was hearing about grenades and ieds, dynamite, long rifles. it sounds like these suspects were heavily armed and that it's much more than -- you know, a robbery, which is how it was reported to begin with. were you hearing anything else from officers on the ground. it sounds like you were really close to everything that was going on. has it given you anything tolls go on at this point? >> no. they are not talking. you know, they just let me sort of film because they were very much caught up in the -- the pursuit of these suspects. and you could hear them talking amongst themselves if they are concerned. dihear one explosion, but that was likely perhaps a controlled detonation because -- if they started to push us back with the initial quarters, they were telling us there were live explosives they were trying to

remove. the eod, the boston police folks went in to -- so we presume that's what that is. i will tell you another interesting thing that i have not seen at the m.i.t. campus that i did see here was a senior fbi agent that we have seen here at the boston marathon, came to get in his car. i asked him off camera if he could talk to me. he didn't say a word. he went to the trunk of his car, retrieved a bullet-proof vest and went right back to the crime scene. now i am with the rest of the media, pushed back, about three, three and-a-half, four blocks from where we initially saw the police took that suspect to. again, didn't resist when i was drawing on him. he sort of surprised the police when he came from behind us on the hill and laid down. >> we are hearing a lot -- it sounds like a lot of commotion in the backgrown. what's going on there? >> reporter: right now, they

are trying to bring in more police cars. they brought in a very large -- some sort of boston police special operations divisions bus. there is a larger convergence, multi-agency authorities, boston police... the fbi and they're just expanding this crime scene, i think is the best way to put it at this point. >> the suspect that was taken into custody, you said they were there quite sometime. was it possible they were worried he might have smog him to harm them. >> reporter: that's correct. they look very worried about what he may have and talk about this neighbors who were hearing explosive and then gunfire prior. the police didn't take him directly into custody, with my cameras moving. they ran me out of there, specifically... talking about the concern of plopsives.

they were holding him at gunpoint from about 10 feet. so they had him... in a firm position down, but they were very worried about the explosives and i think that they held him as much as i could see, trying not to let the police not push me too far back. but i could see that they were holding the situation into control he was not giving any resistance. >> griff, you mentioned you were on the m.i.t. campus earlier. have you heard anything more about that initial shooting? you know, what started all of this? >> no. i do not. no. i have a source that is on the faculty. he showed me an alert, a number of alerts, the m.i.t. sent to their students and faculty that

saidackive shooter, officer down. and as we saw a tweet from nbc connecticut tappears, according to them that the officer did die. so we -- i have another source that is -- that is involved with him. we were listening to internal reports, saying the suspect from the m.i.t. campus, may have robbed a gas station, which pointed me in the direction where i went and i ended up in carttown. i think it was about 5... 6 miles from the m. i.t. campus to where we are now. >> you know, the fact that that happened at the m. i.t. campus and that's what led to this, it's almost as if you know, maybe they were planning to do something there at m.i.t.? i mean, have you heard

anything -- to that -- that tothat effect? are they searching the campus, since we have heard of all of those explosives? >> reporter: we saw -- when i was see know an initial number of police cars, i didn't think anything of. it narr bringing in the fire trucks and that's the team that we saw it's a courthouse. but it seemed like very much of a controlled crime scene that wasn't anxiety amongst law enforcement. there was a second wave, which was approximately 15 to 20 cop cars of various, you know, agencies, tear out of there. that's when i jumped in my car to move and realized there was something bigger goingomp i drove by the gas station that was allegedly robbed by the two suspects and then i arrived on

the scene in watertown, where residents said 10 or 15 minutes before i got there, they heard one or two explosions and a large number of gunfire -- i described the gun-- i asked them to describe the gunfire and they said. >> that's what mike tobin was talking about, the different weapons. he was hearing grenades, dynamite, ieds, you name it, it sounds like, the suspects were armed for a lot more than just a robbery? >> reporter: that would certainly be the case. vehicle -- having been in these situations and 10 years ago, you can find of feel a little bit of the sentiment of the law enforcement agencies. this is one that they were absolutely taking seriously. there was a lot of adrenalin

flowing and obviously, with the suspects sort of surprising the law enforcement, the authorities where i was, they were treating him as much more than just a -- an armed robber. that said, you know, we don't know any more than what we witnessed. when you wake the residents up at 1:00 in the morning and they hear thing, their impressions of what they heard could certainly vary. you know, i am guessing, if you got roused by loud noises, there are several versions of what you heard. >> exactly. we are going to come back to you in just a little bit. but we want to go to mark fuhrman on the phone. former los angeles police detective. mark, what do you make of all of this, sitting here, liching to this? >> sitting here, listening and looking. i see what to me looks like a multi-agency perimeter that has been set up. they have a suspect cornered,

