think you are paying a lot for gas now, get ready to pay more for soon because when an international body called for it members of the body don't raise objections to it. we are also -- i'm neil cavuto. here a green plan that will have you seeing red. international monetary fund is calling for a $1.40 gas tax to save the environment as protestors are getting ready to once and for all try to put the kabash on the keystone pipeline they say to save the environment. what is weird how they are saving can be so selected, how

they aren't quacking a thousand dead ducks showing up in a chinese river after more than 16,000 just as dead pigs showed up floating in another chinese river. far bigger polluter gets a pass, we get a kick in the gas. to ben stein and charles payne and charlie gasparino. >> the imf are arrogant. they have done more harm to third worlds than you can imagine. what did they become in charge of the environment. what the heck is going on. they want to tax a trillion dollar tax to save the environment. it's regressive and stupid. to your point, hey, that might be a bad idea. >> neil: you don't think it's a good idea? >> put me down in the no column. [ laughter ] >> what do you expect out of the imf.

sort of local bureaucrats we have in this country are sort of imported ones from europe. had they are 25 times more liberal and most of these environmental bureaucrats whether people work or not. they have a straight line view about saving the environment and they don't care what economic damage that causes. can you imagine if this actually happened. this is like, a regressive tax. it hurts poor people which they don't care about. it really is a sick disgusting state of affairs. >> politicians and give them all credit right or left in this country knows it is regressive and one tax increase that makes every single country n this country voter mad. and president never talks about raising gas prices and these are imf officials and people from other nations that impose their will on us because our gas

prices aren't as high as they are in europe. >> neil: where do you think this is going, ben? i don't suspect far. >> i think it's boost the republican party needs. this is our worst nightmare as free americans is internationalized. >> neil: go ahead. >> trying to control the united states of america, guys in belgium or rome or wherever they are, trying to tell us in l.a. or tucson what to do in their lives. it's unbelievable. it's such a nightmare, i have to say charles, repressive and regressive and plain stupid. more sinister than that, a real international plot to take over the freedom of the united states. >> neil: would it not be as objectionable if they did it

everyone. if they went over china to do the same but it was really kind of singling the u.s.? >> i don't think they singled out the u.s. they levied a lot of criticism in place in africa. >> neil: but china and india did not get a tax suggestion, we did? >> i'm not sure we read the same report. the report i read was not written by a bunch of environmentalist hippies. they were making an argument. >> smoking pot. >> charles's best line ever. >> neil: go ahead. >> charlie and rest of the crew here many of the viewers we want to get government out of our lives, right? the fallacy is by avoiding these

taxes you are sort of keeping government out of your life. what the imf report described was the way governments, not just the u.s., but governments across the world subsidize energy in all kinds of ways. some of them in ways we can't see. what they said is if the united states actually made the cost of energy equal to the real costs of pulling that energy out of ground and paying for the pollution along with it and roads and all that, you would have to raise taxes on gas. >> i read most of this report, as well. this so-called cost of fossil fuels that the imf talks about this, most of this cost, two trillion dollars was in estimates on damage that fossil fuel does to the environment. so their estimate, they are bunch have nerds that smoke dope. >> neil: maybe they should try smoking dope. >> we should point out with

preconceived notion. they go in with a preconceived notion that america is evil, we pollute the world and they go out and prove that. it reminds me a little bit of this whole thing the u.n. human rights commission. populated by guys from libya and china, it's appraised absurd. >> jane: haven't looked at the data on this but in countries where the gas tax and gas price is high compared to this country they drive any less, they drive any slower, do they save any more? because if that is cat case, thism f might be making a case, but i don't know if that is case. >> that is not the case. of course in europe we know excessively high because there are other free things that have to be paid for for other things. be careful when you want free stuff. but the only way this gets government out of our lives they take all of our money in one

swoop. other than that it's ridiculous. also you'll notice a lot of times on and here in america, obama administration will do this a lot. they come up with an estimate how much is saved. they will assume a human life is worth $400,000 or $500,000. i don't know if how much it's gone up but went up whole lot. we're going to save $2 trillion. when all these people die, it's ridiculous stuff. they have preconceived goal and they put all this stuff out. >> neil: wouldn't that money be used ostensibly for making for cleaner earth, whatever they are going to do. >> it will be ostensibly used for that but we really don't know in detail burning gasoline in cars is. we don't really know all the

cause of global warming and global pollution. that is still to many scientists very much of an open question. the whole subject remind me of a famous saying, there is month science without measurement and if you can't measure it measure it anyway and measure it to it meets your purposes so it takes over the lives of americans. >> neil: that must have knocked them to the floor at yale. [ laughter ] >> when bureaucrats, even if you have a purpose that is desirable it never gets to the desired purpose. be leery of that. whatever the value it won't get to it. >> we may have hit at that point. ben brought the point up at the beginning, g.o.p., not unlike sequestration and president was saying america was going to

collapse unless the spending cuts didn't come flew. our government can't cut 2%, it didn't destroy the entire country. >> and they are driving up gas prices because demand has been falling on its own and we've adjusted. >> media should do work on imf. imf does not have very good record in helping countries. it lends them and prevents them from doing pro-growth strategies. take it from the source. this is the imf. they should have been high when they wrote in. >> neil: we're going to take a break. here is food for thought. stocks may be soaring but food stanltsz are soaring faster. i, he's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol. i was okay, but after lunch my knee started to hurt again. and now i've got to take more pills. ♪ yup. another pill stop.

