thank you harris faulkner. see you in the middle much huckabee. >> mike: good evening, i am mike huckabee and thank you for joining us for a special on obama care. we are delighted to have you here f. you are an employer, you probably have been turned every which way or trying to figure out obama care. if you are a medical provider you are spending less time practicing medicine but spending more time digging through the obama care and all of the rules that members of congress didn't dig through or redread. when nancy people peel said >> we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is

in it. >> mike: yeah. well, it did pass and the extreme court invented an excuse to keep it by call a tax. we are turning out it was worse than finding a fly in the soup. it is like finding a soup in your flyings. even jay rockfeller one . sponsors of obama care quoted in a rare moment of candor when he said this. the law is so complicated and if it is not done right the first time, it is just going to get worse. toup this worse, it is beyond comprehension. invite senator rockfeller to come on the program and he decollide. but we got in statement. he is strong in his belief that the law will do good for many millions of americans.

when it is fully implement indeed 2014 it will be the first time such ape sweeping health reform law goes into affect. but they wanted to encourage the administration to get ahead . challengeless so that implementation goes smoothly as possible. >> maybe hotdogs earlier statements were more candid than comfortable. or maybe, maybe he got a late night phone call from valerie jar ed. not one democrat ran on a platform on obama care and i can't imagine that anyone would next year. it is popular as being prepped for a colon oscopey. honesty about obama care is not popular. when they explain how it caused prices to up. they get savaged by left wing

actvist and companies like hobby lobby opt out of the procedures because of moral principle. they are sue fined millions of dollars. we'll give you honest and truthsful answers about obama care in the huckabee special. i am worried, maybe you wonder amip actually worried at all that i will be a target of the left? nah? i am. we'll nind out how honest and truthful the president was when he toweled things like -- told you things like this. >> the only thing is that your healthcare will cost less. if you like your doctor you will keep your doctor period. if is a costs that will not, i repeat will not add to our deficits. >> mike: right. lauch laugh --ny matter your age or income lemp.

obama will impact your life, budget and your healthcare. let me put it this way, you probably can't afford obama care. but you for sure can't afford to miss tonight's special eof huckabee. [ applause ] >> let me introduce you to the panel. this is tennessee congressman who is the associate of medicine in nyu medical center and fox news medical correspondant . betsy mccoy former lieutenant government of new york and author of the book, beating obama care. glad to have you here tonight. dr. segal we'll start with

you. we want to try to help our audience to understand about obama care. president said if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, will we be able to keep your doctor. >> that is a conversation you need to have with your doctor. first of all, your doctor in private practice might decide not to keep the office open or try to see more patients or cut back . in massachusetts, a problem with that. there may be a delay. your physician may join a hospital or larger group and decide now is the time to cut back. he may not take medicare and change the insurance he takes. >> let me help you avoid the land minings. if you are a baby boomer. line up your internist and card yottle if you are healthy. if you wait until you turn squiff and get on medicare,

you will not find a doctor to take you on as a new patient. >> judge mathis: why not? >> this law. i read this law so you don't have. over hamp of this law is paid for with cut to medicare and doctors will be paid less to take care of seniors than any other patient . if you are a senior, brace yourself for less care for the same reason because of the cuts. energy you may not only lose your doctor but have trouble finding a hospital willing to take care of you. richarder who works for the president warned that some hospitals will stop accepting medicare because the payments will be so low. >> a lot of these comes becomes because of the independent payment advisory board . that will tell your doctor and medicare what they can. >> mike: this is cover this is

not. who is on that board? >> who is by. hhs poom. >> i not practicing physician. they are chosen by individuals to make determinations and decision . those decisions that they make are influenced by the preventive tarving force. i invite your audience to see what it said about prostates and mammogramy. they will tell the insurance companies what you are going to be able to have access to. >> mike: that a fear. do you have centralized control and it is not the doctor sitting down with the patient saying i think i need to order you a mammogram. it is checking to see the federal board of bureaucracy saying i think you ought to ha >> that's the costco-board.

