would-be criminal trying to throw something through a window of a grocery store after hours. but no luck. he falls over twice, trying to make his get away the first time and police don't have a lead yet because of the mask and the getup, but we have a laugh so we'll take that. >> i think he's drunk. >> thank you for joining us. >> "america live" starts right now. >> megyn: fox news alert. a new and disturbing threat directed at the united states today as north korea claims its rockets have been put on stand by and it's ready it to settle some score. prepared to launch at any moment an attack on the u.s. mainland, prepared, they say. welcome to "america live" everyone, i'm megyn kelly, this is just the lateness a series of threats from the reclusive regime. yesterday we told you how those threats triggered a show of force from our military when we sent b-52 bombers over the korean peninsula and

dropped inert munitions just off the south korea coast. in addition to the rhetoric from north korea be, which is not new he we should say. they do this all the time, but our secretary of defense is taking this seriously. we have now witnessed a chilling display from the north korean military and people. take a look. look at this. thousands of soldiers and students marching through the capital of pyongyang throwing their fists into the air and slogans mercilessly punishing aggressors. one banner reads u.s. army out. another says only death to those who dare to invade us. and while experts believe the north is years away from having a nuclear weapon capable of hitting the u.s., our government is taking the latest threats seriously as i mentioned. jennifer griffin is live at the pentagon, as they said it's not unusual to hear bellicose language from north

korea especially when it comes to the west or the united states, but it's chuck hagel's reaction that's gotten a lot of folks looking at this a little more seriously today. >> well, also don't forget, this is the first time that you've heard this extended provocation and rhetoric from the young kim jong-un. we've kind of heard this rhetoric before, but this is the longest period that we've seen this escalating tension with no end in sight. he we do into that china and russian are concerned and asking the u.s. and others to lower the rhetoric, lower the tension on the korean peninsula. we've received photos of kim jong-un making war plans, we're told, with his national security team shortly after midnight local time. kim jng you know signed orders that places north korean rocket forces on stand by. and the pentagon says they haven't seen any movement on that front yet. the animated state defgs announcer who said this quote, he finally signed the plan on technical preparations of

strategic rockets of the korean people's army, ordering them to be on stand by to fire so that they make strike anytime the u.s. mainland, its military bases in the operating operational theater, the pacific, guam-- >> and the north koreans seem to be headed in a different direction here. and so, we will unequivocally defend, we are unequivocally committed to that alliance with south korea. >> secretary hagel and the pentagon are taking the threat seriously. the b-2 bombers that flew 13,000 miles round trip from it the u.s., we're told, dropped inert 2000 pound bombs as part of the exercises with south korea. they can carry up to eight, 5,000 pound bombs, however, we've learned it's the first time the u.s. has ever sent b-2 bombers to the korean peninsula. this was not a pre-planned

flight, we're told, as part of the ongoing exercises with the south koreans. the pentagon made the decision he recently in light of of kim's new threats. this was designed to send a clear message to the young north korean leaders and the pentagon worries he's backing himself into a corner with his threats and state tv is playing martial music and u.s. diplomates say this rhetoric is higher than anything in the past under kim jong-un's father and grandfather. the possibility for miscalculation is huge. and the u.s. prepared a campaign plan which would have allowed the u.s. air force to destroy the entire north korean air force in 100 hours. retired generals say they could do it faster today. megyn. >> jennifer thank you. correct myself i said b-52 bombers, it's b-2 bombers. and context in north korea, it has over 1,000 short and

medium range missiles, as far as military strength goes the armed forces have approximately 1.3 million active personnel and the north has over 600 combat aircraft at its disposal. when it comes to life style, the north korean people are practically living in the dark ages. take a look at the nighttime image of the peninsula. south korea is lit up and not a lot around pyongyang. 17 times those of the north. developing right now, the white house responding to concerns over the epa's latest proposal to cut down on gas and automobile emissions. the epa says the new standard would achieve the same environmental impact as taking more than 30 million cars off the roads. for critics warn these rules could charge drivers at the gas pump at a time when the people don't have the money to spare. chris stirewalt is the host of

power play on fox nnews.com live. it's been no secret that president obama is focused on environmental issues and that the epa would be similarly focused, but right now, as the polls clearly show that the number one issue for americans is the economy and jobs, look at that. 41%, by far over the next closest issue, which is the budget and debt, you know, is this the time to be unrolling or unveiling a new environmental regulation that's going to cost people more at the gas pump? >> well, the irony, megyn, is that for the regulators here and for the president, the second term is great, in terms of doing stuff about global warming and other environmental causes that are very important to more affluent people and the president's political base, but if you don't start now, you can't have them in place, it takes so long to work through the bureaucracy, that if you don't start now, you

can't have them in place by the time you leave office, so if they're serious about dropping the boom on this stuff, they're going to have to start now and it happens at a super inconvenient time for the president politically. >> he they say that the white house says that the price of gas is going up less than a penny, but the oil industry says it could rise as much as 9 cents a gallon. the white house says this is going to save up to 2400 lives. that's interesting how they calculate it, but 2400 lives and 23,000 children may avoid respiratory illness as they slash smog and soot forming pollution over the next couple of decades. i mean, it's hard to challenge that because we don't know, you know, what's actually going to happen with these emissions, but you know, at what political price will this come for the president. people want clean air, but don't want high gas prices. >> here is the deal, people deal with the immediate concern in front of them and what they're facing first and

americans, the same middle class americans that president obama made his whole campaign about, when he was running against president obama, and he said he wanted to be a warrior for the middle class and fight for these people and those folks are feeling economically anxious and have seen their paycheck shrink, gas prices go up and health care and insurance gone up. take home pay is down and outlays are up. they are is he nervous, it's not a good time for the president who has seen his ratings approval, and it's not a good time to talk about why it's worth making gasoline for expensive when people are paying $72 a tank to fill up their cars. >> it's not just environmental issues, he's focused on gun control, on immigration reform, on gay marriage as of late, and you know, again, i look at that and it's all about jobs and the economy and so many people are still out there suffering, i mean, to what extent does that drive those dropping poll numbers we've seen for president

obama? >> oh, jeepers, here is how this works. if the president wants to actually defeat republicans in the mid terms, if he really wants legacy projects about global warming and gay marriage and gun control and things like that. if he fritters away his popularity, and his job approval as middle class americans who help return him to a second term and say he's neglecting them and leaving them behind and not paying attention to the concerns he had, the rest of that stuff goes by the boards anyway. it won't make any difference, if he can't keep a coalition. >> did you say jeepers crow. >> i said jeepers crow. >> megyn: what is jeepers crow? who heard of that? jeepers creepers, i've heard that, molly henneberg said. >> jeepers crow is a whole thing, it's a hightown and sophisticated terminology. >> megyn: i'll consult my friend mr. google on that one. thanks, chris, happy good friday and happy easter to you. >> happy easter. >> megyn: well, we're tracking a frightening health scare

