>> how old are they now. >> eight and six, not old enough to lift on a tractor. >> get them strong and have them do push-ups in the morning. thanks for joining us, "america live" starts right now. >> megyn: fox news alert as millions of americans race to fill out their taxes before monday's deadline. the president today rolls out a budget of almost 4 trillion dollars and announces that washington wants even more money in the form of taxes in the future. welcome to "america live," everyone, i'm megyn kelly. president obama today revealing details of his budget which calls for more than 800 billion dollars in tax increases over the next decade or so. it also proposes new spending, here is the president earlier today. >> a time when too many americans are still looking for work, my budget begins by making targeted investments in areas right now to prime our

economy to create good jobs down the road. >> megyn: but the promise of good jobs down the road will come at a price with the plan leaving 177 billion dollars in the red for next year alone. 744 billion deficit projected. chris stirewalt is our host of power play live. and the president in his defense, says he offered reductions to -- is again decreases to the increases in spending that we were going to have on social security in particular, and cost of living increases, fyi, it's not that there won't be a cost of living increase, he says it will be more consistent with the actual increase of cost of living so it's more of an accounting change. in any event, he says that's fair and that's something that the left doesn't like and so that, balanced with hundreds of billions of dollars in additional taxes will finally get us to the point where the wealthy are paying their fair share and should be something

that the republicans can swallow. your take on it? >> well, this is certainly an effort by the president to say that he is the reasonable man here and he has told republicans, look, i'm willing to address entitlement reforms, we hate the new spending and everything yada, yada, yada, semi colon, you know that entitlements have been addressed starting when the president went into an exiting entitlement, medicare, to a new entitlement, his middle class subsidized health care. and it will carry the president until the end of today at which point, republicans will say about those tax increases and stimulus and on and on and on, and there's not much in here that looks like it's going to cook up a big bargain. >> megyn: we're still

increasing spending. i mean, we have been using the 2010 budget levels for all the continuing resolutions and all of the sort of extensions of the budget that we've had to do because we haven't had a real budget in years and now he comes out with this one and we have increased spending and it's deficit spending and it's on things like we've heard up so many times before, on infrastructure, on green energy programs, i mean, on heels of hearing that fisker, yet another big investment we made is laying off 75% of the work force and may go into bankruptcy. so, it's not that i'm dismissing all the president's suggestions here, but the deficit spending is still there. it's there in a greater degree and it's on programs that are very controversial to the other side. >> well, please do recall, counselor, that the president initially broke the law as relates to when he submits a budget. he let the house go first and the senate go before he, who is required and has been since

1921, to go first. to promulgate his budget plan first. he waited until the end to try and find the midway in between the two and he has the tax increases. the cpi, cost of living calculations, and manifests in people paying higher taxes and hundreds of billions of tax increases in new stuff and this does not look like a way that bridges the gap no matter how many dinners he has. if this is where he is, this charm offensive-- this is strong evidence that the charm offensive is for media consumption than for brokering a deal. >> megyn: we said 800 billion tax increases i had read more like 600 billion, but in any event, hundreds of billions of proposed tax increases after we had a 620 billion tax hike on the rich, who president obama still maintains are not paying their, quote, fair share. fyi, the 40%.

2010, top 10 paid paid about 70% of all taxes. in 2010, the top 25% paid about 87% of all taxes. and president obama says the so-called rich are still not paying their fair share and wants to raise taxes after they raised them 620 billion, another 600 plus billion, is there any way he's going to get that through with the republican lawmakers in the senate or the house? >> no, and plenty of democrats that wouldn't want to do it. the problem for the president now is one of kind. he needs a deal to allow him for borrowing authority and he needs it by, let's say, july, the first of july or thereabouts. any time wasted between now and then, as relates to a full year fiscal plan, is time he doesn't have. he's got it get off the stick and talking about taxes of this magnitude and spending and green energy, yes, these are his priorities and lauded

for placing his own view into the discussion, but since he broke the law and waited, there was a broad expectation that he would come out with something that wouldn't pass and broker a deal. the republicans that i talked to today throw up their hands and say, i can't deal with this. >> megyn: and there are reports that people are laughing, saying this isn't a serious proposal and yet shall the white house sees it very differently, there are no smoke and mirrors here, not only that, they say this is the bottom line, this is it. it's not a negotiating start. this is it. i know, that's what they always think. i'm sorry about al greene. >> i don't blame you. >> megyn: the one guy he wanted to har at the concert and heard back he doesn't love chris and decided not to appear. >> it's not your fault. >> megyn: see you soon. >> bye. >> megyn: as long as the lawmakers and pundits get ready to beat each other silly over the decreases to the increases in cost of living

hikes on social security payments, not to mention the deficits and the rest of it, consider this, according to a new report, the state department just okayed more than $700,000 for landscaping at truman hall a place where we hold the n.a.t.o. meetings in belgium. we understand that money will be spent over several years, it will pay for cutting the grass, trimming, and the state department spokesman says this is the best deal we can get and it's nor diplomacy. fox news alert. south korea on edge as the u.s. warns north korea could carry out a missile test at any point, today, tomorrow or beyond. the south koreans have raised their surveillance alert status to nearly the highest level available in that country, one down from all-out war. the japanese have taken the step of deploying defense

systems around tokyo. the north koreans are expected to test, to test launch, i should say, a medium range missile and puts all of south korea, the area of guam, within the strike range. well, developing right now we're learning more about yesterday's mass stabbing at lone star college outside of houston, texas. 14 people were you wounded in a story you saw play out in the broadcast, a picture of police handcuffing the 20-year-old suspect dylan quick. he is believed to be hearing impaired and to have had some other issues that we're going to get into. law enforcement saying that the student went on a building to building stabbing spree attacking people with a razor type knife until a group of student tackled him. in moments, one of the students will be here live. has he heard someone was stabbing students, his

instinct was to run after the danger and he found the danger. and tackled the student who had the knife. he'll be here in moments to tell the story on camera. we'll joined by a texas state senator what impact this may have on the national gun control debate. also, watching developments on a controversial issue from the presidential campaign this past fall. congress is looking at reports of massive fraud and waste in the federal program that provides wireless phones for low income americans. trace gallagher has more live from our west coast. >> trace: it's kind the lifeline program and began under president reagan in 1984. then of course it was only for land lines. in 2008 is when it extended to cell phones and that's when the cost absolutely skyrocketed. in 2008 the program cost 820 million dollars. by 2012, 2.2 billion dollars and between that same time

