>>. if you make under $250,000 you will not see your taxes increase by a single dime. not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains tax, not anything. >> neil: wait a minute! that was then. you make over 250 noud, pay up. this is now. you make less than $250,000, look out. welcome i'm neil cavuto. it's no longer just the rich as the president gets his way with the budget a lot more folks that open on up their wallets like smokers will be seeing a tax on pack of cigarettes to almost $2

and fliers that will get pated for $18 billion and drivers that will have to clean $94 billion in new energy taxes for presumably clean air. i haven't gotten into how favors of all sorts will be out of sorts, banks and insurance companies taxes are going way up. let me add it up for you right now. a trillion dollars. some of my colleagues find today a little bit more than just taxes. charles payne, dr. payne, what do you think? >> the president said not by a single dime. he was telling the truth. there is a lot of dimes. how many dimes in a trillion. i've been saying from day one, everybody who has watched this

show you believe the evil rich holding us back, responsible for this, be careful because you go from manson and manson, you are going to get smaller. hey, what about i my house. you are going have to pay up. you are going to have pay money. this is utopia we are building. >> he is front of a trailer park now. this is so good because it proves that he is a class warrior. he hates -- he doesn't hate. he is going after every class. you think about the payroll tax hit everybody. one of the most regressive taxes is imposed by president obama where he raised taxes on everybody. >> neil: and people enjoyed the cut for two years. it was put back and everyone felt it. these are lot new when they all come to pass, i don't know about you, dagen the hit could be

severe. >> you know what shocked me more than anything, i won't tell you what part of me, they want to cap how much you can save in a tax deferred in this this country. this white house, they know what we need. they know what is right in their minds. three million is most you can put away. you only need what is necessary for you is $205,000 in an annual annuity. it sounds like a lot of money, that is annual pension for police sergeant in and out california. they put a cap out. that is their decision. >> they put on a cap on the tax deduction, the part that is tax protected, right? so all of these things, the amount that you can put into a 401-k into an ira all of them

have policy considerations. there is nothing unusual about that. you can save more for your retirement. >> that is not what you said. how much you can put into a tax deferred account. they are discouraging saving in this country. how does it make sense you have a white house, we know how much you need to live on in retirement. we're going discourage you from putting money away in a tax deferred account. >> neil: she gets angry she doubles up on the southern accent. >> i'm just happy i'm 3,000 miles from dagen right now. >> neil: she does make a good point. charles, this is what happens. when you start realizing as you point out at the outset of show, you are not getting enough money from the rich. you have to go down the food chain. i think this is preview from

coming attractions? >> it is a preview and it has a negative impact on our economy. we know the worst post recession ever. >> neil: you wouldn't tell looking at the markets. >> the point is, this is everywhere. >> neil: fair and balanced, i don't know about you. >> we know you are one-sided but when you hear, always be fair and balanced, i said okay. >> neil: but you don't practice it. >> can i help out here. >> neil: no, we don't want to hear from you. >> the markets don't have anything to do with the economy right now. >> neil: i will ask you this, dr. gasparino, but what it says of an administration that will put far greater emphasis on finding creative ways to get money than save money? >> it's one of the reasons to

defend himself. >> neil: he is watching? >> ben comes out here all the time and tells him to raise taxes but it's so much easier to raise taxes. if you start by raising taxes, will you never do any of the cuts. the only cuts that we had, if you think about it, is very marginal sequester cuts. >> neil: that is off the growth. we have never in this country had an experience where we have cut stuff first and then raise taxes. it's always raise taxes and maybe we might if i had well the potential growth. >> neil: what would you say? >> we should get back to the premise of the segment which is about --. >> neil: excuse me. adam -- go ahead. >> all i would like to say now. all of the new taxes that you

listed at the outset, user fees, this is good public policy. >> neil: you pay more or not? >> in the campaign, the president said not one new tax. >> neil: i can call a goose something else bu a goat but you are paying for something you weren't before. . >> neil: dagen, i want you to give you the end. >> to adam's point. -- this is what my mother used to call nickel and diming me. you get an allowance and you taking additional money, i wanted a pack of gum, i want a

snickers bar. this is low hanging fruit for the white house because they can go after cigarette smokers. they will come after everybody. hold on. hold on. when you have to pay the net federal income tax, they will have to go after that. >> other part of the segment, is the white house. this is something that adam should really address. do you think these guys politician, but one of premises of president obama's reelection was the fact that poor people, people that are not greedy rich will not have to pay. rich need pay their fair share and he is turning it on its head right now. >> neil: what is the fair share for the rich? i've had administration people on and i charlie rangel on the other day. what is the fair share they

could get off their you know what. >> i would say 50%. giving up half the money you've heard that you have invested in is more than patriotic. >> 50%. >> 30%. >> neil: adam? >> i've got no argument with 50%. >> neil: okay. i was going to be zero percent, i am selfish. meanwhile, call it a billion dollar boon, boeing is going to create new jobs in the u.s., but knows those numbers it's where they are spending that money and where they want to hire those folks. that is the really big story. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ phil ] when you have joint pain and stiffness...