one's in custody. the origin of this, if it is in fact an armed robbery of a gas station, police intercept that, shooting ensue, officer down. that is not surprising, with what i am seeing now. with the resources in boston, they are extreme right now for law enforcement. the watches have been extended, certainly everybody's looking for two bombing suspects. so they have a lot of resources on deck. so this response isn't surprising on the perimeter. an officer's been shot, shots fired and certainly, i want everybody to know the most violent person on the street is an armed robbery suspect. they are committed. they will kill. they are usually well armed. they are actually know their weapons. so that is a very dangerous suspect, probably at the same level as a gang member on the

prowl to kill somebody. so the violence does not surprise me in an armed robbery. the response might have surprised the suspects because of everything that's been going on in boston. now they have an officer down who has died. that elevates everything, the adrenalin. it motivates them. i saw k-9 officers and if there is a tactical s.w.a.t. team there, they are going to try to narrow down where the suspect is in and close in on the suspect. >> just as we were speaking to you, i thought it was important to make the point that we really don't know right now if this is in any way connect to the bombing at the boston marathon or in any way related to the two suspects whose pictures were released earlier today. we want to make sure we are clear on that.

it is important that mike tobin pointed out, this started 10 miles from the site. bombing at the finish line of the marathon. this is definitely something you can't help but think about when you are looking at a scene like this, with the massive police presence, both in the air and on the ground. but, mark, you were saying, you know, this still could be a robbery situation where the robbers were just well armed? >> caller: you know, you would be surprised how well armed robbery suspects are. there are different levels and the average street robber or a drug-addicted street robber is not what we are talking about. we are talking about someone who is motivated. this is the way they live their life. they take, you know, i hate to say this, but they take a lot of pride in their level of violence and commitment to actually, you know, going head to head with law enforcement in a shootout. these are the guys who will shoot it out with you.

when you see this on the shadow of the boston marathon, we forget that this type of it incident happens several times a year, where there is officer-involved shootings, robbery suspects or otherwise. so this is not out of the norm for a major metropolitan area. but, you know, on the heels of the boston bombing, certainly, we jump to fairly logical conclusions that this might be related. >> it sounds scare tow anybody listening to a couple of robbery suspects to have this kind of arsenal.

>>r. >> caller: we don't know how the description's come about. we haven't had any official word from the police, just exactly what they are talking about. we don't know if they had improvised explosive devices that were sophisticated or that's what is being used. >> it seems to me that it's something that police are being

very cautious about. we heard earlier when they took down the one suspect that they have in custody that they were very careful. it took them a little while to get him into custody. is that normal procedure in a situation like this? >> caller: well it certainly is if you don't know. you know, there is a lot ofue have no idea the confusion when you -- you set up a perimeter and you are chasing suspects. >> they are armed. you know they are committed to use. you already have an officer down. that's in the back of everybody's mind. now you are pursuing another suspect. he is somewhere. you are looking for a rat holed up in a hole. and that's the situation right now. he has nothing to lose, you have everything to lose. you know, of course, the adrenalin and the -- the attitude of law enforcement is, we are going to get this guy, he has killed one of our own. the attitude of the suspect is, you are not going to take me

alive. that's usually the bravado that exists at that point. sometimes they give up. and many times, they do not. >> mark, we are going to come back to you in a couple of minutes. thank you so much for speaking with us on this and for all of your insight. we'll be right back with you. we are going to go back to mike tobin now, a fox news correspondent, telling us what has been going on -- we don't have mike. mark, we are going to come back to you for a few minutes to talk more about what is going on here. if you are just joining us, there is a huge chase underway with a suspect on the run. one suspect is in custody. this started with a shooting on the campus of m.i.t., we are told that a campus police officer was shot and killed and that's what started all of this. and police have a huge presence there right now. officers both on the ground and in the air, trying to find this suspect, scanner traffic was reporting that the suspects were heavily armed. that's something we have not

confirmed, something we were hearing earlier that they had explosives and dynamite. police are being very, very careful. let's go back to mark fuhrman. mark, you were talking about the fact in a situation like this, the suspect just has nothing to lose. of course, as an officer, you want to make sure that you stay safe, as well as -- you know, everyone around you. what is the biggest challenge for them right now? >> caller: well, the biggest challenge is to set the perimeter up large enough that you contain the suspect within that perimeter. then you establish a tighter perimeter to make sure the suspect can't get out. everybody's on guard, and you try to control all the officers from actually probing until you get s.w.a.t. teams, k-9 units and specialized units that are equipped, not only with more body armor, but they are equipped with weapons and they can work as a unit to start clearing areas, section by