frame, the number of enrollment went from 7 million to 12.5 million. the program of course, paid by fees tacked on to your phone bill. the problem is, it is rife with fraud, costing americans hundreds of millions of dollars and here is why. because hundreds of thousands of low income families have multiple lifeline cell phones from different cell phone companies. even though it began under george w. bush it was dubbed obama phones after the election after this woman from cleveland had that viral video where she kept saying vote for obama and you get a free cell phone. republicans have criticized the program as an example of president obama expanding welfare or as rand paul recently said, giving people free stuff. the criticism mainly came from republicans until missouri senator clare mccaskill got an offer in the mail for lifeline phone, now she wants to greatly cut back the program. the sec has vowed to crack

down on fraud, hopefully saving americans tens or hundreds of millions of dollars a year and the house energy and exercise committee will hold hearings and that may decide the fate of the program once and for all. >> megyn: thank you. the thinking at one cable network that declares your children are not really your own. the host who made that statement now doubling down in her own words, on that claim. we'll show you the latest twist. controversy over calls to free the lawyer for one of the world's most infamous terror suspects. we'll look at whether this new york attorney should get a get out of jail early card. she's serving jail, as i mentioned, for helping the blind sheik behind the 1993 bombing of the world trade center. she goes and helps him while he's in jail and passes messages to other terrorists that she gets convicted of and now she wants to get out of jail based on mercy.

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>> prosecutors have now asked for a psychological profile of the man accused of going on a stabbing spree at a texas college yesterday. 14 people were hurt, two critically. he went from building to building, according to authorities, slashing and stabbing people at lone star

college until students wrestled to the ground. yesterday we heard from one young man on campus, and suggested that students would have been safer if they were allowed to carry guns on campus. joining me now, steven maida. one of the students who help take him down. and a radio host who wants concealed carry to be allowed on the campuses. and thank you so much. steven, start with you. i'm amazed at your courage and bravery because as i said in the last block, most of us when we hear danger and am sort of a stabbing or violent incident, would go behind closed doors. you actually ran after the danger, what made you do that? >> just seeing that it was girls that were mostly be targeted at first and hearing that a guy stabbing girls in the face made me want to go in there and protect them and hopefully maybe help someone out and maybe about to get murdered, who knows what could happen next. were you armed at all.

did you have any weapon on you? >> just my fists, that's it. >> megyn: wow, how many of you actually took him down? >> three and three other guys. eric bertran and james and i didn't get the last gentleman's name. >> you see him and what do you do, how do you tackle him? >> well, it's actually a pursuit. actually i'd asked about four, three to four people where he was first. i asked a girl where she was, she ran off. and then a girl came out with a stab wound in her cheek and her friend said she's been stabbed and there's a guy out there stabbing girls in the fast. i asked her where and what he looked like. >> white with red hair and i saw another girl stabbed and someone tending to her and i went upstairs to the hallway and people tending to another kid that had a slice in the back of his head so i run down there, they didn't know where

he was, a gentleman ran up to me and pointed out the window downstairs, there he is, and i looked at him, walking across the bridge across the lake. and there was a little laboring lake in the middle of our school so i ran downstairs, ran outside and ran outside and joined the pursuit with other security guards and other kids with me, another kids and pursued after him. well, we got across the bridge and look around and only me and three other guys running towards the guy and he looked behind him about a hundred feet away and saw us, and took off through the first building, the next building. >> megyn: wow. >> he could see. >> megyn: when you finally did get up close to him, how did it go down? >> well, we had to go through a billed and then almost lost him, saw him in the parking lot, ran after him. one guy grabbed the back of the backpack, another one the arm and pushed him to the ground. he gave up immediately and

knew there was four of us around him and he was unarmed and had the knife in his pocket. >> megyn: wow, i want to ask you, senator patrick. we talked to you yesterday about whether you thought it would change the push to allow concealed carry on college campuseses. and folks who want more gun control and don't want concealed carry, they believe this helps their argument, that no one has died and the 14 students injured, but no one has passed away. >> it's not only a weak argument, but what they're saying, not only someone is shot and killed should we take this measure forward. a number of senators, myself included, have co-authored this bill, but we're blocked, blocked primarily by the chance lorllors in the universities who don't-- remember, we're talking in texas to have a concealed

carry license you have to be 21 and ten hours of training and show your efficiency with a weapon. not just talking about kids carrying a weapon and first of all, steven, i have not met you, but thank you for what you did, a hero with others. imagine, had this person with the knife had a gun. steven would have been helpless. he may have tried to tackle him with a gun, but he may have been shot. if steven would have had a chl, concealed carry, i don't know if he's old enough, if he's 21, but if students, and lonestar has 75,000 students, a major university. you can't have enough police to protect everyone. in texas we believe and have over half million adults, 21 and over who have a chl, we've never had incidents of people pulling their guns and shooting recklessly. when this bill was passed in the '90s, long before my time in the texas senate, stories of road rage and neighbors shooting each other over a

barking dog. >> megyn: hot-heads. >> people are very, very serious when they carry that weapon. they know what it means to carry that weapon and gives you a chance to protect your own life. >> megyn: the responsibility that comes with it. steven, facing this kinds of danger, what are your thoughts on concealed carry on campus. >> the concealed carry, there are some mature enough for it. if you look at the people, seeing them with a gun would worry me more and to know how easy they get pro he volked and how crazy they can be. this kid instead of stabbing people could have been shooting all 14 people and all 14 people could have been dead. >> but i think --. >> megyn: go ahead, quickly senator. >> i was going to say, but that misses the point. anyone like the person with the knife yesterday today could bring a gun illegally on campus. a person with a chl, again it's not kids it's responsible adults 21 years and older who have taken training. so i would like, again,

steven, you're a hero, but we're not talking about 18 years old, we're talking about adults having weapons and trained. >> megyn: steven. >> and avoid a worse situation. >> megyn: we're glad you're okay and so courageous, thank you so much. >> he's a hero. >> thanks. >> megyn: we'll be right back. i'm here at my house on thanksgiving day,

