stops right here. we're definitely looking out for you. >> sean: welcome to hannity. tonight it's party time at the white house because of this very moment, the president, mrs. obama are dancing the night away at a taxpayer funded concert called mentasol. we're getting our first look inside. it was streaming live on-line just a short time ago. among those in attendance, entertainers, justin timberlake is there, cindy lauper, queen latifah, many others. not included on the guest list, you, the average american. today marks the one month anniversary of the lockout of average americans. it's been 32 full days since we the people were welcomed inside the people's house for tours and if you ask our celebrity president why, he'll tell you oh, it's all because of sequestration which he himself

wanted. remember, he was the one that sound the alarm about the automatic budget cuts. he was good night that claimed that teachers would be laid off. planes would be falling from the sky, but yet somehow he maintained a straight face while making those outrageous claims. unlike tonight because right now inside the east room of the white house, i can guarantee you the president is all smiles and enjoying the concert that you, the american people, in part are paying for. let's be honest. tone deaf does not begin to describe just how insensitive how out of touch the administration is. joining me with reaction, former chair of the president's council of economic advisors, professor at the university of chicago, austan goolsbee. you weren't invited to the party? >> no, i wasn't. >> sean: eight vacations between the bidens and obamas since the beginning of the year. let's look at this in the bigger picture. i want to run through a list of stuff. i promise i'll leave you plenty of time to respond. let's look at the polls. by the way, cnn, hardly a conservative organization, the president's approval rating on

the economy, disapprove, 54%. the federal budget deficit, disapprove, 58%. here are the scary numbers. these all came out last week. u.s. census bureau, 50 million americans living in poverty. 50. children in america living in poverty, one out of five. 20%. food stamp participation increase since obama took office, 48%. number of food stamp participants, nearly 48 million americans. then another 14 million on permanent disability. number of food stamp participants under the age of 18, nearly 20 million. add to this, we have 90 million fewer americans in the labor force. 90 million, and yet he's throwing parties. he's going on vacation -- >> 90 million aren't in the labor force. >> sean: excuse me. according to the bureau of labor statistic, 663,000 americans left the labor force. >> okay. but you're consistently

comparing to the day that the president took office, failing to note that there has been improvement in essentially all of the measures you described over the last 24 months. >> sean: austin, every president gets measured for their term. this is a great concert, by the way. since he's been president, we've now doubled the number of people on food stamps, 14 million americans did she hang on. >> and turned it around to be getting better. >> sean: 6 1/2 trillion of new obama debt and you're telling us things are better! the american people are watching this wonderful concert -- >> yes, i'm telling you things are getting better. they got worse as he came in, and they've gotten better -- >> sean: that is 88,000 jobs is better when we lose 6,323,000 american -- 633,000 in the labor participation rate? >> that was not a good month. >> sean: how is it getting better then? >> the month before was a lot better.

236,000 jobs. it's getting better at a modest rate. it needs to be faster. you and i agree on that. where were you when the president gave back $20,000 of his salary? gave back to the taxpayer. why didn't you say -- >> sean: cry me a river. cry me a river. how about -- forget the $20,000. how about stop taking vacations and playing golf with tiger at $180,000 air force one hour? you're on drugs! you can't be serious! >> who was a great world leader and one of the favorites of ronald reagan, came multiple times for state dinners to the united states. under your plan -- >> sean: at a time of prosperity. he created 20 million new jobs. >> would you like a whopper or fries? >> sean: hang on a second. reagan took over an economy with 21 1/2% interest rate. double digit unemployment. by the way, far worse than what the anointed one took over.

>> you're mixed up. >> sean: he created 21 million new jobs, revenues to the government, gave us at the time the longest period of economic -- >> the recession happened in the middle of his first -- >> sean: excuse me. are you saying that the obama economy is better than the reagan economy and better than the reagan recovery? >> no. i'm saying that the recession that was taking place when obama came into office was a lot worse than the economy when ronald reagan took office. >> sean: interest rates are 21 1/2%. gdp is not worst -- you believe that? >> yeah, yeah. by far. let's just get the data. >> sean: really? >> the reagan recovery after the recession of 1982 was one of the strongest in american history. >> sean: what was the unemployment rate? reagan it double digit unemployment. obama has 7.9%]7!w7!:ww

