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cash to help military families and this one once belonged to a former president, namely george w. bush, $300,000 sold at auction over the weekend and benefits to fisher house and the national guard challenge. >> that's good. thanks for joining us, everybody. >> "america live" starts right now. >> megyn: fox news alert, warnings from the koreans. with less than 48 hours to the deadline north korea set for diplomates to get out of that country safely. we're now hearing talk after likely missile launch at some point in the next two days. welcome to "america live," i'm megyn kelly. earlier today a top korean official said there's indications that north korea could be preparing for its fourth nuclear test. later he walked those comments back. that minister now claiming that reported movements around the test site of quote, routine. the north korean propaganda
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machine, check this out. shows military dogs attacking a cardboard cutout of the defense minister. is this what they do? seems to be what they do with their weekend time. in pyongyang, military leaders are saying it's no longer a question of if, but when. and there will be questions on the crisis on the korean peninsula and what we're to make of the latest rhetoric. david piper is streaming to us live from seoul, south korea, 30 miles from the border with north korea. david. >> yes, north korea seems to do something every day to raise temperatures here. south korea suggests that it's a plan to grant the world's attention every day and they certainly did it again today here. the pyongyang has announced that it's going to withdraw all its workers from a jointly run industrial complex with the south. a spokesman blamed the closure on provocations from the south
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that made it a theater of confrontation, they said. north korea had barred south korean workers from entering the zone, it had been the last direct communication link between the two koreas. the industrial complex was a major source of hard currency for the isolated regime in the north. south korea defense minister is denying suggestions that a nuclear weapons test from the north was being planned soon. he says reports of movements around the north nuclear test site were routine and not preparations for another test. nevertheless, the international community remains seriously concerned about the currencies here now, escalating further. and the u.n. secretary-general mo moon-- >> possible preparations for a nuclear test by the dprk,
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cannot go on like this way, confronting and challenging t the-- directly challenge all international community. >> reporter: south korea says north korea could test a medium range missile as early as wednesday and it's tracked the movement of two missiles to a test site for north korea's eastern coast and japan says it's put its military on higher alert to protect the country from any missile launch. it's been reported there, that the destroyers with the missile interception systems are now put to sea and south korea sent two war ships to sea and we understand that the u.s. has war ships near guam to protect that u.s. island and also is shipping u.s. defense missile system to have a backup to protect them from any strike by north korea, back to you, megyn. >> megyn: david piper, thank you. we heard threatening warnings
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what could happen if north korea would use its ultimate weapon accidentally or on purpose. vladimir putin saying that nuclear war on the korean peninsula would make chernobyl look like quote, a fairy tale. it's the worst nuclear accident in history. 31 people died, but tens of thousands more are thought to have suffered health damage from the radiation fallout. we are also getting news this hour as the world remembers one of the great political leaders of our time. the iron lady, former british prime minister margaret thatcher, dead today at age 87. a spokesman saying mrs. thatcher died peacefully this morning from complications due to a stroke. you're looking at pictures on the left there of 10 downing street, the prime minister's residence. mrs. thatcher held her office for 11 remarkable years, the longest tenure in that
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country's history. she was the first and only female british prime minister. flags flying today at half staff at buckingham palace, parliament and 10 downing street and queen elizabeth offering a ceremonial funeral at st. paul's cathedral. if you don't know margaret thatcher, what she stood for and how she changed the country. a small sample, in her final speech to parliament back in 1990. >> for the industries we have privatized are now in the top ten british businesses and at the very bottom of the list of 1,000 british businesses lie four nationalized businesses. they consume the wealth others create and give nothing back. what the honorable member is saying that he would rather the poor were poorer provided
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the rich were less rich. and what a policy. yes, he would rather have the poor poorer, provided the rich are less rich. that is the liberal policy. yes, it came out he didn't intend it to, but it did. the centers of history and experience which is sure when principles have to be defended, when good has to be upheld. when evil has to be overcome, then britain will take up arms. >> megyn: and joining me now chris stirewalt, our digital power play and editor power play live. what a woman. my daughter turned one this time last year and about to turn two and i put pictures of strong, female leaders around our house. she's only one-year-old at the time and i thought it might serve as inspiration and no room like that would be complete without a picture of margaret thatcher. >> no, and you think about how much more remarkable it was when she took over her own
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party shathe conservative party no one would have imagined that crusty fussy old bunch, in a party that wasn't doing too well, would be not just a woman, megyn, this is important, not just a woman, but a middle class woman. the grocer's daughter, somebody who was not from a center of power. somebody who had to fight her way in not just because of her gender, but in many ways, more importantly, because of her station of birth and it was remarkable in many ways. her determination, her will, and her fascination with ideas, big ideas, changed not only britain, but changed the world. >> megyn: she was so strong in a time when we weren't that used to seeing strong female leaders, certainly in some of these western countries and sadly, they're too far and few between at the top level, but she made no apologies for who she was or what she stood for. in fact, she was a little in
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your face about it. started looking at some of the quotes, that she became famous for, one of them was from 1984. i go for agreement, agreement for the things i want to do. (laughter) >> well, she knew how to make a deal, too, she was an excellent, excellent politician, but she was iron-willed on those points where she did not choose to negotiate. she was willing, just like ronald reagan did, her counterpart in the united states, when the conservative movement swept into the united states, she was willing to negotiate on some things, but on some principles she held absolutely fast and drove people in her party and out of her party absolutely berserk, but she knew how to do it and she had a tone and the people of her country respected her even when they disagreed with her. >> megyn: one of her great quotes, i came to office with one deliberate intent. from a give it to me, to a do it yourself nation. to a get up and go instead of a sit back and wait for a britain. again, 1984.
