of the president's former campaign team and dealing accusations that they're trying to use access as a tool. and a nonprofit watch dog group called for the president to shut down organizing for action. welcome, bob. >> it's good to be with you this afternoon. >> alisyn: why did you want to shut down organizing for action? >> we think it's the wrong optics for the president. we don't want the president to disarm, but we do want the president to lead on reform issues. this is a time for the president to set the legacy that he so richly deserves by working to put back in place presidential public financing,

to get disclosure legislation passed so that all contributions are disclosed. it's not the time to say, i'm going to sequester myself four times a year with those that give high dollars. we're pleased that organizing for action has backed off on saying that people who bundle or contribute $500,000 will suddenly see the president four times a year. we want the president to see all of us who care about reform. we think that this organization that the president's formed is very similar to other super pacs that were part of the last election and we want to move in a different direction. why should the next president of the united states spend 3 or 400 days in their first four years raising money for their reelection, a billion dollars or more. why should the next two candidates for president not have a healthy presidential public financing system in place. why isn't the president

talking about fixing the federal election commission, which is broken and doesn't monitor money and politics. and how about the federal communications commission. much of the 6 or 7 billion dollars that was spent in the last presidential campaign was spent on television and radio ads. why not open up those airways and give free time to those candidates who are seeking the presidency, so that the amount of money is decreased. we think organizing for action simply is moving in the wrong direction. we called on the president to replace it, to end it, and if he goes back to rethinking its structure, base it on average, ordinary voters and citizens. he has enough, many millions of followers and donors. >> yeah. >> and use those small donors, not the wealthy. >> it's interesting, bob, some of the things you're suggesting there sound like some of the things that candidate obama himself

believed in and touted back in 2008 when he was running for president. one of the things he talked about was that he would not allow white house access to lobbyists, that the white house was not going to be on sale to the lobbyists. so when it came to light last week that for $500,000 you could have these quarterly meetings with the president, some say that smacked of lobbying. jim messina of the president's campaign manager, who is now involved in ofa, put out an op-ed and he said that he wanted to clarify that, that these meetings would not be opportunities to lobby the president, rather they would be briefings from the president to people who were interested in his agenda. does that comfort you? >> it's a good baby step in the right direction, but it's still getting the president connected to super-donors rather than the president connected to the grass roots. we want to see the president take the lead on reform and

jim messina is trying and i think some of what common cause and the good government groups have done, have forced the opportunity for organizing for action to backtrack a bit, but still, wealthy donors are going to be a key. all of these access meetings, including what's going to happen next week are suspect because of the optics of how this organization was formed. the president needs to recognize, and you were right. in '08 the president said i'm not taking presidential public financing, but i plan to fix it in my first term. it wasn't fixed and so you saw romney and the president, each raising a billion dollars for the election. plus, all the money that was plowed into super pacs. you know, this is a dangerous moment for democracy. we're either going to be a nation that of and by and for the people or of and by and for large corporations of the

wealthy. citizens united, the supreme court decision has unlocked money and all we saw in this last election was money buys you access, money buys you candidates on both sides. >> alisyn: right. >> it's got to stop. >> alisyn: bob edgar, thanks so much for coming in, we shall know more information after next week if the president does in fact meet with some of those donors. thanks so much. >> good to be with you. >> alisyn: back it one of our big stories today as usama bin laden's son-in-law and al-qaeda spokesman appears in a new york federal court on terror charges. we'll speak to a family member of a 9/11 victim and ask what they think of this plan to try this man in a civilian court. and a waitress' stolen wallet is returned by a restaurant patron. this is no good deed. and what brought a purse snatching victim face-to-face with the alleged thief. plus the white house's decision to cancel public tours has sparked growing debate over how the federal government actually spends our

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>> what in the world are we treating him as if he's some common criminal and why in the world is he not at guantanamo bay. >> alisyn: that was senator lindsey graham raising a question we've heard a lot in the last 20 hours. how did the obama administration decide on a civilian court trial for this man. he's usama bin laden son-in-law, 28-year-old served as an al-qaeda spokesman. he pled not guilty in new york this morning on the charge of conspiracy to kill americans. today's hearing raises serious questions about the decision to hold this trial on u.s. soil, rather than at guantanamo bay. joe connor's husband was killed in the world trade center on 9/11 and he joins me now. >> hi.