last quarter economically? you said this last report was bad on unemployment. what happened in the last quarter in terms of growth in this economy? the obama economy. >> of last year or the first quarter of this year? >> sean: no, the last quarter of 2012. >> okay. the last quarter of 2012 was slow growth. revised up to another slow number. >> sean: what was the jobs rate for march? what was the jobs rate for march? >> 7.6. >> sean: okay. and what was the -- how many jobs did we create? >> 88,000. >> sean: and how many people left the labor force? >> in the hundreds of thousands. >> sean: 633,000 people. how many people have left the

labor force since obama has been president? how many people are no longer counted in the labor force? >> well, the labor force participation rate has gone down a about 55 to 60% of it from aging the population, 40% from discouraged workers. >> sean: we're in the fifth year of the obama presidency. >> i love this quiz. i got to get new my class. i keep trying to get you out here to have dinner with me. >> sean: so we have nearly $7 trillion in obama debt. we have the worst poverty in the -- i know you're a broken record. the worst poverty rate in his fifth year as president. >> and there has been improvement over the last year. >> sean: the worst deficit since the -- >> it's improved the last two years. >> sean: that's not true! the labor participation rate has not been this low since the great depression. >> labor force participation, we're getting older.

people are retiring. that's more than 50%. >> sean: isn't that bush's fault? >> it's not bush's fault. we're getting older. you think that's bush's fault? you're going to blame that on the president. why didn't you say good job, mr. president, when he gave back his salary? >> sean: you bow before your altar to obama in a picture above your bed. i want you to light a candle for me because you're living in an alternate universe. >> i'm not burning my own house down with it. >> sean: no, no, light a little candle and you can blow it out like you usually do and say oh, yes, oh, anointed one, chant, oh, yes we can, obama, yes, we can, obama. if you believe all that. >> burger king. >> sean: good to see you. unbelievable. >> good to see you again. >> sean: coming up next on "hannity," could this be the eve of the korean war peninsula that breaks out? the north ordered foreign diplomats to flee the country by tomorrow. fears the rogue regime is planning to conduct a nuclear

test that's growing. rudy guiliani has reaction. later tonight, this is coming up. >> what dr. carson and everybody in here represents is a threat to their sense much ownership. liberals in total believe that they own black america. >> sean: african-american conservatives came together for a very special edition of "hannity" last night. tonight outspoken liberal comment indicator juan williams is here to respond. that and mitch mcconnell on his office bug. we got the tape. coming up straight i'm here at my house on thanksgiving day, and i have a massive heart attack right in my driveway. an artery in your heart, it's called the widow maker. and mine was 95% blocked. they took me to the hospital, and the doctor put me on a bayerspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] aspirin is not appropriate for everyone, so be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. i'm a blue-collar worker. to me, bayer aspirin is another tool. go talk to your doctor. you're not indestructible anymore. ♪

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>> sean: fox news alert. south korean media is reporting north korea will be technically ready to fire a medium range missile as soon as tomorrow, saying that according to intelligence, analysis of north korea's missile movements it is believed to have completed preparations for a launch. now the rogue nation itself is sounding alarms with its activity. here with the very latest on all of that is our own david piper, in seoul, south korea tonight. david? >> hi. north korea is warning foreigners here in the south that they should leave the country because war is coming here. no reports yet of any panic rush to the airport. the warning came from peiyan yang's asia pacific peace committee. it said the situation on the korean peninsula is heading for a nuclear war. we don't want foreigners living in south korea to get hurt, it said. this is the latest in a series of warnings about an upcoming nuclear war here. peiyan yang said it could fire nuclear weapons at the u.s.

mainland and north korea. experts don't believe it has the know how yet to put a nuke on a long-range missile. it is capable of firing medium range rockets without a nuclear war head. and according to the south korean government, the north looks like it's preparing a mid range missile test now. according to the reports out of here, peiyan yang's preparations are complete for the test of a missile. and they do believe, according to intelligence reports here, that that missile could be tested as early as tomorrow. back to you, sean. >> sean: thanks, david. we're all monitoring the developments from the peninsula and what could very well be the eve of war. joining us now to react, former new york city mayor, rudy guiliani. good to see you. >> how are you? >> sean: i don't like the weaponry they have. i don't like the saber rattling. i don't know if our response is up to what it needs to be in case this happens. >> i think our level of intelligence is very, very lacking. and really this is no fault of this administration. the last one or the one before.