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looking here to this country, you write in your power play piece today about whether such particularly a female leader could emerge in 2013 in the good old us of a? >> for the republican party they're always looking for another reagan, where is the next reagan? we need a reagan. well, there aren't any reagans on the horizon of the republican party. he was already famous, a movie star. a two term governor of california, steeped in the conservative movement. the guy, the great communicator and when he broke through in '76 and president in '80 he was a known commodity. and margaret thatcher came out of nowhere, between 1970-75 her rise to power was swift and she rose really from having been prior to that, tasked with education department, kind of a woman's
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work tasking for her, to topple the leader of her party and become the woman in charge and change the way that her party operated. the republicans have to be looking for somebody now. if they wish to remine viable, in this fight they need someone who can emulate thatcher in that sense that they can drive from, whether this is a woman or a man, they can drive from within the party, be driven by the big ideas and this is hugely important for thatcher, demographically not look like the caricature that was made of her party. for republicans whether that's a woman, a hispanic, an african-american, whomever it is, it has to be somebody who says whatever you think my party is, that's not what i'm about. >> megyn: it seems like when you listen to clips of margaret thatcher she was telling you what she believed. she didn't seem like a politician that was full of spin. they all are, but with apologies to o'reilly, she may
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have been the author of the no spin zone. she believed what she believed, she said it, sold it, stood by it. whether you disagreed or agreed, you knew what you were getting and for many, many years the british people agreed with her and she will be missed by them and many others around the world. chris, thank you. >> you bet. >> megyn: a growing question today over how far law enforcement will go to get an arrest after an atm gun sting recruits a brain damaged man to help catch bad guys. we've got that story and plus, adding insult to injury as pastor rick warren beloved by many, many people in this country, finds himself under attack in the wake of his son's suicide. we'll ask a man who knew pastor warren personally someone is treated by such disdain and awfulness as he faces a terrible personal loss. plus, two years ago, vice-president biden thought that fisker cars would prove doubters wrong on america's ability to innovate and now that company just laid off 75%
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>> we've got breaking news out of california right now. we're getting word to actress annette funcello died at age 70, battling multiple sclerosis and she was starting in the 50's, the disney original mickey mouse club and went on to play in teen
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oriented movies in the 1960's and became something of a pop culture icon in this country. and we'll have much more on the debt of annette funicello in moments. yet another taxpayer-backed green energy company is reportedly on the verge of collapse. fisker automotive was backed by 529 million dollars in federal loan guarantees. since then, the company has spent 200 million dollars of that, that means taxpayers may not get that money back and in just the last month, fisker reportedly hired a bankruptcy lawyer, oh, joy, and let go 75% of the work force. in 2009, vice-president joe biden had to say this. >> we're here standing today, proving the beginning of what we're going to be able to say the doubters were wrong about
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our ability to manufacture. >> megyn: oh, boy. you hate to have those things on tape, when you're the person saying them? and it wasn't just members of the administration getting behind the auto maker, celebrities like leonardo dicaprio helping to raise more than a billion dollars in private funds to get behind fisker. alas, it was not to be, lou dobbs. host of lou dobbs tonight on the fox business network. we have to laugh because i mean, it sounds like a shocking failure, but it's not that funny because it involves our money. >> yeah, but you know, the fact is, you might as well laugh, they haven't made a car in over a year. they didn't sell hardly any, except leonardo dicaprio and matt damon and justin bieber got in on the ground floor. and everybody watching and listening right now can feel proud of something and tell their grandchildren they were co-investors with justin
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bieber and leonardo dicaprio. >> megyn: it wasn't fisker's fault. how can they survive when they gave a car for consumer reports to test and it break down on the test track. what chance did it have? >> what chance did they give themselves? >> right. >> zero. in a free market this thing should have blown up, gone away. the investors-- >> why did it fail? >> because they couldn't build a car and make sense of it. they outsourced everything, they didn't own the technology, nothing was proprietary. they were nothing more than an illusion and fiction in the mind of vice-president biden. >> megyn: he seemed enthusiastic. >> he's enthusiastic about a brick wall he's running into. this guy has no clue when he talks about business, economics, and by the way, quite a few of his friends in hollywood apparently in the same condition. we have got to get this government and this
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administration out of picking winners and losers because all they pick are losers. >> megyn: they were connected to some a-123 batteries controversy that went into the fisker car. and we gave them a bunch of loans and they went belly up. >> sure, they went belly up. what's great is the chinese bought a-123 battery after we put about a half billion into it and they've got great technology and they renamed the company, the chinese did, b-456 and people think of the chinese at not having a sense of humor. they're not only smarter than us right now, they're funnier than we are. >> megyn: although this is pretty funny. pretty funny-- wait, no it's not funny at all. >> here is something funny about it, this car was going to be built, originally, in delaware. and they spent a lot of money trying to clean up a plant there where they could work. at the most, that half billion dollar loan guarantee, 1.2 billion dollars, they raised
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from private investors, created at its peak 600 jobs. >> megyn: wow. >> it was a disaster. it was an farce. i won't say it's a scam because i'm sure they intend itted well. >> megyn: they tried. >> they tried. >> megyn: but the market has not been there for a lot of the green energy. the administration says win some, lose some. the green energy portfolio. we're on the winning side and we're not going to hit pay dirt on every one. >> that's funny. it's like this administration saying it's open and transparent. i've looked at the winners and the losers, i can't find the winners, i cannot find the winners at all. and it's-- you know, if anyone, the energy would like to clear it up for me, it would be helpful if you could tell me where any spectacular success has arisen as a result of the investment by the doe. because what i see is an absolute waste of 16 billion dollars under this program. >> megyn: their big car was
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called the karma. >> yeah, bad karma. i did it before you did. >> megyn: thank you, lou. see you tonight on "lou dobbs tonight" tonight". >> megyn: and that 1960's movie star annette funicello has died and trace gallagher will join us live after the break on the new details we just learned about that. plus, as a scandal of the foul-mouthed couch now threatens the president of rutgers university. we'll ask our own dr. ablow about why he thinks american culture is to blame in part for what happened on that court and why he believes this case and much of the nation's obsession with sports is completely pointless. (blee (bleep), (bleep), (bleep). okay, team! after age 40, we can start losing muscle -- 8% every 10 years. wow. wow. but you can help fight muscle loss
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. >> trace: fox news alert out of california. >> megyn: we're learning more about the death of actress annette funicello. we're told she died peacefully at age 70 due to complications from multiple sclerosis, she battled that disease for years, trace. >> trace: annette funicello is part of the cultural landscape ands i grew up, the "beach blanket bingo" time and she's one of the original members of mickey mouse club and other co-star frankie valley and remember them. "beach blanket bingo" and "bikini beach party", there she is as a mouseketeer. she was asked to come and audition for the mouseketeers