today. have you heard about this? 7,000 oklahoma patience being urged now to get tested for hiv and hepatitis after public health inspectors discovered dirty and rusty instruments in the office this have dentist. that's not what you want to hear. the unsanitary conditions exposing thousands to the virus that causes aids. trace gallagher at the breaking news desk. this is a nightmare. >> it is, the oklahoma board of dentistry called it a perfect storm, wayne harington, is a medicaid provider, and has patients with hiv and hepatitis. and two, the breeding ground. a patient of the doctor tested positive for hiv and hepatitis and no known risk factors except for dental care. the board of dentistry did a

surprise inspection at the office and there were numerous violations, including using rusty instruments on patients with known infections. now, rust is a sign the instruments is pourous and cannot be sterilized. reusing needles, contaminating of course both the patients and the drugs, pouring bleach on wounds until the wounds turned white and allow unlicensed dental assistants to administer some of the medication, some was expired in the 1990's. here is the health department. >> the magnitude of these infractions in clinical practices and the unknown length of time that the practices may have occurred have prompted public health to begin systemic notification of dr. harrington's patients and recommend testing for hiv, hepatitis c, and hepatitis c viruses. >> 7,000 patients in all

notified, megyn, and told how to get tested. c.d.c. says it's rare for dental transmissions of hiv and hepatitis. last year a colorado dentist kind of had the same thing, 8,000 notified, none tested positive, but in this case we already have one positive test. >> megyn: oh, my goodness. >> so it could be much difference. >> megyn: what a nightmare. i mean, it's like so traumatic going to the dentist anyway, if your are' 're like me, you d want to see the tools. bad enough you can hear them and you're certainly not checking for rust, we were yesterday. maybe we will now. thanks, trace. thank you. unbelievable. meantime, there is a growing controversy over guns in schools. in three minutes we will speak to two school superintendents who say they support now arming certain employees in the classrooms. why they believe this is more sensible than critics would have you believe and they are prepared to take on those who say they don't get it.

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>> well, pope francis on this good friday is continuing his new tradition of breaking with tradition on holy thursday, this is yesterday. the pope usually washes the feet of 12 priests and usually meant to be like the apolles. but he washed the feet of inmates. one asked why he was there, the pope told them. gestures from the heart don't have an explanation. well, in the wake of the sandy hook tragedy, a texas school

district will soon anow certain teachers to carry guns in the classroom. this is not the first district signing off on potentially having teachers carry guns. and administrators say this is a more sensible response, tragedies like newtown than critics suggest, joining knee now -- me now is kelly, and david sweet, a superintendent of harold independent school district in north texas. david's school implemented in 2007. one gentleman is about to do it and one gentleman who has done it already. let me start with you, kelly, the person who is about to do it, right? and ask you whether you-- what the reason is for this? >> well, primarily we're looking at the safety and security of our students, particularly after what happened with sandy hook elementary in december and our school board just felt like we

needed to take a strong look and stance how we're doing safety and security from the standpoint of securing our campuses and some of our departments. and so, as a result, we formed a committee back in january about 26 members of the community, including law enforcement, sheriff's department, school resource officers, community volunteers and representatives from each of our campuses and an administrative representative including myself to take a look and see exactly what procedures we want to put in place as far as addressing the needs of safety and security on campuses. >> megyn: and now the teachers, it won't be all teachers, you have to go through a -- you have to get a concealed handgun license and pass a gun training course and decide which teachers have it and which won't. but what sort of reaction have you had from the parents in the school district? >> you know, it's been very good, very positive. we have had very positive comments from our community

for taking this stance and of course, we had active participation from community members. we surveyed our faculty and staff in addition to meeting with our committee on a regular basis and we've had a very good skrooutpouring of support and we appreciate that so much. and because with texas safety of our students is paramount just like it is across the state of texas, but we feel like we're going in the right direction. we are going to hire two additional resource officers in addition to looking at what employees we're going to ask to consider, carrying concealed handguns after they obtain a concealed handgun license. >> megyn: you're just not going to hand out the firearm, they've got to be trained and let me jump in, i want to get to david as well. i want our viewers to know that a lot of these school districts are in a very rural

areas and some don't have police departments and some just have sheriff's department and could take 20 to 30 minutes to get there not like living in the big city you think you can depend on the police to get there and david you, among other reasons in the wake of the virginia tech tragedy back a few years ago in 2007, you decided to implement this in your district, how has it worked out? >> it's worked out fine. we've not had any issues, and we've had outpouring on our social media and facebook and et cetera, graduating us from our parents for being proactive and protecting their children. >> yesterday, we have on this program, editor of the des moines register, that published an online interactive map showing everybody which school district had security and which did not have security in the wake of complaints they took that map down. and some of the editorial remains on their website. your thoughts on that, david, as an administrator of a school that obviously, you're charged with the responsibility of protecting these students.

>> well, i think it's -- you know, i don't know what word to use, that judgment i would say is asinine bordering on criminal if they're doing that. megyn, let's put this in perspective. they're not the first people to do this. the federal government did this in 1990 when they made schools gun-free zones so they did this in essence 23 years ago, did the same thing that the des moines register did yesterday or two days ago, so this is not the first time. >> megyn: there's been so much concern if we give teachers guns, is it going to result in an accidental death, is a student going to get his hands on the gun. i want to ask you about this, as somebody living with this policy already. >> it's an interesting thing, these are concealed handgun licenses, in the status quo, you have resource officers and security guards in open holsters. it's not going to happen if you walk up to someone, you don't know if they have a gun and not going to reach inside the clothing and groping, we have rules against that in society.

it's not going to happen, if it's not happening at that school already. >> megyn: we'll continue to watch it. all the best to you. >> happy easter. >> megyn: new reaction to the story. the des moines register publishing the names of almost every one in the school district and follow-up today. i'm here at my house on thanksgiving day,

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>> the fbi coming clean on the infamous top ufo mild. releasing a 60-year-old report that details the capture of three flying saucers and their alien passengers. in rozwell, new mexico, oh, really, trace gallagher?

is that a fact? >> people love this kind of stuff. this ufo document is more popular than the fbi investigations into celebrities and civil rights leaders. since the fbi released this, a million and a half people have taken a look at it. the document was written back in 1950 by this guy, the head of the d.c. office of the fbi at the time. now, the memo was relaying a story about flying saucers and space men that was witnessed in new mexico by people, including a police officer, a highway patrolman and an army guard. the memo was sent to then fbi chief j. edgar hoover and kind of detailing what they saw, it reads in quote here, they were described as being circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in d diamet diameter, each occupied by bodies in human shape, but three feet tall dressed in a fine cloth of texture.