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>> back to court today for a fox news reporter facing possible jail time for refuse to go reveal a confidential source. jana winter could get up to six months in prison if she doesn't reveal the anonymous source she used for an article on the colorado theater shooting. the article revealed how before the massacre, the suspected shooter james holmes sent his psychiatrist a notebook detailing his plans to commit murder. alicia acuna is in centennial, colorado and now we have a

bizarre setup, alicia, where a fox news reporter is sitting in a courtroom with this accused killer whose lawyers are pushing her and wanting her to go to jail if she doesn't give up her information. >> reporter: that's right, megyn. and today's hearing has really nothing to do with james holmes' guilt or innocence. jana winter will be in court today, but will not have to testify yet accord to go a ruling by a judge in the case. winter, who is based in new york, and her attorneys must be present as a detective takes the stand to answer questions about whether he talked to anyone about the notebook. multiple members of law enforcement have already testified that they were not winter's sources on her story. now, the judge ruled he will wait to decide whether winter will be compelled to testify. it hinges on whether that

notebook is entered as evidence. until then, the defense team searches for the leak. >> until an adequate showing has been made that all the alternative sources who may have been miss winter's source have been contacted and have denied under oath that they were the source, then it's quite clearly that miss winter should not be compelled to testify. >> reporter: winter has said she will not reveal her source and she could go to jail because of it. james holmes' trial is set to go on trial for walk into a theater. and 12 killed, 70 injured and an offer to avoid the death penalty. >> reporter: thank you, keep us updated.

>> megyn: new controversy over the thinking of one cable network that declares your kids really belong to the community, as the host who made that claim doubles down. we'll show you the newest twist in the debate. should a new york lawyer get a get out of jail early card after she was convicted of helping one of the best known terrorists spread his message of hate? now she wants mercy. does she deserve it? we'll report, you side just ahead. ♪ [ female announcer ] from meeting customer needs... to meeting patient needs... ♪ wireless is limitless. ♪ from finding the best way... ♪ to finding the best catch... ♪

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>> breaking news on one of our top stories today as the chairman of the joint chiefs just made some discouraging remarks about the crisis in the koreas. general martin dempsey saying, quote, we have to expect the worst and that's why the military is on alert for a possible missile launch from north korea. we've heard warnings earlier that north korea could carry out a missile test at any point today or tomorrow, or on. we'll have more at the top of the hour, an update. americans always want some legal of inequality because it's representation of meritocracy. people who work hard and save their money and make contributions we think they should earn more and have more resources. that's fine, we also have to have a floor under which

nobody falls and if you're bee he low tha below that, especially as a child, you have descend housing and quality food all the time. >> that's a brand new ad from cable network, msnbc put out in the wake of fierce criticism leveled against the host shown there. in the latest ad, that host seems to double down on what critics have called a socialist viewpoint. they have the vignettes for their hosts and she put out one that took on a lot of fire. and she talked about those who sacrifice and work hard, they should earn a little more, that's what she thinks they're entitled to, but should be a floor. the thing that got this started was an ad she put out a couple of days ago, arguing that children in this country don't really belong to their parents and instead calling for the the larger community

to take charge. here is that. >> we have never invested as much in public education as we should have because we've had a private notion of children. your kid is yours and totally your responsibility. we haven't had a collective notion these are our children. part of it we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. one it's everybody's responsibility and not just the household's then we start making better investments. >> megyn: today in a written piece she doubled down, those are her words, and her assertion and makes no apology about it. joining me is monica crowley, and kirsten powers, and both are contributors. some sar it's no big whoop that a community would help to raise a child, but is that what she really was arguing in that piece? >> well, i think probably the problem that some people have

with it is that collective-- the reference to the collective and to say that children don't really belong to their parents i think is a pretty provocative thing to say. i certainly do believe that the community plays a role. i think we do pay a lot for education, actually. i don't have children and that's not an accident. you know, i love my friend's children, i love my nieces, you know, i try to be as helpful as i can, but they really aren't my responsibility. >> megyn: right. >> they're the responsibility of the people who choose to have them. if one of my friends decides to have five children, that's really not my responsibility. i'll help out as much as i can. >> megyn: pay your taxes so on. >> i pay taxes for schools and i don't have children in school. how much more am i expected to do really, i guess that would be my question. >> megyn: i want to ask you that, monica. and kyle winfield comes out with a piece that's interesting talking about this, quote, collectivist rant. and he posits that she is

completely inventing the notion she's arguing against, saying there's never been any dispute, of course the community also cares about children and that's why we pay taxes that go to education and that's why the united states pays more for education than any other country in the world, according to studies cited therein. so he says she's setting up a false premise because it's actually more consistent with a left-leaning belief, what we're doing, it needs to go way beyond that. >> that's exactly the point, megyn, that she's actually laying groundwork for a far more radical idea. there are two disturbing notions here, first, that a child is a piece of property to be owned and controlled by the state rather than raised by the parents. and the second point, which i think is a bigger and more disturbing one, if there can be a more disturbing one. this is what statists do, and how think. they're trying to socially

engineer us into what they sell as utopia, but which actually has no relation to a utopia at all, but is really all about government power and control over you, your family and your life and so they've always been, and we've seen this throughout totalitarian systems throughout history, they're always trying to move you from the individual to the collective. from individual freedom to mass enslavement, and away from religion towards a secular state. >> megyn: not always trying to move you from the individual to the collective. because when it comes to the issue of abortion, ms. perry does not believe that it should have anything to do with the collective. she believes it's completely the individual and that's a hypocrisy of hers this some have pointed out in the wake of this debate. in the piece called "doubling down" that's her term, that the kids belong to the communities and not to the parents today. she says the following

kirsten: on the abortion issue we agree that kids are not the property of their parents. their lives matter to all of us. so she says kids lives matter to all of us. well, she found herself in hot water not long ago for the following clip that was played on that network, and i ask you whether her detractors are going to believe that she actually believes babies lives matter to all of us. >> on our model, they have a fertilized-- oh, no, that might be bad, i think it popped over the fertilized egg. put that back together. but the very idea that this would constitute a person and that some set of constitutional rights should come to this. look, i get that that is a particular kind of faith climb, it's not associated with science, but the reality is that if this turns into a person, there are economic consequences,s cost to raise a child $10,000 a year up to $20,000 a year when you talk about what actually costs to

have this thing turn into a human, why not allow women to make the best choices that we can, with as many resources and options, instead of trying to come in and regulate this process. >> megyn: this thing, she said, as she's holding a model of an embryo. >> right, well, first of all, she's said so many things that are so empirically false in such a short amount of time. it's not true that the only people who oppose abortion oppose it because it's a faith claim. there are scientific reasons to oppose abortion, primarily it's a human being, it's a scientific fact, it is alive. that's also a scientific fact. it will also turn into a human unless something happens, but most the time it turns into something that looks a lot like the three of us eventually. so, what i think is more troubling is she sort of makes the argument and then sort of pushes it aside and saying, whether it is a human or not a