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and she became one and they say, without her there would be no miley cyrus, no selena gomez and contracted it disney the better part of 20 years and the playing in "monkey's uncle", "the shaggy dog". >> and the beach party movies and came out in 1992 saying she had multiple sclerosis and started a foundation to raise a great deal of money for that. in the last five or six years of her life, it was horrible. she was confined to a wheelchair and we were told that she had trouble seeing, in fact, some said that she was blind. and had to use oxygen to actually breathe. last year, her home was destroyed by a fire and she was in a wheelchair, and barely got out, and we're told today that she finally succumbed to her illness, multiple sclerosis, age 70,
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bakersfield, megyn, maybe two, two and a half hours from where we are right here, but a legend for television and movies. annette funicello dead at age 70 years old. >> megyn: she brought so much happiness and each clip no matter how old, she was adorable, and somebody you wanted to touch and know and spend time with. and add my good friend janice dean who has publicly said many times she also has m-s, says that the drugs for this disease have gotten much, much better in the past five to ten years and in fact, back when annette was diagnosed with it were nowhere near what they are to day. and trace. >> trace: we had frankie avalon up there, in the picture. a dear friend. she was in the movies with frankie valley, but that's frankie avalon, apologies for that, but they were great friends, and the original jersey boys, and annette
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funicello, a legacy that's still playing today in many parts of the country. >> megyn: god bless her. trace, thank you. >> trace: yeah. >> megyn: coming up, it may be the definition of adding insult to injury as pastor rick warren, beloved by so many in this country and helped by so many in this country, bizarrely finds himself under attack after his youngest son commits suicide. we'll ask a man who knew pastor warren personally why someone is treated with such disdain at a time of such deep personal loss. what does that say about some in this country? and a mystery involving a master painter deepens today. oh, this is a good case. after one woman winds up buying a renoir for $7 at a flea market, okay? kelly's court looks at who rightfully owns this work of art. now she says she's a good faith purchaser of a piece of art work that turns out was stolen, but did she he or
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>> president obama is leaving the white house shortly to make a new push for gun control in connecticut. well, today's push will be in connecticut, pushing for legislation on the federal level and that legislation is running into new trouble on capitol hill. president obama will deliver a speech tonight at the university of hartford, just 50 miles from sandy hook elementary where lone gunman murdered 20 small children and 6 educators in december. one of his victims little james mattioli who would have turned 7 years old last month and today his father joins us live to talk about why he believes what we need in this country is not another gun control law, and what he does believe is the answer for us going forward. we are honored to have mark mattioli with us in our next hour. please stay tuned for that. well, mega church pastor rick warren finding himself under
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attack in the wake of the tragic death of his own son. 27-year-old matthew warren took his own life friday evening after battling years of depression. in a written statement, pastor warren said of his son, quote, in spite of america's best doctors, meds, counselors and prayers for the healing the torture of mental illness never subsided. today after a fun evening with kay and me in a momentary wave of despair in his home he took his life. yet at this tragic time the pastor has been scorned and attacked for his faith and his beliefs. i mean, the vitriol online directed at pastor warren right now is nothing short of shocking. it's disgusting. and it's hard to understand. joining me now to help is tony perkins president of the family research council and fox news contributor father jonathan morris. just, look, i'm not going to
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give a voice to the haters, because, boy, oh, boy, these are people really in a dark place, taking shots at pastor warren, at his son and to a large extent, it seems to focus on his religious beliefs around the topic of among others, gay marriage. pastor warren doesn't believe in gay marriage and yet, those who do, not all of them, but some, seem to use this occasion, father morris, as excuse to take a terrible shot at the family. your thoughts on it? >> that's right, i have seen a lot of that, megyn, and i've also seen accusations at him that he's a hypocrite because he's preached that god has an answer to suffering, that god has a solution to senseless life and yet, his own son died in this way. those are ridiculous, nasty, tasteless and very sad responses. pastor warren has been a great man for our country. he's offered a faithful and
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also a rational and love-filled voice of reasoning. and i see that even he relates to someone like me who differs on some theological issues, he's a friend to me, wrote a forward on my last book and invited me he to his church, something a lot of evangelical pastors would do, they would say he's different than me. he has been a loving, rational, faith-filled voice and he's going to deal with the great suffering, perhaps the greatest suffering any person can endure, the death of a child. >> megyn: you know, tony perkins, i know, you go to the internet, if you want to find hate look up some anonymous postings on the internet, it can happen on any given subject in any given day. but you think in some countries maybe some things of inviolate, the birth of a baby, the loss of a child and again i'm not going to get into the specifics. one example only.
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i'm sure they earned their suffering. warren is a monster. your thoughts on this? >> well, megyn, i was out actually camping with my family this weekend and got an e-mail from someone close to rick saturday morning telling me about it, and our family's been praying for them over the weekend. i can only imagine the father of five children, really, the pain and suffering and the grieving, but you made a point. there was a time in this country when, as a country, even though we differed on ideologically, politically we would take a break when someone suffered such a great tragedy. you're right, what is being said about pastor warren, i don't agree with him on everything, probably a lot more than i disagree, we've worked with him on a number of things, like pep far, he did a the lot of work in africa when it came to aids and very upfront, as a result of his work and his example, i began being involved in honduras with an orphanage to aids
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children, parents died from aids. he's done so much to mitigate the consequences, things that have been associated with promiscuity and yet, those very people have been some of the ones who said the most hateful and vicious things about him and i think, let's take a timeout and we're all a part of the human race, and we ought to grieve for just a moment, if not longer, for a parent who's lost a child, who was tormented through mental illness. i just know they've dealt with this for a number of years and it happens. let's pray for rick and kay and the entire family and the congregation. >> megyn: you know, father morris, there was an interesting op-ed in the washington times today and it says in part, whether you believe that rick warren is an honest minister, a fallen minister or a religious charlton, it's a rejection of all that makes humanity beautiful or the object of god's love to take joy in the pain of the warren family. >> that's so true and even the suggestion that he's a