the witnesses claimed they exploded in an explosion of fire. and the fbi didn't investigate the claim. because of freedom of information act and they dumped these things. the fbi says that some of the tabloids connected this to the 1947 rozwell incident, remember that, with the aliens and so forth, but this document they say was actually written in 1950, three years later and they weren't trying to hide it. they said they publicly released this back in the 1970's as part of freedom of information, and it was public and people to look at, but the fbi to does acknowledge they he didn't look into it so the mystery remains unsolved and they ended their memo saying, quoting here, sorry, no smoking gun. the mystery remains. the rozwell accident-- roswell incident is heavily debated, to that one 1947. >> megyn: i can hear my twitter feed lighting up right

now. i can hear it. trace, thank you. >> sure. >> megyn: a multi-million dollar lawsuit against the nypd after an officer rams his cruiser into a dirt bike during a police chase, killing the driver and injuring the passenger. and you know, i don't know it was during a police chase, i don't know, look at this. this guy jumps on the back and watch what happens next. yeah, and we will show you this videotape and ask whether the police went too far. they say it was an accident. kelly's court is on the case. life is harder for young americans than ever before. apparently things were so much easier for young people back in the 1970's, and dr. keith ablow is here to explain why, and what it means for the following generations, and politicians, including president obama and former president bill clinton have reversed themselves when it comes to gay marriage and our bill he o'reilly calling them

phonies, we'll have a fair and balanced debate. >> you're phony, mr. clinton, you're phonphony, you signed it because you thought it was popular and now it's not popular, you're against it. >> do you feel that way about barack obama, too, he was against gay marriage. >> do i feel that way again? of course i feel that way again, of course i do. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [ male announcer ] glucerna hunger smart. a smart way to help manage hunger and diabetes. the longest 4g lte battery in a razr thin profile. with 32 hours of battery life that turns an all-nighter, into a two-nighter. the droid razr maxx hd by motorola. droid-endurance. droid-powerful.

>> new information on a massive landslide that knocked

a house off its foundation in washington state. home owners forced to leave the didd the-- look at the aerial shot. wow, concerned about the safety of their property. as a result the sheriff's office is planning extra patrols to ward off looters. 20 structures were damaged in the landslide and we're live from the island where it's happening with more on the developing story in just a bit. >> and signed by bill clinton and who now very, very much regrets doing it. >> megyn: now he's sorry. >> now that he's not in the oval office. >> megyn: he makes a point when he signed it, gay marriage wasn't big or even discussed back in 1996. >> and when he signed it wasn't a big deal and now it's a big deal, he changes. you know, i'm sorry-- >> evolving standards. >> let me say you don't get attached to it, you don't want to get attached to it, you're a phony, bill clinton. you're a phony, it's the same exact issue. you signed it because you

thought it was going to be popular and now it's not so pop that is what sleazy politicians do. >> megyn: and do you feel that way about barack obama and-- >> of course i feel that way, they don't care-- >> but, bill. >> they don't care about gays, if they cared they'd be on board in the beginning. >> megyn: even gays weren't talking as much about marriage in 1996 as today. >> i'm sorry, it's the same exact issue. you can change your mind on the issue, but you've got to explain that in context other than politics. all right? somehow you evolved on this issue. i'm willing to listen to that, but i don't believe any of this is sincere. it's political and it's just awful. >> megyn: well, that was our own bill o'reilly suggesting in an exchange with yours truly earlier this week that lawmakers, some of them who have recently changed their tune on gay marriage have done so for political reasons. we specifically discussed barack obama and bill clinton

who say they have evolved on the issue, since they first opposed gay marriage, same claims for that matter by hillary clinton, who happened to be our first lady when her husband bill signed the bill into law that defined marriage as between a man and a woman. that's what went up to the supreme court this week. and this is a sampling of what a couple of those have said in the past. >> what i believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman. i am not in favor of gay marriage, i'm in favor of civil unions. >> i take umbrage at anyone who might suggest that those of us who worry about amending the constitution are less committed to the sanctity of marriage or to the fundamental bedrock principle that it exists between a man and a woman going back into the midst of history. >> megyn: joining me now to

discuss this, alan colmes, host of the alan colmes show and mike gallagher a fox news contributor. bill made a lot of news with the exchange and not just that part of it. the claim specifically, mike, that he believes that they're phoneies, that these are sleazy politicians as he put it, who are just pandering, depending which way the wind blows? >> there sure does seem like an awful lot of evolving going on these days, doesn't there, megyn? i mean, of course these guys are sticking their fingers in the proverbial winds and they are doing what politicians do. i think bill is absolutely a thousand percent correct. i would like to see one same-sex marriage proponent call out any of these democrats, pick one. start with bill clinton, maybe hillary, maybe president obama and either take them to task for being so bigoted up to a year ago of their lives, or suddenly doing this about-face because it appears that the polls are suggesting that the

same sex marriage has gained a lot of popularity. republicans can take a page out of the democrats play book on this matter, megyn. you never see republicans unified over a social issue like democrats are over this particular issue. there's never any criticism within their own-- under their own tent. these guys just clam up and pretend at that everything they're doing is honorable and bill is right. it's a big, fat phony disingenuous lie. >> megyn: i have to give a short out of credit to david wygle who put together a compilation of politicians reversing himself and he is no conservative guy, but in any event there hasn't been a huge chorus of folks like bill or others pointing ow the hypocrisy on it. >> nobody. >> megyn: is it hypocrisy, you heard me in the clip challenging bill, as i like to do, whether this is hypocrisy or truly might be an evolution, because this whole debate has changed a lot. >> you don't ever want to

challenbill o'reilly. >> megyn: you? didn't you go to couples therapy. >> went quite well. >> anger and-- >> bill has evolved with the issue. when you were on, megyn, he say the only peep on tople on t other side is bringing bible thumping. i thought he was talking about barack obama. and mr. o'reilly, i'm contractually obligated, his highness. i thought we were talking about the republicans who evolved on pathway to citizensh citizenship for immigrants, like marco rubio and jeb bush. so let's not act like it's a one-sided issue. and the american public went from 38% to 53% over the last years supporting gay marriage. >> i'm not sure what illegal immigration has to do with the

same-sex marriage debate. listen, this is a complicated issue and i don't think that people of goodwill want discrimination against anybody. i don't. i don't think anybody ought to be discriminated against, including gays and lesbians, and all we're asking for, alan, honesty and say, now what? i'm president obama now, i've got nothing to lose. when i was candidate obama, when i was a senator, i was -- i mean, let me ask you something, were they wrong in those audio clips you heard, alan when they were going on and on about the sanctity of traditional marriage. was mitt romney wrong when he flip flopped and ran away from his health care bill. >> megyn: when you listen to the hillary clip, bill clinton is the number one guy, he signs the defense of marriage act into law. he's the one who defined it effectively for the federal government as between a man and woman period and now completely reversed himself and his wife stood up there indignantly, alan.