>> alisyn: tell me what you thought when you heard the news that another al-qaeda spokesperson top official was captured. >> i thought it was a great news that he was captured and congratulate our intelligence officials, it's good and bad news, but look what we're doing with him. put him in a civilian court and that's wrong. >> alisyn: president obama campaigned on the idea that he would close guantanamo bay. what do you not like about trying them in new york city. >> i don't think they should be given the same rights as u.s. citizens. we saw it with gilani, he was tried for 280 different counts and acquitted of the violent ones and convicted of only one and that was conspiracy to destroy government property. fortunately at the time the judge kaplin realized that being part of a conspiracy means you're responsible for all the parts of that conspiracy and sentenced him to life in is no guarantees

that it happened this time and i could see them walking because it's happened before. >> alisyn: what i was going to say in the last question, is this harder than the president thought and it proved harder when eric holder tried to bring him in, because there was so much outcry, but today seems to have gone differently. >> they're logistical issues they hadn't brought up much as they had before. but my concern is that a guy like this comes to a civilian court and he's put away. and hopefully he would be convicted, but it wouldn't -- it's not-- it's conspiracy, it's not murder and we have seen in the past that the fla terrorists also convicted of conspiracy were released by president clinton in 1999. now, they killed my father and my father's god son was killed on 9/11, so we've seen it happen before. >> alisyn: i want to get to

that. your family has, sadly a long and tragic experience. >> we do. >> alisyn: with terrorism. your cousin was killed on 9/11 in the world trade center. you commuted through there regularly. >> i was there with my brother that morning and we commuted through, yeah. >> alisyn: and your father was killed by terrorism. >> all in new york city, yes. so we -- i'm torn in a lot of ways here because it's so great that we're capturing these guys, but i want people to understand that when political winds change, it is possible that these guys could be released. someone is going to look at their ledger and say why are they in federal prison they were never sentenced to life in prison and no violent crimes here when clearly they were, their convictions reflect that and that's a concern for me. as a 9/11 family member and the where my father was killed. >> alisyn: in 1974. what i'm sorry, 1975 what happened. >> my father worked for jp

morgan bank and he was having lunch on a friday afternoon and celebrating our birthdays, he went with clients and moved a table and sat in front of a bomb meant to kill a lot of people. it was moved and killed four at that day and fla claimed responsibility and for 130 bombs in the u.s. and puerto rico in 1974-1983. so, my dad was a good man, he was just working like everybody else and he didn't come home that night and steve, his god son, the same thing worked for cantor fitzgerald, went to work and kids the same age as my brother and me, and steve didn't come home and my brother and i went to his house last night in franklin lakes, new jersey to my uncle and his wife and his kids and relived the same thing we'd done with my dad. so, this is, this is serious and we cannot try these guys in a -- in a civilian court,

they need to be moved to guantanamo bay and put away for life. >> alisyn: okay. joe connor, we appreciate you sharing your story with us, and sorry for your loss and your family knows how you want this to proceed. thanks for sharing with us. >> thanks alisyn for having me. >> alisyn: an elementary school coming underfire for confiscating a third graders cupcakes and why they called the treats insensitive and a purse snatching victim is face-to-face with a person who apparently stole her stuff. wait until you see how one waitress managed to get the drop on the suspect. >> i brought him water and had him order appetizers and i don't know how i kept it cool, i wanted to jump over the table and go at her. wasn't quite the same.  the recipe's not the recipe... ohhh. [ female announcer ] ...without swanson. the broth cooks trust most when making soup. mmmm! [ female announcer ] the secret is swanson.