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charlton or that he's a fake doesn't match up with the facts. this is a man who take a salary from the church and 90% of earnings from his own books and give them to his foundation for the poor. so, the effects of anonymous posting of the internet going after him and taking advantage in a weak time is despicable. there is a good solution given the fact we're living in the world of new media, megyn, that is we have an opportunity to put all of those negative comments into con fltext by sharing had your love for him, for matthew, for the families out there who suffer the terrible, terrible suffering of mental illness. we can go on and make posts. we can go on and share our love for humanity and for the warren family particularly in this moment, that's the good news of these tough times. >> megyn: tony, what do you make of it? because obviously, a lot of
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people thought -- think that pastor warren is on the other side of the gay marriage issue, you can relate to him in this way, not being the wrong side, i'm not passing a judgment, but you also oppose gay marriage and have been the subject of attacks and it seems like some, not all, but some 67 those who want tolerance and acceptance, in their effort to get it, are very willing to pass judgment, alienate, attack, and go about it in a way that may be undermining the very thing they seek. >> absolutely. and i think you're absolutely correct. just to show a little bit of human compassion to a parent who has lost a child would go a long way in showing that there -- that they just want to be accepted in a joy -- i first heard rick almost 25 years ago at southern baptist convention when he was an upstart pastor there and started saddleback. they were still meeting in schools. i've gotten to know him personally. he came to louisiana, my home state, when we had katrina and
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pulling pastors together. he's been part of the family research council to push this through congress, to get funding to help aids, and you know, he's done everything i believe that a christian leader could do to show both the truth and the love of christ. and i think what he would say right now if he were responding, you know what? i still love you and there is-- there is hope and peace for you in jesus and i do hope at some point we can sit down and talk. i think that's what he would say. >> megyn: yeah. >> but i know they're grieving and i would just encourage folks to pray for them. sometimes, there are sometimes, megyn, even as a follower of jesus christ, there are some things we cannot explain and thing this is one of those cases. >> megyn: absolutely, and he makes a profound point about mental illness and the toll it can take on individuals in this country. father morris, tony perkins, thank you both so much. >> thanks, megyn. >> megyn: well, coming up we hear new anger over a foul-mouthed coach at rutgers
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university. dr. keith ablow joins us suggesting the nation of sports, you being a sports fan, is completely pointless. (bleep). ♪
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iota. why do you say that? >> look, the blogs up at foxnews.com in opinion and why i say that is this, megyn, we've gone too far overboard. if mike rice was a math teacher with incredibly gifted math students, and saw him hitting them. throwing things at him, yelling slurs at them. and he'd been sued, fired, and would be gone. we're so obsessed this sports culture our passions, we give them to the teams that we can't see fact for fiction anymore. m manti te'o, we believe he's in love with a woman and he's on the gridiron. >> megyn: we're not supposed to be learning, teamwork, leadership dedication in math. supposed to learning math, math logical reasoning and figuring out problems. on the sports field we are supposed to be learning those
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extra things. there are roles for sports in the eyes of many parents and kids, different aspects of character. >> i absolutely agree and the title of the piece was a bit for effect. and we've got to rethink this. yes, if bobby orr symbolized courage for me as a kid, yes, he did. and muhammad ali? yes, he did. but here is the thing, we shouldn't be having a third of our daily newspapers with the coverage of games, when we face north korea weaponizing itself in a nuclear way and our economy is crumbling. these games have become an addiction, a replacement for focusing on things that matter much, much more. >> megyn: by the way, the title of the piece for folks wondering "sports don't matter, not one iota." what you said in the first answer, we give away our passions. the sports fans give away their passions and in your
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piece, you write about how much we need to be ceaselessly entertained and how much many of us are willing to settle, settle for being fans. explain that. >> my s hockey and i want him to learn about sportsmanship and courage and what it takes to dig deep, but what i don't want him to do is to simply idolize folks because in this day of media coverage and technology that blows everything up larger than life, it's easy to say, i'm not going to play at all. i'm not going to look into myself for that winning goal. i'm not going to decide, hey, look, i'm much more about politics or the economy, i'm just going to use my enthusiasm for this game as a kind of distraction and that's what they've become, a distraction. they're crowding out the news of the day that matters how much more and for giving people. and michael vick, everyone is cheering this guy on as a quarterback. he staged dog fights where beautiful animals were ripped to shreds. that's craziness.
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>> megyn: and you say we do that because we're so did h desperate for our spiritual deflation, in general, how we're feeling in this country. >> absolutely, we've got to dial it back and dial ourselves up, what we know to be true in our souls, our love of courage and leadership shall personally, individually we have to do that and we have to be very careful to not let sports at the college level, the high school level encroach upon valuable talents and availabilities that other students should be be applauded for. not everybody is out performing on the basketball court and truly, i mean it, who wins that game? most games, almost every game, other than the russians and americans and the olympic hockey tournamentments, things like that, it doesn't matter at all. it's irrelevant. >> megyn: and yet, you talked about how we've gotten to the point where we idealize the sports figures and coaches and what we saw at penn state, a child rape scandal swept under the rug because many believed they want today give a pass to
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these gods of college football who, you know, put wins on the board. and then there's coach rice, who you say thought he mattered -- thought he was a big deal and like so many sports coaches across the country who believe that about themselves, whether it's your son's little league or daughter's little league or you know, rutgers basketball, he really didn't. he didn't matter that much. >> they're nice people, it's a nice job. i'm glad somebody wants to coach my son and is pretty good at it, that's a wonderful thing. are those guys curing cancer, no. could a great coach on the football field end a leading an army to defeat a communist nation and what we have? not necessarily at all. these are relatively meager positions that we have blown up all out of proportion. why? because we've got stadiums and tons of money behind it and lots of twitter feeds. we're losing ourselves in these games. >> megyn: dr. keith ablow, food for thought as we see our
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children pushed more and more to win, win, win, at all levels of athletics, from pee-wee football on up. thanks for your piece posted at foxnews.com. >> thanks, megyn. >> megyn: hundreds of americans, warriors demanding the administration answer all questions about benghazi. one of them is here live. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before youegin an aspirin rimen. it can happen to anyone. talk to your doctor. departure. hertz gold plus rewards also offers ereturn-- our fastest way to return your car. just note your mileage and zap ! you're outta there ! we'll e-mail your receipt in a flash, too. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz. [ male announcer ] purpose elevates what we do. raises it to a more meaningful place. makes us live what we do, love what we do and fills our work with rewarding possibility.
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> >> superstar power couple beyonce and jay-z, face tough questions whether they vile lated u.s. law on a trip to cuba? who is upset about this and why? >> you see the cigar that jay-z was smoking. they're not trying to hide anything. they were celebrating their fifth wedding anniversary.