>> yeah. >> megyn: and said, i am just as committed to the fundamental bedrock principle that marriage is between a man and a woman and now, now. >> if i may. >> megyn: i'm not-- >> if i may, the hypocrisy is that people on the right supported a candidate, mitt romney, who signed health care, romney care into law and then ran away from it. they supported a candidate who-- >> that's a dodge. a dodge, even if that is true, what we're talking today is about what is actually in-- >> a flip-flop. >> megyn: that went up to the supreme court. no, we're not, alan, nobody is talking about mitt romney right now. we're talking about two huge cases that went up to the supreme court of the united states this week and the parade of politicians that came out now supporting gay marriage and whether we are to believe their genuine support of this or whether as mr. o'reilly claims, that they're phony. >> i believe it's appropriate to point out that there's been much flip-flopping and changes of opinion on the other side when it was politically

convenient, and just democrats on this particular issue when you had a republican candidate running for president who clearly calculated-- >> it's not about just the democrats. and try this with you, mike, it's about the man who signed it into law, bill clinton, who has reversed himself. he has explanations why he did so and barack obama, who was a he vocal opponent of gay marriage, and even as he was running for reelection most recently was an opponent of gay marriage until the very, very end, and hillary clinton. these are all either presidents, possible future presidents, secretary of state, these have been important voices on this issue and the charge by bill, they were not being sincere. >> i think if i'm hearing alan's answer correctly, all politicians do this because it's politically expedient. if he that's the case then bill and hillary and president obama change their position according to alan because it's politically expedient and somebody ought to call them out on it, alan, all we're-- hang on we're not talking

about mitt romney and illegal immigration, we're talking complicated shall sensitive, fundamental issue of the definition of marriage. either this they were wrong a year ago or now. >> you can tell me so i don't have to be here in the future if you like. >> we heard you. >> i truly believe that there are sometimes nothing wrong with evolving and changing your position or do you want a politician who never changes one's mind ever on anything, and is it ever permissible for somebody to say i'm thinking it true. the world is changing, society is changing, i've got a different point of view of here is why. >> i've got to ask you quickly. double president obama when earlier, a couple of years ago, he said he was against gay marriage? >> no, i did not. and i believe all of these guys had been same-sex advocates and didn't feel it was politically expedient and now they are, and it's not honest, it's simple. bill was right. >> megyn: it's true the country is changing on this issue and the polls are there to prove it.

gentlemen, thank you both so much. >> thank you, megyn. >> megyn: a newspaper columnist sparks controversy when he calls for an end of military funeral. a decorated message has a very clear message for this columnist. and a new column suggesting that life is harder for young folks than before. things were much easier in the 1970's and young people were a lot happier. dr. keith ablow is next on why that might be. plus, "the amityville horror" was one of the scareiest movies from the 1970's, now, the boy who lived in this true life haunted house, they say, is breaking his silence 40 years later. >> when i went in there, there was probably 4 or 500 flies and we're talking this is mid december in long island. the entire family staying

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>> fox news alert out of miami, florida where president obama is calling for more federal spending on infrastructure projects. he's expected to press congress to pass new tax incentives as well, you can catch his remarks streaming live right now on our website, foxnews.com. a study finds that life is harder today than 40 years ago, especially for young people. 68% of those surveyed. 4,000 surveyed young and old agree that things are much tougher now for people in their 20's. and dr. keith ablow is a member of our fox news medical a-team. they say that they are stressed and how. 41% say that they experience regular or constant stress from money worries, from being overworked, worries about body image and so on and as the older generation says, it just wasn't like that for us, your

thoughts? >> yeah, this is compared to 15%, just, you know, 40 years ago so we're talking about a 300% increase. why? well, i think the deployment of technology, which makes people available 24/7. the amount of focus, which i've talked about with you in terms of narcissism, but also the need to keep up with appearances, and what seems to be a trading in of some moral values and groundedness for the desire for quick riches. so, with the housing being expensive as it is, with everything in our culture being branded and expensive now and aspirational. people feel stressed that they're not making the money they once did in order to just buy things that were ordinary, now everybody's trying it to outperform right away. >> megyn: what extent do you see the pictures a little girl one with a phone and one with an ipod. and the what role is technology. you have dinner with people, half the people at the table

are looking down a the electronic devices than with you who had dinner with them. >> it's a scorch, need, solitude, reflection, it's literally the way we work in your logically. we've decided without thinking about it to simply deploy as much technology as possible, as many fun gadgets that we can. and think that the amish to teach us about this is falling. there are groups that intuit, listen this is short-circuiting something about our capacity to focus. why is attention deficit disorder skyrocketing and telling us in surveys like this, they are much less comfortable. why is it that literally half of people 40 years ago said he they didn't feel any stress at all in this survey. now we could never reproduce 50% saying they feel no stress at all. everybody's stressed. >> megyn: yeah, and when you think about that, they say that the older generation

enjoyed the clock on/clock off aspect of life. when they were home, they were with their families and didn't have blackberry or voice mail for people to track them down. that's not the way it is now. if you want to ask about body image. >> yes. >> megyn: which is so big in today's society. it wasn't so much 40 years ago? >> i think it was less so. i think that now because literally, you know, with this snap chat and all of these different apps now, literally, there's one now where you send a photo of yourself, people can look at it, decide whether to hold it or not. you're alerted if they've saved it. you can pick on another app from seeing pictures that randomly appear. who do you think is hot. all of this image is consuming our capacity to feel settled, to be at one with our thoughts and say, listen, i'd like to get to know you. no, i'd like to know your picture and it better be good. and so it's the three extra pounds, maybe used to be 33 extra pounds.

now, everything is hyperbolic, we focus on appearance. >> megyn: and wrapped up in that or money is not a good place to be. >> that's where we're at. >> megyn: up next, a little boy who lived in the amitiville house of hoarse. >> we went and asked questions. who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed: the official retirement age. ♪ the question is how do you make sure you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪

>> a house in amitiville, new york carries a heavy burden of being one of be america's most infamous haunted houses allegedly. now for the first time in 40 years the boy who lives there is now a man and breaking his silence. trace gallagher has the story, trace. >> trace: his name is danny lutz, 47 years old now. his parents bought "the amityville horror" house 13 months after a 23-year-old man shot and killed his parents and four younger siblings.