37 medicare patients can't find a doctor. when you load obama care. you can use it to order whatever test you need. a elderly person has more medical problems. >> before ipack goes into. sectioning 3000 a of this clause. awards bonus points to the hospitals that spend it is least per senior. i wouldn't take my beloved dog to the vet that spends the least for animal and i am supposed to take my mother to the hospital that spinds the least. they have higher death rates. if you are a senior and you had a heart attack. you have a less chance much make home if you ever in one

of those hospitals. >> there is a new readmission policy and that readmission policy will penalize the hospital if 30 days you are readmitted. want hospitals will be more judicious in how they approach that. >> it is misleading phrase. it is recklessly denying care because when you reward the hospitals that spend the least per senior, right. that means they are not wanting to do hip or knee replacement and the way they count this. it includes 30 days after the patient is discharged. they will not want to prescribe the rehab you need or the return trip to the cardologist. >> it is the patients that suffers. they may go home with something and may have heart failure that may not go away . go out to the community and see a doctor there and maybe

they can't find a doctor . come back to the hospital. oh, no here they come gain. we want hospitals with open arms. >> let's help people cope with this. one . things i say. if you are going to the hospital be aware that they will have less nursing care and you will wait longer. if you can cobal the private duty nurse for the first night, do it. >> mike: it sounds like it is a lot of fun sorting through obama care and that's why you need to stay with us. . all of this hour we'll need to answer questions just like these . one of the most important things we hope to do for you tonight is help you understand not the political issuings of obama care. wement to talk about how it will you and obviously as you can see in our first segment. it will affect your acess and cost and everything that

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>> mike: in 1994 it is care. it would make it and expand coverage for the people of tennessee. should 10 care be a warning. maybe so. congresswoman you were in tennessee when it was introduced and reformed and greatly changed and now you are warching the country do what your home state did. tell us what to look for.

>> indeed. every time secretary sebluous said what are your lessons learned from ten care. the legislative body in tennessee and could not reconfigure it because it a partnership because cms. >> medicade over care. >> that's right . between the office of the governor in the state of the tennessee and done underain 1115 waiver. it quad ruples in cost. everybody has their card . they have acess to the queue but back to the first point, they couldn't get to the doctor and so they were having to wait and you were having to drive hours to get a pediatric dentist or specialist and when people can't get acess to the

care they are frustrated and we saw with our providers and hospitals, i had in my state senate district people who got 26 cents on the dollar of care delivered. not what was billed but care delivered and so indeed the governor came in amid twint're 2000s reed the program because 35.3 percent of the state budget. >> mike: good heavens. you saw it up and the four-year fight that i led of the imposition of the state attacks. something had to pay for this because the state couldn't afford it >> mike: i want to give credit to the governor who is a democrat but an able administrator. he had to wrestle this thing to the ground. betsy, when all of this is talked about . i am not disparage the motives

of the people who thought obama would be great because we as well a lot of uncovered people. but no one was looking to state accident. tennessee and massachusetts and n to some degree hawaii. the states tried it and if it worked we did it . if it didn't we wouldn't. >> you are right. of course, members of congress didn't read the bill. we need plain, honest engish. am i right? that members of congress will vote -- read before they vote on it. congress repeated the mistakes of like new york where we are today . the fact is, congress passed a law that requires everybody to buy a one size fits all health insurance plan that covers

many things that plans didn't cover before. it is passing the law. only car is a fully loaded cadillac . that's why the prices will be so hh. >> to betsy's exact point. health insurance start indeed the 60s. doctors said we can't get what we want because patients will not pay for it. it is way too comprehensive and now obama care expands it. instead of looking at the program you can look at medicare and people who are sick can't get seen. obama care gives it to more and morpeople . you have cadillac and bronze plans and platinum plans . they are aptly described because they cover too much and that is expensive. if you have all of the bells and whistles, you get in the way of someone sick. >> and a couple who has no

plans for more children has to pay for pregnancy care . . most 65 years old don't need maternity care? >> until they reach 65 they will have to pay for it. >> this is it a program in our special tonight. one size fits all that all of our panemist talked about is equivalent to going in the store to get a snack of peanuts and soft drink. you want a snack and you have to the rib eye din yer salad and soup and dessert. that's the only way to sell it . when we return we'll get back into this. by its nature obama care will be more expensive than you dreamed and certainly ever

promised . what i'm a handful of republican governors are now accepting the medicaid expansion and insurance, texas is refusing to accept the funds. coming up, i will ask texas attorney general greg abbot to avoid caving in to