human, women should decide that because it could be too expensive. >> megyn: should be the mother-- >> based on finances. >> that's not a moral argument. don't go through the whole thing like how-- make your argument linear. it's a human, we don't care, people should be able to end the life because it's too expensive. that is essentially what she's saying and kind of went around like trying to also kind of prove that it's not a human even though the holding up the little thing. that doesn't prove it's not a human. it's still a human. >> megyn: to come out now, monica and say, this is a quote, we agree that kids are not the property of their parents. their lives matter to all of us. this thing, this thing. >> right. referring to human beings as pieces of property. now, we fought an entire civil war, megyn, to make sure that human beings were not considered property by the state or by anybody, and here is this woman, i mean, the double standard and hypocrisy here, when she's talking about abortion and referring to a human being as a quote "thing"

and kind of laughing about it. and there she's saying there should be no state intervention here. the woman should have the right to choose what to do with that thing. except when that baby crosses over, and that baby is then born, then the baby is no longer your thing, it belongs to the state. this is really radical thinking and like i said, megyn, we've seen this throughout history in totalitarian regimes where they actually go in and take the babies and rent them to try to apolish the baby to make the state the number one entity. you're all in service of the state and worshipping the state. that's what we're talking about here. >> megyn: she is not only a cable news host, but a professor at tulane university and that, that is her belief system so we let it stand, let it fall or rise on its own merits. panel, thank you. >> thanks. >> megyn: and taking your thoughts on twitter: @megyn kelly.

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as the blind sheik had called on muslims to destroy the west behind that attack. his lawyer, lynn stewart, was convicted back in 2005 of helping smuggle the sheik's coded messages and helping him smuggle messages out of hate and violence, the lawyer. now, she reportedly has stage four breast cancer and there is a petition to have her released from prison based on grounds of mercy. and joining me now to discuss it, peter johnson, jr. and so she wants mercy. she was convicted for helping a terrorist and the judges who reviewed this in the second circuit not exactly known for conservative leanings, she's persisted in a stark inability to understand the seriousness of her crimes and placed the lives of unknown innocents at risk. >> she also said after the conviction she would do the time, quote, standing on her head, unquote and that she

would do it again and that she wouldn't do it differently. she then changed those statements a little bit and the circuit court said yeah, you can take them into account in giving the sentence. she was accused of committing perjury after the sentencing seven times during the trial. what she did, and you it out. there were videotapes of her there with the blind sheik and a couple of other folks and making believe that she was one thing as they were passing messag messages. >> so she was rattling a water bottle and couldn't quite hear the message and in and out. >> and she had signed an agreement that she would send no messages to the world based upon his acknowledgment as a terrorist. and she violated that and she was finally sentenced to ten years. now she wants compassionate release? which is recognized under federal law. only about 500 compassionate

releases in the last 20 years, justice is tempered by mercy, but should she be let out of prison? i'm kind of a justice tempered with mercy guy, but at this point i'm not sure. >> megyn: maybe you give mercy if you have a fully repentent defendant. but she was interviewed helping the blind sheik and quote i'd do it again. and why do we let her out of prison. now she has nothing to lose, she has stage four breast cancer and as far as i know never reversed-- >> the guidelines, terminal illness is one of them. the bureau of prisons needs to make recommend nation. under the federal law the individual prisoner cannot-- >> she has left groups.

party for socialism and liberation. workers world is trying-- some guy is on a hunger strike trying to get her released. >> and you know, megyn, george soros, the hard left wing billionaire, his organization contributed $20,000 to her defense. so, it tests our sense of justice. it tests our sense of mercy, but considering the crime, considering the undeniable proof of the crime, considering what she has said afterwards, does she put us in the mood in this country, considering these acts, considering that she was a lawyer, a lawyer. >> megyn: she was disbarred. >> who was disbarred as a result of it, to say oh, we can forget about that, you can walk away from your prison. i think we have to look at this carefully. i believe in compassion. i believe in redemption, and i know you do as a christian,

but at the same time, sometimes we have to make a hard decision about who stays in jail and who gets out, whether there are consequences in our society for your actions, especially when your pea a lawyer sworn to uphold the law and then you're convicted of passing messages to the world to our enemy. life and death, and now death, unfortunately, seems to be come knocking for miss stewart. it wasn't a life sentence, but it was a 10-year sentence and i'm sure the court understood that she was sick at that point. it may have been a life sentence that was given. >> megyn: and somebody who said she'd do it again and not only that, she called 9/11 an armed struggle. >> bad stuff. >> megyn: peter johnson, we'll follow it. coming up brad paisley tackling the issue of race in america with his new deet with ll cool j. they say the best laid plans

can go wrong and now you'll see how their song is at the center of a growing controversy.

♪ >> ♪ a white man living in the south land. just like you... ♪ a controversy in the music world. brad paisley's due the et with cool j, accidental rapist, getting attention. >> and brad paisley says he wanted to put the song out to spark discussion and if that's the case, it's mission accomplished. pretty much everyone is talking about it, some praise and others attacking it.

pa brad paisley and ll cool j, can they overlook each other's differences fr differences and here is a snippet of the song ♪ not everything we've done ♪ the chains. >> the 6 or 8 minutes. rip, robert e. lee, but thank abraham lincoln for freeing me, now what i mean and brad paisley lyric, quoting our generation didn't start this nation and we're still paying for mistakes that a bunch of folks made long before we came and caught between southern pride and southern plains. here is paisley and ll cool j. >> some people take exception

with the lyrics. >> i felt like what we had on tape is something that people needed to hear. >> and getting heat, and number 26. >> megyn: thank you. one of our nation's biggest allies is raising its threat status to one just below all-out war. amid concerns that a north korean missile launch, we've got a live report 30 miles from the korean border after this break. and america's most powerful music couple goes on a government-approved trip to cuba. >> cuba's not a zoo where you pay an admission and get to watch people living in cages and see how they're suffering. cuba is not a field trip. we went out and asked people a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone