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>> neil: getting right to work, literally. boeing is shelling out billion dollars to expand assembly plant in south carolina. it's expected to create 2,000 jobs. in state that let's workers decide if they want to join a union or not, what they call right to work state. dagen is following me closely. what do you think? >> i think we need more right to work states. if you look at the last decade, faster economic growth in right to work states versus states where you have to sign up for union. >> neil: not all of them. >> some of them but broadly speaking when you do the averages, this is the last decade, 2000 through 2009, faster economic growth. >> i like the way she skipped over south carolina's economic growth zbloogd i'm not saying that. but the average do we have time

to talk. >> do we have time to talk about 24 different states. >> you brought up south carolina and i threw the magic of google looked under the unemployment rate. >> it's higher than national average. >> so what am i missing here? >> and they are out performing the states that do not have that. >> in economic growth, population and payroll growth, it's an average, if you do the average it's across the board. you know what, why don't you get a good non-union job at bmw plant? >> that is why, why don't you turn yourself around. >> the big projects, the big construction projects like building plants with 2,000 plants, that has been happening but it's an economic miracle for

places like alabama and other places where people learn new skills. they have job security. i know charlie -- >> how good is the economy in alabama. it's horrible here in new york. >> why do you think michigan is right to work. >> i live in minnesota. >> what about right to work, is euphemism is union busting to make it more difficult to organize, period. this is one variable, what dagen state and what charlie debunked is bad statistics. you can take anything because this is the case, this is why. it's not necessarily why. >> why you ru not taking one state and average of multiple states. why picking one state and not averages. >> the way you were staig

stating statistics there could be a variety of other reasons why. >> neil: there is a commonalty, 22 of that ilk are right to work and their growth is far outpace go the ones that are not. you can make a general statement south carolina's individual nuance is notwithstanding and manufacturing not exactly strong for a while. that state heavily dependent on it. you could make an argument there is a pattern here, right? >> i would make a different argument which is that those states have less manufacturing than the manufacturing states. >> neil: it's fair to say that those that don't have to deal with excessive union contracts and demands tend to do better than those that do not. i'm not making a judgment on the demands, i'm saying less unshackled you can do well. >> it's pretty logical.

if you are a big business and invest billion dollars into a new plant, do you want to place where workers who aren't going to work with you, going to strike all the time. >> you look at the tax structure there is a lot going on. >> paying employees is number one cost for most businesses. >> do you really think unions, whether right to work, that is number one decision whether a business moves in a certain area. >> i think it is in the top two. >> south carolina, one of the things that is facing, work rules that make it hard to produce these things and ability to strike that. is why they are moving jobs there. >> neil: i don't think you should talk to gagsparino again. >> you completed it. >>

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ao >>. >> neil: the government is bragging how it expects to make $34 billion on interest payments on more than $860 billion in outstanding college loans. bragging about screwing kids, i would say class dismissed here? >> absolutely. the government makes its money so the colleges tuition keeps going up. >> you sound like those guys.... >> i will say this, though. they can brag now but at some point it comes back and they are losing money, guess who is going to have to pay for it. >> kids took out the loans. it reminds me of the mortgage crisis, it's j.p. morgan's fault

because he took a loan on a house he couldn't afford. i was a student i came out of graduate school without owing any money because you went to a graduate school i could afford. university of missouri, great university. they gave me scholarship money. i did some work study. you want to know something, i came out of there debt free. >> neil: good for you. >> hopefully everybody is responsible for what they do, charlie. no, this administration... they are protecting kids every day. >> you know what, i have actually no problem. i don't think the government should be handing out free money to anybody, particularly students. i don't like the fact the government is in the business of giving out student loans. if they need to make money to help pay the $17 trillion in

debt. >> neil: on the p.r. level alone to have admit with the all the green investment debacles and then brag and single out, at least we're screwing students. it doesn't look right. you know what i mean. i commend them for finally making money on something. [ laughter ] >> neil: i think its bad move to say, we did it by taking these kids to the cleaners. >> they are commending themselves for a service well provided. i agree with dagen. except i think they should be providing not free money but good inexpensive loans to students, but then the students should pay them back. i don't mind the government saying we did a good thing. >> neil: you the dhi its dangerous precedent? >> i think it's dangerous precedent. >> i hate the colleges.

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and julie radinsky. first mandatory background checks gaining supported from both sides of the aisle. who in the world is going to pay for those background checks, kimberly, this is going to coch us a lot of money. >> kimberly: is tgs going to cost a lot of money and what about the background checks that are already in place. the states bearing this burden. we want to see, where is the value-added benefit from doing this extra layer putting forward the extra costs. apparently they have been able to get these individuals to sign on to it. there was courting on joe manchin's vessel the called the black tie. >> eric: big boat ride. all of a sudden a bunch of republican senators said, maybe we'll sign on to that. jonathan, everything new idea,

every new background check rule and regulation ends up costing the people who are the consumers costing us a lot more money. >> eric, exactly, whether it's healthcare or finance or guns second amendment, regulation punishes innocent people. this is preventative law that says to a lieu abiding citizen, exercising your second amendment right. you have to pay a fine, registration fee. it's an expense. again, it's punishing not criminals or done something wrong, it's punishing gun owners for second million and does nothing to keep our country safer. >> fees and regulations, be a maybe we talked about obamacare for guns, a $10,000 fine. will any of this keep america safer. >> background checks, yes. the guy who shot in virginia tech, he was able to purchase

guns. where he would have subjected to background checks he hopefully wouldn't have gotten a gun. i don't get a background check if i purchase guns online, but you go to a gun show and you don't have to. >> eric: you have to do that. >> what are you talking about? >> eric: most of states you are going to have on to do that. one issue, if i want to give my gun to my mie child, do i have to background check my own kid? >> that is a little nuts. the whole thing is a little ridiculous. here, even if you stopped it. we're going to stop gun sales forever. here you got a kid that has a knife down in texas and carved up 20 people. if you go to middle east they use bombs. there are crazy people. they are going to do whatever they want to. all this regulation is foolish

and this discussion. here you have eric holder who is leading, he is the attorney general of the united states. he pushed something called fast and furious should have been called dumb and dumber in which they pushed arms to mexican gun lords and they found out they killed u.s. agents with their own guns. the whole thing is based on this outrage that came out and obama making it to politicize it, it's worth less. there are too many exemptions. >> eric: police want a website for law enforcement professionals. 95% of them said limiting the magazine rounds to ten or less, 95% said it would have no effect on violent crime. 31% said banning semi assault weapons will also have no effect on violent crime.