mr. #1: we are back with the panel who is talking about the heavy cost of obama care. on wednesday department of health and human services fessed up and saying that the cost to help states set up're interchanges will be doubled the estimated two billion dollars. the costs will come in at 4.4

billion for 2012 and 2013 and the bill will reach 5.7 billion in 2014. now the exchanges were set up so small businesses and individuals not covered could compare and shop for plans. one of the states that declined the exchanges is texas. i spoke to attorney general abbot to ask him why. texas is one of the 26 states that did not join in and doesn't plan to expand medicaid. why not? >> on the exchangings what the federal government wanted the state to do was federal subcontractor with us picking up the tab for doing their work. as we saw last westbound. sebiluous said the cost will more than double in price. this is going to be a costly operation and operation that now the federal government is going to have to pick up, and

frankly because of the challenges of implementing the change necessary the entire united states. governor, this is one of the reasons why obama care is going to implode. your other question medicaid expansion. let me explain why we will not do that. united states supreme court and obama decision specifically said it the hotel california situation. states can check in but once you check in you can't check out f. we check in the system where the federal government will reimburse 102 percent and then rarched it down to 90. it would be a contractual agreement with a party that is 16 trillion in debt and not continue to reimburse the states at that rate. meaning that the state of the texas and all of the other states opting in the system will pick up greater percentages of the tabs of the bill cutting in our ability to

provide things like education and transmission transportation and things that states are suppose tod here is talk about how much pressure the states are under. i talk to governors and attorney generals. they are under squeeze from providers and hospitals and from other medical practitioners who want all of the federal money coming in. have you felt squeezed in texas and are people putting the pressure on saying this is free mon yewe need to take advantage television? >> i really believe, governor that people are recognizing two or three different things. one they are recognizing as we are learning more details about how obama care really workings. they are seeing the magnitude of the problems with the system and how obama care may not work at all . the another thing, governor, the healthcare providers and doctors who are called on to

provide the care and under the medicaid system, there a are opting out of providing healthcare under the system because they are losing money on patients and they treat more patients and losing money on the patients doesn't mean they can treat more people. under obama care, there would be less acess to healthcare and not more acess to healthcare. people are coming under the recognition that the state of texas idea is the superiored why. for the federal government to provide a block to the states and the states can create a program that is effect itch for the states on state and healthcare providers in the state. >> mike: we appreciate your perspective. great to have you with us today. >> thank you, governor always my pleasure. >> mike: betsy mccoy. texas is one of the states saying no can do. >> we'll explain the

exchangings. so many people will lose the on the job coverage and many will. the exchange like a super market that sells cereal or car dealership that onlisomes sedans and no hatch backings or convertiblings it is one size fits all. and the assumption is that we are not smart enough to choose the kind of health insurance we want and when you hear the blons and silver and gold and platinum it is all the same benefit only the co-pays and deductibles are different. don't be bamboodled. >> and now they will hire navigators in place so you don't want to talk to your insurance agent they say. talk to a government-paid union member navigator who is paid $28 or $48 an hour and tell you which insurance

policy they need. >> mike: you can see there are many, many points of obama care that are challenging, and let's talk about what happens in business. obama care requires business owners with 50 or more employees to lorf worker that is log more than 30 hours a week. many bosses said they will have to pass the cost on to the consumers. we'll talk to a business owner about the challengeless she faces under obama care. stay with us. .

now back to huckabee . >> mike: tomorrow be sure to watch ape fox news reporting special. your secret is out and how it threatens your liberty and privacy. fox news investigates a secretive government spy center that is a turn key totalititarian state . president obama deploying a

data mining operation to gain the advantage over mim romney. that is right after the huckabee. we'll be back with our panel. betsy and dr. segal and congresswoman. obama care will force companies with more than 50 employees to provide medical insurance who work 30 hours a week. if they don't they will pay a fine . in anticipation of the changes when the franchize owner told their workers expect their hours to be reduced. the company that runs olive gard yen red lobster. they considered not offering full-time position and founder of papa johns voiced concerns over the man date. gina is owner of little rock tours a bus company could . more than 50 drivers.