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>> fox news alert. tensions with north korea reaching new levels today. south korea on high military alert. china amassing troops near the border and japanese interceptor missiles in place all in precipitation for a possible missile launch in north korea that seoul warned could come at anytime. welcome to "america live," i'm megyn kelly. and today is the day for the foreign embassies to evacuate and tourists to leave south korea, warning that the situation on the peninsula is

heading for, quote, thermal nuclear war. and says there's no room for a misstep and the slightest misstep could send it out of control. greg is 30 miles from the border. >> reporter: yeah, megyn, it was in fact the deadline for kim jong-un to think about leaving the korean peninsula in case there is a war. it's the early hours of april 11th now and we have not seen a war yet or foreigners leave, but this is still a dangerous place, south korean officials are saying a mid range missile capable of hitting the island nation of guam in the pacific where there is a u.s. base is ready to go along with several other missiles and rockets. they have raised the alert to a vital threat level just below war time, putting one official with the u.s. military here in south korea telling me, they are ready for

any contingencies. and the joint north-south factory complex, workers from the north being barred from showing up at the factory, a slap in the face of cooperation between the north and south. and anti-war protesters here in the south, raising up a peaceful one into the sky. and we see life going on pretty much as normal in this very pmodern country. the folks have seen and the wild card again and again, there is a new young man in charge. so we're waiting here now, megyn, for a possible launch of missiles, of rockets, at anytime. we're waiting for secretary of state kerry to come to the region starting friday to give diplomacy a chance and a birthday blast on monday,

celebrating the grandfather of the leader of that country. back to you, megyn. >> megyn: thank you. a rather frank warning about the situation from former vice-president dick cheney, not mincing words, mr. cheney reportedly told republican leaders in congress, quote, we're in deep doo-doo, advising them not to eliminate any possibility when dealing with this regime. it's so tense, that the u.s. air force, the islands off the coast of alaska, not the far from russia. several missile tracking radar since the 1940's and are powerful enough to track objects in space. we're watching. what happens next if the north actually does decide to launch a missile? kt mcfarland, a political analyst. do you think they're going to do it? >> i definitely think they're

going to test something. and a possibility within the next couple of days. greg pointed out monday is the grandfather of the current guy and look alike of the current leader. where do they go? and if it's another missile test, they've done it before. if it's headed to the deep blue sea. >> megyn: as they usually do. >> as they usually do. if it it looks like a mistake in the wrong place intentionally or by accident, it looks like it might hit japan or south korea or any of the u.s. forces in the the reason or guam, we shoot that thing down. >> megyn: why would he do that? that's just assuring his own self-destruction, is it not. >> what will we do? he will be in a position to escalate and say the united states shot it down. i think i'll-- maybe i'll shell an island in south korea or a ship. if this guy starts a fight, he

doesn't finish it. he doesn't want a war. >> megyn: it's all about the taunting and the threats. >> it's all about that. >> megyn: and now he's getting to the point where he has to make or break on the threat he. if he launches the missile and sends it into the water. is that the end of it, okay. >> until next year. >> megyn: done again, move along. >> the thing, they do this every spring, like cherry blossoms, daylight saving time, north korean military crisis they do it because they want something from us. and assume it goes up without going to war, the 29-year-old kid held everybody in the world on the edge of his seats. is he going to fire, going to be a war, going to be a nuclear war. he he's gotten exactly what he wants and the aid that he wants and the crisis management technique, and the real take away, he's got nuclear weapons, nobody stopped him. the clinton administration, bush administration, obama

administration, north korea you're never going to be allowed to have nuclear weapons. guess what he's got them. the bigger message, the iranians are looking and they have the same message from the bush administration and obama administration. if they didn't stop that pip squeak in north korea, they're never going to stop the persian empire. >> megyn: and the european union came out and told north korea the situation on the ground does not justify evacuating eu diplomates. he warned you better get the diplomates out of here and they say, no, we don't believe you. they're calling the bluff. >> they're trying to down-size it. and the interesting thing not what the europeans have said, but the chinese. the chinese are the mentor nation to the north korea. >> megyn: the puppeteer to north korea's puppet. >> we thought so, but the chinese have come out and said

the north koreans, essentially said they wouldn't be allowed to hold the world hostage or world peace in the balance for their own self-interest. we've assumed that china could rein them in. can they? it's a test moment just for korea, but for china. >> megyn: we'll see what they do. kt, thank you. we're learning now details in the case of a horrific stabbing rampage at a houston college. you heard one of the students who stopped him on minutes ago. five are still in the hospital. casey stegall has the latest, life from dallas. >> hey, megyn, as those who were breaking on the show, those who knew the suspect characterizing this guy as an

odd fellow, the 20-year-old carried a stuffed animal with him on campus and it's what he told police once he was arrested yesterday that's really giving us an idea of what those victims were up again. dylan quick is his name and admitted he'd not only been planning yesterday's attacks for a long time, but that he actually fantasized about quote, stabbing people to death, since he was in elementary school. according to the harris county sheriff's office, the hearing impaired student went on a building to building rampage at the lonestar community college campus near houston before lunch time. slashing fellow students primarily in the neck and the face. listen to the fellow students describing what ensued. >> i heard people screaming behind me he was running at. and then when i heard people behind me, i just, i was like i have to go running to the room and get safety.

>> and i got down on my hands and knees and led everybody else as i said to prayer and prayed that god watch over us. >> now, pieces of the weapon, an exact-o knife were recovered at the scene and inside one of the victim's bodies and inside his backpack as he was tackled by other students. his parents are from the houston area and he's been charged with three counts of aggravated assault with a weapon and megyn, it's likely more charges will be added on here. >> megyn: casey, thank you. the media reaction was widespread, after mitch mcconnell claimed someone had bugged his campaign headquarters. instead of focusing on the possible crime, many major news organizations went after the senator for the substance of the tapes. his opposition research remarks. we'll take a closer look at that. and new anger over how