the lutz family claims as soon as they moved in, it started, jolting sounds at night. objects flying across the house, green slime oozing from the walls, kids levitating above their beds. danny lutz says he hasn't talked about it in 37 years, but the stories are true. listen. >> when i went in there, there was probably four or 500 flies and we're talking this is mid december in long island. the entire family staying there watching the garage door slam up and slam down and-- >> now, lutz believes his stepfather, george, that man who bought the house at a steep discount, actually brought this upon the family because before they moved in, he dabbled in the occult, listen. >> a history, devil worship, mind control. i was possessed by a spirit that i could the not get rid

of on my own. i didn't care if they were performing exorcisms on me if i'm not mistaken, do the not want to talk about. >> and many skeptics, including a lawyer who said he helped them dream this up for profit and they have no proof at all. this documentary trying to disprove that. if you watch it, you can be a believer. and you can download it, and available as we speak. >> megyn: i watched it, i don't know if i'm a believer. >> trace: did you. >> megyn: doug fell asleep. got to leave it at that. he scares easily. thanks, trace. >> trace: sure. >> megyn: coming up, dr. ben carson made history at johns hopkins as a pediatric neurosurgeon who separated conjoined twins. an african-american who made

it, on you would think that-- >> and the iowa newspaper across the state that have no full-time security. after the break, an outraged parent who says the paper put his children at risk and an undercover video of a calculating two-year-old. what was he up to? .

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up to $423. call... today. liberty mutual insurance -- responsibility. what's your policy? >> fox news alert and new reaction growing anger as well as a major newspaper publishes a map. and we heard from the editor of the des moines register and they did take that interactive map down. however, much of the editorial remains online. and today we're hearing from an angry parent. brand new hour of "america live," i'm megyn kelly. the des moines register published this map two days ago, detailing security at schools across the state and no, no full-time security whatsoever and yes, this has.

and we're hearing from a parent who calls an a guide for criminals who want to target their children. we've chosen to put black dots over the pins in the map, but originally, the map had red dots and green dots. green for dollars that have security and red for schools that have no security and gray for schools that did not answer and we changed all the dots to black to not give out that information. now, the original map details a school district's name, location, and whether it had security guards or offices like you have here. and lists the name of the school and asks, does it have guards or not? we blurred this out as well. and yesterday the paper's vice-president and editor joined me by phone and he explained that was in answer to an outcry after the newtown school shooting. >> we heard from residents,

from taxpayers, most importantly from parents around iowa asking three really simple questions, does my school district have resource officers? what kind of police presence exists in my child's school and the biggest question, is this school district or our district taking seriously any publicing safety threat by the resource officer. >> and joining me now is dave. and he's the parent of eight-year-old twins as one of the schools not to have security. and choosing to go by only his first name so no would-be criminal would identify. and you're a former captain in the air force? >> airline business, and come on sense for america, megyn. >> megyn: your reaction to this story? >> pretty shocked to say the least. as a former flight deck officer armed pilot we never told anyone what flights we were on.

my wife didn't know what flights i was flying on any given day and no one would reveal where our federal air marshals were deployed. what person in their right mind would ever tell anyone whether a school has armed security or not? it's just appalling to say the least. >> megyn: would be a parent of children who have been now outed as going to a school, they did it by school district, but if they tell everybody that this school district has no full-time security then it stands to reason that the school, that individual children attend within the district have no security either. i mean, are you concerned? i mean, it's not that adam lanzas, thank god, populate this country to any extent. we worry about the copy cat, 100 day mark after newtown and those things have to run through your mind. >> it does and it's irresponsible journalism for the des moines register to produce the art ch with the

m-- article with the map. we're having the kofshgs, i didn't call the newspaper, i asked my school district, and superintendent. he said we would never reveal this information to anyone. and what we have is des moines register produced an interactive map that probably isn't going to lead to another columbine or sandy hook, but a clearly more likely scenario some disgruntled or unhappy noncustodial parent now has an interactive map to find the best place to kidnap their kid. it's terrifying. the des moines register didn't report news, they're trying to create it. the question, are they creating news that could lead to potential tragedy? i understand they're in the business to sell newspapers, but if you create the tragedy should you profit from the sale of newspapers and potentially a pulitzer prize. >> megyn: they said the reason they did it, parents were calling to ask, in the wake of

newtown, does my district have an officer, does this district have an officer? and they said doing it for an informational tool for parents who have that concern. >> i understand that, but let's think back to 9/11. right after 9/11, it was so obvious we needed our pilots in this country, even congress figured it out to arm pilots. those teachers who watch yours and my kids every day, they come to love them. they teach them and care for them. don't shouldn't be-- i trust most moms and dads to protect my kids. >> megyn: and in texas they've just pushed to arm certain teachers with concealed carry after full training and monitoring and only the everies to want it. but now you want to find out what the situation is in iowa. sadly it's too easy. we appreciate you being here. >> thank you. >> megyn: all the best to you and your family. >> thank you very much, megyn, have a great day.

>> megyn: you, too, if you'd like to see the interview we did with the des moines register's editor, rick green. again, we commend for coming on. it wasn't an easy interview. he explained that and to his credit, took the map down within 20 minutes, but left the editorial up there. go to foxnews.com, click on measured "america live" and go to the latest videos. we're tracking a developing story about the massive landslide in washington state. these pictures are just disturbing. an entire community literally on edge today. worried that their homes are in danger. this happened about 50 miles north of seattle. take a look at the before and after pictures here. look at that. i mean, the gray is just where land used to be. at least 20 properties have been damaged. dozens of othresidents have bee

forced to evacuee. >> i'm standing on the beach and this coastline used to be as straight as an arrow and now you can see a peninsula that's been created. all of the land, the trees, all of the mud that's now up that peninsula used to be up on a hill side much the residents at whidbey island did get a welcomed brack, and helped to slow the movement of the hill side. so many damage has been done. one home destroyed. two others have dirt and debris pushed up against them and more than a dozen others have lost part of their yard, and with it, property values, and one resident half jokingly said he's got a 5 million dollar view and a $5 home. the residents always lived with the threat of landslide, but even officials are surprised by the size of this one.

