>> gretchen: we're back with cameron. i hope he's sticking around. >> i'm not going anywhere. i'm here all day. >> gretchen: log on for the after the show show. have a great day. >> steve: survey tuned tomorrow. see if he's still here. the bank raids in the little-known country of cyprus. we're learning large account holders could lose as much as 40% of their bank account deposits and never get the money back. good morning i'm bill hemmer. as you look at lines in cyprus. welcome to "america's newsroom.". >> i'm alisyn camerota in for martha maccallum alysin: banks coopen in a week. bill: charles pain, fox business network.

tell us why we care? >> this is a western nation with similar banking laws. they're doing something we've never seen with respect to bank accounts. everyone watching the show think their bank accounts are off limits. there are certain area things won't be confiscated. typically the house and bank account and this is something to be very worried about because cyprus has gotten into trouble. the country and the banks. yet the people are bearing the brunt, some would call it punishment, whatever.d say pg skin in the game. bill: a lot of people think this is targeted at the rich and that might be the case but if your life savings is $250,000 and you've got that in the bank and 150,000 of that savings account would be taxed at 40 percent. how much, that is so un-american. >> it is. bill, it is un-american and listen, that's what people have to be very careful. all these policies and all of the rhetoric in this country over the last four years about targeting the

rich, they're not paying their fair share, i don't know if everybody realizes, every time you pass something that targets rich all of us feel a little nick. everyone else had to pay payroll taxes. california prop 30 to tax the rich but everyone's sales taxes went up. you have to be careful for a government insatiable need for money they target the easy target in this case, russian oligarchs and mobsters. but in this case, anyone with a 100,000 euros get a haircut. bill: could this spread? is italy, is spain a possibility? >> italy was a possibility. coming into the year it was 50-50 chance they would need a bailout. got to tell you something, running numbers from all the bailouts we've seen so far, the worst-case scenario for italy would be $1.5 trillion

bailout. the best-case scenario would be $200 billion bailout. the bottom line, if italy needs mon money a lot of people think they will need a bailout this year, people there can expect some real interesting draconian measures particularly after the election. someone who was satirist, some call him a clown, would get 25% of the vote. bill: we'll watch it. see you in the side monitor. with stu varney on fbn. >> thanks, bill. bill: charles payne leading the coverage. alisyn. alysin: they are not the only nation suffering in ire row sown. 19 million people are unemployed five euro air countries, spain, ireland, portugal,

all needed bailouts. there are new reports that the military is planning to send a crisis team of marines to the middle east to be ready to respond to breaking events. this in response to the september attack on our embassy in benghazi of course. four people including our ambassador there were killed in that attack. fox's steve centanni is live in washington. steve, how exactly would this kind of deployment work? >> reporter: well, alisyn, small teams of special operations forces would be deployed based on ships in the middle east of the according to "the wall street journal" they would be ready to report to any trouble spots using mv-22 osprey aircraft. they are capable of taking off vertically or horizontally. the chairman. house intelligence committee commented today on the planning underway for these special operations teams. listen. >> we have these units that are deployable around the world for quick reaction especially at embassies and

other things. this is really a prudent placement of resources. no one should read this is, this means that marines will be on the ground in syria, anything like that. what it does mean that we're in a better position, if there dissomething like benghazi happen. >> reporter: these special rapid response teams would be attached to marine expeditionary units that are stationed in the middle east. alisyn. alisyn: steve, when would a new gameplan go into effect? >> reporter: it is still being worked out. there are war games scheduled in april to help military commanders to make a final decision whether or not to the amphibious ships in the middle east. this comes as libya is heating up and fallout from benghazi continues n that attack there was no military force close you have enough to intervene and four americans were killed including the ambassador. the military is learning how to improve their rapid

deployments and this one way they could go forward. alisyn: steve, thank you very much. bill: just to let you know what we're talking about here, there are plenty of land based military assets over the region. whether the u.s. fleet in bahrain. the british have an airbase in cyprus. cyprus back in the news. aviano airspace base in italy. all of them are land-based. the critical aspect of this story are the ships in the mediterranean the relationship they have, the closeness, the proximity they have to places like algeria or tunisia, libya here that is highlighted on the map. egypt or over here in the eastern mediterranean be it leb none or syria. they could operate with the marine expeditionary units on these ships in the mediterranean. that would put them that much closer to the action if they need to be called in. these new units, meu, is the acronym, they would be attached to these units. they were some of the first

marines to go into afghanistan in october and november of 2001 when the war on terror first began. and they can operate on land. they can operate on sea and they are very, very effective. alisyn: sound like we need it. remember leon panetta said he did aletters the fast teams but they were not fast enough to get there. for the first time a woman will run the u.s. secret service. president obama naming veteran age end, julia pierson to head up the agency. she was chief of staff or the outgoing director for the past five years. she began working 30 years and working in miami and orlando. before joining the agency she was a police officer in orlando. bill: before the justices today, the high court will hear arguments to overturn a federal law that defines marriage between a man and a woman. today's hearing comes over a day after of the court weighed constitutionality, heard arguments of a voter

approved ban on gay marriage in california known as proposition 8. here is part of the argument from yesterday. >> yes, your honor. the concern that redefining marriage as a genderless institution will sever its abiding connection to its historic traditional procreated purposes and it will refocus, refocus the purpose of marriage and the definition of marriage away from the raising of children and to the emotional needs and desires of adults. of adult couples. bill: it went on. shannon bream is live on the steps of the supreme court. what is the difference today between, i guess the arguments today and yesterday, shannon? spell that out. >> reporter: well, bill, yesterday we had a state initiative that was at issue, prop 8 where california voters amended their constitution to only recognize a marriage between a man and a woman. the conversation was about do we overturn the process if the court finds the ban unconstitutional and

discriminatory? do we tell the voters of california they got it wrong and overrule that? today at issue is the defense of marriage act and signed into law but then president bill clinton back in the '90s. it essentially says for federal purposes, benefits and irs purposes the marriage is between only a man and woman. those that live in states where same-sex marriage still under doma wouldn't get same benefits and tax breaks as tax treatment as couples who are under traditional marriage or opposite sex marriage in the terminology of the court here. both cases have estimate lar problem, after the laws were passed governments responsible for defending them decided not to. california attorney general said they wouldn't do. doma and attorney general eric holder said they wouldn't defend doma. other parties taken up the fight. the court had to consider yesterday and will today whether those parties are the right ones to bring the case. there is strong possibility if they don't find the proper standing for the parties they won't even get

to the merits of the case, bill. bill: doma, defense of marriage signed into law 1996, president bill clinton. once justices do get to the heart of the case what is on the line here, shannon? >> reporter: today the woman at the center of the case is edith winsor. she married spouse in canada where it was legal but they lived in new york, which at that time didn't recognize same-sex marriage. so when her partner passed away she had a very hefty tax bill and filed with the irs to be recognized as a spouse but under doma she couldn't be. she will be here today. she has been fighting case for years to get this point. as noted the administration said we'll not defend this. what has happened a house group of bipartisan republicans and democrats taken up the legal defense. they will be arguing for upholding doma on behalf of the obama administration which is essentially said we find it unconstitutional and we won't. a lot of same issues. it is a little bit different. either way we will get audio today, probably between 1:00