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the problem is americans are not allowed to go to cuba as a tourist. if you're not, you're required to fill out paper work, a lot of it. detail the trip and get permission and clearly that did not happen and now cuba is using the pictures your he' watching right now to promote tourism. the two g.o.p. lawmakers who represent many cuban-americans in south florida, we're talking about mario diaz volart and ileana ros-lehtinen, what kind of permits they had and the castro regime is behind six decades of astrotrocitieatrocit restrictions on tourism, common sense measures to prevent u.s. dollars from a murderous regime. and jeff blake says, so, beyonce and jay-z are in cuba,
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fine by me. every american should have the right to travel there. the obama administration lifted some travel, that deals with educational exchange, but you're not allowed to go there as a tourist. and by the way, beyonce and jay-z, shown as sean carter, no comment at all so far on this. >> megyn: you know, this is the disadvantage of flying private. now? when you try to get on the american airlines jet to cuba, somebody stops you, no, we don't go there anywhere. in your own private plane it's a different story. trace, thank you. >> trace: sure. >> megyn: well, little james mattioli would have turned seven years old last month if a gunman had not opened fire in his sandy hook elementary classroom. today his father joins us live to talk about why his plan for america in the wake of newtown has little to nothing to do with new gun control laws and what he thinks of the president's trip to connecticut to make that final push today. and hundreds of warriors are
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september 11th 2012 be provided and that the american public be fully informed on the egregious attack on the facilities. and we howe that to the american people and the families of the fallen. that included the ambassador and three others. >> this letter first obtained by fox news is pushing the house for a special select committee to investigate the terror attack. the founder of special operations tells fox news why it still matters. >> this has been slow-rolled as we say in the air force. if we wait long enough, maybe it will go away, but we owe the truth to the american people and particularly, the families of the fallen. >> reporter: the letter includes 16 points of investigation from the well-documented warnings before the attack to the real-time decision making of president obama, secretary clinton and the defense department on the night of september 11th. the letter also reads in part,
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quote, america has always held to the notion that no american will be left behind and that every effort will be made to respond when u.s. personnel are threatened. given our backgrounds we're concerned it send a negative message to diplomatic personnel. and the mother of specialist sean smith who worked at the state commission and backs the committee because she says the families are still in the dark. >> why is my son dead? when they were supposedly watching all this in real-time, my son is dead, then hours later, the seals got it. i don't understand why the government is doing that to people. >> and in the letter, an aide, telling the committees are investigating benghazi and will hold the white house accountable for the actions. and speaker boehner met with the oversight and foreign
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affairs committee and staffers are running their own investigation and plan to put together a joint report in a matter of weeks and not months. what's not clear whether this new push by so many special operations vets is going to change any minds on the hill. >> megyn: thank you. you heard from one of the special-ops vets who signed the letter and special-ops speak. why did you think it was important to send this letter? >> because the hearings that have been held, megyn, so far have not asked the right questions. they've asked some of the questions, but particularly during the-- during the time that those eight hours that the embassy-- not the embassy, it's not an embassy, it wasn't even a consulate, that the special mission facility was under attack, we need to know why? why weren't the force that is were capable of coming in and
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if not delaying the attack, stopping the attack, utilized? we had them available, we had them in europe. that could have been there in several hours. we had fighter aircraft that come come in and kept their heads down within less than two hours, we had a number of things that we could have done to thwart the attack if not stop it and we didn't because this administration is, what i would call risk averse and we will not do anything unless we know all the information. 100% knowledge, that never happens in special operations. >> megyn: is this a political vendetta, for lack of a better word, because of so many people who don't want to see benghazi looked into any further, who feel it's been investigated enough, say the only people who are pushing for more answers are the people who have it out for president obama? >> not at all. not at all. what special operations speaks and the 700 veterans that have
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signed this letter from lieutenant general, three star level to caporales, these are folks that have been involved in rescue operations. one of the signers is lieutenant general leroy manner who left the p.o.w. prison camp attempts, the prisoners weren't there, but we made the attempt and that made a difference because our prisoners in north vietnam were moved all-together instead of separate cells and morale soared. and we also, that's what we do in special-ops we move to the sounds of the guns. if you don't have a plan you get going to the operational area and make up a plan. there are things we could have done. we had in extremist forces, commanders in extremist forces, doing counterterrorism exercises in croatia and that could have ingressed and stopped the attack. >> megyn: i'm reading the
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questions you're asking, do you expect negligence or incompetence on behalf of those in command? some of the questions to give an example, who gave the order to stand down that was heard repeatedly during the attacks. why did the commander-in-chief and the secretary of state never once check in during the night to find out the status of the crisis situation in benghazi? >> yes, i think that has political overtones. two, fact revealed, if you had seen the-- if you had seen the senate armed services committee when senator ayotte asked for yes he or no answers whether or not president obama checked in over night to see how the ambassador was doing, the answers from both gentlemen dempsey, no. and given to hillary clinton. and that was an attempt to promote the arab spring-- you have to realize all of this is happening before the
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election, so i think there was an attention a intentional message not to use dod forces and i think the answer lies in the american military. because 12 to 16 command centers were alerted and were listening within an hour of the attack and were watching from the overhead reconnaissance drone. reports were being generated, sit-reps, situation reports. and it's a matter of record that people knew what was going on. several hundred people were watching this happen and their hands were tied behind their back. you must know that our special-ops forces are trained to go in in just a situation like this. >> megyn: final question for you, colonel. >> there was a meeting called by john boehner, the house speaker about among others, house committees of intel, oversight foreign affairs and john kerry, and kelly ayotte, and lindsey graham, outspoken on benghazi and have not been generous what happened when it
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comes to this administration and determined not to go with the select committee and decide today coordinate and pool their findings, but so why do you think something more, something different needs to be done? >> well, one indicator to me is that i have it from good authority, a source that n nondisclosure agreements, saying you won't talk about things if it's classified or in this case, if it it isn't classified, those are circulating among key agencies. probably there have been orders given to shut up and color, i guess is the way we would say it today. and also, there have been some polygraphs administered in certain intelligence agencies routinely. the coverup is still going on as far as the special-ops community is concerned. we're less concerned with the obvious blatant screwups, if
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you will, on security for the special mission compound, but we're more importantly focused on the reason why we were never called to provide the backup, to check six, to send the message to the rest of our military that we will come and get you, we will make an attempt to rescue you when you're in an extremist situation. >> megyn: colonel, thank you very much for being here and thank you for your service as well. >> thank you, megyn. my pleasure. >> megyn: we've got a fox news extreme weather alert for you. millions of folks across the country watch for what could be dangerous and life threatening storms. the nation's mid section under a severe weather risk today through wednesday. with forecasters warning about tornados, damaging winds, and large hail. the worst storms are expected tomorrow. blizzard conditions are expected in the west where parts of new mexico, nebraska and montana could see up to a foot of snow. we'll have an update from the weather center in just a bit.