>> kimberly: but the real facts, this is like political hype that is going on here. it's not benefiting the democrats or the president. president is down 6% in the polls because he push grab on guns and this legislation and regulation and the taxes and immigration. this is more nonsense. they are not listening to people. >> think about the costs. regulation raises costs. same thing with dodd-frank, all it did was raise costs. it didn't alleviate any of the problems the proponents thought it would. what bothers me this is government is supposed to use force against criminals and not innocent americans, law abiding americans who want to own a firearm. >> 90% of americans support these background collection. what is the problem? people want to say, i feel safer knowing this.

>> eric: a lot of conservatives feel if you push it toward a universal background check, you are actually creating a national registry for guns. a lot of people on the right don't want a national registry. >> okay, but you are not creating. the law of unintended consequences, i wanted to make sure if you sell a gun it won't go to crazy seeing psycho, what is the problem with that. >> eric: i think we have those laws in place. i'm holding up the u.s. constitution, second amendment, this has been in effect for 237 years. is there any need to be changing it right now. >> of course not. i think the whole idea is crazy. we have 18 states for example that regulated. if you have a license as a federal firearm salesman you must have a background check. let me read you a specific. for example, the bureau of justice just reported on

firearms use on offenders, that less than one of prison inmates acquiring firearms used in their crimes at a gun show. for example, this is all nuts. a guy who is a crook is going to get it regardless of background checks. it's all ridiculous. the feds are going to spend a lot of money in the process. >> it's a great point. regulation doesn't stop it from happening. it makes those problems more difficult to detect. like healthcare, doctors to have regulated and it doesn't stop bad doctors from getting through. in free market, individuals decide. gun companies decide and government can focus on people who are actually committed crimes, not just folks they think they are going to commit a crime. >> eric: any indication is this stuff is going to bring down crimes? >> yes, i think it's going to bring down crimes.

a crazy guy commits a crime and goes out to a gun show that doesn't dough a background check he a able to push purchase a gun. >> this is known criminal. >> background check is make sure she known criminal. >> excuse me. if he is nut case he is not going to get a gun. he'll get a knife or a bomb. >> eric: hold on guys. >> kimberly: at least 14 too many but you want to get the federal government involved in something else? all they have been failing in this and anything they have made more complicated, more expensive for the taxpayers or more inefficient. >> eric: we have to leave it there. coming up, hold on to your wallets, letting illegal immigrants to become legal could add trillions to our soaring debt. michelle is next.

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>> arthel: live from america's news headquarters. i'm arthel nevil. a mother is pleading for action against gun violence. delivering the weekly address today, her six-year-old son was killed in the sandy hook massacre in december. the president asked her to give the address focusing on need for tighter gun control. >> word this afternoon that l.a. laker story kobe bryant will be sidelined for the rest of the season. he was injured in the lakers win over golden state. tweeting that the star will have surgery this afternoon and will

be out six to nine months. he is the n.b.a.'s second leading scorer. i'm arthel nevil. get you back to "cashin' in." for all the latest headlines log on to foxnews.com. >> eric: let's say you are for illegal immigration reform? that was before this. they are expected to show making illegals legal would add four to five trillion bucks to the national debt. liberals say it's a no-brainer. michelle, this number is staggering. i knew it was going to cost in order to do this, to pull this off, would it cost us a lot of money but four to five trillion? >> it's actually not new. last time the heritage foundation looks at personal costs of such an amnesty and talking about 11-20 million that

would be absorbed into economy, social safety net, when you net it out, back in 2006, 2007, they estimated between one trillion and four trillion dollars. added because what you are looking at is making them legal, putting them so-called path to citizenship and then giving them the opportunity once they are legal to petition their relatives to come here. we are talking about low skilled or no skilled workers. giving up the sovereign american ability to determine who comes into our country and what skills they do offer us. particularly at a time when there are 23 million legal residents in the country that are out of work. >> eric: the senate is going to drop a bill, immigration reform bill next week. do you expect a path to citizenship. that is different than pass to legality, but do you expect

citizenship to be in that bill? >> that is inevitable result. i think what we need to do every time these discussions come up in washington which are really just desperate political pandering measures and republican party a misguided attempt to rescue themselves from these demographic realities we have to look at past amnesty and what the results have been. what they have done is engage in this kabuki rhetoric about promising we would get enforcement in exchange for temporary amnesty. as i reported in my column there is no such as thing as temporary am amnesty. look at one program, it benefits many people here illegally as a result of misfortune in their home countries, natural disasters, epidemics, the war. this thing has resulted in permanent amnesty that has cost

taxpayers. we're not talking about obamacare costs. >> those costs could soar. >> it will happen. >> eric: is this a path to citizenship or a path to democratic votes? >> it's a about cheap labor and cheap votes. that has been the case since 1986 when ronald reagan made the mistake of giving golden tickets. there have been 11 mini amnesties between 1986 and now and what it has done is seal a permanent ruling majority for the democratic party. republican party is under the delusion somehow if they capitulate it will benefit them. it never has. >> eric: the ap dropped illegal from style book. your thoughts? >> look, the open borders they are trying to whitewash the rule

of law. they are trying to whitewash language, as well. they are trying to blur and eradicate the difference for people that coming come here legally and people that don't. >> eric: michelle malkin thank you for joining us. coming up our panel is back. jay-z is rapping about getting pummeled going to cuba with his wife. but it's spark an important debate. is it time to open up travel to that caribbean island and makes things better. in that spirit, verizon is proud to announce the powerful answers award. 10 million dollars in prizes for the best ideas. . they have the power to change everything. whether it's our inspiration, or yours, the world's biggest challenges deserve even bigger solutions.