gina joins us from little rock. thank you for joining us today. >> it is great to be with you, governor. >> tell me the challenges you face because of the seasonal nature much your business. sometimes you are over 50 and sometimes under 50 employees. how do you navigate all of that? >> good word. well, that is what is challenging about what we are going through at little rock tours in that we have a unique industry not only for the motor coach industry but transportation industries in general. when our drivers are out on the road, vuto keep in mind they spend the night in hotels and they will go off for a group for a week and spented seven dapes in the room. we pay them by the day and their part-time hours add up quickly on the road and we are trying to figure out the

full-time equivalency and whether or not we'll have to require the healthcare with our employees or not because currently i checked our last pay roll and if you add up the total number of hours and add to the full-time staff which is how the legislation is written. we have 47 full-time employees, which under the legislation it would not affect us. however, next week, we might have a great week and our buses may be running out longer and in the real world that is it a good thing unless if we exceed the 50 hour full-time . eep man date and at that point, we would have to be require tod provide the health insurance. we understand that this all upon adds up a certain number of weeks and hours. 30 hours per week for full-time equivalent and in the end, we don't know in the end of the year whether or not we'll exceed that or if we will stay under that.

we are not sure what is going to happen. >> you know, i have to surmise that you don't know what the would be. but if you end up having to put health insurance on all of tholce employees, something that you are not budgeting to do. you are not talking about. hundreds of thousands of dollars. >> you are absolutely right. you are right . if is very challenging to project that. especially because of the number of variable employees that we have . you add that up with the unpredictability of diesel full and all of the other regulations that the transportation industry is enduring and it spems disaster for a lot of folks. a lot of folk necessary our industry and colleagues said that the obama care legislation the nail in the covfin and it was not worth it because it is so unpredictable. >> gina, i will not ask you if the governor was ever on one

of the tour buses? >> i have. >> iment to ask you, if you had more flexibility instetted of paying 60 percent of the value of the policy and you do i want have a lot of room for deductibles and the law we feel is overrestrict being you. would you have the freedom to have employees on the promise condition as in the past. it is the restrictions that are the problem? >> it is it the restrictions and the areth metic and we'll have to figure out if we are going to be penalized and currently we offer health insurance to all of our staff members who want it. but the thing is, it is so expensive for the drivers who are retired and drive for fun. but in the end, we'll have to do the math to see if we equal that full-time equivalent and

there is no flexibility because not only to are we looking at that but the affordability test and see if the plan we offer pass the affordability test that our employee can't pay more than nine percent of the income and we don't know what the income is . by the end of the year, nais determined by the amount of book beingings that we do. >> i have a question for gin a. how much. this is marsha black burn. how much has your insurance gone up over the past couple of yearings. what percent of increase have you seen in the health insurance you are offering your employees? >> i know for our specific plan and family it went up 42 percent across the board. yes, it did. >> there are audible growns. >> and yes, the thing is for what she is saying there. governor, we are finding out from meem we are survey the . ears we are surveying, this

year it went up between 26 and 132 percent. that is what we are see the expect anticipation is that next year, it is going to go another 40 percent on ang. >> mike: we have to take a break. gina, thank you for joining us . you remind us how complicate today is for someone who wants to run a business and not hire accountant to figure out how to make obama care work. premiums under obama care are about to sky rocket. coming up next, will you be able to afford the afortedable care act? stay with us. so...how'd it go? well, dad, i spent my childhood living with monks learning the art of dealmaking.

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for president and promise tod cut insurance premiums for families by $2500. not only are premiums not going down. health insurance companies are warning for premiumings for some are doubling under obama care. back to our 59le. congresswoman, we were given the promise of $2500 reduction and more people in the system. where the big disconnect here? >> the difference much what you say and do. you will pay more and get less. insurance premiums have gone

up $3000 per family since the law was passed. they are up 40 percent and going to see another 40 percent next year. the escalation rate seems to be coming at us faster than people can keep up with . the taxings, you have $165 billion in new taxes and fees embodied in that law. >> mike: most people didn't know about the new taxings. untold . what should we be doing? what should we do to make thes go down? >> there are ways to help the uninsured without allowing the government to grab control of our medical care. for example, we could copy some of the best things that have worked all over the country. issuing debit cards to family who need help to pay for food. we could do that healthcare debit cards to buy a private

health plan and give them skin in the game. they consume the healthcare wisely and they would have the same freedom to choose the doctor as they would to buy the grocery their family prefers. >> mike: copays and deductible. it causes people to exercise personal responsibility. >> they know what they are getting. before thape go to the doctor, its me a x-co-pay. i will pay that out of the pocket . what about flexible spending accounts that they are 2500 to per person. flex spending accounts and health savings account work well . they will say why is it so expensive? we need uniform pricing. there is so much variability. order a cat scan and it costs double than in another place. >> we have to put this in the paper shredder.

