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yesterday. even his rival theories emerge over who killed them. to most law enforcement the top stigation intoip the apparent assassinations of the prosecutor and his wife cynthia and the other prdo wecutor mike hasse two months earlier is the aryan brotherhood of texas. back in november of 2012, 34 members of the aryan ca.otherhood were indicted in texas for a campaign of udingthless violence iof alleged racketeering, dayisg dealing, kidnapping and murder. a month later about four months ago in december of 20 ba an all points bulletin went out warning authorities that "high ranking members of the aryan ca.otheperood of texas are involved inish are shoeing orders to inflict mass casualties or death to law enforcement officials involved in the recent case." the recent case the indice anet of thek i4 members of the aryan brotherhood. the bulletin goes on to warn

that the brotherhood was is gathering personal intelligence and conducting surveillance lved in theicers ip recent arrest of aryan brother hollywood of texas members and both dead prosecutotie it shoud lved in theere ip investigation. now, this comes as cops arrested onepaiiolent one supremacist yesterday and are still on the lookout for a second in connection with the murder of tom clements. colorado's prison chief. he was killed on march 19. the third is suspect in that clements case a guy by the name of evan ebel was killed in a shootout with teeys deputies two weeks ago. or not?yiof the prime suspects in the murders of both the colorado corrections commissioner and the texas prosecutors are these prison gangsters. ngut you as he was annouof rewards of up to $2o $1000 for information leading to the killers of the texas prdo wecutors, governor rick perry bnd mmed the bloodshed nt

on the white supremacists but on illegal immigrants and the mexican drug cartel. >> we know the drug cartels are very, very acte ye in our country now and i will sstsgest to you it is really at the heart of this issue. you secure the borayir and then it makes it harayir for the individuals to have access into this country as well as it addresses this whole issue that is hanging out on immigration. >> geraldo: well, are the g,llers iictorted mexican dayig ayialers or homegrown prison gangsters? here to help us figure out who the cops should be loog,ng for is michael burns. the county district attorney. also a former law you partner of mike mcclelland, one of the murdered prosecutors. mr. burns, thanks. i appreciate your are coming on. so who do you think is behind these killings? >> welis h who knows. daym certainly not acte yely involved in the investigation, but it appears from what i do

egaow and what i have seen that it is really one of two things. it is either a local issue about som> ane bnoung mad at lw enfoo'ement in kaufman county, texas. or it is some organized group who are bors.e beginning a tred that none of us want to see. >> geraldo: after mr. mcclelland was killed and >> anthia, mike and sin sh cyna mcclelland were killern a secayiral prosecutor on the cae where the 31 were indicted, the federal prosecutor quit. was that in fear of his life and how do you respond to that? >> quite frankly, knowing prosecutors around the state both federal and state prdo wecutors, i doubt seriousy that he quit because of fear of

his life. he may have had other personal issues we are not privy too. i have known mike mcclelland for 33 yeatie and he would have never quit on a case like this. >> geraldo: not only did he not challenging in a way to whoever was out there. he said he was pacg,ng and he was going to protect himself and almost bring it on. do you believe that his death and m or hasse's death are rend mted? >> well, i was also a criminal investigator for a number of years before i went to law school and became a lawyer and ultimately a prosecutor. and one of the things i have learned from both the fbi academy and training as well as a criminal investigator is that there is no such thing as a coincidence. and there is no such thing as a until such time as stigation actually proves that it is a coincidence. so to answer your qhelstion,

sure, they are related. because that is two bi too bigt dence tod call a cthisof be tayise. >> geraldo: how would you respond -- i underand it there ispaiery little other than the cio'ou bstances, the facts involving this other case there is no as far as i know forensic evidence pthisnting to any specific defendant. but you here you have two prdo wecutorsion both of whom case and theis al colorado corrections commissioner being killed by other prison ganwertetie just o weeks ago. that perpetrator was slain as he fled to texas. dences aree cthisof starting to stack up like planes outside chicago's o'hare prdyou hort, right, michael? >> absolutely. and i'm fully confident that the investigators involved that stigatione to this ip that are working 24 hours a day