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♪ ♪ ♪ >> eric: jay-z versus jay c as jay carney. treasury gave the green light for them to travel to cuba, regardless of that, rapper is rapping. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> eric: jonathan, you don't think the superstars are criminals but free market capitalists? >> i don't think they are good musicians either. [ laughter ] >> unlike cuba we protect individual rights and the right to travel and move. considering cuba is not a

military threat i believe americans should have the right to travel too cuba. government shouldn't give them one red dime. they should announce it as a slave society and people should invest in traveling to countries that don't invest in individual rights. on venezuelan, i recommended chavez nationalized it. so you have a lot of risk that don't respect individual rights. >> eric: is it time to open up transactions with the island nation? >> i think trade helps. when you cut a nation off, look at the problem we have right now with north korea. we don't have any way to know what is going on inside the country. you have to have a trade relationship. you have to put an embassy in there. you have to put all of that in there, otherwise you won't have any infrastructure to find out what is the heck is going on. yes, we should. >> eric: kimberly i think you

are only lone hold out will, no traveling to cuba. >> kimberly: i can to puerto rico. look i disagree with what is going on in cuba. oppression, 3 million people have fled cuba because they have been politically oppressed. why not jay-z and beyonce given the opportunity to use it for the public and social good. that is different issue than what you are talking about from a big perspective. >> eric: no doubt they wasted an opportunity. we can travel to china, we can travel to venezuela and lots of places that are communist but we can't travel to cuba. >> i think it's wonderful. it showed people there what americans were capable of and what our society was about. we have been trying the same policies, castro has been around for hundred years and nothing

seems to have changed. i'm all for it. >> any influence from capitalism any influence from the west would be a positive. i think wayne is crazy. there is a big difference between cuba and north korea which is literally threatening us with nuclear war. we should not trade we're at war. cuba is potted doing it and it should be okay. >> the point is, jonathan, if you are doing it covertly, you want to get inside the country. you have to have pretense here. we love them base going to shoot and kill us. you are sake the opposite. but you want to get a mission in there. you want to get people so you know what is going on. >> eric: i have an idea. kimberly, we'll give them jay-z and beyonce and they give us

cigars. >> i'm sure you are all for that. now, why you want to get in cuba. i like wayne's idea, have an embassy and begin a step and ask questions and make some demands. >> eric: i want to thank you for joining us this week. and government workers get sweet pensions when they turn 50 --50! ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ e doctor told me that i could smoke for the firsweek... i'm like...yeah, ok... little did i know that one week later i wasn't smoking. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostilityagitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix.

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>> time for what do i need to he know for next week. kimba slice, you're up first. >> this is interesting. you wonder why wste have iewl these problems with unfunded pensions. california and illinois have problems. guess what, there's loopholes and there's an example in massachusetts. if you're 50, you can retire with a full or partial pension.

no wonder we're broke. >> not fair. wayne, you're up. >>re i'm saying i'm kind of fuly invested but i'm worried, very suspicious of this rally, so i haven't put any new money to work. look at d.o.g., dog. >> that's a tough one, that's a risky one. marathonha john, you've been ho. what's your call this week? >> ten years ago i predicted interest rates would fall and they did. now i think they'll rise. the japan bond market was down. their rates are shooting up. dsvs, an etn and exchange traded note. it goes up with five years rates. >> we'll leave it there. be sure to sound off on twitter. before we go, listen to dnc chair woman debbie wasserman shuttles asking fdeor special treatment because the good chairwoman doesn't like to wait in line with us little people.

>> our people are feeling frustration. we're in the midst of the spring break season and the lines are very, very long. >> we work hard and pay our tankses antaxes and they're cas. >> hello, everybody, i'm kimberly guilfoyle. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is the five. >> yesterday we told you about a radical professor at usc who trashed republicans p repeatedly to his students. we got an update from the school. we'll tell you about it in a moment. but first,ut let's start with another university controversy here on the east coast. harvardt has hosted some legends otheover the years, winston churchill spoke there in 1943, john f. kennedy in 1962. kor rhett amother teresa in 82.

here we are in 2013 where they've invited a sexist rapper. here are some of his greatest hits. ♪ 20 [ bleep ] that's my life ♪ ♪ >> wow. now we go to our resident rap experten not dana but bob. you studied rap extensively. >> i'm a long time historian on rap music. you know, i'm not sure i understand what the big deal is. this guy clearly -- all the nasty things he talks about, but this is harvard. these people invite all kinds of

whackos to harvard. >> they invited you. >> they invited me in '89. people protesteded me. i don't agree with a thing this punk says except i don't see how you get a big -- i mean, what are you going to do, ban the right to hire whoever they want? let it go. >> i don't think it's the right thing. number one, the rapping isn't even good. it doesn't come close to dana perino. true. >>da boring, unimaginative, basically stuck in 1994. the thing is, it's the fact that i'm with you. i don't care who goes there, but ate least be fair. you can have a lady hating rapper but not a god fearing christian,ch a welcome mat for e person becoming a war path for another depending on their political ideologies or their beliefs, especially if they have to been somewhat traditional. then they turn on them. i think that's the problem. >> is harvard doing the right thing by letting this guy perform? what should be the call here? >> i guess, look. the performance, these lyrics