>> hundreds and maybe thousands of years, so it's probably not going to stop in its entirety, but as far as this particular slide, the longer it stays still and doesn't move, the more likely it's not going to continue. >> reporter: 5.3 million square the feet of land fell. enough to fill 40,000 dump trucks. access to homes is still an issue. people who live on top of the bluff, they can get there. the danger for them is the cliff's edge keeps creeping closer to their homes, but for 17 people down below where we are, the road to their property has been destroyed and we're told most likely will never be rebuilt. they can get to their homes now by taking a short five minute walk on a steep sleepry path and there's talk of making it a one lane gravel road, but the real question

when will people be let back in their homes officially not to get just belongings and how long will the peninsula last? will it be the new topography of the land. we will have a new beach front in whidbey island. >> wow, what a change. dan, thank you. >> christians marking the solemn holiday of good friday. in the holy lands hundreds carried wooden crosses through the narrow streets of jerusalem's oldest city and marking the path of jesus on the way to crucifixion, and colin is here. >> it's plagued by conflicts, but a different scene in jerusalem's old city where the pill grams walked in the footsteps of jesus. >> christian pilgrims filled the alleyways, celebrating

good friday, the most solemn day in the christian calendar. as they walked they read allowed passages from the bible, telling the story of jesus' crucifix. >> jesus has been there. >> and the route that christians believe jesus walked. villa dela rosa, it ends w his death and resurrection. this takes on special meaning for the roman at arthritcatholi pope francis. the service to the less fortunate. >> what's different about the pope this time, he's really involved with poor people and charity work and everything and now they're important to the reach of the catholic church. >> following the examination of jesus at the last supper,

pope francis traveled to a prison washing the feet of young inmates and stresses importance of reaching out to those in need. megyn, the vatican announced that pope francis will come to the holy land and accompanied by bartholomew i. and they say it's a sign of christian unity, michael. >> thank you. dr. ben carson made history as a pediatric surgeon who separated conjoined twins. and you might think the med students must be thrilled to have him as commencement speaker. think again. new reaction from dr. carson, and plus new developments regarding this incredible video of an apparent road rage situation. a man accused of pulling a gun on a couple of guys after they allegedly cut him off. what happened when the man, who is now charged in this case, went before a judge this week?

we'll tell you. and could america's traditional tribute for fallen heroes become a thing of the past? we'll ask the ceo of a veterans group what he thinks of the idea of ending military funeral honors as a way to trim the government's budget. >> and i thought, why don't we just let the vfw, the marine corps league take care of this and now is the point of the column and the column said that, you know, in the way you cut a budget is you take, you cut little programs and it might be nice that you don't need and you trim bigger ones. i'm up next, but now i'm sging the heartburn blues. hold on, prilosec isn't for fast relief. cue up alka-seltzer. it stops heartburn fast. ♪ oh what a relief it is!

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do away with funeral honors that the veterans do nothing heroic anyway. and joining on the o'reilly factor, laura ingraham sitting in for bill. >> and i write four columns and the most pressing issues-- >> why the heroic, and put the line in they're not all heroes, why that? >> because it's true. i'm one of them, served in the army in the marine corps, but unheroically. a lot of guys were like me, i went to college on g.i. bill and you'll square with uncle sam. i don't feel owed anything more. >> megyn: and the concerned veterans for america, while he acknowledges at that combat vets like yourself should and getting military honors and their funeral he doesn't think that anybody who served in the

armed services should get their honors at their funerals, he thinks it's an area to save costs. where do you stand on it? >> i very much disagree. he discounts all the aspects that support that combat veteran. less than 20% of the force kicking down doors. the rest of the force is there to sustain them. cooking the meals and getti logistics and the front lines. and they're putting themselves at risk in that environment and the ones state side preparing to go overseas or putting together the war plan. to say they're not worthy of it. it should be about prioritizing, honoring and pausing to take note at a funeral with a military, this is over one military bugler, what it started with. and that moment honors should reflect what we honor and it the serving and willingness to

nerve not whether or not you were shot out while you served. >> megyn: correct myself, he's okay with men and women who are killed in combat getting full military honors, i don't know that he would agree you should get military honors or anybody else who served in combat, but wasn't killed in combat. just talk about it, even though we have so many brave men and women who volunteer to serve in the military. talk about what it takes, even if you don't go into combat, to sign up, to put on the uniform and to be willing to take those risks? >> it's been the same with every generation and this is an example. you signed up today or anytime over the last decade you know you could be going to war. army, navy, marine corps, air force, you know you could be sent out to put your life on the line for your country and that in and of itself is a heroic act. is everyone out on the battlefield doing g.i. joe

type moves? no, it it shouldn't be just laying down your life for your country that requires the investment at the funeral that the other -- of course we should be doing everything for those who save the ultimate sacrifice and you go to arlington and watch what the honor guard does that or the tomb of the unknown soldier, we do pay a lot of respect, as we should, to those, but we should also pay he respect to the guys and gals that gave up their time and effort and energies that could have been spent elsewhere, because it's less than 1% of the population and we're losing tens of thousands of world war ii vets every week of that greatest generation and his point is about cutting costs. i don't take issue with the point if you don't cut any of the small stuff nothing gets cut. why he starts with military buglers and noncombat veterans, it seems a-- he's got an ax to grind with something about whether or not military retirees should be getting what they're getting and that's fine, but it seems like a silly point for him to make.

>> megyn: this is from a blog weasel zippers, when it comes to crap like welfare liberals don't care what the cost is when he it comes to honoring vets suddenly they're deficit hawks. i don't know this man or what his leanings are and the first place to cut honoring our vets. >> that's right, why should our veterans and families pay for the financial sins of washington, just because washington can't get its stuff together, why should we be cutting the bugler playing taps and remind us what we're sacrificing for and fight for. the priorities are completely backwards and our organization has been outfront where we should be cutting the defense department and where we can trim the way we spend money because we better be smart about the way we spend money these days, belt tighting. >> megyn: he thinks that the vfw and american legion. >> ask them whether they've got piles of cash in their

halls. they try to find ways to raise money and help the community. i'm a believer of outside nonprofit organizations and step up so government doesn't have to do that. this is an aspect where the government should demonstrate how much is cares, how much it it wants to give back, just a small measure, a small recognition for a family whether they saw combat or not. something the they should be doing. and their organization is dedicated to fat small and large to be cut to find the savings and this is way off. >> megyn: if we can send jeff nealy to vegas and bathe with his bloody mary, and pay to train shrimp on a treadmill and pay to study the habits of overweighed lesbian women, maybe we could pay for military honors. thank you. >> thank you, megyn. >> megyn: a lawsuit filed against the nypd after an officer rams his cruiser into a dirt bike, killing, well,

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>> fox news alert in maryland as crews stage what they are calling a technical rescue for a person found themselves stuck in the mud. trace gallagher has the latest, trace? >> it it kind of looks like a kid, megyn, this guy was stuck in the mud for some time and walking away now and this is a tricky rescue because he was waste type in the mud. and they had to bring in emergency crews to bring him out. and roll some tape, this is how deep he was stuck here. the big dangers with the mud

hypothermia because it's so cold and the weight of the mud could be dangerous because it could cut off blood flow just this month in new york. a subway worker was cut in mud chest deep and he suffered some hypo thermia con get him out. the suction kept pulling him down and luckily got this guy out and they're going to take him to the hospital for observation and he looks to be okay and check him out to be sure and i we're going to find out exactly what happened and how he got stuck in the mud to begin with, the live pictures thanks to our friends in wttg 30 miles outside of gault more, it looked like he was diving or walking across, we will get back to you. >> megyn: interesting, interesting choice of venue for the walk. all right, trace, thank you. coming up, dr. ben carson made history at johns hopkins as a pediatric neurosurgeon who separated conjoined twins. he's a yale educated

african-american who pulled himself up from a broken home he says by reading books and looking inward for responsibility. you'd think the med students at johns hopkins, his institution where he made history, would be thrilled to have him as a commencement speaker, but they are not, or at least some of them are not citing among other things his comments on gay rights and his speaking out about obamacare. that's next. i'm trying to get people to speak up because you know, this country is changing into something else and we need to make sure that we really want it to change into something else and not just end up there and ask ourselves how did we get there. u measure happiness? by the armful? by the barrelful? e carful? how about...by the bowlful? campbell's soups give you nutrition, energy, and can help you keep a healthy weight. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do.