are looking at exactly those g,nds of facts. again, i believe they were looking to prove whethereither disprove it is a or prove that it is dence.isof i think they will get the answers. >> g pehe don't know the last time you spoke with mike mcclelland. was he in fear of his life? 31i called mike on jannd tryki the day that mark hasse was murdered. i called him at home that evening and mike was one angry man and was vowing to find out what happenera: i talked to him again at mark hasse's memorial is service in february about a mont and a haeral ago. and he sprdd something that has stuck with me since then. he said migratest fear is this

was a lone person who dfsnanr drink. and i thought about that for a minute. that is the kind of thing he would say. he was fearless and he was not afraid and he was bound and ayitermined to bring whoever dd this before a court. >> geraldo: they will gk h this eventually knowing texas as well as i do. michael burns, thank you, i appreciate you coming on. >> my pleasure. >> g pehe you thought of michael jackson there is no denying the drama about to pnd my out in a los angeles courtroom starring his often dysfunctional famile lovely children and a galaxy of stars. the issue is whether the king of pop was pushed to his death by his promotetie and if so, hw many billions is that worth. our special reportet ait iser . new car!

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or your local dealer. >> g pehe alert. hi, i'm geraldo rivera in tonight for sean hannity. mich9wl jac couon the amazing giit ised superbly talented kig of pop is dead' parentally from a heart attack at the age of 50. >> we have is a gentleman here that needs help and he is not fseathing. he is not breathing. outrageous about the 911 call is that conrad murray the las vegas based doctor are who came to live with mike until the last wee cou of his life and cted of administering the fatal dose of propofol first had the body guard to conceal syringes and other incriminating evidence before placing the call, allowing 21 vital minutes to end mpse. >> and how do you feectuabout the fact that this dr. conrad

murray is taking the fall for everything that happene that t >> all i know that my son is dead and i don't think he just died of natural causes or whatever. but something happened. i donanr know what it was. and i geraldo is whether it was aeg or michael jackson who hired dr. murray who is now serving luntarirytie for ip mansnd mstst ter. not part of the case but still on the minds of many jackson friends and fxtily membetie inon ding sister latoya and e activist jesse jackson is the perhges far fk hched conprddiry notion that worse than just

sloppy tok toring it was actual foul play involved in jac couos ayiath. >> passed the physical test and massive cardiac arrest. >> geraldo: the promoter aeg has consist indepenayintly denied any wrong doing and now this highway profile trial will fo on the malpractice and on whk hher the doctor at the promoter's insistences was reer'lessly a> ginistering powerful dayiswer tofansure tht jackson showed up for the @series of concerts he h the ingmmitted to perfo the regardless of his physical or mental condition. >> did you have auld iayia when you mk h with m or jac couon ad the others who were concerned about mr. jackson's health when about mr. jackson's health when cot cot giving mr. jackson nightly doses of propofol? doses of propofol? >> i h the >> g pehe be whether aeg knew what was going on bk hween murray and

mich9wl. whk hher the doctor was more interested in making sure mich9wl showed up for are work than in presefor ing jackson's fragile health and can they further theart goat and by conspiring to keep michael isolated from his family. >> if you could isolate mike trillion certprdn peac le you control michael. you are in charge of his life. so by being in charge of his lisec you are in chan'e of everyrhing that he do.

>> it does. i heard one of catherine jackson's attorneys just last week say $40 billion. we don't know where that figure came from. i mean certainly she would take some billions of dollars. my understanding is she wanted $10 billion for the lost income had michael jackson lived and then more billions for herself that she could leave her children and for the children prince paris and blanket. >> geraldo: one thing that seems to have faded into the wood work i alluded to the early allegations of a conspiracy to allow michael jackson to die because of the insurance policies the promoter makes money either way. either he shows up and they make money or he dies and he is insured and they make money. i haven't heard any of that kind of stuff. safe to say that that is obsolete and it will focus

strictly on dr. conrad murray and what did the promoter know about the drugs michael was receiving and the frailty of his physical condition? >> i think it will focus on the latter frankly. the conspiracy theories, if you read some of the michael jackson fan sites even before he died there was a conspiracy that sony was out to do him harm to get the beatles catalog back and there has always been the conspiracy theories swirling around michael jackson. look, the guy put propofol in his arm every night and finally his body gave out. there is no conspiracy to that. i think it is going to come down to in the jury's mind and in the courtroom did aeg push him to death as catherine jackson says. or did aeg step up at a time when his life was going absolutely no where, he hadn't had a hit in more than a decade. gave him $15 million and a big mansion to live in if he would

just rehearse and go on a concert tour and then they would pay him more? it will depend on the jury they seat. you know that. >> geraldo: what role will the disgraced dr. murray play in the michael jacks death trial? his attorney will join diane and me, right after this. shoot. now with the share everything plan from verizon, connect your camera,