are no different than any other lyrics on the street now. you cannot believe -- i said yesterday you can't believe some of the lyrics. this is typical. >> you listen to this stuff? >> i hear so much of this, bob, you have no idea. i have a 14-year-old son. by the way, every white 14-year-old boy in the suburbs thinks he's a rapper. they all -- no, they all stand around in groups and freestyle like this. hopefully my son doesn't use those terms and he's not like that or racist. i hope they're not doing this. theyot all think they're this g. they really do. you know, harvard, are they 18 to 22-year-olds? same kids. >> this guy is not a big rapper even in museu music criticism. they consider him a joke. >> you said they ought to invite a christian song writer. this is harvard. do you think they'll do that. >> that'sng my point. >> i? got your point. >> there's a number of on line

petitions for people to get involved to have harvard reconsider the position here of having him perform. in their statement in respecting those students who did not wish to attend the performance, if you don't like it, just don't go. we'd stick like to take part in yard fast, we've moved back the headliner start time. they're backing him up so he's not performing early on. he'lle perform late when people have left. is that good enough, eric? no? >> i'm having a hard time finding the outrage in the story. look. it's ha harvard. it's a liberal school. ifoo the students are against i, then they can not go. don't go. >> i think he performed for the kardashians. they like him. i don't know what that says. >> there were other students. it's not -- there were other students that complained about this because they said look, we work on things like rape on

campus or lbgt type organizations, and they were the ones that were offended, so they first brought it to the attention and said maybe we shouldn't do this on our campus. that's also their right to protest. i don't know whath has happened to the sensitivity or just even appreciating how bad that is. for example, when rush limbaugh called sandra fluck a slut, he apologized, and a lot of people came to her defense because she was being attacked by a crazy right winger, rush limbaugh. you go on a campus and have somebody -- you can't even hear what he said because it's all [bleep]ed. >> because it's bad. >> and he's actually invited to come and do a performance for the students. there's a double standard there. >> but rush was losing -- he has

20 million people he talks to. sandra. >> call her sandra. >> i'm not getting myself in a deep hole here. >> you are. >> he was losing advertisers. of course he will apologize. >>a: why doesn't anyone ever tak about and take on the language and the attitudes that are described in rap music? >>e well, i'll tell you. it's racism of low expectations. no one wants to express disgust of the quality or the content found in a lot of music because they don't want to be perceived ast uncool, but more importantl, they don't want to be perceived as bigoted. there are certain denigrating elements in society that are perceived as part of the culture. thus, you cannot point them out as being wrong. this is where the flaidz and the -- the first lady and the president of the united states

can say this stuff is bad. the one that drives me crazy is there's morality in here that needs to be addressed. the first lady and the president prefer to inject morality into obesobesity and climate changeth is a real problem and they could behe heroes. >> i know you don't think this is a problem, but why is it okay for him to demean women, black women. if a white ra rapper were saying this kind of thing, there would be outrage. >> if you're saying you can't do that -- that's what i'm saying. you say there's a moral issue going on. >> you can address the decline. >> you can't call -- they could do this, but you're censoring his lyrics. >> iri would never say that. it's not about censoring. it's about having the guts to address a decline in human commerce. that's all i'm saying. >> here's the people that should be addressing this, people like jesse jackson and al sharpton.

generally this is directed at the minority community. it exploits one of the worst things that happened in the minority community, having kids out of the wedlock or having guns. michelle obama has her plate full, and by the way, obesity is a serious problem. >> it's not a moral problem. >> it's a moral problem with me. >> real quick, sophia nelson is the author of black woman redefined. michelle obama feels this is an opportunityc for the first lady, for michelle obama who has been quite vocal on issues like this, why aren't we hearing her on this particular topic. she's been vocal for women across the board over the years. why not mention it in a speech or address this? >> do you have any idea the can of worms you'll open up if michelle obama takes down this one, tyga's lyrics, takes him down because it's sexist or whatever it is? then you're really going to look

at probably 80% of the wrap songs. >> we're asking for moral con isn't see on the part of -- con isn'consistency on the part of e firstis lady. >> when the kid is blowing people away and scrimmage natalie -- here's the good news about rap, you can't understand it. >> i'mrl glad we waited for that illuminating comment. a lot of people are talking about a professor at usc and what he had to say about republicans. we're moving from the east coast to the west coast. listen to what he has to say. 30% of registration in the states are really stupid and racist. the republican party in california, all the time on the record in print and on radio is the last vestage of angry old

white people. that's what this is. >> that was a professor we were talking about. darry sragow is the professor. the freedom to take unpopular position and the freedom to express those positions publicly are at the foundation of whatomt means to be a faculty member of a university. we officiall officially protects to protect those views. >> can i respond to i that? >> no one said he doesn't have the right to say that. this is typical self righteous liberal tactics. when they're saying like oh, what you're trying to do is take away the rights. no, we're not. we're justs pointing out this is biased dialogue occurring on campus and it's denigrating american higher education. however, we're not saying don't do it. we're saying you shouldn't do it. >> let me be consistent. i'm sorry, dana. let me be consistent here. there's a big difference between what this guy did and what harvard inviting someone who

does a performance at night where you have an option to go and watch this performance. these kids are in a classroom. they have to -- they've signed up for it. they're a captive audience to that man, and that is the ce defining line between what harvard did and usc did. >> a the parents should call the university anddi pull their kids from the class. make a stand if you're against it. >> i was going to say to the provost, if they do annual reviews of performance of the professor, they ought to brick this video in -- bring this video in and decide if this is the kind of quality not for just what he said, he's the most boring professor i've ever seen. >> the 52 to 60,000 usc charges you, you work so hard to put your kids in a school to levin to that -- to listen to that garbage? >> let me be the only person at this tamtoe to disagree with the comment. this is greg gu gutfeld's, the posteposter child for all the ll

professors. >> where are the exceptions, bob? >> there are plenty of exceptions. >>th again, i think it's time tt you pull up some of those conservative professors that spew conservative right swing stuff to their captive kids. >> they haven't been able to print those pages off the beckel almanac. >> just get them. >> once again, it's an interesting friday, right? you don't want to step away because next up on the five, the jojodi arias trial is getting a lot of attention. there's a horrific story about the abortion doctor charged with murder that the main stream media is not reporting on. we'll figure out why straight ahead. [ music ]