and 2:00 eastern and a decision in the case ultimately by the end of june, bill. bill: shah, shannon bream back at the high court today. >> show you where the country is on gay marriage. nine states and district of columbia allah same-sex marriage. six states allow civil unions. but 35 states or ma jo the still have a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. bill: i think it is fascinating when we get audio clips and justices and lawyers arguing. it bounces off the walls. you get a sense for the drama of the moment we'll have that later. we're just getting rolling here. anger on the rise in america. why more voters are just unhappy, flat-out unhappy after the election of november with their government today. we'll explain. alisyn: plus a vial containing a deadly virus goes missing. who is now involved in trying to track this down? bill: also growing outrage over what some view as a major government excess that is costing you, the taxpayer, a lot of money.

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alisyn: all right. new details now on evidence recovered at the scene of that wild police shootout in texas. authorities say bomb making materials, instructions and documents from the department of corrections were found in evan ebel's car. ebel died after the shootout and he is suspected murdering colorado prison chief tom clements who was laid to rest earlier this week. texas authorities handed over evidence to colorado investigators. bill: brand new polling numbers show that a growing number of americans are flat-out unhappy with what is happening with their government. "cbs news poll" says this, top line there in red. 30% describe themselves as angry. that sup 9% since december. only 16% say they're

satisfied with things in washington, d.c. as you see on the bottom line there. alan colmes is the host of the "alan colmes radio show". fox news contributor. maya miller, advisor to house speaker john boehner and senior vice president at the winston group out of washington, d.c. how are you two doing this morning? what is going on, myra? what is going on in america that would give you numbers like this? let me say, let me get it right, 80% are unhappy. eight in 10 say they're not happy with the way washington is working. >> well, you know, bill, anger at d.c. is really nothing new but i think some of the spike in the recent numbers is due to frustration over the economy and in the last election we just saw the economy was the number one issue. it has been that way for a long time among a number of groups that were central to the election, women, young voters, hispanics, the economy is the number one issue. a very broad based concern. as polling shows there is a lot of anxiety and being

addressed. bill: do you think that, alan? >> about of economy getting lack of anything done. sequester people are concerned about. congress has, what, 11 to 18% approval rating depending which poll you look at. people are frustrated seeing nothing getting done and the two parties not being able to come to terms and lack of bipartisanship. >> to alan's point --. bill: before i let you answer that, i want to share with viewers, i want this to be part of the debate. these are president obama's approval numbers. 45%. that is down seven points in just a month. what explains that, myra? >> well, i think to alan's point there are a lot of things voters think could be done to then help the economy and are not. look at president's job approval is evenly split and his economic approval is lower, minus 15. keystone pipeline is good example of something the public clearly supports. 80% of the people support the keystone pipeline. president says for all of the above yet we're still waiting for that to be

approved. if i were democrats i would be nervous. >> keystone pipeline is not biggest issue in the country. bill: alan, you win a election and second term you get a bit of a buoyancy. >> rasmussen has him at 51%. cbs "washington post", 48%. he is pretty much where most presidents are little a above. there is always always honeymoon period of a the election which --. bill: 7 point dip, bother you, alan? >> no. not really. i don't think, expect it is not much different than we normally see in this kind of trajectory at this point in a typical presidency, what do you think of that, myra? >> again i think his economic job approval, would be very concerning if i were democrats. it was significantly lower than his overall approval. look at independents it is even lower. if i were democrats i would be quite nervous about that. that pose as huge opportunity for republicans to put forth ideas and proposals. voters are frustrated and

they're listening for solutions. >> republicans ought to realize the problem isn't a democrat. look at polling on republican problems and they have and the interbattles we're seeing, republican has to get messaging together and decide what that message is. bill: in this poll, congress across the board is close to single digits. >> true. bill: members of congress are used to low numbers. they have been on the floor for couple years now. alan, you mentioned sequestration. you know what the poll found about sequestration when asked whether it has an impact or not, the number of people say it has had no impact on america. doubled in one month t was a 12%. now 23%. >> that is because, you know, people thought, oh the andte march 1st happens things will go bad. bill: keep saying that. >> as time goes on i think you see the numbers go down as more and more people realize it does affect them. bill: the evidence suggest it is not happening. >> as of now, doesn't happen right away. as time goes on if we don't

solve the problem, people will be affected personally you will see the numbers change. bill: maya do you agree with that, the numbers will change. >> sequester was 2 cents on every dollar the federal government spends. we have to start somewhere. ultimately voters look for economic growth to turn the economy around, not just spending cuts alone. bill: headline from the poll, anger at d.c. is on the rise. we'll see whether or not that changes in time. maya, thank you, alan, thank you. okay? >> yeah. i'll see you, stop by and give you a cup of coffee. bill: slap me upside the head. see you later. here is alisyn. alisyn: another scare in a town as a possible fourth sinkhole opens. why people are concerned that the entire neighborhood could just buckle now. bill: time to start your engines. a first look at more than 60 new cars to hit the market. it is all about power and performance and a little bit of style as you're about to find out. >> that will be fun. ♪ .

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bill: so the madness continues. there is yet another sinkhole in a florida town near tampa. people say they're constantly in fear the ground may open you beneath their home. especially at nighttime that we've seen in the past already. so we've had one gentleman tell us several sinkholes opened up in the past month alone. you might remember the man who was swallowed by one underneath his bedroom floor. his body, by the way was never found. they thought that sinkhole could go 100 feet or more. alisyn: that one was so tragic. his relatives wishing he

weren't there then. all right, everyone, fasten your seatbelts, one of the world's largest car shows opening this week. it is all about power, performance and style. and we can think of no one better than rick leventhal to show off the muscle cars. he is live from the media preview of the new york auto show. rick, give us a preview? >> reporter: one of my favorite jobs in the whole world, alisyn. there are nearly a thousand cars at this show, many of them being debuted in north america. this one of them. mercedes cla class. this a all knew vehicle from the ground up. it is based on the cls 550 model. it has 280 horsepower engine. it is really beautiful car and has all the features you would expect from mercedes. but here's the thing, this car, base model is less than $30,000.

you can buy this mercedes sometime later this year, maybe december, under 30 grand. this is big deal for mercedes. that is the mercedes. now over this way there is a brand new cadillac cts. this is an all-knew vehicle from the ground up this is the world debut of this particular vehicle. this is the centerpiece of cadillac's line. this is the backbone of cadillac. up class vehicle designed to compete with the european larger cars, the bmws, the mercedeses. it has a communications center, cadillac user experience. operates sort of like an ipad. you touch it and can control the phone and your stereo. it is, it's pretty good. pretty cool, alisyn. i think i like it. alisyn: i bet you do like it, rick. here's the thing, when you have an ipad mounted on the dashboard doesn't that cause some driver distraction with people plugging things in and checking out the screen and playing on it?