this has been the most isolated regime in the world. this guy and his father have done the best job of cutting their people off from the world. better than cuba, better than anything even in iraq in the old days or iran. so i think our level of intelligence, when we got to guess a lot here, it's hard to know who is in charge. is he in charge? is he doing this to impress the generals? are the generals telling him to do it? which is it? how far is he going to go? >> sean: it was the daughter of his grandfather that had great influence as well. >> right. we don't know the internals here. they never even did -- remember the soviets used to line up every may day and you could tell who was in charge by where they stood. next to whoever was in charge. they never even do that. >> sean: one of the things i guess we're watching here, and we're going to monitor is if, in fact, he does this, what are we going to do?

>> it's got to be swift and strong and massive. china has to understand. hopefully we're taking care of that now. >> it means militarily we have to strike. >> we have to. we have to defend south korea. we have 30,000 troops in harm's way. i've been there. i was in north korea. >> sean: when were you in north korea? >> i walked over the line. >> sean: you did. >> i did walk over the line. >> sean: i did that in mexico and they had a local representative want to arrest me. >> they have these large -- i call them cottages, where the north and south meet to negotiate. northern part and southern part on the dmz and the house is right in the middle. so we went in to one and i walked over to the northern park and walked out the back door and the general who was with me grabbed me and pulled me back and at the other side, they've been standing there 50 years ready to shoot. >> sean: when at this it at the arizona border, there was a state rep that wanted me arrested because i entered the country illegally. >> i don't think people realize

how close seoul is to the dmz. >> sean: scary. >> seoul is within easy shooting dance from the dmz. god forbid there was an invasion, which is what happened during the korean war. i think eventually the south could contain them. but there would be real, real damage. >> sean: let me ask you, there is a political question and potential scandal. we all watched the watergate scandal unfold in this country. mother jones got ahold of tapes of mitch mcconnell in a private session talking about strategizing, op research, in this case, they talked about ashley judd. >> critical christianity. she's sort of viewed -- of traditional christianity. she sort of views it as sort of a vestige of pate tree arc.

>> sean: doesn't appear research go on in every campaign? you do it on yourself. you do op research on yourself, on your opponent, just to be ready. >> sean: were there things you found? >> yeah. there were things they found that nobody ever used against me. so i have forgotten them. [ laughter ] >> sean: but these sessions happened with every politician. >> of course, they do, yeah. but the idea of how do they do that? if that is a nonconsentual recording -- that's a bug that was put in there without anybody's knowledge, that's a federal felony. >> sean: look, there are so many leaks in washington, my first instinct would be to say did somebody leak it that was in the meeting. they seemed confident -- >> if somebody in the meeting recorded it, in most states, that would be legal. there are states in which -- even if somebody in the meeting. >> sean: you can't have one party consent. you have to have two parties. >> under federal law, if any one party consents, it's okay. however, if the bug was put there in advance, then that's a very serious federal crime.

that's a five-year or plus felony. >> sean: do you think -- could you imagine if somebody put a bug in there? i mean -- >> let's see if they're the same reaction as there was to watergate. >> sean: let's see. >> can you just bug republicans it's okay? >> sean: apparently you must be able to. we'll watch this closely. thanks for being with us. >> i hope this is a bluff. i pray and i hope this is a bluff. starting to sound more and more like it isn't. >> sean: the instability of this guy is scary. >> yeah. >> sean: we'll see what happens. thanks. >> thank you. >> sean: and not only we'll have more on this issue of mitch mcconnell and the potential bugging coming up, but next on "hannity" -- >> what dr. carson and everybody in here represents is a threat to their sense of ownership. liberals in total believe that they own black america. >> sean: juan williams in studio tonight to react to last night's "hannity" special that the internet is buzzing about. what does he think of what some of these outspoken black conservative high school to say? i'll ask him. then the nbc news tv ad, well, that should leave you stunned.