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if i testified i would testify honestly. it is a sad thing when i look at the television because if michael was alive he would be upset. he would be to unhappy with what is hatching. happening. he said i don't want to be a bank for his family but you he is a continuation of that. >> that is where dr. murray

sang the christmas song. kind of whacky. because the attorney believes that dr. murray is a scapegoat wrongfully convicted my next guest is representing dr. murray for free. so will he testify if he is subpoenaed or plead the fifth? will he testify or plead the fifth? >> he will definitely plead the fifth. >> geraldo: and why would you advise him thusly? >> he has a pending appeal and has a fifth amendment privilege throughout the pen dency of the appeal. i am advising him and he indicated he would follow that advise. >> geraldo: he didn't testify on his own behalf as i recall. >> that's correct. >> geraldo: why did you take this case for free? >> i took this case for two reasons. mostly because i believe that he is a scapegoat and as i worked on the case for over a

year i believe that he was wrongfully convict ised and took the case because as an appellate practitioner i believe it presented unique interesting issues. >> geraldo: i have the appeal here 600 odd pages it runs. a lot of work for are a sole practitioner. tell me before we get back into the substance of your appeal, what as you see it was the relationship between dr. conrad murray and michael jackson? >> they did have a patient/doctor relationship but also had a friendship. they were extremely close friends and in fact michael jackson considered dr. murray family along with his children. he was one of the few people that michael jackson trusted. >> geraldo: do you have a physician the big issue is who hired your client, who hired the man ultimately convict ised of involuntary manslaughter and

to whom was he answering? was your client working for michael jackson for working for aeg? >> i really don't know the answer. i know that initially he was approached by michael jackson to become his personal physician for the tour. i know that paul from aeg entered into negotiations with dr. murray and two days -- i forget exactly when but dr. murray, it was two days after michael jackson died dr. murray told the police he believed he had been hired by michael jackson and later found out he was to be paid by aeg. i think it is actually a contractual issue not something that dr. murray or myself can readily answer. >> geraldo: you are remaining neutral on what will be i think the central question in the lawsuit. >> i don't think it as cut and dry issue. i think it is rather complicated. >> geraldo: is dr. murray freaking out behind bars? is that why he was singing on aroundson's cooper's show to

your shock and dismay? >> not at all. dr. murray has handled himself extremely well. he is gracious and well liked by the inmates and staff at the county jail. respectful. i greatly admire the way he has handled the situation. he sang that song to make a point. he is not crazy. he is very sane. he sang that -- if he wouldn't have sang the song nobody would be talking about it. the point he was trying to make with it -- >> geraldo: are you going to break into song here? >> absolutely not. i can't carry a tune. >> geraldo: can you tell us the other point on the other side of the commercial. i have to take a break here if you don't mind. >> sure. >> geraldo: if you would stand by. up next, why did this doctor turn down the doctor coming up, there she is, a half a million dollars to be doctor -- mower from husqvarna. we engineered its unique drive system and dual transmission to handle hills& thick grass&

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osborn said the concert promoters pushed michael jackson to his death because they were going to make money one way or o the other. a question for valerie waas the attorney for conrad murray. >> i wonder those of us watching the jackson versus aeg case closely. do you think there will be a big dog and pony show with your client, will they bring him into the courtroom to say i take the fifth? >> i don't know. he hasn't been subpoenaed yet but i he believe if he is brought into the courtroom he would be testifying outside of the presence of the jury to assert his fifth amendment privilege. >> but still reporters in the courtroom and we he would be there to report it. >> geraldo: reporters but no cameras. >> that hasn't been quite decided yet. the judge still might agree to do it but we don't know yet. >> geraldo: a very small courtroom also. i don't know, i think that is a bad idea. valerie, before i let you go, you were telling me why you