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u. >> trace: fallout today over a recent trip by u.s. power couple beyonce and jay-z to the nation of cuba. and according to the department, it was approved in part of the people to people cultural exchange program, but many are not pleased. senator marco rubio talked about the problem of tourists taking a little trip to cuba just a few weeks ago. >> cuba's not a zoo where you

pay admissions and get to watch people living in cages to see how they're suffering. cuba's not a field trip. i don't take that stuff lightly. you just went to cuba to fulfill your curiosity i could have told you, and left thousands of dollars in the hand of a government to control the people you feel sorry for. >> megyn: congressman representing the sixth district and what is senator rubio talking about specifically. how does beyonce, how does jay-z help castro by going there on a, you know, they went and listened to music, they probably were researching their own, you know, musical influences, i guess. they say it's a cultural sort of exchange deal. >> well, megyn, thanks for having me, i was actually at that speech of senator rubio that you just played, it was incredibly powerful speech. people need to understand you go for tourism, it essentially

was, for their wedding anniversary and spending money in cuba, it's not helping the cuban economy, it's helping the castro regime. and they'll use that, two huge stars, they'll use it for propaganda purposes and i wish they would have thought about it before making the trip. cuba is unique in our hemisphere for the political oppression they put on, political prisoners, no basic rights, freedom of speech, private property, freedom of the press. we need to stand up for the cuban people and not for the castro regime. >> megyn: how bad is it? i don't think that a whole lot of americans pay attention to cuba. >> for example, you have a number of women who protest called the ladies in white and they're basically protesting political prisoners held in cuba. you had 70 of them arrested last year just for doing a

peaceful demonstration and castro's police said don't do this again, because the consequences will be worse. you have an alan gross, an american citizen in cuba now for four years, incarcerated, all he was trying to do is to connect jewish people in cuba to the wider world. these are the not in any way crimes, these are people who the castro regime believes was a threat to them so he they clamped down. >> megyn: why do you think our treasury department approved the trip? from the sound of it they didn't know it was beyonce and jay-z, they thought it was a cultural exchange. and those have been loosened fshlts i read the letter they sent to my colleague, and incred incredibly vague whether they knew or not. it's not a cultural exchanning if it's on your wedding anniversary, where they're encouraging to go and spend

tirism dollars or they got a special deal because they're rich, famous and big supporters of the president. either way, i think there's a problem. >> it happens right after she performs the at the inauguration of course, and they were big fundraisers of his. in any event, thank you for being here and we appreciate your perspective on it. >> thanks, megyn. >> and joining me now with more on this is fox news contributor sally kohn and radio talk show host, chris plante. you've heard the concerns outlined there. and that's why we have a travel ban. >> it's important to put this in context the only country in the united states where the united states restricts its citizens from going to, not iran, not north korea, the only one and a few years ago we decided that wasn't working not to take down the cuban regime and not to help the cuban people see an alternative way forward so we

started creating cultural exchanges and 90,000 people go every year. idea is, they see american democracy and culture and say, hey that looks pretty good and i can't honestly think of a better ambassador for american democracy and culture than jay-z and beyonce. i would think the opponents of the regime would cheer them going there and showing the cuban people an american alternative. >> megyn: i know senator marco rubio and others say look, they have plenty of tourists go through from western nation, ie, europe and hasn't made a bit of dinners and no reason to believe that sending americans down there will either. >> well, it's not only the only country that we have a travel restriction on. it's one of four countries designated by the state department as state sponsors of terrorism. of they have one of the worst human rights records in the world right now. and this is about a lot, it's about the obama administration allowing them to go. and these phony vague statements they didn't know, it's an educational exchange, is really -- their language

invites more questions, it doesn't answer the questions on the table. this is about the american left and their love affair with dictatorships, in particular left wing communist military dictatorships. it goes back to jane fonda and vietnam, and sean penn and danny glover with hugo chavez. the left-- and it's ironic that they i assume flew down on a gulfstream jet or private jet to enjoy tourism and jay-z wandered around, according to reports, wearing a che guevara t-shirts. and one of the last regimes in the voluntary departure of citizens is termed an escape. and jay-z wears a che guevara t-shirt, not only a butcher that murdered thousands of people, he was a dedicated racist who hated black people and regularly used the n-words

as we caucasians like to call it. he is it's an awful regime and back on the gulfstream jet and bevel hills mansion and hundreds of millions of dollars. i wonder if he noticed that anybody else on the island was not allowed to leave with him. >> megyn: when you look at cuba and stats, they're known for the regime's long-term imprisonment, dramatic rise in political detentions, and 6,000 government opponents in prison a sharp spike from the year before and year before that and average wages about $20 a month. you go to prison over there, high chance you'll be held in solitary confinement, sometimes for years at a time. if you need a shot while you're in prison, something's wrong with you, you're going to be getting a reused syringe. should we be having beyonce, jay-z beloved by a lot of americans, sort of going and blessing the country in a way by embracing them? >> i think maybe that's what

it looks like to us. in cuba, it looks like here are ambassadors for american culture and we have to look at it. first of all, there is a policy. we have a policy that allows these cultural exchanges, blanket programs like this under which they traveled and to borrow a quote, if republicans don't like it, then they should do something about it. >> megyn: well, they don't like it, they objected to it and changed under president obama. >> and no, we had the cultural-- that expanded. but the other point i want to make, this isn't about cuba, it isn't about beyonce or jay-z and they don't like the-- and they're more popular in cuba. >> really. they're today's useful idiots. today's michael moore, today's sean penn. the left loves anti-american dictators, they love communist military dictatorships. they always have. if a dictatorship is pro

american, they hate it. >> we have serious problems. >> megyn: i think we can agree on that. >> yeah, we do. >> megyn: coming up, one of america's most popular pastor finds himself the target of an internet hoax. some suggest it's an attack on christians everywhere. we'll hear from the man behind the hoax next. heir 401(k)s?! seriously? seriously. you don't believe it? search it. "401(k) hidden fees." then go to e-trade and roll over your old 401(k)s to a new e-trade retirement account. we have every type of retirement account. none of them charge annual fees and all of them offer low cost investments. why? because we're not your typical wall street firm that's why. so you keep more of your money. e-trade. less for us. more for you.

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>> growing outrage over a defense request in the case of osama bin laden's son-in-law. and lawyers for abu ghaith suggesting it should be delayed because of federal budget cuts and mandatory furloughs. in other words, they want to delay the terror trial over sequester fears. no word on a ruling so far. we will keep an eye on this

one for you. we're getting new details about an elaborate internet hoax targeting pastor joel olsteen. the prank included several fake web postings and madeup news headlines claiming he was leaving christianity. and now the perpetrator is speaking out. trace. >> trace: the man behind the hoax says he was actually doing a campaign, a media campaign trying to get a hold of somebody he says was essentially inaccessible so he created a fake joel olsteen website and plucked screen grabs from cnn and drudge, pastor of mega church resigned, and olsteen saying i'm no longer a christian, that the bible has been a history book altered and in

fact there is zero evidence that god even exists, now, justice trebil is claiming to be the man behind it trying to convince olsteen who address more serious issue, the environment and the obama administration's attempt to dismantle the second amendment. here he is on good morning america. >> i'm a big fan of joel olsteen, i like him, listen to him, i didn't want to hurt the guy or defame him. i wanted a message to get through to this guy, tone down this and get real. >> joel olsteen says he was mildly amused. >> i read that, too, a part of me felt na as well, that somebody wanting to create a stir, i didn't feel any ill-will toward me, that's the way i am. i think that somebody wanted to create something and get some attention which they're getting right now.