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>> a very bizarre coincidence out in colorado where a waitress' wallet was stolen. she lost her money, her credit cards and her license and then just about a week later, that waitress takes a drink order from a group of patrons. >> let's go to trace gallagher and find out more about this coincidence. >> reporter: here name is brianna out with friends and they were partying and lost her wallet, cash was garon and driver's license was gone and the next couple of weeks someone was useses her license to write hundreds of dollars in bad checks. well, she works as you said at applebe applebee's a waitress. and people walked in one ordered a margarita and asks for her i.d. and hands her her stolen driver's license, right? she says to the woman, look, i'll be right back with her

margarita and calls the cops and listen to brianna. >> i kept them around and got them some water, had them order appetizers, i don't know how i kept it cool. i wanted to jump across the table and go at her. >> reporter: but she didn't. instead police showed up just a few minutes later and they arrested the woman who also happened to be carrying drugs. police have not yet released the suspect's name, but they say she is your basic dumb criminal. not just because she stole brianna's wallet, but because she's 26 years old and when she ordered that margarita. she could have used her own i.d. instead she used brianna's and she got busted. the suspect and brianna we're told look nothing alike. >> alisyn: that's fantastic. look, the waitress had great composure because instead of saying, hey, these me, you know, she knew to go call the cops. >> reporter: yeah, she ran and called the cops. she said she was nervous and

went over there and told her manager and called the cops and waiting for the cops to show up. delaying, making sure to feed them and giving them drinks. great story. >> it is a great story and i'm guessing the waitress didn't get a tip, but the patron got karma, that's even better. thanks, trace. >>. >> reporter: it is. >> alisyn: a new mortality index is raising a concern about the new health care law, they're afraid that federal checklists will force them to choose whether their patients live or die. we'll explain that. and we're tracking a major winter storm slamming the northeast and knocking out power to thousands, we'll tell who got hit the hardest and where it's headed next. plus, the white house decision to cancel public tours is sparking debate over how the federal government actually spends our money. while the people's house is closed we'll show you which projects are still going strong. >> i don't think it was a reasonable decision. this is our house. we should be able to go into

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>> all right. we're following developments as the snow keeps falling acnortheast. parts of new england are buried under 20 inches of snow, and the storm is not over yet.

there are thousands of people across the region without power. some areas are dealing with serious flooding at this hour, forcing police to close roads and there are concerns that flooding can get worse as the snow melts. we'll keep an eye on that for you. you. >> the white house is our house. please let us visit. >> alisyn: all right. that was a message from a group of 6th graders in iowa after the obama administration announced that it was canceling public tours of the white house starting today. they're blaming the automatic spending cuts from the sequester, but if the government does not have money for white house tours, how can it justify spending your money on things like, well, let's take a look at this list. three white house calligraphers who together earn $277,000 a year. or $141,000 to fund a chinese study on swine manure, we're not making that up. what about $500,000 spent to

support shampoo products for cats and dogs, half a million for shampoo research. why aren't the pet products companies getting at that task? and one of our favorites, while the government shuts the doors to the white house, it did spend part of a $325,000 national science foundation grant to build a robotic squirrel. we call him robo squirrel. alan colmes the host of the alan comes show and lars larsen joins me now. great to see you guys. alan, of all the choices and places to cut federal spending, why would the obama administration start with white house tours? >> well, there's more to the story than i think is generally reported which is that the uniformed division officers under which the people who give the tours fall involves the secret service and that they are using these people now for other security areas in the white house because of furloughs that will take place and this could