think dr. conrad murray is not crazy that his singing that santa claus song is not indicateing that he is going stir crazy. >> he sang that song to illustrate the fact that he and michael jackson had several bonds. they bonded over that song and shed tears about the song. at christmas time neither of them could stand to hear the song. they would have to turn it off on the radio and turn the radio off when they third. they both came from situations where they were poor when they were born and didn't have fathers that were outwardly affectionate and just a bond between the two men. >> geraldo: valerie, the fact that you are working probono is an indication of the strength of your character. i appreciate you coming on. we appreciate it. we wonder what the responsibility of various parties including the promoter here. his fans, michael jackson's fans really think that he was pushed to his death. here is craig's crime time report.

♪ >> reporter: michael jackson as he prepared for his ill fated performance tour. ♪ >> reporter: the king of pop's genius captured in behind the scenes rehearsal video as he prepared for the sold out concert tour "this is it." ♪ >> reporter: before his death shocked the world. following the involuntary manslaughter conviction of dr. conrad murray the new trial will determine who was responsible for hiring the live in doctor and whether murray was there to tend to michael's mental and physical needs or to a concert promoters to get the ailing performer on stage to perform as promoters had promised. but the highly anticipated $40 billion lawsuit brought against aeg live by michael jackson's mother and children we wanted to get an idea of what michael jackson's fans

feel about the latest legal wranglings. the. >> people that are around him are now after he is gone saying that there was something wrong but at time none of them do anything about it. >> reporter: would you want to hear the facts and circumstances or are you a jackson supporter because you are a fan? >> i'm all about facts. give me the facts and then i will make my decision. ♪ >> reporter: jackson attorneys contend dr. conrad murray worked for aeg live despite their denials. the smoking gun evidence they say is an e-mail exchange between aeg live co-ceo and jackson's this is it show director kenny or are taiga which suggests that dr. conrad murray get michael jackson on stage or he could lose his $150,000 a month job as jackson's personal physician. it reads we want to remind murray it is aeg, not m.j. who is paying his salary and remind

him what is expected of him. >> you do away with someone's life and get a slap on the wrist and especially someone like michael jackson who is loved by the world and but it is all going to redevelop, all going to come out and it is still under investigation. >> we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant conrad robert murray guilty. >> geraldo: despite the conviction, jackson family members believe that he is just a scapegoat and that aeg should pay for michael's untimely death. geraldo and i spoke to brother jermaine at a private family memorial commemorating the one year anniversary of his death. >> it will all come out in time because michael would never take his own life. he loved life and loved preserving life for others that he didn't even know and he would never hurt a fly. >> reporter: the defense says jackson was addicted to drugs, that he hired conrad murray, brought him to los angeles directed the doctor and could have fired him. >> do you think concert promoters and people that

produce artists like michael jackson should be responsible for them for their health? >> yes. most definitely. of course. they are -- their job is to have the performer be at their best. >> reporter: and if they are not healthy enough to do it what should they do? >> get them to the proper people who can give them the care that they need to get n good shape to be able to do their job. >> reporter: do you push an artist beyond their physical capability? that is the real question here. >> well, that is -- that goes without saying, of course, not. but the problem is that we don't know if that was the case. we don't know that aeg knew what was going on when michael went home to his doctor, his live-in sometimes live-in doctor. >> reporter: among the witnesses, jackson's mother catherine and two oldest children prince and paris. in a court filing last month

jackson attorneys accused the defense of behaving aggressively and erratically while questioning michael's 16-year-old son. an issue of concern for the fans. >> i don't really agree with the trial and especially about the children testifying because, however, strong they may be i don't feel it is necessary for them to go back and relive their father's death. >> i just wish we could just let him rest in peace and that this would just be over. >> we are tired of seeing his name being trashed in the press. and seeing all kinds of craziness being associated with his legacy. >> hold for applause. hold for applause. slow umbrella fade out. >> reporter: whatever the jury decides in the wrongful death lawsuit his legion of fans will continue to believe that michael jackson's death was not his fault, coming as he was trying to get his finances together and his career back on track they will blame everyone and any one except the king of pop. and, geraldo, if there is any