>> reporter: yeah. you know you would think that it would. and i asked that question and what cadillac says, it is better not to have the phone in your hand but built into the car. the let me bring in david caldwell here of cadillac. explain to the viewers how you're not a distracted driver when you have a ipad basically on your dashboard. >> it is a great question. the most distracting thing is a driver who is playing with their phone. what we're doing with our technical approach with cadillac cue is we're telling them to put your phone away, for goodness sakes. we'll take the music and communications technology off the phone and channel it to the car. >> reporter: alisyn, though said you can see the display in the windshield while you're driving. that makes it easier. alisyn: that helps. we'll see what happens after you test drive some of these at some point. >> reporter: for sure. bill: sound like rick left the key in there. alisyn: i was getting that. bill: but you're right about distraction, do you look over here? do you look at the road.

alisyn: i don't know. makes me nervous when people are playing with gadgets. i don't know. maybe they figured it out. bill: a major shift in support for the proposed keystone pipeline. what's behind this change? we're going to talk to a key lawmaker. he has been hot on the issue for years. he is coming up. alisyn: meet the lucky man who hit the $338 million jackpot. guess what his plans are for all that money? ♪ . so... [ gasps ]

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alisyn: the tide could be turning in washington regarding the keystone pipeline. 17 democrats voting in favor of the plan. six are changing their minds to support it. our next guest supports the pipeline. ohio congressman bill johnson is republican and member of the house energy and commerce committee. good morning, congressman. >> good morning, alisyn, how are you? alisyn: i'm well. has the tide shifted in washington and are we close to seeing the keystone pipeline a reality? >> we sternly hope so. this vote by the senate is important and two weeks ago the president, when he came over to visit with us in the republican-led house he acknowledged that the environmental concerns over the keystone xl pipeline had

been overexaggerated. there's no reason why this project should not go forward. it's the right thing to do for america's energy independence and security. 70% of the americans say that we need to do this. alisyn: well, tell us a little bit more about that meeting with president obama because that seems to hold the key to the future. it was a closed-door meeting. so we have relied on reports from those inside. what we heard the president expressed two main concerns. primarily that, it wouldn't produce as many of, full-time jobs as previously promised and that much of the oil would likely be deported. did he talk about those things? >> well, he did, that is the same president that said, you know, since he came into office that we have had decreases in the deficit every year also. so we're not really sure what kind of calculator the president is using to determine deficits nor job creation. transcanada has estimated there are going to be putting about $7 billion into the construction of

this pipeline. that's going going to create approximately 20,000 direct jobs. estimates are over 100,000 indirect jobs. the and as far as the oil being exported, you know it is going to transport some, over 800,000 barrels of oil a day from a friendly neighbor. that is over half the amount that, that we import from the middle east. and it is going to be refined in, in american refineries and we're going to be sending that oil and selling it to friendly countries, instead of it going to china, who is trying to compete for our jobs right here at home. so there's lot of reasons why this is the right thing to do and those issues were expressed to the president when he came to visit with us. alisyn: you know, congressman, the numbers for how many jobs it will create have been fluctuating, according to the latest report from the keystone

xl.com website, keystone itself, they said 9,000 permanent jobs. environmental act it activists say -- activists to guaranty the safety of this thing. they worry about the aquifer. that somehow the pipeline could end up polluting the shallow water table beneath it. are you confident it is safe? >> i'm certainly confident of that. the president even acknowledged when he came to visit with us again, that he said that the environmental concerns had been overstated. i'm certain that opponents of a fossil fuels and our use of fossil fuels will use any argue meant that they can and arguing about, you know, how many jobs will be created, the ish issues is the opportunity to create thousand thousands of new jobs. that is not a small number. the labor organizations are behind this effort.

over 70% of americans are behind this effort. the states through which the pipeline is going to run is behind this effort. it seems the only person now that the senate has approved it, the only person that is standing in the way is the president of the united states and i'm hoping that he sees the reason to go forward. alisyn: let me back up what you said about the american public supporting it. in our latest "fox news poll", we asked about the keystone pipeline and the number had gone up when we asked months ago. it is at 70%. perhaps we show you this, 70% of the registered voters say yes, they do support the keystone pipeline. that is a year ago. basically was 67%. the tide seems to be shifting in terms of public support going up as well. basically the president, in "the wall street journal" today was pointed out that the president's position has evolved on something as big as gay marriage. he said that you know, he now feels differently than he did in his first term. do you think now that he is in his second term his

position will evolve on the keystone pipeline as well? >> well i certainly hope so. he has said numerous times that heñ all of the above energy policy. now, or an energy vision. his policies in the epa and the department of interior and the department of energy would indicate otherwise because the agencies that fall under his direct control have not been supportive of a real all of the above energy vision. he has an opportunity to do what the american people asked him to do, what the senate has now confirmed as the right thing to do. let's move forward with creating american jobs, moving america closer to energy independence and security and making us less reliable on middle eastern oil. alisyn: congressman bill johnson, thanks so much for coming in with your perspective. bill: so now we know the winner of that $338 million jackpot, claiming

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alisyn: sparks flying in a wild high-speed police chase. this happened outside of dallas. police in hot pursuit of a man wanted on child sex abuse charges. the man in a pickup pulling a trailer leading police for an hour and a half. the chase came to an end

with the truck slamming into a concrete mead yawn. bill: pretty dramatic at night. sparks fly. fib will be investigating after a deadly virus has gone missing an missing from a well-known medical lab here houston, texas. one of five vials disappearing after last being used in november. the cdc is warning the public about this venezuelan virus. adults who contract it could have a mortality rate as high as 33%. the virus causes hemorraghic fever in humans, with high fevers, fatigue and possible bleeding. the virus is rarely spread from person-to-person how much concern is there? bill gavin, former chief executive for the fbi in new york, miami, denver. president of the gavin group. live in boston. good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: could this be a case of bioterrorism? does it fit that? >> that is always a possibility. that is one of the reasons why the fbi would become

involved in the early early stages of an investigation such as this, just to make sure that they don't have to play catch-up ball if this should prove to be a case of bioterrorism. bill: how do you figure out whether it was stolen, misplaced or simply thrown away? >> well, i think, there should be protocols in place for all these bio labs throughout the country although they're not universal protocols. there should be enough protocol in place for the following of who touched this, for its storage. for its utilization. for its transport. all of these things have to be accounted for, and, probably during the course of the investigation to look at every piece of paper to see when it was last touched and who touched it and start from there. bill: like a fingerprint, right? like following that path. i'm told there has been refered to the fbi. why would the fbi be involved in this if it were not considered serious? >> well, the fbi could be involved from the standpoint