>> part of it is we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. >> sean: that's right. nbc news, the network of matt lauer and brian williams is declaring that your very own children, they don't belong to you. they belong to the state, just hand them over the minute they're born. maybe they'll carry them for you. the shocking video in its entirety as "hannity" returns tonight. [ birds chirping ]

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>> sean: welcome back to "hannity." last night on this program, we were joined by a special studio audience made up of this distinguished black conservatives and it got the internet buzzing because over the course of the hour, we tackled some of the most pressing issues regarding race and politics, in particular we talked about how the left tries to demonize black americans who dare to voice their opinion when which is conservative. here is a clip from the program last night. >> i'm livid as a conservative when i'm called a racist because it's not true. i'm a christian. i am livid at the characterization that if you're conservative, you don't care about african-americans. you don't care about latinos because that is the antithesis of how i was raised, who i am and the way i was born. but it's a narrative just like

obama will say, republicans want dirty air and dirty water. they want kids with autism, down syndrome -- go ahead. >> the central point with the left is what dr. carson and everybody in here represents is a threat to their sense of ownership. liberals in total believe if they owned black america and anyone who dares stand up and say, especially during black history month, we're more than that 30-second blurp from mcdonald's. they show one little blurb of something great about us, they want to you focus on civil rights or anything that shows us as down-trodden. it gets so bad to the point where as star and i have, have gotten death threats on college campuses from people who, first are not only not black, but aren't american because they feel that if you speak up, somebody else might hear you. >> sean: joining me with reaction to last night's program, juan williams. why are black conservatives

treated horribly? by the way, you have experienced some of this in your life and career. >> no question i've experienced it. i think the answer, i think jason reilly said it to you last night, that there is an attempt to psycho analyze, to make us out to be self-hating, to not truly be caring about other black people, uncle toms, it's unbelievable. but the name is to delegit mayes you and you are working for the man. i get that for working at fox news. but the idea that -- >> sean: wait a minute. this is a form of racism as far as i'm concerned and intimidation in a society that's so politically correct, this is like christians your allowed to get away with it. you can attack christians and black conservatives and say the most vile things about them. where if it was against any other group, there would be widespread condemnation. that's not the case. >> it's not the case because i think in this matter, it's a matter of the political machine.

you look at most big cities where most black folks live and you're looking at huge democratic political machines and people rely on that patronage, it's been ingrained. but the fact is, sean, you look at the black church, there is a surprising number of people who are very conservative on very important issues in society, but people don't want to hear about it, including gay rights. this is a reality. you talk about social values and the like. but once -- it goes beyond the political machine. you think about the music industry in this country, the whole hip-hop thing and that whole attitude and the poison they feed our young people. again, somebody is out there saying no, that's legitimate. that's authentic black. but if you show up in a suit and tie and if you're talk being improving the quality of our schools, oh, you're against the unions. that's not the black -- >> sean: what's frustrating to me is, i don't know of any national platform that has dealt with the treatment of black conservatives and there are a lot of black conservatives and all of them, without exception, have been attacked in the most

vile, vicious ways. one of the questions i raised last night, i will run this, i asked the question, where is the left? those that claim to have a monopoly speaking out for minorities, latinos, black americans, where are they when all these attacks against black conservatives take place? watch this exchange. show of hands, how many of you have been called horrible names as we were talking about earlier? put your hand up high. anybody? everybody in this room. horrible names. reverend, why? why is that happening and where are the people on the left that claim they will stand up for civil rights, defending the right of african-american conservatives not to be treated this way? >> it's designed, sean, to keep black people in particularly uninformed and broke. when you put people in that type of situation, you have them uninformed about the freedom that's all around them, then you're able to lead them like sheep down a path that they have led them to.

>> sean: i see a lot of head nodding going on. >> and when you look at the black community, and you look at this administration being reelected, it was reelected because the electorate was uninformed. >> sean: what do you think? >> i think he's wrong. clearly people know exactly the difference between romney and obama and it wasn't just black folks who made that decision. i think sometimes republicans forget. you should look at my e-mails -- >> sean: that wasn't the question i was asking n let me just say. you look at my e-mail, it is offensive, especially in the midst of a campaign. >> sean: you want to see mine? >> no, that's the far right. and people say why do the tea party get labeled as racists -- >> sean: i'll trade e-mails with you. >> it's horrible. the thing is when you get this congressman talk being hispanics as wetbacks or you talk about sandra fluke as a loose woman or something, you say why do republicans do this? they damage themselves with groups and then people, i think, line up -- >> sean: but all -- wait a