doubt of michael's continued popularity, since his death, michael's estate has earned $475 million. geraldo, back to you. >> geraldo: craig, thanks. $475 million since his death. that is actually the court records as i recall were from last year so it is even more than that. probably more like three quarters of a billion dollars. >> and remember, michael jackson was $400 million in debt when died. so that has all been paid off plus it is way up in the red now. >> geraldo: although the media made a lot about the possible appearances of celebrities like prince and diana ross i think the real stars will be as you just saw the kids in times square tell craig michael's children. we will hear from the kids and talk about the kids, after this. hey america, even though she doesn't need them, cheryl burke is cha-cha-ing in depend silhouette briefs for charity, to prove that with soft fabric and waistband, the best protection looks, fits, and feels just like underwear. get a free sample and try for yourself.

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you are 16 years old but seem so much wise. my dad raised me right. >> excited or anxious about it? >> i think it will be a new experience because i have been asked questions before and like people always say they always are asking me questions and i feel that it will be different to ask them a question and a great way to get insight into the business. >> geraldo: the older two children matured into high functioning teenagers. prince is work ising as a junior performer and paris is cheer leader who wants to be an actress and the presence in the

courtroom will be a potent record against the promoters. continuing with di diane diamod and in london with michael's friend who tried an invention two weeks before his death. thanks for being here. you are a phd. not an md. why did he want you to be his youilitate himus music sill getting drugs for him when was in london. >> my aunt is an anesthesiologist and he approached me to arrange his medication which i don't know what they were. when i put it to my family they were completely shocked by his request and said that it wouldn't be possible at all and i guess that is when i understood that there may be a problem. >> geraldo: did he seem although you are not the a medical doctor, did he seem to

you to be an addict? >> i am not familiar with addicts but all i do know is that michael didn't seem as he normally had seemed in the time that i had known him. when i saw him in march he looked quite frail and he was very, very thin and i was very concerned about him. i was concerned that he wasn't going to be able to carry out the concerts and did not look his normal self. >> geraldo: so you believed -- you believed that he would have a very difficult time performing those 50 concerts when you were with him prior to the concerts in london? >> absolutely. i mean you would only have is to be with him for ten minutes and realize there was no way he would be able to do it. he was weak and frail and thin and lost that spark that he normally had and i was very concerned about that. and what drugs. >> geraldo: and what drugs did he ask you to get for them?

>> he asked to get hold of demerol and propofol which is something that there is no way on earth earth is that i coulde done for him. as a friend i could never have done that for him. >> geraldo: as you hear from the doctor, it looked like he was looking to secure you a drug supplier. reaches out in desperation even as a phd in london. >> a doctor is a doctor. >> and the defendants will use all it stuff to discredit michael and bring in all of the doctors with any kind of relationship. they will bring in the chimpanzee and the child molestation cases and do everything they can to junk him up but will it work with the children in the front row of the audience. >> you know that is a witness that is going to testify cannot be sitting in the audience. a jury is not going to be looking at the kids. if the kids testify they will take front and center. as a mother, as a father, as

many of them are on that jury, they are going to remember what those kids say. they will talk about how great their father was. they will present well as if they were raised very well by him. and you know it is interesting to hear dr. etock talk because aeg had said to michael that they wanted him to have a london-based doctor, not dr. murkowski are ray i murrayd he was adamant it was dr. murray because he couldn't get the doctors in london to get him what he really wanted. >> geraldo: remind us how well you knew michael? >> i have known michael for 11 years and just to go back on something that diane just said. i'm not saying that michael brought this upon himself. i totally agree that he was enabled and mishandled and pushed far more than he ever should be pushed to do the concerts and i think that the fact that he had a drug

dependency doesn't necessarily mean that conrad murray or aeg are not the accountable. i mean clearly just after spending five minutes with him i mean i spent an hour with him in march but after five minutes i could tell that there was something wrong and this is a man that i only saw four times a year. and with aeg dealing with him day after day and people performing with him and training with him, why did no one pick up that he wasn't well? i mean they to have a duty of caring for him. >> geraldo: you thought they should have seen it, it was that obvious? >> it was that obvious. it really was. and i don't think it is fair to say just blame him because it it was his fault. people pushed him to that. that is how desperate he was. he was in such a state he was pushed far greater than he ever should have been. >> but you know, geraldo, this was a 50-year-old man. that was a man who had a drug dependency problem but sat with aeg and said i can do these concerts. i will put my signature on the