of if the, virus itself belongs to cdc, and that's part of the government, any theft of government property is a violation for which the bureau has jurisdiction. that could also serve as a way for the bureau to enter into this case but i think the more important thing is the thought or threat perhaps of bioterrorism. bill: i know you're not familiar with this particular lab in texas but you do have experience with these labs across the country. what do we need to understand? >> i think what we need to understand these labs all have a little bit different protocol and there is no universal way of looking at these labs from the government's standpoint, bill and that's, can be very dangerous in and of itself. gao recently did a report pushing, suggesting to the white house to, their committees, that you really need to have some universal way of looking at every single one of these laboratories, not only in terms how they handle things, how they build, how secure

they are, all of those particular things that go into all of these biolabs that are all over the country. bill: on that point, when it comes to security how secure are they? >> i think they're probably pretty secure, bill, and there is every indication in this particular case that perhaps it was just sloppy handling of this vial of the virus, but one never knows until we unpeel the onion and look at every single thing that took place. bill: there was a scientist worked wit the particular virus. may have been one person. there is suggestion he may have accidentally thrown the vial away back in november. you know -- something this critical, is that possible? >> it's possible because we deal with human beings. you could have the tightest rules and regulations, bill, you could have all the good protocols for things that make this safe but in the bottom line is, if you have some sloppy procedures and if somebody just accidentally threw this vial

away, that's a scary situation. bill: indeed it is. bill gavin, thank you. we're on the story. talking about it all week long. trying to figure out in the end how you solve this mystery. perhaps we will very soon. bill gavin, thank you very much, out of boston with us again today. apparently this is very active in rats and can spread very quickly and kill a unaboutp of rats but this lab in houston, texas, this is one of the best we have in the country. it handles some of the most dangerous viruses you could probably get your hands on. alisyn: i don't like hearing hemorraghic fever. that's all i know. we'll find out more for you. meanwhile general david petraeus speaking publicly since resigning from the cia amid scandal. the four-star general on america's future. bill: debt ticking up by the second as lawmakers in washington try and pass a budget but did you know there are millions of our tax dollars just sitting there unused? so we're trying to figure out where the money is evident withing away. >> this is a problem that's been identified for years

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bill: there is a nationwide ammunition shortage affecting police officers. the arizona force say they have been forced to cut back on some crucial training because of it. >> the concern is that these crucial skills, if they start to lapse, you know it could translate into things we would see out on the street, officers getting in a shooting, if your proficiency goes down, you fire more round to try to hit what you're aiming at, okay? that's not a good thing from a risk management point. bill: the department says the backlog is so bad

they're still waiting for ammunition that was ordered six months ago. that is arizona now. alisyn: well, washington trying to find the dollars to balance the budget but did you know that your tax dollars may just be sitting there wasting away on vacant property? doug mckelway is live in washington with the latest in our series of what to cut. so, doug, can you explain what you mean by vacant property and how much of it is tied up? >>reporter: well, a lot is tied up a tremendous amount worth billions and billions of dollars. getting rid of this is easier said than done. we'll give you example of one property to give you an exam of how it works. until this sale this month to a developer there was steam plant in georgetown's pricey neighborhood that sat vacant for 10 years. only when the house committee on oversight dragged the administration officials into the musty old structure last summer that a

for sale sign finally went up. >> you can't get your job done. you have a 124 properties out of 14,000 properties. this is one property, that i don't care if it is republican or democrat administration, if this administration or previous administrations the job is not getting done. >> reporter: there are plentily between 55 and 77,000 vacant federal properties. no precise inventory has been actually kept. selling them off could save taxpayers, between 3 and $8 billion a year. >> these properties could be used, first, to consolidate agencies that are now in leased buildings. >> this is a problem that has been identified for years and every time someone in the white house says, let's sell property, it can't get through that process the red tape is simply too much for this process. >> reporter: here's the problem, back in 1987 congress passed a law that said unused government properties first have to be offered to other federal

agencies, to state agencies and then indian tribes, and last resort used as homeless shelters before they are put on the market. that pretty much explains it. alisyn: or does it, doug? 3 to $8 billion a year could be saved for taxpayers if this 1987 legislation that you're talking about were, i don't know, undone, rewritten. is there anything that can be done? >> reporter: several bills to ex-pa died the -- expedite to sale of all excess properties died in the last congress. another bill was resurrected in this year's congress in the paul ryan budget. the senate as you know voted the paul ryan budget down. government oversight reform committee passed a bill, i spoke to eleanor holmes norton about this, she seems this is confident that will pass in the senate as well and will be reconciled and will make it into law. perhaps some of those buildings will be let go finally, alisyn. alisyn: that would be nice. doug mckelway, thanks. >> reporter: okay. alisyn: to figure out your taxpayer share of this program we're talking about,

log on to foxnews.com,/your money, and i'm betting you may be annoyed after doing that calculation. bill: you might be in the 80% angry at the government now. it is a fascinating series. alisyn: it is. bill: when you think about 3.5, $3.7 trillion spending every year you will find countless examples. alisyn: it will break it down to put it in real dollars and cents. that helps. bill: once the sequestration got into the bloodstream of america, all this attention, wow we're really spending that much money on this, that and the other. when cameras go walking into empty buildings, we're finding out what we're pay to lease that space, it is stunning. alisyn: we're paying attention. bill: more on this. the u.s. military is sending crisis response teams to the middle east, this more than six months after the deadly attack in benghazi, libya. we'll tell you what is happening on that. alisyn: the u.s. immigration debate is heating up as four members of the senate

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bill: whole new hour, 10:00 a.m. here in new york city. good morning, everybody. president obama stepping up on congress to move an immigration deal. talking with immigration with two spanish television stations to push some of his ideas. welcome to brand new hour of "america's newsroom." i'm bill hemmer. martha is out this week with her family. alisyn: i'm great bill. i'm alisyn camerota. the so-called gang of eight take a tour of the arizona-mexico border. arizona republicans john mccain and jeff flake hosting michael bennet. saying that it could have a positive effect on negotiations. byron york, chief political correspondent for the "washington examiner" and fox news contributor. he joins us now. hi, byron. >> hi, alisyn. alisyn: how could the trip to the u.s.-mexican border

have any positive effect on any negotiations today? >> we're getting kind of conflicted signals the progress of the gang of eight actually is. charles schumer, one. democrats who will be in arizona today, said very optimistic things, saying we're moving along, moving along making a lot of progress, but senator john mccain of arizona, also there today, said at a town hall in arizona on monday they're still is disagreement on things and they might not reach an agreement certainly not anytime in the next couple weeks. alisyn: yeah. >> so we're getting conflicting signals about how much progress is being made in those secret gang of eight negotiations. alisyn: here is what we hear trickling out from the negotiations. the republicans say as precondition to moving forward with any sort of immigration reform the border must be secure. in fact the border must be proven to be secure. as you know with this 2000-mile border we share with mexico, some experts said it is virtually impossible to prove that. that it would be secure.