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>> brand new information on an incredible case of road rage caught on tape. we brought you the story earlier this week on "america live." the north carolina man at the center of the story is now facing up to four years in prison. over the weekend, bradley turner shown here was caught on cell phone video throwing a punch at a guy in a pickup truck and turner claims the pickup truck guy cut him off. well, that guy, the alleged cutter offer and his passenger fought back, beating turner to the ground and authority says that's when turner's wife got out of the car with a gun and gave it to turner who shot at his attacker's truck and the neighbors house. no one was hit, but a judge decided that turner is not allowed to have contact with the two men or their families

and also banned from bringing any firearms outside of his home, and his wife is also facing charges for pointing the gun, and they will both have additional court appearances in may. >> my thoughts are that marriage is between a man and a woman. it's a well-established fundamental pillar of society and no group, be they gays, be they nambla, people who believe in bestiality, it doesn't matter who they are, they don't get to keanichange t definition. >> was dr. ben carson, the chief of pediatric neurosurgery at johns hopkins university. dr. carson is coming underfire for the comments among other issues, a group of students graduating from the prestigious medical school now falling for dr. carson to be

replaced as commencement speaker this year because they do not agree with his beliefs. joining me now to discuss it the gotham ghost writers and ben ferguson. >> megyn: and dr. carson has spoken out and says he is prepared to withdraw if that is what the class wants, saying it's their day and doesn't want to rain on anybody's parade and he has since come out and clarified what he was saying, trying to say to hannity, saying that, i think people have completely taken the wrong meaning out of what i was saying, he told the baltimore sun. i certainly believe gay people should have all the rights inning else have i was trying to say as far as marriage is concerned it had traditionally been between a man and woman and no one should be able to change that. your thoughts, dan. >> i want to wish everyone good passover and happy easter. you know, look, i think dr.

carson learned a very valuable lesson here. freedom of speech does not guarantee freedom from consequences, i teach my ethics student at nyu. as he was practicing his free speech rights the students are practicing their free speech rights. it comes not a free speech issue, but a values issue. who does johns hopkins want to represent them. that's something to be negotiated by the johns hopkins community and i appreciate what dr. carson said today to kind of clarify, but it doesn't take away from the hurt and the offensiveness of what he said, you know, he touched on classic bigoted against gays and lesbians in this country and whether it was his intent or not showed if nothing else, a horrible lack of sensitivity. >> megyn: before i give it to ben, because nabla is the north american man boy love

not credited association. and comparisons to group. who outside of a man or woman would want to be together. there's not a long list. you struggle to sort of find a group outside of gays and lesbians, and even justice sotomayor on the supreme court asked would it open the door to polygamy, to incest being allowed and gays have gotten upset before when people compare gay marriage to incest actual relationships or polygamist marriages. did he do something so far from what justice sotomayor, an obama appointee? >> there's a legal versus an ethical issue. 's in the public arena. >> megyn: she's not in the public arena? >> no, but she's a legal officer, a legal interpretation and my point is, i actually think she's

wrong and i think it's comparing gays and lesbians to people who commit incest or serious other moral issues. we've-- we'll pass that in this country and-- we're past that. >> megyn: let me jump in and give it to you. was either justice sotomayor or was she or was dr. carson comparing gays, likening gays to people who, you know, to nambla, to people who practice incest, who people who practice bestiality, is that saying that the two are the same? that's for you, ben. >> no, i don't think so. and here is -- this is the whole problem with this debate is. and i talked about that this week and it's amazing how he brings up a legitimate question and so did the supreme court justice he when she said is this going to open the door? and many people that want to defend marriage like myself and dr. carson were saying is this, once you redefine

marriage when precedent is everything at the supreme court, who are we to decide that the next group of people that want to expand marriage yet again, are then denied their quote, unquote rights and i think what you're looking at here is looking at eight students who claim he they want tolerance. >> megyn: an important point, it's eight. >> only eight and they're totally intolerant to anyone else's viewpoints, i mean, if i say i support traditional marriage i'm automatically called a bigot, i'm called a homophobe, the equivalent of a racist because i don't want to redefine marriage outside of one man and one woman. the supreme court and sotomayor was saying the same thing. if we decide that we are going to redefine it, then who are we to then say at that point that we will no longer allow anyone else to yet again redefine it, that's all he was saying on hannity the other night. he wasn't comparing it to bestiality he wasn't comparing it to polygamy. if you do this now, who are

gays and lesbians to say they refuse what they just received, to then be given to maybe three individuals. and there are people in america who do want to be married to two different people. >> megyn: and i want to move beyond this. apparently the students who object are not just upset about the comments on hannity he tried to clarify. they're upset about the his statements about evolution, and speech at the prayer breakfast, denouncing obamacare. it sounds like they're getting political. why should he be banned from being a commencement speaker because he commented on obamacare at the national prayer breakfast. >> you have to ask the students. probably not strong objections. he doesn't have to right to speak, it's an honor and johns hopkins should be able to

choose. i have to respond to something what ben said. especially in what rick santorum said about bestiality. lumping in gays and lesbians with pedophiles. >> i never said that and neither did dr. carson. >> yes, he did. >> did he not. >> megyn: did do so more than sotomayor, equated gay marriage with incestual relationships? he she didn't mean to say there is he' moral equivalence between gays and incestual relationships. >> it's apples and oranges and-- >> it's not it's the supreme court. >> megyn: let him finish and i'll give you the floor in a minute, ben. >> she was asking a question and it's often justices play devil's advocates and they probe, she was asking a question. ben carson was expressing an opinion and by lumping it in, given the past history of the comparisons between these groups, it's deeply repugnant and for one basic reason,

we're talking about-- >> does it matter that he came out and apologized for his choice of words. >> yes, actually it does and i give him credit for that. at that took some courage. and some humility to come out and sort of say that's not what i intended, but no escaping, these are loaded terms, loaded comparisons that are deeply offensive to more and more-- >> i want to get back to ben. listen we looked up briefly the history of speakers at john hopkins med school. include esekial emanuel who is a controversial figure to some, the brother of rahm emanuel because among other things he has argued against doctor assisted-- he's argued against, hold on, doctor suicide and euthanasia that would become the rule in bugetary pressures and make us want to extend that option to others who are suffering and purposes of life-- i'm trying to get my facts straight. he became a controversial