section. certainly, they use the k-9 to see if they can key on the trail. they will try to isolate a certain area. then they pull back and they make a tactical plan to start clearing that area, you know, room to room or area by area. and hopefully, they will contact the suspect and the tactical advantageous way. and if the suspect wants to engage, he will be killed. >> griff jenkins describes, they near a neighborhood with a lot of homes. i assume they are worried about the suspect getting inside someone's home and doing harm to someone. what are they doing to make sure that the people in the area are safe? >> caller: well, if you have a perimeter and you know -- you can't know for sure, but if you know, as well as you can that you have a perimeter set up, you will try to clear the areas that might be in the line of fire, or

in the line or the path of the suspect, going forward or where he has been. you will try to clear out... some way, the residents from the locations. >> mark, now while we were talking, we got more information from the fbi. this is the latest coming out of watertown. they are confirming that the officer was shot at m.i.t. they have one person in custody. the fbi also confirming there were possible explosives, there were confirmed bapgs heard and a carjacking at aga gas station there in watertown. so they are confirming a lot of the information that we have been hearing. one more thing they say, it is too early to early to tell whether this is related to the boston marathon, which we had mentioned. that's what we have been hearing. that's what we have been talking about for the last, about the

last hour, is the huge police presence right now, trying to track down that suspect. >> >> caller: what you just said changes a lot of thing. a carjacking now at a gas station, that's different from robbing the gas station. the carjacking means that the suspects, with these weapons, are trying to get a clean car, a fresh car, a car that isn't known or an additional car. that's a huge clue that the gas station -- these are carjacking suspects, this is not their predominant m.o. they are doing this to try to obtain another vehicle. trying to escape. trying to get away from whatever it is that they were involved in there? >> caller: this is -- this means that there was an incident prior and if that's m.i.t. with the officer-involved shooting and the officer -- the vehicle they fled in and after that, they are

trying to carjack another vehicle to actually get rid of their vehicle and proceed on. >> gotcha. this is -- this is a fluid situation. mark, we are going to come back to you. right now, we are going to go back to mike tobin, who has been reporting on this for the last couple of hours. mike, what you are hearing now? >> reporter: what i am hearing and what i am seeing right now are more police units moved into the scene. one looks like a command post-type unit moved onto the scene right now. also, viseen tactical teams, armed to the teeth with the m-fours at the ready, kevlar helmets and one of the things that was interesting. the police are backing us up. one of the police officers backed us up and he said to my producer, he said, you have to get out of here, we are talking military grade. it took us a second -- military grade -- meant military-grade

explosives and armament. again, we go back to the idea, we can't make the connection between the vehicle that i thought was the command unit is the bomb squad unit, pulling in front of me. we saw the bomb squad robot, here on the scene, further confirmation that the you have the heavy armaments, heavy explosives on the scene and the police are trying to figure out a way to deal with t. we cannot make the connection that this is somehow related to the boston marathon bombings. but everything is absolutely inconsistent -- not everything -- the heavy armament is inconsistent with something that would have been a simple robbery or a -- or an officer shooting case. these guys are armed to the teeth by every indication, what we are hearing through the scanner traffic and the information we are gathering on the scene here. >> mike, i don't know if you heard earlier, we received more information from the fbi, they are confirming it was a carjacking at a gas station there in watertown. we were talking to detective

mark fuhrman and he said that that really changes everything and that that means that they were trying to get a vehicle and possibly, you know, get out of there, possibly go from one vehicle to the other and try to get away. are you hearing anything else, where you are about that? >> reporter: nothing more about that. just the fact that there was some -- kind of loose and fast traffic over the scanner that there are individuals, possibly tugging on car doors, according to police, and doing so rather frantically. it wouldn't be consistent with the information that the one individual at large. so we have to be careful as we are dealing with a lot of information coming in so fast and loose that we don't go off on a tangent. it would be an indication they are trying to get out of here. the problem with a carjacking, once you steal a car, the report goes out looking for the car.

if the idea is to get away unnoticed. that's not in your favor, if you are the suspect. >> as you are talking, we are actually looking at some video now from watertown, assuming that's close to where you are at this point. we see, of course, a huge police presence. what can you tell us about what is happening there at the scene? what is being done to protect people who live in that area? >> reporter: they are ordering people to stay in their homes. they don't want anybody to come interest contact with the suspect who is still at large and they don't want to confuse the police or have the police confuse them to be someone else. the people are are ordered to stay in their homes and there is a very real danger of explosives on the street here. that's why the bomb squads are here and the bomb aren'ts are here. very volatile, particularly if

they are home mead explosives, you don't know how stable they are. very dangerous, very active situation out here. very fluid with the information. >> how far are you from the active part of the scene? >> reporter: it's really hard to tell. there is an intersection that's a block or two up from me, where i can see the bomb aren'ts or one that is not too far away. there is one house that the police helicopter really seems to be focusing on. i would ballpark that at city blocks, one, one and-a-half blocks away, as residential blocks gi would put it as four blocks away. a lot of attention paid to that one particular house. we tried to get closer. that's when we started to encounter the more heavily armed tactical units and they don't want any part of us snooping around. >> be careful. we want the information, but we want to you stay safe as limp it's probably good that they have you back as far as they do.