so where does that leave us? >> this could be a huge issue, all of the republicans are insisting that border security be a so-called trigger. it has to happen before there is any pathway to citizenship. janet napolitano, the secretary of homeland security, was at a reporters breakfast yesterday, asked about that. she said no, should not be. can't be a trigger. and at the white house, jay carney, the spokesman, kind of talked around the issue but actually came down pretty much on the napolitano's side. so you have republicans on one hand demanding that border security, enhanced border security, proveable border security be a trigger for any immigration reform? and the white house and the department of homeland security saying, well the border is already secure and there shouldn't be any single trigger to something like that. could be a big disagreement. alisyn: this is a classic catch 22. they are at loggerheads about this. in fact secretary napolitano went on to say that it is as secure as it's ever been.

i believe she may have said even more secure than it's ever been. and the administration has doubled the number of border agents. so again the administration feels they have done their part in terms of securing the border. it is not perfect but sound like they think its as perfect as it ever can be. is this somehow republicans way of setting up something so impossible that they never have to agree to immigration reform? >> well, it could work both ways. we're not sure, if either side is absolutely sold on getting an agreement. i spoke to a spokesman for marco rubio, the republican who is kind of taking a lead in the gang of eight negotiations who insisted again that senator rubio will insist on tough border security measures before any sort of agreement and now there's speculation that they will come up with some sort of a, you know, kibuki agreement that doesn't really enhance border security but the republicans are saying and we don't have any reason not to believe them right now, that they will insist on tougher

measures. the problem is we know the administration does not place a high priority on this issue as part of immigration reform. alisyn: we know what marco rubio's suggestions for tougher measures are for those security triggers. do we know what he is asking for? >> that is a great question. the answer is no. they have not spoken in detail publicly about what enhanced border security really means and what a secure border actually is. presumably that has been going on inside the gang of 8. we had a discouraging bit of news at a house homeland security meeting in which the administration has gotten rid of an old standard called operational control of the border. said they were going to come up with a new way of measuring border security, called the border condition index. last week at a house hearing they revealed, one, it is not ready after three years of working, and two, it won't measure border security. that really stun ad lot of republicans who were listening. alisyn: i bet. we know president obama is sitting down with telemundo,

the spanish speaking networks. we'll see if any news comes out of that. >> thank you, alisyn. bill: 98% of the all illegal aliens caught sneaking into the country get caught on the boardwer mexico. six in 10 illegals in the u.s. were born in mexico. over the past five years or so, border agents picked up 2 1/2 million people trying to cross the southwestern border. alisyn: as the senators head to the border we're learning about cuts to border patrol. we're live with the potential impact that this move could have on security. bill: just picking up on what byron was talking about there. you get the sense that immigration reform is moving forward on democrats and republicans, on both behalfs, but this issue of border security is a big one. nobody has been able to define what secure borders means. alisyn: it is a huge undertaking. it sounds like they're very far apart in terms of their definition. we bring even republican lawmakers on the air.

define what you mean. how many agents do you need down there. how many crossings were allowed versus how many would you accept and that seems to be a bit elusive. alisyn: we'll stay on that. bill: five minutes past the hour. we're moving to general david petraeus who is now public for the first time in months making his first speech since admitting an affair and resigning as head of the cia. peter doocy is in washington on this. what did the general have to say here, peter? >> he never name dropped paula broadwell or specifically mentioned their affair but very near the top of his speech he read aloud some prepared remarks a vague explanation what happened and he said, he's sorry. >> please allow me to begin my remarks this evening how reiterating how deeply i regret and apologize for the circumstances that led to my resignation from the cia and caused such pain for my family, friend, and

supporters. >> reporter: the only time general petraeus mentioned his wife, holly, he told a story about a 2006 drive through massachusetts after visiting their son at mit when the couple discussed steady public support for deployed troops despite waning public support for the war at the time. bill? alisyn: peter, --. bill: peter, how was he received the general in this speech? >> reporter: with a standing ovation. general petraeus was speaking at usc in los angeles. the crowd was made up of rotc, vets and supporters and laughed when he joked about the usc-ucla rivalry and applauded when he talked about protecting the post 9/11 generation of veterans. toward the end of his speech he thanked everyone for their support and he wants his story to be a cautionary tale. >> perhaps my experience can be truct tiff to others who stumble or indeed fall as far as i did. one learns after all that life doesn't stop with such

a mistake. it can and must go on. and the effort to move forward over the rocky path of one's own making is vital, inescapable and ultimately worth it. >> reporter: general petraeus was not just on campus to give a speech. he said he joined rotc cadets for some physical training earlier in the dave and he says he ran four sets of stairs at the l.a. coliseum. bill? bill: that's what he does. that guy runs and runs. thank you, peter. peter doocy. alisyn. alisyn: three people were arrested in southern france in connection with a deadly terror attack in the city of toulouse last year. they were linked to islamic terrorists that killed seven people including a rabbi and three jewish schoolchildren. this comes day as of the french president said it is tightening its intelligence gathering to prevent further terror attacks. bill: tensions in korea between the south and north

again. planning to cut off the military joint hotline with that country. that hotline is critical because the koreans use it to communicate. hundreds of workers travel back and forth on regular basis to run the industrial complex in the southern part of north korea. they unleased a torrent of threats against the south an u.s. angry over military drills and recent u.n. sanctions. got some breaking news now. want to take you to the high court. look at the crowd that is assembled for a second day on the steps of the u.s. supreme court. today now is a bit different from yesterday. today the justices will hear arguments on the defense of marriage act. that was the law signed by president bill clinton in 1996, that essentially defines marriage in america as between a man and a woman. so the soup preems will hear arguments on both sides in a matter of moments. this is the day after they heard arguments on proposition 8 which came out of the state of california.

so two separate yet related issues happening at the court in back it back days. alisyn: obviously an historic week there. all the people gather on the steps to get a front row seat on history there. we'll keep you posted. meanwhile a few of many stories we're covering this hour. she was acquitted of killing her college roommate while studying abroad in italy. an italian judge is ordering a retrial for amanda knox but can she be forced to leave the u.s.? a lawyer that worked on amanda knox case joins us live. bill: a lawyer asking for the government with extra help for the new health care law. what they say they need to know. alisyn: and the new steps the pentagon is taking to prevent future attacks on our diplomats overseas. >> back here in the main residence, the special agent, reportedly david ubben, comes here and gets ambassador stevens from his bedroom and brings him along with sean smith to the room in the safe haven. aside from medicine, other supplies, a big, dark,