line. i will sign this contract with you. and so aeg -- >> how can you assume that -- >> geraldo: go ahead, susan. >> how you can you assume that he agreed who are how you do you know that he agreed? >> he signed a contract. >> what if he was push youd. he signed it but he was under so much pressure. not just a case of saying i will sign it. he was in dire straits and had no option. >> geraldo: he certainly was. thank you so much. i know how late it is in london right now. i appreciate you coming on. thanks a million. >> thank you. >> geraldo: if the defendant aeg had helped, could michael have been saved from the free fall that the doctor is describing that led to his death? recovering addict and well known author christopher kennedy lofford joins us after this.

were you frustrated in your on attempts to reach out to your own son? >> i tried so many times and i was barred from doing it by the security guards and stuff like that. they wouldn't even let me near him. and then one time i had thought about taking my children backed up to the gate and -- my truck and backing up to the gate and tearing it down. i didn't get a chance to get to him like that. because they kept him like howard hughes isolated. >> what is a family to do when an addict is in freefall like michael jackson was? christopher currently is working with the white house office on drug policy. a best selling author and actor. the latest book is recover to live. and i welcome you onboard, chris, along with diane diamond. what is the family to do. joe complained not just in the the one phone interview but often to me that he was cut off from his son. >> a tough thing to do.

i tell people to throw the rope, don't get in the water and treat themselves. there is very little that you can do for an addict if they are hell bent on destroying themselves and clearly michael was on that trajectory. >> geraldo: do you consider him a classic addict? >> i didn't know him. i mean everything that i hear about him or read about him shows me the signs that, indeed, he was. i understand it from the life that he had to be honest with you to medicate. what it is about is the underlying causes and conditions. what he had to live with as a human being. clearly he was tortured. clearly he was in pain. it is unfortunate that we have to talk about this after he is dead. >> geraldo: what about the con is september that he is as diane pointed out a grown man, 50-year-old man, you know, the company's liability be damned. here is a guy that should have taken care of himself. >> this is a brain illness.

addiction is a brain illness. i interviewed 150 of the smartest people on the planet. this is a serious brain illness. once you know you have it you are responsible for treating it. he did not treat it. and most people that don't treat it either end up you in jail, in an institution, or dead. >> geraldo: what about the responsibility of the company who made the deal with that enentity? >> the company's responsibility he is an ace is set. they have to take care of their asset or not. they insured their asset. their asset died and they are going to get paid. it is americanusiness. that is the way it works. it is unfortunate. my heart goes out to michael jackson who had to put up, god bless him, with that kind of pain for as long as he did. >> geraldo: who could have helped him other than himself? >> nobody. >> you know, geraldo, i had sources telling me about interventions that the family

tried to do at least three interventions that the source was there to see. and there was one right here in new york. and michael jackson looked at his family and said leave me alone, i will be dead in a year. that was 2002. of course, he lived for many years past that. it seemed to me that he had because he was in so much pain and had such terrible childhood he had a death wish of sorts, i think. >> geraldo: i'm not sure. recover to live is christopher kennedy lofford's book. a difference between the addiction to pills or cocaine. >> no difference between behaviorial, chemical addiction. if you have things underlieing that need medication whatever it takes you will find you will med kate. >> geraldo: is caveat emptor when dealing with a junk ie, should people know that you are

not dealing with a straight shooter by definition? >> absolutely. i have friends who deal with relationships with people and say look they are amazing people. we are amazing people underneath. if they don't get into recovery you will never realize that and they will make your life a living hell. >> so michael jackson was he doomed? >> i don't know. he gave us some great music. he gave us the -- the world -- i mean he was brilliant at what he did. he was here for the time that he was here and, you know, i mean it was not all fun and games. >> geraldo: certainly was not. recover to live is your book. thanks for coming on. diane, thanks. >> geraldo: we will give you upyou dates as the trial unfolds. thank the guests and thank you all for watching. havsee you next week. droid recognition. droid powerful.

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