and we have to make 2014 a referundum on the obama care law. the weasems put the lollipops up front but now the pain is going out. smarter americans need to pull the lever for someone who will repeal the law. >> mike: congresswoman, do you since that democratic colleagues are worried about the 2014. >> they should be. because the more people find out about it, the more they talk to the insurance provider and find out what thes are going up and find out they will have less acess and doctors are stopping the practice and limit the practice. what they are saying, no, this is not what we want. we thought it would increase acsess. give me an example of any government run healthcare

program that lowered costs and increased acess and provided better outcome there. is not one . we want to make sure we go back to more transparency and put patients and doctors in control the healthcare. >> baby boomers vote . we are seeing more medicare patients in and medicare is being gutted and patients will not get the care they want for medicare. that's probably the biggest problem and that will lead to a change in the election. nin the meantime there is a loss of privacy. we all tell our doctors we wouldn't tell anybody else,. you have to talk to your doctor about your doctor keeping two sets of bookings. your doctor will be penalized if they don't enter your medical history and treatments in an electronic database. the goal is one database with a patient having a page.

>> i can vouch for the growing painings. i like electronic medical records but they are asking us to see more patients and transition to a paperless system that has to be integrate regulated. >> mike: and you have pay for it >> do i . i get penalized if i don't. >> on top of all . expense. it is a man date on the doctors and they are paid less for medicare and medicaid. reimbursement rates are less and because of the way insurance companies are impacted with new fees, they are having to charge more and we are seeing across the board. >> when we come back, we'll take questions from facebook and twitter and studio audience. folks, 10,000 baby boomers a day are retire get nothing medicare. 10,000 a day. aging 50s findings out they

can get free druggings that. will cost a lot of money. we'll take questions when we

>> in the few minutes we have left we'll go to the questions. the first one from the studio audience. tell us your name and question, please. >> sonny from new york. is there a provision in obama care that limit the number of visits that i can see my doctor in a year? >> mike: is there? >> no, in a way that is a problem. i am not saying there should be something to limit them. but if you see your doctor for whatever problem youment my office gets so clogged. they are paying me less to see

you. i can't take care of you. >> mike: the next one. >> james from new jersey. do you think that governor christy made the right decision for allowing them to operate the exchange. >> here's what is happening with the state. attorney general abbot said it well. if you get in, you can't get out. our states that say no we'll not do a state exchange are saying in three or five or 10 years we can't afford this. that is a smart move and then to look at the federal government, you want it, run it. part of the problem and the exchanges are quad rupling is because more states opted out than opted in and it is a wise decision on the states and i think it caused a lot of people to look at the program and reevaluate it. >> mike: facebook question

from carroll kirby. how much is the penalty for not having insurance. betsy take that one. >> first one $95 or one percent of adjusted gross income and that is for every member of your family . then it goes up gradually by 2016. $69cent or two and half percent of the adjusted gross income up to 2085. but the real penalty is that you lose your medical privacy and you lose your doctor-patient relationship. once you are in the government man dated plan. if it said aetnaand signa, it is government is in charge. >> doctors didn't write the law and doctors were not consulted. lawyers and politician says were only one involved. >> mike: no wonder it is a mess. that explains it thanks so

much. we made one big mistake. we should have made it a three hour special because we would never get it all covered. join me tomorrow night when carroll burnet is my guest. we'll talk about her classic show and the death of her 38 year old daughter carey. carey had battled drug problems and overcome them and charol had to make the tough choice to help her daughter. >> she was 16 or 17, the penny drop i realized, i am not going to be her best friend . make her love me. because she didn't love me anyway. the demon in here. >> she was mad at you. >> i decided that i decided i will love her enough to let her hate me. >> carroll burnet. she is a beautiful person. tomorrow night on an all new huckabee. thanks for watching our

significant special on obama care. i hope we help you understand a little more. until next time from new york. this is mike huckabee. good night and god bless.