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bill: an suv plowing through a strip mall. check it out now. the vehicle crashed through the front window of a taylor shop in a sacramento strip mall kept on going. it went through two walls and three businesses before it stopped. >> i heard a boom sound like, there were huge noises, boom. >> i saw that the car jumped from the parking lot. it jumped inside and two seconds, one second. bill: a person or mannequin at the desk there? no one was hurt though. elderly driver said she hit the gas instead of the brake. that will do it. alisyn: well, new reports that the u.s. military is sending marine corps crisis response teams or at least considering that, to the middle east. they would be stationed on navy ships in the region and this move follows fierce criticism of the white house and its handling of the terror attack on our

consulate in benghazi, libya, on september 11th. stephen yates is ceo of dc national advisory and former deputy assistant to the vice president for national security affairs, dick cheney. hi, steven? >> hi. good to be with you, alisyn. alisyn: explain to us the thinking here. if this special corps of special-ops guys were stationed somewhere close to the middle east or in theast the of september 11th and what happened there in benghazi could have been different? >> i have my doubts whether it would have been different but that is the thinking behind this proposal it appears. we often have adjustments to our military force posture and other things looking at the last crisis, the last war, et cetera. this fits that pattern but these ships have extremely scarce real estate. one has to wonder what they would displace. if you're going to make room even for a small number of people. there are the problems of benghazi that really didn't have to do with the force capabilities. there is civilian leadership

decision-making that could be muddle didded or slow. you have to ask why are we spending money on a shrinking navy when there are really land-based tar -- targets in relatively small number of troubled areas that need security on scene? alisyn: furthermore, we have these things called fast teams. the fleet anti-terrorism security teams. those were alerted the night of september 11th. they didn't make it in time. when leon panetta testified in congress he explained they couldn't be scrambled fast enough. they were too far away to make it in time to help in benghazi. so how would these special-ops groups be different than the fast teams? >> that is exactly right. there is no guaranty we will ever have the right mix of the right forces deployed in all locations. but would you like to think getting back to the issue of civilian decision making when you're looking at an anniversary like 9/11 you wouldn't necessarily be

equally deployed across all theaters. if you look at a few war zones, you might think that added in-country on land forces would be more critical. we have issues of sending forces into sovereign countries t violates their airspace and could be perceived as a act of war. you have to have things on the ground prior to the need for this. i understand the desire. it may seem like it's a good idea on paper. i'm just not convinced it would have really changed the outcome on that terrible day. alisyn: as we understand it from our own reporters from the pentagon, that night the request for backup never made it to the military. it somewhere it faltered somewhere in the chain of company manned at the cia so it wouldn't have mattered had a special-ops team been right next door? >> absolutely right. i mean these kind of tragedies of course have many, many elements to them. and the military capability and where it would deploy from potentially is but one of those considerations but

the communication across agencies, the communication out of country, back to washington, and then the leadership and communication among leaders was i think the most profound breakdown and this change wouldn't alter that calculus at all. alisyn: so, stephen, what would have mattered? what would have made a difference and saved the lives of the four americans that night in benghazi? >> i first confess always easier for someone like me to look back, say, given what happened here is what could have helped. even with that humility you would think with a significant anniversary like september 11th, in a country like libya where a war had been going on and a broader regional instability was spreading, that it would have been reasonable to increase the protective forces for our ambassador and any of our capabilities that were in-country. there in a few number of other countries that were affected at that point. it is inconceivable to me why those preparations weren't done in advance and

why communication wasn't better and decision-making faster that day, even if we couldn't have saved their lives. alisyn: in fact we do know that ambassador chris stevens had sent back messages and alert saying the security system around him there was deteriorating he felt. stephen yates, thanks so much for your insight into this. it always helps. >> thank you, alisyn. bill: i was with these marines, the marine expeditionary unit which this discussion involves here in afghanistan when they first went into kandahar in 2001 and they are, they are so capable and so qualified, that they're the kind of guys you need on those ships in the mediterranean if you need an emergency. alisyn: that is very comforting. sound if they haven't decided if they will do the plan they will have war games next month to see it work. bill: we'll follow it then. there is a mysterious death on a cruise ship. launching a special investigation. why the feds are getting involved here. we'll give you the clues on that. alisyn: plus the search expand for a missing brown university student.

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alisyn: nasa's curiosity rover is up and running after being sidelined for more than a week because of a computer glitch. its ultimate goal is to uncover whether mars was ever capable of supporting micro -- micro biel life. you have to warn me about these things, bill. so far the car-sized rover has uncovered a boulder containing evidence of wate water-bearing minerals and is currently trying to analyze the chemical makeup

of a mud stone rock. bill: you knew that though? alisyn: i knew the mud stone rock. bill: what is amazing not only can we communicate with this thing up on mars but when it gets into a jam and have to reboot the thing it starts running again. alisyn: that is remarkable. it would be more remarkable if it brought back a picture of a martian. bill: then we would have something to say. the fbi is joining the growing search for a missing ivy league student. yesterday here on our program his family explained why investigators are looking all over in four different states in the northeast. >> there are friends and family in all of the northeast and that's the main reason why the search has expanded. providence is a very small town and we have not found him yet here. so we're looking everywhere. bill: christopher voss, a former fbi special agent and managing director with insight security with me now. chris, good morning to you. welcome back to our program here. you put the facts together here. this young man missing. there is a search in boston,

connecticut, new york city, philadelphia. put it together for us. how do you analyze it? >> well, the initial indicators are that it's quite possible that he may have harmed himself. i mean there is some other possibilities that are there. but this is a first one that comes to mind. and, unfortunately, things like this can often disguise themselves because people are in this mind set and the last time frame before, after they made the decision but before they may have done something to hurt themselves. they actually appeared to be relieved because the stress has been relieved, been removed from their shoulders. it is very hard for family and friends close to them to see that this is coming. bill: he left his wallet and credit cards and note. that was not addressed to anyone in particular. i'm assuming that that is upon which you're basing that answer? >> yeah. the fact that there's a note. the fact that it is being reported that he was troubled. he had some conversations

late at night, text messages, the night before. he was communicating with people. and the people close to him may very well have missed what was going on with him because he had made the decision. so there are a lot of little things there that point in this direction and for what the family's going through now it's a horrifying time for them because they just don't know. bill: that certainly is. let's hope that is not the case. what the family wants is all the surveillance video from businesses in the area. how would that help? >> well, it would lead to some clues to give an indicator which way he may have gone should some sort of external harm has befallen him. they would have a specific idea where to look. one way or another they are looking for a trail to find out what happened to him. even on the outside chance he wanted to get away from everyone, be left alone, they need to know where to look and those sorts of things could help. bill: is there a suggestion in these businesses in providence, rhode island they're not willing to

cooperate? why not help out the family? >> well, i haven't seen any indicators that the businesses are not cooperating and this is clearly a story, it appears that the community is rallying around this family and the student community is rallying so i would think that they would be able to get the cooperation and the help from the local businesses. bill: and one more point on all that though. how critical do you see it when the family is out there publicly trying to make sure that the message gets out? >> well i think that's a good idea. i think it helps. it is very difficult, first of all, for the family to sit on the sideline and do nothing. it's their way it become involved and to try to gain some influence and some control over what again is a horrifying situation for them. bill: listening to his sister yesterday it really breaks your heart to try to put yourself in their shoes and try and understand what they're going through. best advice in a moment like there from somebody whose dealt with this is what, christopher? >> well, they probably have done everything they can at this moment. they should, the authorities

are supporting them. i mean reach out to your own internal support structure systems. talk with each other and realize, that up to this point you have done everything you can and the rest of it is in the hands of fate or whatever powers that be you believe in. bill: yeah. we give them our prayers and best. thank you, sir. christopher voss with us on that. >> thank you, bill. bill: 27 past the hour now. here is alisyn. alisyn: cuts to the border patrol. what the agency is doing that could leave hundreds of miles of our border with mexico unprotected. bill: she was accused of killing her college roommate in italy. can she be forced to return to her country for a second trial? a lawyer that has worked with her and her family will join us live in moments. >> we went through this already. we don't know exactly, else can be discussed in this case but we we will see. look what mommy is having.