minute. what is colin powell been called? what does condy rice? what has every prominent black been called? it's not big news. i can't think of any other program than this that dealt with this. >> amen 'cause look what you said earlier about me is true. i've experienced this personally. i've written books on the subject. i mean, when i -- colin powell, clarence thomas, i know the pain these people go through. >> sean: horrible. it's terrible. >> because they doubt who they are and they want to separate them from their community. it's not fair because -- this is something that came through your show last night, i was so impressed by it. the idea that there are real ideas out there. that if you're talking about improving the quality of public schools, how can you not be challenging the unions? if you're talking about the drug dealers, instead of talking about the crack cocaine and different sentencing, why don't you talk about the -- >> sean: every, every single solitary -- if you look at campaign that we run and we

cover, you see the democratic party that they play the race card. they play rich versus old. they play republicans hate minorities, they hate la titos and blacks. they hate grandma. they want to kill her. they hate sick children. that's what they show in every campaign and i'll show you ads to back it up. >> i remember when george bush was running and he had 40% support coming into the national race. naacp went down there, just terrible, just totally wrong. offensive, and wrong. yet, that is the way that it works and i think that's why the democrats keep that dominion over the black community. but it's not fair to plaque conservatives. >> sean: appreciate you being with us. tonight, up next on "hannity" -- >> part of it it is we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families and recognize kids belong to whole communities. >> sean: yes, brian williams' network is now boldly declaring that your children do not belong to you.

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break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. once it's everybody's responsibility and not just the household, then we start making better investment. >> sean: so the left is claiming you are not responsible for your own children what, are you responsible for? anything? earlier today, after the widespread backlash harris perry responded in an article she wrote, quote, those of you who are alarmed by the ad can relax. i have no designs on taking your children. please keep your kids. but i understand the fear. we do live in a nation where slave holders took the infants from the arms of their mothers and sold them for their own profit. we live in a nation where the government snatched american indian children from their families and reeducated them by forbidding them to speak their language and practice their

traditions. but that is not what i was talking about and you know it. really. what i mean with reaction. the ever so passionate co-host of "the five," dana perino, and the "fox business" network, stuart varney is with us. you are in a foul mood. is that about this? >> no. [ laughter ] no. >> sean: i've known you for years. you came in fired up. >> i'm fired up! look, i choose to use that wisely. can i talk about this? >> sean: yes. >> okay. i thought when i first heard about it that's just speaking off the cuff. but this was obviously well written, planned. they had a make-up artist, hair, lighting. this was a public service announcement for msnbc which is labeling itself as the democratic party spokesperson. if i were the middle america and i called myself a democrat, i would be looking at this saying, there is going to be a problem here. we do not agree with this, but this is what they're going to say that we are.

>> sean: all right. >> you are not sufficiently fired up and i am. this is collectiveism writ large and i don't like it. it is my job as a parent to incull indicate the morals of my children and provide food and clothing bring up my family. it is my right and my duty that i and my wife bring up our children. and she, miss paris harris perry, has nothing to do with it and nor does the community and i detest this collectivism -- >> sean: hang on. isn't this rooted in this collectivist socialist, we're all in this segment. >> yes, yes. >> sean: it's the moral superiority that the left feels. for example, we raise our kids and we teach our kids certain values. we bring them to church. we teach them that god -- you can't mention jesus at school. but a lot of us believe in jesus. and we teach our kids these things. but then we send them to school. they feel they have the right to contradict the values we're

instilling in our kids when they don't do their basic job of teaching reading, writing and math. >> she said we're not spending enough on public education. she says we should be investing more in public education. what she's talking about is spending my money to control my children. >> sean: she's saying -- liberals don't think our values are good enough. they need to raise our kids. >> you're right. that's exactly what she's saying. >> i don't think they would want -- i don't think that a child from a conservative family would get the same kind of care and love and attention that she's trying to talk about here in terms of the collective. the big problem for the left is that government cannot love anyone. they're not going to be there when the child wakes up at night and hold them through a nightmare. but when you have nearly 70% of new births in new york city last year to single moms and there is no dad around to help, they do turn to the government for help. that's not helping the children either. >> but she's buying votes. she is saying, oh, you can't