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well, a mystery involving a master painter today. a woman claims that she bought this renoir for $7 at a flea market not knowing it was real. now, she's in court trying to get it and get the proceeds because the museum says, no, no, no, that was stolen from us back in the 50's and we're he the rightful owners. the insurance company that paid the claim thinks its the rightful owner and now there's a major twist in the case when it comes to the woman who claims she got it at the flea market. don't miss today's kelly's court. plus, we're tracking developing news out of egypt today where at least five people are dead after weekend riots and attack on that country's largest cathedral. up next, why we're not hearing more about the christians under attack again in egypt. and james mattioli would have turned seven years old last month if a gunman had not opened fire on his newtown school room. his father joins us live in his first major interview
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>> we are tracking developing news from egypt today where a weekend fighting muslims and christians left at least six people dead and came to a head with attack on egypt's largest cathedral. and everyone from amnesty international, calling for better protection on egypt's christian minority. why aren't we hearing this more from washington? ambassador, why aren't we? >> well, i don't think it suits the obama administration
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to talk about this problem. they have gone out of their way to try to favor the morsi administration in egypt. secretary of state john kerry recently released 250 million dollars of economic assistance, while he was there. and this tension between the christians and the morsi government highlights a real problem with the muslim brotherhood rule in egypt. this is the worst violence since morsi took office, and it heralds not only possible sectarian conflict between coppices and the muslim brotherhood, but egypt more broadly. >> we're told that the problems pre-dated president morsi. when he came into office, a new regime and we weren't going to see this kind of thing. kirsten, not only has nothing changed, it may have gotten worse and when they complain
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to the local precinct and targeted and so on, are told, don't complain, you're just going to get it worse. >> it's true under mubarak, it's not like it's a walk in the park to be a christian and egypt. he was a secular leader and he did crack down pretty hard on the more radical elements, the radical islamic elements in the society and these are the people doing attacks on the christians. that's one thing that's different, they're not being cracked down on as much. morsi has come out a couple of times and done a few things here and there. but for the most part, it's not, it's not treated seriously. the police are not offering protection and they will stand by, the new york times did just report on the latest attacks and as they reported, the police just sort of stood by and let it happen. >> and this is a minority group, the christians in egypt that has no one to turn to, if
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the police stand there with their arms folded and giving good lip service to this, ambassador bolten. he came out last night and said he told an orthodox pope, any attack on the cathedral is like an attack on me. but he's got nothing much to crack down. >> christians have been for hundreds of years, going back to the time of christ itself. bu tro butrosbutros galli, a prime minister, and what we've seen is over 100,000 coptics fleeing, they're not looking at whether it's a islamists
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group, i'm afraid it may auger worse. >> megyn: egyptians disapprove of leadership 52% to 17% there and there was a long bloom r bloomberg piece that talks about how many egyptians believe that america is not doing enough to curb the islamic government's authoritarian leanings, especially given the amount of money we give egypt every year. >> of course we're not. to say we're not doing enough suggests we're doing something. the reality is, from the very beginning, the obama administration and most of the american media, frankly, bought into this idea about the muslim brotherhood being this secular group that we didn't really have to be worried about, despite the fact that everybody knows that, you know, that-- that their campaign slogan is
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allah is the answer. they're not secular, whatever you think about this. i'm anti-theocracy, all theocracies, and i think that the fact that the united states is giving them so much money and not really calling on them to curb this kind of violence and this kind of discrimination against christians is a problem. >> megyn: they showed no inclination to do it internally. despite the rhetoric. panel, thank you both. >> thank you. >> megyn: up next, why did the a tch atf turn to a man who was mentally challenged to help selling guns in a sting and charge him with federal crimes? plus, we're getting words that america's navy looks like something out of "star wars" and we'll show you what that means and how. if there was a pill
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>> president obama leaving the white house at the top of the hour to make a final push for federal gun control. to understand's remarks from hartford, connecticut where the president will deliver a speech tonight 50 miles from sandy hook elementary school whereof course lone gunman murdered 20 children and 6 adults including james mattioli who would have turned seven. in minutes, james' father will join us live in his first interview to discuss his opposition to the president's plan and why he believes the push for gun control is focused on the wrong thing. from the folks at alcohol, tobacco and firearms are now in the middle of a new controversy in a gun running sting this time in milwaukee. we're getting reports that
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agents use add man described as brain damaged to set up gun deals and ended up bringing charges against that 28-year-old man. and now there's anger and an investigation from washington. trace gallagher. >> trace: and they set up a store front in milwaukee that served as an undercover sting operation so they could catch people buying illegal guns and drugs, right? and one of the main goals was to get back a machine gun that had been stolen from an atf agent's car. they needed someone to get the word out so they hired the 28-year-old man, chauncey wright as to guy to go out and send ott flyers and set up small gun and drug deals. he did all that have. now, he was going out and spreading the word, trying to get this stuff done. the problem is, atf agent were involved in the scam, they didn't realize he was mentally challenged and his iq was 50. half the normal person. in exchange for his services
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they paid him things like cigarettes, merchandise and $50 a month and the family says the only reason he did it and stayed doing it because he wanted to please his employers and keep his job. when they shut down, they arrested him on federal drug and weapons charges. advocates for mentally challenged people say this is unacceptable quoting here, that's judge hugely inappropriate. it's he no different than using a kid. they have to have known after working with him for more than a couple of hours. well, atf has now launched an internal investigation and doj is considering investigating this case. aside from employing a mentally challenged man to break the law, the store that we're talking about got robbed of $40,000, did not arrest any big fish, never even got their machine gun back and the only thing they really got out this have was to arrest chauncey wright. prosecutors have looked at this case, chauncey wright is
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set to be sentenced in june and now recommending that he get probation because of all of this and there could be several investigations into this entire sting operation and the like. megyn. >> megyn: unbelievable. trace, thank you. >> trace: okay. >> megyn: well, last night, cbs news' 60 minutes featured a group of newtown parents talking about gun control. up next, right after this break, we will be joined by the father of little james mattioli. james would have turned seven last month and his father believes that the prevention of these tragedies has little to do with passing new gun laws. and he will tell us what he does believe we need right after this break. >> just one more law, i don't care if you named it james' law, i don't want it. i want responsible legislation. it needs to be simple, it needs to be enforced. it has to have a tenet individual accountability. ♪
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>> well, in less than a half hour, president obama is expected to depart the white house for connecticut. he will give a speech on gun control as we hear the senate may still not have the votes to pass the bill the president wants. he will appear about an hour's drive from newtown, connecticut, the site of the sandy hook school shooting in december. and when the president heads back to washington, some newtown families, we are told, will be with him on air force one. many of these families have been outspoken in their calls for a nationwide ban on the kind of weapons used in the
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newtown massacre. david wheeler, who lost his own 6-year-old son ben in an emotional appeal on 60 minutes last night. >> we have an obligation to our children to do this for them. and it's going to happen again. it is going to happen again. and every time, you know, it's somebody else's school. it's somebody else's town. it's somebody else's community, until one day, you wake up and it's not. >> megyn: well, while united in their grief, the newtown families are not unanimous when it comes to the push for new gun control laws. mark mattioli whose son james would have turned several last month, says the focus needs to be on something else. he's with me now in the studio. and thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> megyn: in washington those