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alisyn fox news has learned that border patrol will slash workers hours because of the sequester. the union says it will leave large portions of the border unguarded. this comes even after the agency reportedly was given enough money to cover those salaries. fox' william la jeunesse joins us live from los angeles. william, how will this affect border security? >> reporter: when you think about trimming the bloated budget the last place most americans want to cut is at the

border. yet because of a $250 million shortfall we are told the border is about to become 25% less secure. agents will no longer work a full ten-hour shift, there by leaving the border open, unattended, naked for up to two hours at a time during each shift change. now, perhaps up to eight hours a day in some areas. that's because washington is eliminating over time. let me explain what that means. most agents don't live on the border. from their headquarters in city like tucson and san diego where they pick up their patrol unit or suv they drive one to two hours to reach the border. thenheir eight-hour shift. effective april 7th there will be no over time or drive time. instead they will work as little as five years actually on the border. once they leave their post the border will be naked or unattended until their replacement arrives two hours later. last night an agent told me we are 25% more vulnerable.

case in point a drone or surveillance camera picks up a load of illegals, instead of tracking them into your over time pay when our five hours is up you're over there. your replacement may try to pick up the trail but an hour or two later i can tell you they are gone, that is the problem. alisyn is it true that the agency was given enough money to cover salaries but it sound like you're saying not for over time. and so what does this mean for the agents? >> well, that is a point of contention. many agents say there is the money and they feel some of this is being done intentionally. negotiations are still underway with the union right now. but for the agents this means a 25% pay cut. over time is part of their pay package. the border patrol actually advertised it that way. for most line agents they use this every day, and officially it's known as auo or administratively uncontrolled over time. for these guys many with young families they are telling

chaplin answer supervisors, we are going to lose our house or car because of this. we'll have a spokesman on coming up in "happening now," and he says this effectively means a cut of about 4,000 agents across the border. back to you. alisyn we will tune in for that interview, william la jeunesse, thanks. bill: new information this morning about amanda knox. will she be sent back to italy? that country's highest court ordering a new trial for the murder of her roommate. knox and her ex-boyfriend's murder convictions were thrown out in 2011. after spending four years in an italian jail this is now amanda knox reacted. >> what's important for me to say is just thank you to everyone who has believed in me, who has defended me, who has supported my family. i just want my family is the

most important thing to me right now and i just want to go and be with them. bill: now a year and a half later will this be repeated? we have the council and spokesperson for the friend of amanda knox and she knows the family well. good morning to you live there in seattle washington. give us an idea what amanda knox has been doing for the past year and a half. >> after she made that statement, bill all the press here said they would give her her privacy, let her spend time with her family. she's been given that here in seattle. she its going to the university of washington where she had been before she went to italy and before all the trials, et cetera. she has a boyfriend. she was just trying to move on and very quietly so until yesterday. bill: i know a lot of people were stunned. i think you were one of them who was stunned as well. >> yes. bill: when the news came down. what is the probability that she will go back to italy and face trial? >> i think it's relatively improbable. of course -- bill: improbable. >> improbable, excuse me.

i've worked on the case for a longtime, i've handled extraditions myself. a lot of lawyers have not. they are relatively rare in terms of anyone's practice. the reason being is the following. number one factually she i is inventory sent and the court already said that. is there enough evidence to take someone to another country against hire will? i think the ants is no. second double jeopardy. we have it, they don't. the fact is it's already double jeopardy to take her into another trial after she was acquitted that would never happen in the u.s. also there is the whole issue of criminal defamation there. we don't have criminal defamation here it's civil. it's under what is called the rule of specialty, duality. there would not be an extradition on that and human rights violations. that's been alleged for her statements given to the police under duress, force, without an interpreter, certified and without a lawyer, improbable. bill: two specific questions on the law, one regard with italian law, one with regard to our own law. i want to ask you about the

family and how she is doing, et cetera. i think you had contact with them about four weeks or a month ago. what changed based on evidence to allow the highest court in italy to rule this way? >> nothing may have changed. from what one of her lawyers in it rehas been saying it's procedural. and it's that the state was not allowed to test evidence on the de montesquiou appeal where the court had allowed independent experts to retest the evidence, those experts said it was come procee compromised, it was not admitted evidence. it may be procedural and not on the facts. bill: it seems tpheb lus nebulous. the u.s. government if it were to extradict one of its citizens would have to say yes, right? >> exactly, that has to happen in seattle with a judge in seattle after considering awful the evidence or lack of evidence and the other arguments that i just made. and so that's something that we've seen cases like polanski

who wasn't extradited from france, mastro an individual from seattle was not extradited from france. either was canada. they don't have the death penalty, they don't send people back to the us on a death penalty case, that has to be taken off of the table. amanda's case was extraordinary. bill: that's why you say it was improbable that she would go back. tell me about her family, how they reacted. we have one statement from her on the screen. what are you hearing from the family, ann? >> it's just devastating, he it's stunning, but amanda is strong. she'll keep her head held high. she knows the truth will set her free. the truth is on her side. she's already been acquitted. she's been through all of this. she can go through more of this with a lot of strength, and strength from her family.

she has a wonderful family, they've been very supportive. they've spend over a million dollars in fees, they spent time to be with her in italy always. they'll move forward with dignity but also they want to clear her name and they'll keep doing that until it happens. bill: it's an amazing twist again. ann, thank you live in seattle. alisyn a much lighter note we have good advice for singles who happen to be frequent flyers. there is a website now explaining which airports are best for meeting your soulmate. if you're delayed on the west coast los angeles international is apparently the best place to meet. it surveyed 70,000 members. overall if you're delayed you want to be in the east, the east coast has the worst weather, the longest delays, and the best restaurants and bars apparently. that means single travelers have more time to mingle. a silver lining for airport delays. bill: there is a website for

this? alisyn yes. bill: how many people do you know, they meet a partner on an airplane and they get married? it happens. alisyn zero. i know people who have met people and struck up a flirtation, i don't know if they've got even married. bill: i do, i know several people. dana perrino is one of them, true story. alisyn that's right. bill: i bring you the truth here kid. new video of the unimaginable, look at the door on your screen, all right. a baby left behind at a train station. alisyn no. bill: she's okay. we'll tell you why and how this all plays out. alisyn a new hurdle in the president's healthcare law. why employers are now asking the administration for financial help. what they say they need.