raise the kids? we'll raise your kids. and -- >> i don't know if she's saying that. >> we'll have somebody else pay for raising the kids. >> sean: kids belong the whole communities. once it's everybody's responsibility, not just the household's, then we start making better investments. >> by the way, why don't you vote for the people who are providing the money to bring up your children? that's what she's saying. >> i don't think she thought about it even that much. >> oh, yes. >> sean: that was scripted. >> the next place is vote for people that are going to help you? >> she tookt far enough. it's the community's job to bring up your children. >> sean: the left thinks they can contradict parents about the values of sex, sex education, condoms in school, heather has two mommies, daddies roommates, all brought into the school system because those rascally white wing republicans don't know too much about how to raise their kids. >> they want to turn our public education system into reeducation camps. indoctrination.

>> sean: i got to ask but margaret thatcher who passed away, the iron lady. now, britain obviously still divided in many ways about her legacy. many citizens -- is this thank is the sad part throughout the u.k. have been celebrating her death, blowing horns, popping champagne corks and displaying signs such as the bitch is dead. >> disgusting. outrageous. disgusting. i mean, i'm ashamed that those people are from my home country. that is an absolute disgrace there. but project this forward. margaret thatcher is the kind of conservative that i would definitely get behind. strong -- >> sean: in establishment? >> i'm not going there, sean. i'm simply saying that she is the kind of candidate that we need now. >> sean: it would work here. >> i'm conservative, who straightens things out and goes right at the opposition. >> sean: i totally agree. is there a debate within the republican party about more conservative candidates and

reverses more moderate candidates? you see the tea party versus the establishment in washington? it's a real debate. you and i have had it on air and off air. >> i think that's healthy. basically we're discussing our future because we were successful as conservatives and as a movement since the reagan administration. now where do you go from here with a country that is changing, with technology that has changed? the values and the principles of the conservative parties, they have -- you cut any open that calls themselves republican, they will be for lower taxes, individual responsibility, freedom, those things are constant. >> sean: if we applied those principles that reagan used and thatcher used to today's problem, we'd be successful. >> margaret thatcher would win an election in today with the same approach. >> even the economists editorial

ized favorably about her. i take their side over the drunk students in england. >> glad to hear it. >> sean: and up next tonight on "hannity" -- >> ever since i first learned how to shoot, the issue with gun violence around the nation became clear. guns are not the problem. people are. >> sean: we found the 15-year-old girl that appears to know more about the second amendment than her own president. you'll hear from the intelligent young woman when we return. then the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell is accusing his opponents of bugging his office using watergate style tactics to tear him down. we'll have the very latest and development out of this scandal out of washington and we'll bring you the top secret recording, more of those recordings coming up here on "hannity" if there was a pill to help protect your eye health as you age... would you take it? well, there is. [ male announcer ] it's called ocuvite. a vitamin totally dedicated to your eyes, from the eye care experts at bausch + lomb.

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>> sean: as the gun decoo debate continues, one teen-ager is fighting back against the anointed one. she made headlines when she testified against gun control legislation before maryland lawmakers, now her words, left them speechless and the video immediately went viral. take a look. >> ever since i first learned how to shoot, the issue with gun violence around the nation became clear. guns are not the problem. people are. purging our society of violence and murder cannot be done through gun control legislation. by signing this legislation, you are not signing away gun

violence, but liberating us of our constitutional rights. you are not eliminating guns from society, but eliminating our ability to protect our lives, liberty, and pursuits of happiness. chicago, illinois has had some of the strictest gun control laws in america for the past few years and currently more than twice as likely for you to be killed in chicago as in the afghany war. is that really something we want to model our state laws after? >> sean: joining me now is sarah merkel, welcome to the program. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> sean: let me start and ask you a basic question, when did you get involved in the issue? when did you start, for example, shooting guns? >> i started shooting guns when i was eight years old and that was the first time i just went to the range with my dad and it was just a casual day. we started shooting. i wasn't old enough to really get into shooting at that point, so after that, i didn't do much shooting nill i turned ten or 11. that's when i could first hold my air 15 and then i started competitively shooting since then. >> sean: the thing that's