>> trace: the hoaxster says he's gotten response from christians and nonchristians and grumps and party-poopers and he has not heard from law enforcement authorities. he may hear from joel olsteen's attorneys, megyn, there may be a lawsuit in the future. >> megyn: could wind up in kelly's court. thank you. we're getting breaking news about this investigation into possible bugging at the campaign headquarters of senator mitch mcconnell. we will have that breaking news for you right after this break. not to mention, we'll take a look how many of the major news outlets have handled this story, suffice to say they're not too concerned that the law may have been broken. they're more concerned by what he said. a group of female bounty hunters now facing a possible million dollar lawsuit after a bail jumper claims they went way over the top to bring him in. we'll show you the takedown outside of arby's and let you decide whether the ladies went

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>> fox news alert. we've confirmed now that the fbi was at the campaign headquarters of senate minority leader mitch mcconnell in louisville a short time ago.

telling that the campaign handed over, quote, pertinent information about what they say was the bugging of their office back in february. now, this story broke yesterday after the liberal magazine "mother jones" posted tapes of meetings inside senator mcconnell's office, they were discussing opposition research ashley judd and others, she is the hollywood access and considered a possible challenger, but since does not want to run. as the story developed, however, it appeared clear it was not the possible crime of possible bugging, this is a top republican in the u.s. senate saying he's been bugged. that was largely ignored, but the politics of what he said were not. just take a look at some of the headlines here, abc news, senator mcconnell recorded plotting against judd. cbs news, mcconnell aides

secretly tape ripping ashley judd. msnbc, ashley judd smear tape. and mitch mcconnell tapes discuss ashley judd. and whack-a-moles on ashley judd and other foes in recording. and joining me is tony, and mark hannah adjunct professor at the new school and former aide to john kerry and president barack obama, gentlemen, welcome, it's interesting, two stories emerging, what did he say, is it news worthy and one is, did somebody break the law in bugging the campaign headquarters of the top republican in the u.s. senate? and let me ask you, mark, let me sort of flip this around. let's forget that he's a republican. a top u.s. senator has his or her campaign headquarters

bugged. that's his claim, right? we don't know whether he was or wasn't, we know that somebody in whom we place public trust is telling us he was bugged, is that a story that the media should be covering, whether he was the victim of a crime? >> if he was in fact the victim of a crime, absolutely. and if the fbi investigation comes back and reveals he was, senator mcconnell, in fact bugged i'm sure that each of the outlets that you cited in the lead-ins will be reporting on that as well, but of the fact of the matter it-- >> wait, wait. we'll go through it step by step. >> okay. >> megyn: no, my question to you, of course if it's proved he was bugged. people are going to have to discuss it. >> sure. >> megyn: what i'm saying is top u.s. senator, alleged, i was bugged. i am telling you, this is the result of a bugging. >> right, no-- >> is that not the story? >> when a politician deflects the story by trying to paint his detractors as looking bad, i don't think that necessarily rises to the occasion of news

worthy. >> megyn: how do you know he's trying to deflect. how do you know he's trying to deflec deflect? how do you know he wasn't the victim of a crime? >> most political observers looking at the quality of the tape suspect it's a leak from his staff. there's no evidence of a bug and even the campaign manager from mitch mcconnell i believe told chuck todd, they did a sweep of the entire office and found no traces of a bug and calling in the fbi. >> megyn: they're saying nobody in their campaign would have leaked, this is family and worked closely with the senator for years. >> that's what they all say. >> megyn: and mark doesn't think it's a story because most political observers do not believe it's a bug. i want to ask you the reverse, is it a story that you've got a top u.s. senator on tape talking about opposition research against a well-known hollywood actress and possible political candidate, and planned to attack, among other things her mental state and suicide attempts?

>> no, absolutely not. mark and i both had a history of working on campaigns and both of us would be hypocritical and feigned outrage if there was salty talk or brain-storming on potential attack. number two, it doesn't show that senator mcconnell made these. >> he was in there and wasn't objecting. here is the bite, there are many. here is the bite getting him in some trouble with some people one of his aides talking about going after ashley judd's mental competency, and her history on this issue. here is the sound bite. >> >> go ahead, tony. >> well, is any of that not factually true? even if it weren't, this was a private conversation. >> it's a political issue.

>> excuse me. >> megyn: hold on, mark. >> was it an issue that put out the fact that mrs. mcconnell's wife is chinese and maybe why he sports policies outsourcing jobs? >> and no, this is part of what we know well-- >> and you were actually an aide to the kerry presidential campaign and obama presidential campaign, i don't know how high up you were in the opposition research meetings, mark. is it in your judgment unusual to talk about getting ugly? >> every campaign pours over the legislative record of their opponents and find out votes they've taken that are inconsistent with the values of the voters. what happened here is a low blow, beneath the office of the minority leader frankly,s' going after ashley judge dealt with depression, and-- >> she's been very open about it. >> she is mark. >> she's been very open about

them, but ostensibly they're using those of objects of political attack in the future which i think is a big distraction of the real issues that kentucky voters are facing. a lot of kentucky voters are rooting for the cardinals after the win and-- >> let me ask you this, mark. >> sure. >> megyn: is it any lower than attacking mitt romney for putting his dog on top of his car for a long family trip? and which was highlighted by david axelrod and some of the president's own supporters? >> in kind of a joking way. you don't have it as-- >> a mocking way, a mocking way. see, it's all good when the other side does it, but then when, you know, you can dish it out and can't take it is the way it works, it works that way on both sides, tony. >> of course it does. this is our business look, what are we talking about, mark, what is the story you think is so egregious here? senator mcconnell sat in, a