reduce the number of furloughs for the secret service based on reassignment of personnel and that's the full story. it's a security issue more than we're going to deny these kids the chance to go and see the white house and we're taking your house away from you or somehow, it's a trivial thing that really doesn't matter when other things are much more important. >> alisyn: so i hear you and i think that-- will the me just ask alan one more point because they said it would be $74,000 for these secret service agents. >> right. >> alisyn: so you're saying that the president, who we know has some latitude in these cuts. couldn't find the $74,000 elsewhere through some other wasteful or-- >> i don't work at the white house so i don't do the books there, not the bean counter, but the explanation is this has to do with security issues and reassignment of personnel given the furlough hes that must take place. >> alisyn: alan -- i'm sorry, lars, some people have suggested that the closing of the white house smells like a stunt to get the public

attention for the fact that the republicans, the white house say, didn't figure out the sequester? >> i think it stinks and i think that alan's argument is a bunch of chinese chicken manure, frankly, because the white house spends, as you pointed out. almost $300,000 on calligraphers, lets get rid of those altogether and farm it out to private sector printing companies. let me point out the obama white house in the last three years has given to the white house tour director nearly 44% increase in pay from 70,000 a year to $100,000 a year. so you've got a white house tour director, but no tours. the president is trying to punish americans, many of whom may be taking their kids to washington to see the nation's capital during spring break and they're being told, you're shut out. we're so short of money, he we don't have money for the tours. alan knows better than it's not security. we could easily arrange security for the white house. this is chinese chicken

manure. >> the way the right is playing it because he they can't stand anything that the president does, that the president is somehow purposely hurting little children who want to take the tours for the white house they-- >> he is. >> when this is clearly a security issue something you'd like to be oblivious too. >> alisyn. >> you can say anything you want, that's the fact of the matter. >> alisyn: yes, lars? >> the president just spent a million dollars for a golf weekend. that was the extra cost of flying air force one down so the president could see his thousand dollars an hour golf pro and visit with tiger woods. take that million dollars and could you fund the tours of the white house for what, another five or six years? and alan, your math doesn't add up. i'm glad you're not a bean counter. >> there's an always different yard stick for this president. all presidents take vacations and go on air force one. only when this president does it is it a problem for this president and it's a double standard. >> alisyn: alan, are you comfortable. >> no it's not. >> alisyn: are you comfortable with the idea that the white house, the people's house, of

course, had to cancel tours for school kids? because we know that there are other places that they could have cut. >> again, look, i think the optics of this are bad, i know, it looks bad because we keep saying, we're preventing little kids from going to the white house, but i'm telling you, it's a security issue based on the reassignment of personnel that must be done based on the sequester. >> alisyn. >> you can spin it any way you want. if you want because you want to make-- >> let me point something out, alisyn. >> alisyn: yes, lars. >> i think that alan wants to do a filibuster, but believe me you're no rand paul, alan. >> thank you. >> i've got to tell you this. how about this? the secret service is under the treasury department, now, the white house has its own budget and in that budget are the calligraphers, the white house tour director. why don't we fire one or two or even three of the calligraphers, save $277,000 a year, and continue the tours for the little kids. >> alisyn: alan, how about that? >> the response, you know what's interesting? the president is firing people and hurting jobs.

>> good. >> here is the president. >> should down size the government. >> you should be happy the president is finally cutting something. >> he's only cutting under duress and now it. >> and to hurt little children-- >> let's not demagogue the issue. >> demagogue, saying he's hurting little children is demagoguing. >> alisyn: the children put out an entreaty to the white house please let us come to the white house for a class trip. >> who put it together. >> alisyn: i guess the kids or-- >> and alan, here is the point. >> the evil right wingers, there was a robotic squirrel for $325,000. doesn't it seem, alan, as though there was another place, rather than closing the white house tours, just make a few other adjustments. we're showing robo squirrel right now. >> i have a feeling with this president-- some things of the issues decided by the congress and the republican house by the way. some of those expenditures you mentioned are indeed decided by congress not by the executive branch. so, those are the the ones who you should blame for those expenses you don't like.