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♪ >> jodi arias is the perfect example. americans are gluedle to the tue for the trial. there's another murder trial underway m not getting much attention in the process involving the murders of seven newborns. the capital murder trial of a pennsylvania doctor charged with killing seven babies born alive during abortions. the details of the case are so disturbing, so horrendous, we're not going to go through them at 5 p.m., but trust me, they would break your heart. so why isn't the story getting much coverage? >> i would love an answer to the question why the media isn't covering it. usually when there's murders like this, the media will say

what happened, right. nobody's asking. on this r i would think it would be unanimous. >> hard to argue that the story raises inconvenient editorial issues for the mainstream media. there are plenty of pro abortion commentators while limiting pro lifers to the trickle. where is the media now? > >> dana: some of the liberal media defended themselves earlier today and said in 2011 when the horrific crimes came to light that they reported on it then. we know the difference. jodiy arias, casey anthony.

let's take jodi arias. because it's so horrific and a human tragedy and a societal failure on so many levels, they don't want to talk about that, but with jodi ai arias because t has to do with a woman who some people think was very attractive, who killed her boyfriend and a then either in self-defense or in cold blood, that's what the trial's about, and she says that there was horrible sexual relations between the two of them. then that gets sexy, right? you can talk about that all day long. they follow the trial and you have a prosecutor who is quite dynamic and loves to play for the cameras. that gets a lot of attention. this story is harder for somebody to sit all day and to talk about this because you can't even get through a sentence without your heart catching in your throat because you think you're going to cry about what happened to these babies. >> but t we do that every time there's a mass shooting. we deal with it. that's the key. that's the question you have to ask the media.

what if instead this guy had used a gun? this story would be everywhere. >> greg: let's even go to something more preposterous. what if thiso happened at sea world and ther they were animal? that would be all over the news. >> dana: there would be legislation propose. >> greg: exactly. the fact is you're playing in a very, very controversial world right now in which people have very strong h opinions about abortion and about pro life. it makes me wonder where is this collective, where is the village that promised to help raise your kids? they're absent, especially in these neighborhoods. this inner city philadelphia clinic where perhaps a thousand abortions are performed each year, where black babies are seen as disposable. where is harvard? where is usc? i guess it's only those stupid republicans and conservatives who care about black kids. >> bob: well, i would argue with whether we heard anything about this in the "wall street journal" or whether we heard about this in a lot of

conservative newspapers around the country. part t of this may be about the choice versus pro life. part of it is it's such a difficult topic to stick with, i'm not sure that there isn't something to be said about where do you go with this? do you remember when -- and having said that, do you remember when that woman put three kids in the car. what was her name? whae?does anybody remember her ? down in the south. >> kimberly: susan smith. >> bob: ian thought it was thre. or the woman that drowned five kids in houston. we went with those stories for a long time. now i'm making my second point. this is why i'm confused in my life. >> aren't you saying because it's abou about abortion, we'ret talking about it. >> kimberly: his first point was that yes, a part of this piece, what we're discussing is that there's the w difference between pro choice, pro life, and maybe that's why they're not covering it because this is not good for

the pro choice movement because it means this is what you're supporting, legislation and doctors that murder children. hohorrifically murder children. >> are you saying if that doctor had killed those seven babies with a gun it wouldn't be shown on main stream media. > >> bob: let me ask you a question. do you think that really in a newsroom or in a big broadcast they would say we're not going to cover this because it's an assault on pro choice position and therefore, we're not going to do it? i have a hard time imagining that. >> dana: i think it is unspoken. i think it's a way you avert your eyes and move on. one of the bloggers for the "washington post" said it was a local crime story and that's why it wasn't being covered. every story could be described as a local crime story. i want to give some credit to social media which we talk a lot about, the power of it and also

conservatives who finally there is a medium for conservatives to come together as a group and to push on something. it's a place where you can find the story and you can see the picture of the jury box that was reserved for reporters at this trial, empty. they're the ones that started really pushing and it might have been other outlets as well. that's the one that caught my eye. i've been following it on twitter. i saw this movement and now you see finally other people starting to get involved. there's power in social media to try to hold the media accountable. they should be holding each other accountable, too. >> greg: another group of people are being protected. that's the reason why the debate hasn't come up. it's the people that perform abortions under the idea that these people are the ones making the decisions when this happens and during the debates on the born alive infant, senator barack obama saying things like we trust the doctors to make the right decision.

clearly, there's doctors who don't. >> bob: most of these abortion doctors stay within the law. >> kimberly: none of them should do it. hold on, bob. >> bob: to that argument, if the gun argument, you're saying it shouldn't happen once. >> dana: life is precious. every life is precious. stories like this challenge somebody who might think that doesn't know if they believe that life begins at conception or not. something like this you look back and you think what happens to those little babies. that happens from the beginning. if there's an abortion even early on. it challenges that. that's a harder thing to talk about. >> kimberly: i've been cut off three times important. this is the bottom line and it's important. over stories like this to prevent this from ever happening. it's not okay. make the stories known so people know this is what's going on. this is where your taxpayer money is going . this is wher what you need to be