bill: watch this a mom and grandma in philadelphia stopping at a train station with a baby stroller. one walks through, the other turns around and walks away, leaving the baby behind literally. those people in the station could not believe it. >> there is no way in the world you sit there and you forget that you don't have a baby with you in a stroller. you didn't forget how to make it you shouldn't forget how to leave a baby behind. >> somebody supposed to say, you got her? i got her, you got her. bill: that's the quote of the day. the women were trying to avoid paying the train fare. they realized the mistake were reunited with the child and no charges have been filed. alisyn: a new battle over the president's healthcare law. employers nationwide are now asking the obama administration to grant them specialee leaf this those states that are rejecting federal medicaid

dollars promised upped the healthcare law, which means that many employers in those states will face new healthcare costs. joining us to debate is the ceo of vital springs technologies and fox business network's liz mcdonnell. laid doe and gentleman thanks so much for being here, i appreciate it. let me start with you. explain what the problems are here. there are 14 states rejecting the medicaid dollars. now employers in this state feel they will be holding the bag somehow. >> that's right the way the law is written, the employers if their people that work for them go and buy health insurance on the state insurance exchanges, the federal government will step in and help build the health exchanges anyway in the 14 states that have reject egd the medicaid money for them and other money for them. they say the workers if they go to those exchanges their companies may have to pay a fine. we've got the u.s. chamber of commerce saying, wait a second we need to get our businesses

exempt under the health reform law from having to pay foes fines for those workers who go and buy insurance and coverage under the state exchanges, just like there are other exchanges in the law. alisyn: dr. p what does it mean for doctors in the state as well as small business owners. >> small business owners and even big business owners are getting crushed. every week we are finding a new loophole in obama care that is raising the costs for employers. ten days ago they found out they had to may a fine of $65 per employee in order to subject satisfactory diesub satisfactory dic subsidize insurance state prison. there will be a massive upheaval about their ability to absorb that. from a doctor's perspective i think irrespective of what the employers are doing, you know, the doctors are continually getting crushed right now, in terms of reduced reimbursement,

insurance companies are narrowing the networks, and the number of doctors that they are going to include, so that also many doctors are becoming employees of healthcare systems today, so that the entire shift in the way medicine is being practiced is changing overnight. alisyn: liz, the rational that some are using for how to become exempt in these 14 states is that poor people in these 14 states are exempt because they don't have to pay for the individual mandate. so they are saying, why not struggling businesses? can't they use that same rationale, can't they get an exemption if poor people can. >> it's a pretty strong argument. we've seen a number of exemptions given already that are expiring for restaurants that offered cheap insurance company. for plans that are out loud under the new health reform law they had a time period to get rid of the plans and offer

better coverage. if the administration does say yes we'll give even more exemptions that weakens the force and credibility of the law at a time when the cbo is saying you know what health premiums will go up across the country an average 10 to 13% on health insurance premiums. they need the health insurance exchanges to work. if the young say to themselves, you know what we see our premiums going up even more than older people, which is what is expected then they are going to say we'll pay the penalty and not get insurance at all. and that means the insurance exchanges could fail because you have the sicker and the elderly in it. you need the pool of younger workers in there. alisyn: dr. p is it possible because of things like this that obama care will just sort of exepl itself into oblivion? >> i think we're seeing that already in terms of month-by-month. there are a number of warning factors.

number of one is that the exchanges that have to be up and running by october 1st are far from that. the cost for putting the exchanges up is absolutely underestimated. the states haven't yet quite figured out how to do that. sewer seeing a number of new regulations in terms of what employers have to pay. the writing is on the wall that the price tag for obama care is completely erroneous from what we've been told, and i think that the obama administration is now trying to defer the implementation so that the end result and the failures of that don't reflect in either the midterm or the next election. so we need to watch that very carefully. alisyn: doctor, liz mcdonnell thanks so much for coming in to explain it to us. bill: we are standing by for jon scott who is standing by for "happening now." what is going on, jon? good morning. jon: good morning, bill. the supreme court hearing oral arguments right now in yet another same-sex marriage case. the outcome in these landmark

cases could reshape society and american politics as we know it. karl rove joins us with that. plus, north korea dials up the belligerence meter once again cutting off a key military hotline to south korea, warning that war could break out at any moment. ambassador bolton weighs in with his thoughts. defense lawyers in the jodi arias murder trial attack the victim again this time throwing travis alexander's family into the mix. will this strategy save her life or backfire big time. we have a legal panel to join us. it is all "happening now." bill: amazing that trial is still going on. jon: it's a long one. bill: see you at the too much the hour. a mysterious death on a cruise ship. an ongoing investigation on a luxury liner we'll tell you what that is about. run a red light, get a ticket. lawmakse traffic cameras for something entirely different. ♪ stop in the name of love before you break my heart.

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alisyn: the fbi is investigating a suspicious death of a passenger aboard a royal caribbean cruise shift. a husband said he found his of 4-year-old wife dead in a cabin open inch chantment of the sea after a six bay trip to the bahamass. federal agents are questioning the husband and other passengers. bill: ever slam on the brakes and avoid a ticket at one of those red light camera stops. you know when it's almost too late and you see it. there is one state looking to do more than just fine you for run the light, and what they want to use the video for is causing

controversy. dan springer is live on this in seattle. >> reporter: in many states these states only agreed to have red light cameras installed if they would be used for traffic enforcement only. that was to appease privacy groups that warned about big brother putting up cameras everywhere. they have helped local governments collect millions of dollars. there are over 200 in washington state plus speed and toll cameras. a bill has cleared the state house that would allow the police to ask a judge for a search warrant to look at the traffic cam video in criminal cases. they call it mission creek. >> when red light cameras were put up it was with very clear understanding to the public that this would just be for traffic enforcement. there was a lot of concern that we not start building the infrastructure of a surveillance society. >> reporter: 25 states have red light cameras, five of them are like washington which currently restricts their use to traffic

enforcement only. bill: what about the states that allow police access then, dan? >> reporter: well, they have helped solve some crimes, in fact there was a cattle wrestler bust ned florida, a car thief in colorado and a hit-and-run killer caught on tape in arizona. in each case the tape made the difference. seattle cops believe they could have solved a a murder in downtown seattle if they had access to the video. all they have is poor footage with no license plate. they say what you do in public is not private. seattle just sent the fed back two drones because of privacy concern. it is an issue over privacy and whether or not that big eye in the sky should be watching you at all times. bill: dan springer in seattle, thank you. alisyn: breaking news in cyprus, the new rules just put in place when the banks reopen and what that means for the markets here. this is so sick!

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