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>>. >> neil: stocks are setting an all time high so is food stamps. it makes you wonder how the dow and number of folks can effectively double under the

same president. dagen, weird. >> not weird because scary. this is clear evidence. i'm frightened by this because this is clear evidence that the government is getting bigger without any new law passed just by tweaking laws that already existed. >> neil: what does it make the policy more liberal that more can get it? >> that is what happened. the states have relaxed the income test and asset test and pushed people to enroll encouraged by the obama administration. there were 17 states that relaxed requirements and another 11 back in 2010. so you have 15% of the american population on food stamps. that is almost double what it was just 4 years ago. this is as the recession ended four years ago, unemployment has been falling but have a government entitlement program that is getting bigger and

bigger and it's frightening. >> neil: the argument, once you get them it's hard to stop them. the benefit is there and it's hard to take the benefit away. more people are getting them and it just grows? >> there is absolutely no doubt about that. there is an idea, between the food stamps and welfare and earned income tax credited and child tax credited and local programs -- you know, it gets a little comfortable to be in poverty. i know people -- i've lived it firsthand. where people don't go to work because they get everything paid for them. >> happy times aren't here again. before we beat up on poor people taking food stamps --. >> neil: 48 million people. >> that relied question. >> neil: i understand no one here is saying poor people shouldn't get food stamps.

48 million does that number strike you as high? >> yes, but we have a difficult economy. i will tell you this if you are talking about stock market, the reason why stock market is fed printing money. why? because the real economy is not doing that well. >> neil: i don't care about that. 48 million alone strikes you as a high number. >> a lot of people need it. >> because the question wasn't about the economy. you are asking people getting stuck on it. that is a different question. >> the program has shrinked and gone down as unemployment falls. if economy improves the program shrinks. >> our economy is not improving. >> neil: ben, what do you make of this. what is accurate as you said many times, any good caring government that looks after those that are most needy. is it accurate 48 million americans are in need of food

stamps? >> when i was teaching at u.c. santa cruz there were many kids from wealthy families and go down to the local office and apply for food stamps. there was no checking. they would use the money to buy groceries and buy drugs. i've been somewhat prejudiced against food stamps for that reason. what level of fraud in the food stamp program we don't know. one level of dependency are we fostering in young americans, older americans having the government step in and buy their food? we don't know. what i d i'm the oldest on the panel, is that lyndon johnson had the war on panel and war on hunger. war on hunger seems to have been won overwhelmingly because we have a war on obesity. something is going on. either the kids are not being fed enough or being fed too much. something is going wrong here.

>> the number of people collecting food stamps is surprisingly pretty much exactly in line with the number of people actually poor in this country. setting aside the people that ben taught at u.c. santa cruz. we know about them. the fact of the matter, charlie makes a great point. the real economy which is not something you are going to see in scottsdale, arizona or new york city. if you drive out and go out into the world, you discover there are a lot of people hurting out there. yes, it's going to take a long time to get them back to full unemployment. dagen is right about unemployment coming down but the real unemployment rate is quite high. >> that number has fallen. it has come down. >> from 15 to 14? >> let's make it very clear.

this program continues to grow and should shrink and become smaller and it has not. >> we had a financial crisis that devastated our economy. i'm for is checking and not having rich spoiled college kids to buy beer on food stamps but think, this economy is still bad. >> neil: what i'm saying, if you tell me 48 million people are deserving of this in this economy, then when the president was running for reelection, then he should have said the truth of the matter is, things are a lot worse than what we are saying. >> the same people that said that are saying it is bad. this is not good for poor kids who were born on this and die on this. >> it prove that obama economics doesn't work. >> neil: as if the health care law is costing americans now they may be paying for coverage that aren't even americans.

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>>. >> neil: all right. to keep more of your cash, more americans are willing to so-called in red states, talking about politics, it's about opportunity. >> it is about opportunity, these states with no income tax.

florida, texas, nevada and you want to hear, this is going to keep going. you hear entrepreneurs talking in california there have been two giant tax increases in the last two months. government going to claw back their money and they are heading for the exit. >> neil: what is going on? >> i moved from a blue state to red state. down to arizona. it wasn't for the taxes or public schools that terrible here as a rule and we have to send our kid to a private school. that a private tax that doesn't get counted. i think the study is largely bunk. >> neil: we're doing a segment on it. >> i think it's pretty obvious the finding. nanny state dependency they need to have giant taxes to make

smart job creators. >> neil: some of them the right to work states, they aren't all on fire. >> as a general rule go to upstate new york and see what government town. >> it's hard to very tell what the are effects of various causes is less traffic generally speaking in red states, climate is better and schools are not often always a as better. there is less crime. what y people change locations that is all. >> neil: could be weather, right? >> florida, nevada, sunbathing any day there. >> neil: thank you, charlie and dagen, stocks might be going up but charles payne is talking about it. up 30% since january 1. you got it again.

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>> neil:. >> neil: flew new winners from charles payne. >> american rail car, huge replacement from the tanker cars. i also like radiance for the housing market. main street is going to jump into this. they do it very well. and guide wire software. insurance computer systems they have a software that takes care of all of that. >> neil: what do you think of those picks. >> radian, they do mortgage insurance, paying ten dollars a share for a stock that might make money, it's much too risky. >> neil: the other two? >> they aren't bed. >> neil: what do you think? >> i love everything has charles says, as