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>> greg: so jane fonda is playing first lady nancy reagan in an upcoming film called the butler. veterans are ticked off because fonda's most famous picture isn't a moving one but a photo of her seated on ab anti-aircraft battery aimed at us. i t a navy veteran has started a movement to boycott the movie but jane had a mocking message for him, quote, get a life, unquote. that's exactly what she said. when asked about it by the hollywood reporter of the controversy, she added if it creates hoopla, it will cause pomore team people to see the m. the film is distributed by the weinstein brothers. john cue sack, a lefty, is

playingn williams and robin williams is playing eye sen hour. they're trying to up upset the right people. the movie gains mojo by satisfying the smirking left. so let them. who cares about these fools? look. we know this is a casting stunt meant to create an uproar. telling a man who served his country to get a life when his angry response is exactly what you wanted, it makes t you a je, but it's jane fonda. she's had 40 years of practice. expecting her to change now is like expecting opera from a toad. we know jane fonda has apologized. >> jane fonda made one terrible mistake. she admitted it. >> she had mid she made a mistake and she said it was the worst thing she could have done. when are we going to begin the christian practice of forgiveness here.

>> wait a second. i thought you dated her. are you compromised? >> that was peter fonda. >> bob: and he was a great date. let me tell you something. this woman has been vilified by the right for such a long time. yes, she made a mistake. the fact that she's playing nancy reagan, big deal. nancy reagan, don't say it. >> kimberly: you've done it now. you've done it now. >> bob: a great lady. by the way, she said get a life. she vilified the right. >> bob: she said with oprah i did something that was unforgivable. >> greg: let's not forgive her for it. >> bob: that's the kind of logic that drives you right wit whereu are. dana, what do you think? does this matter. by the way, do we at all into their strategy because they know the hoopla helps? >> dana: i don't think that anyone in hollywood would have

satisfied those of us who admire nancy reagan. i don't think that we would believe that anyone could hold a candle to her. i don't know who else c was in e running. i think that would be interesting to find out, who else might have tried out for that part. kimberly if we could ever find out. i don't think anyone could have ever reached that level where we said oh, great choice. it probably wouldn't have happened. >> what did you think, kim? >> kimberly: she sent questions to nancy reagan which she answered. nancy reagan was okay with it. bottom line, i'm not a fan of jane fonda, okay, so -- >> dana: did you use to do the exercises, though? >> kimberly: i was more of a thigh master, suzanne somers. >> bob: that when you were a victoria secret model? i was m just curious. i didn't know that. i don't understand. there's been a lot of great first ladies taking a lot of positions.

she didn't doio that many compad to barbara bush, for example, or others like that. what's the big deal? >> dana: i don't criticize any first lady for any policies decisions they make. not only do they have the opportunity to decide the issues they want to work on, they have to create the atmosphere in the white house so the president can do what he or she needs to do. it cab a cold place. they make it a warm place for the president. >> does that include when they're no longer a president and -- a first lady and they're going to run for president in three years? the clintons are coming back, big boy. >> dana: most people think that would bepl preferrable. than current day. >> greg: the point is this is mistaken as edgy for an artist in america to do stuff like ths when it's a stunt. there's nothing edgy about this in america. try doing something in a

depressed country where real artistic depression takes place. this is as edgy as a veggie meatball. >> bob: robin williams is in this movie. >> greg: coming up, she stormed the music scene yesterday with the rap heard round the world. everyone is talking about tiny d today. we play her hot new track and reveal her exclusive new album cover ahead on the five. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] red lobster is hitting the streets

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were a kid and you would do something that your friend told you to do and then your mom would say if your friend told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it? >> dana: you would have to think about it. greg is that frienoud of mine, d yesterday he had a great idea for me to spoke some fun at myself and at the rapper hoss went to cuba. you didn't see my rap? we'll play it for you now. >> my name is tiny d and i'm here to say i do funky white rhymes. if you love castro, stick with jay-z but if can you love your freedom, pick jp. that's me. >> that was the worst rap ever, but it was funny. it surprised me, greg, today that this afternoon some people on the left, the whole left, don't have a sense of humor and i'm being called a racist. > >> bob: you know, they're right. >> greg: this is what passes for

intellectual rigor on the left. if they can't come up with anything, a response, they have to call you a racist. they're drones in earphones. they're so pathetic. the whole point of that rap was to show that you can't rap, that you arew physically incapable of having any rhythm whatsoever. >> dana: i can rhyme, though. >> greg: you can rhyme but those were written by bill who is a racist. alll you dumb [bleep] bloggers out there calling her a racist, i've got to ask you. what are you done in your free time. have you gone to africa and worked at an hiv center? i don't think you have. dana has. >> dana: kimberly, we were all cracking up. why can't they laugh about it? it was funny. >> kimberly: we thought it was funny. i thought it was really good. >> dana: thank you. >> kimberly: this is the worst rhyme? this is good. >> greg: you are mentally ill.