>> alisyn: okay, yes, lars, alan has a point and these things were authorized by congress. doesn't the president have latitude to cut in certain places? >> the president has latitude within the white house budget. while every budget for the care and feeding of the first family has grown, last year he' total 1.4 billion dollars. we all this president at a time he's wracked up 6 trillion dollars of new debt for the united states a lot of those decisions were his decision -- alan, he has lived very, very lavishly when a time we should see austerity as an example from the commander-in-chief and you can't accept the fact-- >> are you filibuster? >> let me point out the deficit is down under this president, by the way. >> oh, the deficit is down. >> yes. >> alisyn, check the books, a trillion dollars last year, a trillion dollars this year, a trillion dollars next year. if the deficit is down. >> yes. >> why is it always a trillion dollars? >> not only is the deficit

down, but the rate of spending which increases under every president is much less under this president. >> in spending increase. alan-- >> the rate of spending is less under this president. >> alisyn: okay, lars, you go and then alan, your spot. >> alisyn, this is the way that government wants to figure things. alisyn, if roger ailes says to you i'm planning to give you a $10,000 raise and then he only delivers a $5,000 raise by alan's math that means you've taken a $5,000 cut. this is the way that government at every level, federal, state and local does things. they plan on huge increases and when you cut the increase, but they still increase, they call it a cut. alan, that doesn't add up. >> alisyn: number one, don't give roger ailes any ideas. number two, alan, but what is yours-- alan, as we know, the president had some say in what could be cut. so, and this isn't just about people who will do -- who say that the president is bad and will do anything. you're okay with the fact that

this is their first public big cut? >> number one, i'll take roger's $5,000 raise. number two is that again, this was-- >> not based on performance. >> what has been lost in the brouhaha of the young children, that's key here that needs to be explained. >> alisyn: all right, thank you very much, gentlemen for the debate, always outstanding. great to see you. new fallout from the president's health care law, up next, why some doctors fear na this new mortality index could force them to choose whether their patients live or die. we'll explain that. and a cupcake controversy in one elementary school. why the principal said these treats were not suitable for the classroom. [ kate ] many women may not be absorbing the calcium they take

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>> michigan elementary school is coming under fire for confiscating a third graders cupcakes because they were decorated with plastic green army soldiers. the boy's father called the boy's cupcake insensitive in light of the mass shooting in sandy hook. the principal released a statement. our concern is the children and creating a safe place for them to learn. all right, we're hearing new concerns today whether the president's health care overhaul will force doctors to decide whether their patients should live or die. there's a new mortality index partially funded by the federal government, gives the doctor a 12-item list they can use to help determine whether costly screenings or medical procedures are worth the risks for patients who are unlikely to live at least ten years or more. dr. manny alvarez, medical a-teamer here to explain this

to us. dr. manny, what is the mortality index. >> it's another type of test that came out in 1996 or so and it was going to help doctors determine the morbidity of patients within four years, now, recently, this just came out a couple of days ago, it was published in jamma and it's a much broader index looking at a point system, basically if you're a male, we'll give you two points, over 65, another point. >> alisyn: if you smoke, if you're overweight. >> medical diseases. and if you score a 26 basically 95% of chance of dying within several years, score low, it's better for you. when i read the study i said a-ha, this is good. tell the patients channing your life style, exercise, quit smoking, exercise more. and the author said, no, no, no, this is not for that. it's to help explain to patients that they perhaps don't need necessary testing. maybe you don't need the colonoscopy because you're 80

years old or mrs. so-and-so, not doing the pap smear. i was shocked because we kept talking about the death panels, a couple of years ago, remember that? and you know what? you're looking at it. i'm the death panel, basically the federal government, the federal government is coercing, along with some of my peers, and i wrote about this in fox news health.com, that perhaps the day is going to come where i'm going to have the tools available to me that i'm going to be able to then tell patients, listen you don't qualify for this, move on and it's all about the dollars and cents. it's not about the ethics of being a physician, it's not about finding the truth of healing, it's about dollars and cents. >> and yet, we know that all of the health care costs in this country, are often concentrated in the last year of a patient's life. i think one third, fully one third of our health care costs happen in the last year of a patient's life because they are subjected to so many tests and hospitalizations. is there a way to reorder some of those? >> of course there are, of course there are.