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families last night on 60 minutes, it was incredible to see their strength and their ability to even just function in this world, four months after their children were so suddenly and terribly killed. let's just start with that. how are you managing to function in this world right now? >> well, i'm broke n, devastated, drowning in grief, but even though each week that goes by is becoming not necessarily easier, i'm compelled to participate in this debate because i'm not hearing a voice that's really agreeing with me. i believe there are tens of millions of people out there who agree that gun control isn't necessarily the solution, but perhaps that's the way to avoid some of the sadness, to participate in the
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debate, i don't know. >> megyn: and you are right because so many of the newtown families have joined in the push for gun control and certainly you respect their opinions and beliefs about what needs to happen out of this tragedy, but you feel very differently. why do you feel that gun control and the push for any one of these bills we're seeing right now, is not the way to go? >> well, you know, perhaps you've heard the term before, but i feel it's a false premise. gun control works for people who abide by the laws. criminals who conduct most of the gun crime don't care about the law. they won't look up the connecticut law to see how many guns, how many bullets have to be in the magazine that they're supposed to register with the state police at some point in the future, once they come up with a blueprint for how to administer that. >> megyn: and yet, some of the parents made the point to 60 minutes that still they could be slowed down, the law could slow the future killers down by limiting the magazine clips
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available to them and perhaps that could have made a difference in newtown. talking about you know, how he had to reload and how 11 kids managed to escape the classroom when the killer there reloaded and why wouldn't we limit magazines on the federal level in the wake of that knowledge? >> all right, so, again, false premise in that they're not talking about confiscating the magazines, they're out there. if we were starting out at point a and there were no magazines, but we're not talking about that. there are millions, tens of millions out this and criminals aren't going to hand them back. why should i be hampered in protecting myself when someone could come to my home and outgun me? should i feel safer because new york criminals will only be loading seven bullets in their 15 round magazines? i don't think so. >> megyn: what do you believe these lawmakers need to be focused on? >> the lawmakers, they write
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law and hammer every problem looks like a nail and that's what they do. i didn't have much optimism about what they were going to bring through after what they did with the chesire home invasion. all they did was repeal the death penalty. there's no accountability for your actions. i believe accountability, enforcement of existing laws. i talked to the u.s. attorney, david fine for connecticut, and i said, you know, increase mandatory minimum sentences on gun related crime. that does it, you don't need a new law, you need to enforce the laws that you have. >> megyn: i know you've spoken among other topics about parental responsibility and how important that is and i want to ask you specifically, is that a reference to nancy lanza, and do you hold her responsible, accountable in any way for this crime? >> you know, it's been four months and for most of that time i've been quite charitable toward her, didn't give the why and how, much. we all know who, what, when and where, but, yes, it is --
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i do hold her accountable. there's a massive failure in parenting and things could have gone so much better if she had been a responsible parent and i think in light of the tragedy, there's so much that can be shared about parenting, i'm learning more, and i think that should be spread across the country, just focus on your kids. there's no more important job, nurturing loving, being present and positive force in their life. >> megyn: and the mental health system which you feel has been all, but ignored in the wake of newtown? >> there's so much that they're missing the boat here and i fear that the political forces are focusing on gun control when major failing in mental health initiatives. so, in connecticut, the governor's talking about we need mental health and they're proposing a task force and yet, he's slashing the budget to hospitals by 550 million dollars. so they're the ones who treat mental illness and they
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diagnose and treat it. how are they supposed to do that when the dollars are taken out of their system? it just makes no sense. >> many of the newtown families seem to suggest that they will be heard and seem to be implying that if this doesn't get done at the federal level, it will be an affront to the newtown families and they will to push for it. i mean, if you could speak to these lawmakers directly who are going to look at this federal bill this week, what would you say? >> two things, really. one would be i given this situation a seat at the table and i've been in the room and they are approaching this in a very incremental way. they will take what they can get and take and take and take so i would caution legislators be wary of that. second, i feel like in connecticut he when you watch the hearings, the legislative session, there is this group-think that's taking place, they're suspended reason and critical analysis when those are what we need of
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these legislators to make reasoned stigsdecisions about t second amendment and other things that affect our liberties here. it's just unbelievable. >> megyn: it's hard when you look at the grieving parents, including yourself, who are asking you to do something, to not do it. you know, i think most of us our instinct is anything anybody can do to ease your grief or their grief in any way, we're in favor of, but there is a split on what that outcome should be. i want to take you back, if i can, just briefly to december 14th of last year. some of the parents speaking to scott pelley of 60 minutes talked about that day which we covered on "america live" as it was happening and talked about how they were looking for their kids, searching for their kids and i haven't heard you discuss that, but i just want the viewers to hear what some parents had to say and get your reaction, if you're willing, mark. stand by. >> and then i got a text i
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have isaiah, but i don't have my -- so i was driving with my friend back to sandy hook and i just kept texting, 10 or 15 seconds. anna, question mark. and then anna exclamation point because we had isaiah. i didn't understand why he we didn't have anna. i just kept looking thinking when am i going to see dylan, see miss soto or any of the kids from his classroom and everyone was just going home and -- you just don't know what you're supposed to do, or who to talk to because no one had all the information and then it just started to be fewer and fewer parents and kids in the room and then they asked everyone who was left to come to one of the back rooms. >> and looking at jimmy, i don't want to go in that back
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room. i don't want to go in that back room because i know what the back room meant. in my heart, as a mother, i knew what the back room meant. >> megyn: did you go in that back room? >> yes. >> megyn: what happened back there, mark? >> well, first, you know, similarly i arrived and able to find my daughter and through the mayhem, it was, people all offer the place, trying to find their kids and teachers trying to keep the kids calm. in the back room, that was sort of, okay, they've already found the parents for the kids who are there. let's go put your name on a list and wait and see what comes. it was just very surreal. i have a-- there are moments from that experience burned in my brain that people's faces in the room and so forth. but not much more i can say about that. >> megyn: and in the days
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after that, i know you've done a lot of self-examination about what is your global responsibility now, how do you make your life matter, your son's life matter. how do you make this world a better place. >> yeah, this is -- this is the enormity of this loss is just starting to reveal itself. an easter egg hunt, a trip to the dentist, but i had a plan for how to make this world better. my son was a big part of that plan. all i can say. >> megyn: mark, thank you so much for being here. all the best to you and your beautiful little boy. we'll be right back. ♪
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>> we're still recovering in the studio from the emotional interview with that beautiful man. and he told he would come on six weeks ago and he wanted for a significant news event and the president's final push for gun control and he and we believe met that criterion and also want to mention the website that mark wanted to promote which is mysandyhookfamily fund.com. and that's who help all the families. while they're divided on gun control, but they're united in their grief and could use your hope. on that note, we've got to lighten up, as human beings, we've got to have the emotional journal i and then laughter through the tears.