>> dana: what does your son think. >> kimberly has a 5-year-old or a 6-year-old and he's not listening to this stuff. dana, i love you. >> dana: yes. >> it wasn't good. >> dana: i like the sparkle. >> if the left is attacking you for laying down some lyrics and having a little fun with it, then they have a problem with ever y -- like i said, every white suburban 14-year-old who thinks they're the next jay-z. >> dana: they didn't have a problem with jay-disi jay-z ande for getting a cull ra visa. >> they don't care about the suffering. before we do that, can i point out that i came up with your name, your rap name. >> dana: vanilla knight. let me read you this tweet and we'll go to bob because he's great under pressure. he's going to prove that you can do this. let me see, do we have the tweet available that was written about

see. this rap response from dana preno to jay-z shows how laughable minority outreach is for the g.o.p.. honestly, this is what they wanted to pick up. >> this was @rich1? >> dana: don't follow him, he this is your time. > >> bob: if you think you had a bad rap, i want to say this. this is what i wrote down. dana perino, the new major rapper store, is joining herman tyga at harvard yard and will appear but she's broken out of her hood and man, she should. that home girl been straight for so long, she said to her upper crust honky friends, i'm gone. >> dana: thus proving the point that it's really not that hard. mmy album is coming up.

we're not going to follow this guy. the presently notification is the best part. it says terrible rap. >> you say my album is dropping next week. >> dana: my album is dropping next s week. >> bob: dana perino, the rapper star is joining rapper tyga at harvard yard. >> dana: coming up, it was a field of streams last night in the dodgers game in san diego. a fight in the sixth inning cleared out and left a pitcher with a broken collarbone. i'm going tour kimberly's secret when we come back. ♪ it ♪ ♪ anything you need ♪ you got it ♪ anything at all snu you got it baby ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> bob: it was a fight last night between the managers. not in the boxing ring. here's what happened during the sixth inning of the

dodgers-padres game in san diego yesterday. stop. >> oh. hit again, and he didn't like that at all. look at this. he challenged him, and we've got a serious melee going. >> bob: padres slugger carlos quentin charged the mound after being hit in the shoulder by a pitch from dodgers right-hander zack grind key. other players cleared the dugout. by the end, grin greinke walkedy with with a dislocated shoulder. eric, you're a professional baseball player. how many brawls did you get in? >> a lot. yes one, you throw at someone like that, the mound will get attacked by the ballpark. don't miss that badly. these guys are worth $150 million. if you want to brush a guy off the plate, you brush him off. he put that one on his upper shoulder. here's the question, though. if you get attacked by a batter, what are you going to do, run?

if he runs away, he's done. >> bob: he's done now. he has a broken collarbone. >> just for a couple of weeks. >> bob: this guy was hit -- quentin hasn been hit more times than any other player in professional baseball. i wonder if he's not a little responsible for that. >> kimberly: the dodgers need all the hem they can get. >> bob: sorry. in the master's golf tournament, this just in, tiger woods is now leading by -- he's got five strokes. he's minus five. there's a guy there, this is the phenom from china, and excuse me when i try to pronounce his name. he's t 14 years old, supposedly. and his name is -- do you want to take a shot at this? this guy is the youngest -- if he makes the cut -- >> that's tiger, though. > >> kimberly: oh, my gosh.

this is the worst segment. >> bob: what do you mean it's not good? he's the youngest amateur in the history to make the cut. >> dana: doesn't that prove that golf is too easy? >> greg: i'm outraged. i'm outraged. >> bob: i'm trying to find out why anybody believe this kid kis 14 years old. >> dana: you're saying maybe this kid is older than the kids in the olympics? >> bob: this is china we're talking about. they hack into everything and steal everything. you le think they let this kid e over without some enhancement? it's china. everybody loves china. i don't. >> greg: do you know how hard it is to play at that level? >> bob: yeah. >> the kid is on par to make the cut. he's 14 years old. that's amazing. if you watch him, he's small.

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i adored him growing up. he was just an amazing, amazing talent, and he will be missed. >> kimberly: okay. bob? >> bob: i've got two things to o say. one is before i get back here on monday and apologize for something again as usual, i didn't mea an to assert that all chinese were small stature. i wish this kid great luck. at 14, he made a 75 today. good luck to him. my son t is an amateur golfer ad a very good one. this is a very difficult thing to do. now, having said that, they have this guy, yao ming, is 7-feet tall. obviously they're not all small. >> kimberly: that was the worst apology. that was awful. >> bob: do me a favor, give me the shovel. >> kimberly: dana? >> bob: i'm not done yet. i want to say we have some fans of the five out here from connecticut yesterday, and they had their license plates made. >> greg: they'll be taking them off later.

>> dana: does o'reilly have vanity plates called the one? >> kimberly: now you've done it. >> bob: we've got ourselves in big trouble. >> kimberly: i'm pulling this up because i wondered what kimberly keeps in the bag. i don't know how she carries it. she carries it all over new york. she wears those shoes. she can walk in them. you would not believe the t this in there. it's heavier than her child. it's gothe a hat, makeup brush, scarf, if h febreeze. that's amazing that you thought ahead. medicine. >> kimberly: i'm trying to find something that would get bob excited. >> kimberly: this is like a 40-pounda: bag. >> greg: how many batteries does it take? >> bob: you know what she's got in there? she's got all the wedding rings from her four marriages. >> dana: butterscotch life savers. it's an amazing bag. >> kimberly: peanuts and everything else.

>> bob: do you carry this around? >> kimberly: i doun everywhere. dana is always on me to organize the bag. anyway, we're done. >> bob: are you want me to take -- sure you want me to take the full screen? look at the special guest. kimberly gill file joins us tomorrow -- guilfoyle joins us tomorrow morning on cashing in. tomorrow, the nra500. it couldn't get better, folks. have you tyou have to see it. do he they race attention around? >> kimberly: mine is unfortunately with all these federal budget cuts, something else besides the blue angels will be missed. week. disaster. >> bob: this will break your heart. >> kimberly: all the ladies look forward to the influx of men into new york city and other places. the point is it's a shame. also, check out hannity tonight. i'm joining sean