figure during obamacare. that was okay with them. this guy comments on obamacare and it's not okay with them. >> and this is my point. it is so funny to me how the groups that are claiming that they want there to be a rule of tolerance in this country, are totally intolerant to any human being that they disagree with on one issue or three, four, or five like they do now with dr. carson and that's what's so laughable about the hypocrisy on the left on this issue is, if i stand up for traditional marriage, if dr. carson stands up for traditional marriage, we are now then intolerant it their life style. and-- >> but, wait, let me jump in. is it that he stood up for traditional marriage or that he said, that he used that choice of words. if he come out and said between a man and woman would we be talking about it. >> i think they would have still objected to him. they're hoping he'll go a step further if we redefine it where do we draw the line and

say no to someone else, which is against their right at that point that you just gave to gays and lesbians if we redefine marriage it's a logical point to make so logical that the supreme court asked the question to both sides when talking about this from a liberal supreme court justice. it should not be off the reservation to ask it, if supreme court justices are asking the same question at our supreme court. >> again, ben, you're misunderstanding the role of the supreme court justice, it's not the same context-- >> but the point is it hasn't been just justice sotomayor. others have been in searching to try to make this argument, not that they necessarily in any way equate gays with any of those other groups, but when you try to say, okay, who other than a man and woman would want to get married. okay, maybe a man and man, maybe a woman and a woman and then search beyond that and kind of run out of examples and so sometimes people step in it, right? doesn't mean that they're equating gays to other

examples, it's the search who else would possibly be on the list. i want to leave you with this. dr. carson, majored in psychology at yale, comes from a broken home, got himself out of detroit, university of michigan school of medicine. johns hopkins children' center 25 years, think of the number of children he's helped in that role. he was one of the first to separate conjoined twins in this country, he was named one of the living legends by the library of congress in 2006. presidential medal of freedom winner in 2008. he's got a scholarship fund that has more than 5,000 scholars in 50 states, the man's done a lot of good for this country. both democrats and republicans and now it remains to see, to be seen whether the johns hopkins medical students accept his apology, accept his good works and think he's appropriate choice to speak to these next generation of doctors. you guys, thank you for being

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>> kelly's court is back in session. on the docket a multi-million dollar lawsuit after a deadly police chase in new york. well, a police situation anyway. the officers in this cruiser were going after a guy last summer when the cruiser slams into the guy on the street corner. all right. watch this. now, the guy's okay. watch what he does next, it's a guy wearing a white shirt. there he's running, he runs and he pulls, jumps on the back of his friend's dirt bike motorcycle, this is the second hit by the police cruiser that rams into these device. in this hit the driver was killed and the guy wearing the white hurt broke his leg and

that guy in the white shirt was eventually arrested and is now filing suit against the police department saying they were the ones who were in the wrong here. the cops say, it was an accident. joining me now jonna spilbor former prosecutor and now defense attorney and julia morrow, also former prosecutor now defense attorney. let me start with you on this jonna, i can understand accident if he hadn't just hit the guy. i mean, how do you-- how do you hit him one second and then hit him again moments later and say, oh, i didn't know, i didn't see him? >> yeah, this is as much of an accident as if he took out his baton and started flailing about the guy's head. he didn't bother to slow down. talking about two people no helmets on a dirt bike, that police activity was completely unnecessary. they could have done something else to try to stop them and let's be real, these guys weren't running over a pack,

they're a nuisance and vehicle or traffic code and no one deserves to die. >> megyn: look at this, julia, look at this, these guys say, they were rammed down by this police cruiser in the middle of the street and basically got the tadeath penalty for being punks. >> i totally disagree with that. where are the screeching tires, that slowed down when the second jumped on the back of it and the cop was in mid motion. for all we know he was screeching on the brakes trying to stop. we don't have that from the video and we don't know why he was chasing him. live by the sword and die by the sword. they were acting like lunatics, driving the opposite way. >> megyn: no, you can't say that. >> yes, megyn the law says it. >> megyn: live by the sword, die by the sword. we don't put pedophiles to the death penalty. it's okay now to just kill

people riding dirt bikes in the street in the bronx. >> he didn't mean to hit them. when you're driving like that and playing a dangerous game and you have no health on, you're bobbing and weaving through traffic, driving the wrong way down lanes and you know a cop is in pursuit of you? what do you think is going to happen to you. why didn't they pull over? they bear responsibility. there's not going to be a million dollar pay day for this guy. >> megyn: but there is a police policy in new york not to ram vehicles when you're in the middle of a police chase. that policy is, you don't do that, jonna. >> that's a pretty good policy. why do we have it because people shouldn't die when they're committing petty offenses which this was. for the life of me, i can't understand why the police officers aren't going to be charged for this, megyn, because we might not be able to hear the screeching of brakes, but just looking at the video. i don't see smoke coming from the back end of that car-- >> some are saying that he accelerated, that it looks hike he accelerated into them.

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>> all right. so let's look at it again. we were looking at it here during the break and see whether the cop car speeds up, slows down or makes an attempt to stop. it's right after the kid's running away and got hit, running away from the cops and the cops following. >> oh. >> julia? >> i-- i he see it slowing down, meg. i see that cop-- this is what i see, i see the cop not realizing as he's flying that the motorcycle's going to slow down to pick up

this idiot who's jumping on the back. and by the time the cop realizes that the motorcycle decreased in speed, he's moving too fast. he tries to stop and boom, he hits him. i don't think it was-- >> why did he hit him the first time? >> because, megyn, do even know why the people were running from the police? do we know that. >> megyn: no, but you're not allowed to be on a dirt bike, literally it's not allowed. >> it's a traffic offense. for all we know, this will come out in court. they could be fleeing violent felons, we don't know that. if a cop is allowed to use deadly force, they're in certain circumstances, constitute the use of deadly force. it comes down to what is the reason for the pursuit. >> megyn: all they charged the survivor with, resisting arrest and reckless

endangerment and didn't charge him with any other jonna, there are problems with guys on dirt bikes in the bronx and not staff. no question they shouldn't have been doing that. no question whether the officer was administering the death penalty without a judge or jury or whether it was an accident or facing charges. >> as he should. these guys weren't committing felonies. they were committing traffic. and these guys were a nuisance to the cop and this is a cop who got aggravated and didn't step on the brakes, megyn and that bothers me the most, the cops did this on purpose and that's not how you mete out justice. >> megyn: is there a chance that the cops are going to face disciplinary action? >> they're not going to somebody already decided they're not. there's a dead guy and a seriously injured guy riding dirt bikes on the streets in the bronx. >> megyn: and panel, great

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