candidate sat in on an opposition research meeting during which negative attack lines were discussed and you expect the moral police? no. if these were indeed true and going to be the candidate, these were fair game, number one. and number two you're a former obama campaign staffer, do you recall the political article in 2011 that came from top democrats saying we're going to ferociously attack mitt romney personal and business background. >> i don't recall that, tony. >> do you believe accusing-- >> mark had nothing to do with it, i want to say that for the record. ask you this, realistically, this is an interesting situation, not like they had a bunch of stuff on ashley judd, we didn't know. she's a famous person, an autobiography and tons of interviews and one of the thing they're ripped for it playing audio recordings of ashley judd herself how they can take advantage of them. i want you to be honest, mark, as a former political

operative yourself. >> i always am. >> megyn: would not have taken advantage of a sound bite such as this if it came your candidate's possible opponents? here is one thing they listened to here. >> and we have that verbatim for our listeners on the radio she freaks out in airports about the colors and sounds and last time she came home from a trip i flipped out over-- flipped out when i saw pink fuzzy socks on a rack, i canver

to push me over the edge, mark would we sit around and talk about things, mitt romney with the dog and the car, and when you talk about ashley judd, experience of depression and physical abuse, not just an outdated and outmoded way consistent with these kind of caricatures of republican thinking from the 1940's and 50's in a madmen style of way. it triviallizes, and targets her in a way that's offensive frankly not to just liberals, but moderates who might want to run for office. >> megyn: let's pick up on that. and this is one of the threads coming from mr. mcconnell's critics, it triviallizes women. and two research they were women, much more judd than the other one and saying that how

it shows he's misogynist, anti-woman. >> that's not surprising, megyn, that the democrats can't play the race card or the gender card, what do they have left? my assumption is if mr. mcconnell's opponent was a man he'd have a similar conversation. the point that bothers me, mark may recall, michele bachmann a republican woman i'm sure mark doesn't like so much was accused of not being prepared or fit for office because she had migraines, do you recall that part. a charge by a woman from the obama campaign, stephanie cutter literally went on national televisions. >> a lot of means-- >> intimated that romney was a felon and never walked it back and the obama compare supporting a narrative that mitt romney was i am police seive in the death after woman because bain capital shut down a factory where her husband worked and further debunked. >> megyn: we'll see now. the fbi investigating this and

they'll get to the bottom of it. if it was a leak from the internal staff they'll get to the bottom of that or a bugging. gentlemen, thank you both. >> thanks. >> megyn: coming up next a group of pink-clad female bounty hunters now getting sued after this. we'll show you the tapes. but you can help fight muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor. what's revigor? it's the amino acid metabolite, hmb to help rebuild muscle and strength naturally lost over time. [ female announcer ] ensure muscle health has revigor and protein to help protect, preserve, and promote muscle health. keeps you from getting soft. [ major nutrition ] ensure. nutrition in charge!

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and jonna spilbor, and arthur aidala, wow, don't mess with the lipstick bounty hunters. in their defense, they're going after a guy released on bond amid drug and weapons charges and doesn't sound like a prize, arthur. >> he's not and i just watched the whole video and it's comical, the way the procedure is carried out. >> we thought he said mercy. >> i believe he's begging for mercy. and scared. and they have some heavy weaponry there for quasi civilians, that's kind of what they are. clearly they're not law enforcement officers, but licensed under the the state to carry out this-- we need this, as a criminal defense attorney people jump bail. so you go before the court and the court says i need you to leave a $10,000 deposit to ensure you come back to court, if you don't come back you lose the $10,000 deposit. most often, it's not the defendant that loses it's the

bales bonds person. and they hire the ladies in pink to get the guy and when the guy returns, the judge gives the bail person a release. >> megyn: and two things they should know, number one, the laws governing are bounty hunters are loose. they can do a lot to you and stay within the law and despite the loose bounds, the guy got away. he got away and jonna, that's what the lipstick bounty hunters are saying, obviously it's not excessive. it didn't work. >>, but they did blind him in one eye. >> a-ha. >> arthur is right normally the bounty hunters work. in this case, megyn, this was a contract dispute. he wasn't a fugitive from court. he didn't pay the bill to the bails bondsman. >> he didn't showarthur, say yoa

client that doesn't pay the bills, you can hire them. they're so out of line, megyn. she grabs him in the arby's, got him and the other one has a stun gun and he claims he got stunned. now he's fleeing. don't they have the right to stop the flight? >> not when they're only trying to collect a bill. there was no warrant for this guy's arrest. and he is facing charges, drug and weapons charges, the underlying charges sound serious. >> the underlying charges can be seriously. as long as you keep showing up to court you're okay. and the bails bondsman-- what he did, bounced a check to the bails bondsman and he said-- >> and i'd get the lipstick ladies, too. >> not with the rubber bullets. >> and everything involving the bounty hunters and can and cannot do, whether they used excessive force or not. under the circumstances, knowing they're going after a

guy who's got a weapons charge, a history of carrying weapons, just like the police department does, you don't take any chances. you go in with as much force. >> megyn: and that's the question, is the force, we'll let the tape play out and pick it up after the break. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before youegin an aspirin rimen. it can happen to anyone. talk to your doctor. into brand-new apartments... before rooftops were transformed into electrical generators... before an abandoned lot in brookly could become a vibrant neighborhood... and before hannah seliem could close her very first door to her very first bedroom... an architect, a developer, and our commercial banker, met over lunch and shared a vision. that's the power of connecting an idea to a community. that's bank of america.

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>> a law in california is reasonable force in an arrest situation is the degree of force reasonably needed to detain an individual and protect onesself, watch it. >> (bleep), (bleep). >> hey. >> ow! (bleep). >> ow, ow!

>> arthur, reasonable, reasonably needed to detain someone. >> okay, so obviously if that was a real gun and shooting real bullets, it would be another level, but it seems like they're rubber bullets as you pointed out, he got away, so how hurt could he have been? and if you look, they're pulling and dragging be on him. if these women instead of pink shirts were men wearing black shirts he would have given it up then and there. >> and pink handcuffs. >> what happens in the bedroom i don't want to know about. >> megyn: jonna, does it matter the extent of the injuries, broke his nose and allegedly blinded him in one eye with the rubber bullet. is that relevant to the amount

used. >> and you go in looking for a happy meal and walk out missing an eye, is that reasonable for what they were chasing him for. >> megyn: they also said they had information he wanted to leave the state. >> no, this isn't a reality show, their motivation, they want to get a reality show. >> that may be true. >> with the pink shirts and-- >> could be. >> you don't know what they were saying to him, you can't hear it. could they say we're bounty hunters and we have to bring you back. >> i'll tell you what they're saying: ahh! be right back. i was cooking dinner for my family.

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