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and kelly's court. the legal drama over a piece of fine art that they believe now was stolen from a museum. here is what happened. it wound up being sold at a west virginia flea market for $7. marsha says she bought it, a napkin-sized painting of french painter renoir and said she bought it for $7 in 2009. great deal, right? two years later she had it authenticated and she planned to sell it at auction, $75,000. and records showed up, showing it had been stolen from a baltimore museum more than 60 years ago. the feds swooped in and seized the painting and the museum says it was stolen from them, they say they want it back and then the insurance company, which paid a $2500 claim on the theft when the museum filed the claim back all those years ago, the insurance company says it's the rightful owner. poor marsha says i'm the one
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that bought it at a flea market, it belongs to me. who is right. joining us legal analyst lis ehl and mark eiglarsh former prosecutor and defense attorney. i love this case, it's such a mystery and then there's a big twist when it comes to marsha. all right? so we'll get to that. lis, your fake client is marsha. flea market purchaser, she claims. >> alleged. >> and i identify with marsha, i have a picasso at home at the dining room i got for $4 and i believe it's a picasso. >> megyn: it's a poster, but-- nice frame, looks good. marsha went to the flea market, got the painting home. spent $7 for ownership is 99-- a law is 99% ownership so she owns that. the insurance company, by the way, if they really wanted that painting back, should have been more diligent getting it back, they weren't, megyn, it's her painting and she gets the reward.
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>> megyn: all right. so, if she bought it at the flea market, even if it was stolen from the museum, mark, let's say it was genuinely stolen from the museum by somebody and marsha was a good faith purchaser at the flea market does she get it. >> well, if she's an innocent owner. that apparently is not what the insurance company is alleging, lis' fake client is claiming, i have a quote, lay person's understanding of art. not exactly. you see, for about two decades, your mother ran an art studio from your house and you not only helped her, but you participated in the lectures involving painting and art history. your mother, apparently, specialized in reproductions of famous artists, including renoir. so, this whole thing like i'm being framed like the mona lisa, i'm not buying and also, what the brother said. should we get to that. >> megyn: that's the killer, that's the killer. that's the killer because --
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i'm going to let mark tee that up. all right, so her mom had connections to the art world. that doesn't mean anything. but the brother's testimonial tell us something, mark, tell us about the brother what he says. >> oh, it does, should i read the quote exactly. >> megyn: go for it. >> apparently the post called the house and he said, my mother's had that painting for a long time, 50 or 60 years, he says. my girlfriend and her friend were cleaning out my mom's studio and my sister stepped in and said, quote, wow, i want this. all i know is my sister didn't go to a flea market and buy it. my sister kind of snagged it out of my mom's art studio. lis, you can withdraw at any time. >> megyn: not good for marsha. >> not good for marsha, a brother mad at his sister, wants money or a side deal. >> megyn: and he since retracted or somebody has retracted it claiming that wasn't in fact the brother who made that comment.
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so we're not sure exactly-- >> her real brother said this or not. >> all makes sense now. and someone else answered the phone and gave that kind of detail. >> megyn: lis, how is the insurance company going to be able to prove that she actually found it in her mother's attic and didn't get it at a flea market and can't track down the flea market seller. >> that's why the insurance company didn't do due diligence and go from the beginning. this is what it was, they should have done that in the beginning and did not and the insurance company has egg on their face and that's why they're upset about it. >> megyn: mark, if marsha doesn't get it because her mom did something she shouldn't have done. who gets it in your view? >> i think the insurance company. they paid out on it. the owner, whoever the true owner was, they got their money and now the insurance company-- >> marsha went with $7 to the flea market and just like the picasso hanging in the dining room for four bucks, we get to keep it. >> lis, maybe that's true, but
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you talk about it so passionately as if you were with her. you weren't. >> well, i got the picasso. >> megyn: i think it's too bad the museum the only one who legitimately got the painting in the first place ends up with nothing, between the insurance company and marsha. panel, we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] how do you measure happiness? by the armful? by the barrelful? e carful? how about...by the bowlful? campbell's soups give you nutrition, energy, and can help you keep a healthy weight. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do.
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>> laser guns may no longer be science fiction. the u.s. navy announcing plan to begin testing a ship-mounted solid state laser capable of destroying boats or unmanned drone aircraft. jennifer griffin with more. >> reporter: hi, megyn, the this is the first time that the pentagon decided to deploy a weaponized laser, it could be operational off the coast of iran next year. video released by the u.s.
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navy shows the laser lock on to a slow moving target, in this case an unmanned drone which bursts into flames in mid flight and the drone soon catches fire and crashes into the sea below. so far the laser is 12 for 12 in testing, destroying its targets each time and operates much like a blow torch with an unlimited magazine. and one pentagon official told fox, this is capable of obliterating small boats and unmanned vehicles with a blast of laser energy. it will be mounted to the fan tail and sent out to the fifth fleet region which includes the persian gulf where iran operates small surveillance drones and known for swarming and harassing u.s. navy ships with small armored speed boats and one of the major advantages, the navy says, it's relatively low cost to operate. it costs just $1 to fire a laser compared that to a tomahawk missile which costs the tape a cool 1 million
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dollars each time it's fired at a target. they tried to mount it on the tip of the airplane recently and too costly forcing them to cancel. they cost nearly 1.5 billion apiece. it's unclear if this laser can effectively take down fast are moving objects like fighter jets, but successful in striking drones and also, going after, they think they could go after these much slower swarming ships in the persian gulf. megyn. >> megyn: thank you. thinking about taking a trip? a new report at the 14 largest u.s. airlines. who is hot and who is not coming up. [ kate ] many women may not be absorbing the calcium they take as well as they could because they don't take it with food. switch to citracal maximum plus d. it's the only calcium supplement that can be taken with or without food. my doctor recommends citracal maximum. it's all about absorption.
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