frustrating to me in this big debate is that i listened to the arguments, none of these so-called solutions would have prevented what happened, the tragedy that happened in newtown. here you are 15 years old, you get that. why do you think that this is being used in an issue to control people's guns when, in fact, it's not going to solve the problem? i would put former policemen, retired military people in the schools and they'd be armed and we'd protect our kids the way we protect our politicians, athletes and money. >> i really don't have an answer for your question. that's one of the reasons i went down to testify is because i don't understand what they're doing. they're criminalizing law-abiding citizens when it should be the criminals who -- especially those who have been incarcerated that they should be going after. one of the bills i spoke on the fact was senate bill 533, which was nancy jacobs' bill and that was proposed to allow school employees to be able to have special carrying permits on

school grounds so that they could protect their students. >> sean: well, obviously that would be a solution. we protect our money, hollywood stars, politicians. we all deal with guns. why not do it for the kids? i don't know if you heard about this case today. we had 14 kids down at this campus in texas that were stabbed. two are in critical condition. i haven't heard one person come out and say we need knife control. do you think there is some hypocrisy there? >> i think there is. kind of piggy backs along what i was saying in my testimony with the 22 children stabbed in china. i understand that a couple people brought up to me that none of them died. if you look at the case and you actually go through and read the stories, the man wasn't planning on killing any of the children he stabbed. he cut off -- it sounds terrible, but he cut off fingers and ears and went for smaller things than actually hurt -- really injuring them to the point where it would be fatal. >> sean: you shoot competitively at a high level. i was pistol marksman when i was

a 12-year-old kid. i learned when i was pretty young. for example, joe biden said maybe people should just shoot through a door with a shotgun and people seemed to have this really, really evil impression of an ar-15. but i own ar-15s and i guess the question i would ask you is, which gun do you think would be, if somebody gets trained in the use of a gun for protection, which would be better for somebody to use? >> an ar-15 is much more accurate, i would say. it's easier to shoot. with recoil and just the size of it. a shotgun was the first thing i ever shot when i was eight and it knocked me back a little bit. so for a lot of smaller people out there who are small framed people who are trying to defend their homes, they wouldn't be able to. when i went to annan police, i spoke to a couple who said the wife couldn't shoot a pistol because her hands were too small. so the ar 15 is the only practical weapon she could use. >> arthel: well said -- >> sean: well said. good for you.

the cosmetic addition to the gun and it's the same gun as one that's not banned shows how ignorant they are on guns, doesn't it. >> any think so. >> sean: thank you. appreciate you being with us. coming up next, the f.b.i. is now investigating whether or not the office of mitch mcconnell was bugged. the senator says his opponentses are behind this watergate-like smear campaign. the scandal is just beginning to develop. you'll hear the secret recording when we return. stosterone, my doctor and i went with axiron, stosterone, the only underarm low t treatment. axiron can restore t levels to normal in about 2 weeks in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18 or men with prostate or breast cancer. women, especially those who are or who may become pregnant and children should avoid contact where axiron is applied as unexpected signs of puberty in children or changes in body hair or increased acne in women may occur. report these symptoms to your doctor. tell your doctor about all

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[ muffled audio ] >> ashley judd, a person -- [ inaudible ] >> she's clearly emotionally unbalanced. chapter and verse and autobiography about she suffered from suicidal tendencies, she was hospitalized for 42 days and had a mental breakdown. clearly a traditional american family. she described having children as selfish and thinks it's unconscionable to breed. she also is critical of fathers

giving away their daughters in marriage ceremonies. she says it's a common vestige of male domestinion over a woma reproductive status. >> the senator's office is saying someone may have bugged their office before the meeting. the fbi has been called in to investigate. when ask good what happened, senator mcconnell had this to say earlier -- >> last month they were attacking my wife's ethnicity. and then apparently also unbeknownst to us at the time they were bugging our headquarters. a nixonion move. this is what you get from the political left in america these days. >> every campaign does op research. every single one. if you're a democrat like obama, you just make it up and say republicans want to beat, kick, shoot, stab, throw her over the cliff. you don't like children, you don't like the environment, you don't like kids with autism and don't syndrome. they make it up. we'll continue to monitor the story. could get interesting. we'll bring you the details of the secret recording as the