there are many, many ways and the input right now, you know, science is a moving object and you know, i go to medical meetings and there's a lot of of presentations and the data is looked at and doctors look at it and it's recommended. but the way that things are happening now, it's too fast and furious. we have the preventive task force every six months. don't do mammogram for women at age of 40, do it at age 50. so on and so forth. between these task forces and these types of tests that doctors are being placed in. and remember, in another ten or 15 years from now i would say maybe 70% of all the doctors will be employed by somebody, either a hospital or insurance company, or a federal agency. they're not going to be independent contractors. listen if you pay me a salary and want me to do this this is your policy, what do you think is going to happen? i'm going to do it. baby steps, socialized medicine, death panel. >> alisyn: in other words, you're saying if you score high on this mortality index. >> right.

>> alisyn: that then the government is suggesting that you not get your patients tested for certain things? >> well, my peers in government. you remember, this is coming from other bureaucrat particular physicians that are part of the solution, right? so, they're going to suggest to me, now, look, in my piece i said, well, these doctors with these tests are they going to be employed by, let's say, insurance agencies or federal insurance agencies, they'll say i want to do a colonoscopy on this patient. wait a minute did you do the test. >> alisyn: what's the mortality index. >> i'll say 19 oh, 19 forget about it we're not going to pay for it. so, you know, look, it's just the wrong way to practice medicine. it's the wrong way to kind of you know, we keep saying that the new 70 is the new 30, whatever the case may be so we get it from this side of the equation, but at the same time now it's all about dollars and cents. >> alisyn: and of course, it is all about dollars and cents and critics would say that doctors do subject elderly patients to unnecessary tests because they're so afraid of lawsuits and missing

something. >> 100% true and that, i said that in my article, too, yes there's going to be criticism. a lot of doctors are out making money on-- from poor patients that really don't need a lot of the tests. >> alisyn: what's the answer? >> look, the answer is the medical societies, you know, the scientific community needs to get back in the game and start creating protocols that really are applicable to patient care and get input from doctors and nurses and they will tell you what the answers are. the answers are not coming out of washington, the answers are coming from hospitals and nurses and people that really are in the trenches. they are the ones that should be doing all of this work. >> alisyn: dr. manny alvarez. if you want to read more go to foxnews.com and read his article. thanks, dr. manny. >> thank you. >> alisyn: today we witnessed what could be the final chapter of american civil war history being written in real-time as two sailors went down with one of the war's great iron clad are finally laid to rest. trace brings us what will

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>> we're watching american civil war history playing out in real time today as two navy sailors from the u.s.s. monitor are being buried at the arlington cemetery. the ship sank in rough seas more than a century and a half ago. trace, tell us more. >> reporter: in fact it was 151 years ago tomorrow that the union ship u.s.s. monitor fought the confederate ship to a draw in the battle of hampton rhodes. and it sank in rough seas off

cape hatteras. and the men died. it laid there almost 130 years, 1973 they found it. in 2002 the monitor's turret was brought to the surface and two skeletons and the tattered remains inside. for the past decades they've been using dna and facial reconstruction to figure out the identity of the sailors, and they narrowed it down to 16 sailors, and after a push, noaa and the u.s. monitor sanctuary. the government now agreed to bury the sailors at arlington national cemetery with full honor. the i.d.'s, remains narrowed to six out of the 16. all descendents from the 16 families will be invited and navy secretary said that this is a huge honor because these

may be the last navy personnel from the civil war ever to be buried at arlington national cemetery. this is fascinating and the ceremony begins at four o'clock eastern time today, ali. really, really an amazing thing. >> alisyn: it's amazing and what they can do with that facial reconstruction technology. those were interesting images. thanks, trace. >> reporter: okay. >> alisyn: and we're remembering all of america's heroes. we'll be right back.

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