anything else can you tell use it looks like there are a lot of people on the street. but would those be the people who want to see what's going on? -- jayeah. >> are people getting out of their homes? how are they getting word to people -- it's past 2:00 in the morning. a lot of people are probably asleep. are they knocking on doors? >> reporter: i don't know how they have gotten the word out t. might be word of mouth. but the city officials have told them to stay at home. the police officers and some of it is being done low tech with the police officers shouting at people to get back in their homes. every once in a while, we will get the commotion and i will get distracted and usually, that's a police officer and a civilian and the police officer's telling them nno uncertain terms to get back into their house. you do have some looky-loos, but mostly, it's the media, trying to figure out what's going on. >> take us back, if you will,

for anyone just joining us. this started on the campus of m.i.t., with the shooting of an m.i.t. campus police officer. can you tell us how things progressd? >> reporter: that was the 11:00 hour when the information crossed from the campus newspaper that an officer had been shot and it crossed the campus web site that an officer had been shot and the scene was coshedded. we had reports that the officer -- at some point, before or after he was shot, had his weapon stolen. and the information crossed that it was a simple robbery, unrelated to the bombing. at that point, a lot of media stood down and went to other subjects. then we started to hear the scanner traffic, related to a chase that extended and really got everybody's attention, once the discussion of the heavy arms came out. once they started to talk about the improvised explosive devices, home mead bombs and hand grenades, dynamite the. we heard an exchange of gunfire

with the police officers. we heard that -- they had hand grenades. all of that is inconsistent with someone who wanted to get involved in a simple robbery. this is someone who was armed, quite extensively and usually, there will be a reason if someone goes to that effort. to arm themselves. have you many, many agencies, state police, watertown police, boston police, all out here. a lot of informs, with the federal officers, federal agents are on the scene here. we have bomb units on the scene here. very active scene. still information that there is one person at large, informs that one person has been taken to beth israel hospital, informs that one person has been taken into custody here on the scene. >> we have some information here from the associated press that talks about some of what went down earlier, when they took that first suspect into cufert dee, that authorities were

calling for the suspect to get on the ground. they heard a loud thud and someone shouted fire in the hole and reporters were told to get as far as they could from the scene and one officer told a reporter, if you want to live, turn off your cell phone. this sounded like a very serious, threatening situation that you are in the middle of and that matches with what griff jenkins said, which was that he heard something loud, some kind of explosion around the time they were getting the suspect. >> reporter: quite possibly what griff jenkins heard and would be consistent with shouting fire in the hole would be a controlled explosion. one of the ways they get rid of a bomb is to blow it up. they will bring something -- i remember in israel and watched bombs get disposed of. they had a aren't with a shotgun shell attached and they would shoot the bomb, there are a number of ways to defuse a bomb. if they were able to shout something ahead of time, that

means that the police officers had control over it ahead of time and they were getting rid of the bomb on their own terms. the cell phone concern is related to a triggering mechanism for the bomb. there would be a concern, if you had your cell phone and you were close enough, even the beacon that comes off the cell phone and lets the tower know you are there would be enough to trigger the bomb. when you are getting involved in bombs and home-made bombs, there is a very good reason for police officers to get skittish because you don't know how they are going to behave. >> what can you tell bus watertown? small community? does it seem like a coincidence that they ended up here. >> reporter: this is my first time here. it looks like a pretty small community. you have a couple of years tseems like a coincidence that they ended up here t. seems like the chase started and -- i am speculating, but it seems like the chase started at the m.i.t.

campus and ended up here. >> that's correct. ended up where you are. are you seeing anything else, other than what we were seeing earlier? or is it pretty much the same? >> reporter: for the moment, it seems to have cooled down a little bit and gotten into a consistent groove, if you will. you have this large presence of police officers. we have seen the bomb squad unit come and go. we saw an armored vehicle come n. you definitely have the tactical teams to the scene. the police officers are heavily armed at the ready. and you have a terrific police presence, as you would with an officer down but what is inconsistent is the information with the explosives and the heavy arms on the scene. we have some visual confirmation, really through griff jenkins and supplemental confirmation, as far as the police officers and the bomb officers on the scene and

through griff, the information that something blew up at one point. >> again, mike, we want to make sure -- [overlapping dialogue] >> reporter: i am hearing something from a police officer now. >> while you are hearing from the police officer, we want to stress that we don't know that this is related at all to the bombing at the boston marathon that. this happened in a close mocs proximity. this started on the campus of m.i.t., 10 miles away from the finish line, where the explosions happened at the finish line of the marathon. we want to make sure that this is not confirmed that this has anything to do with the marathon bombing, but it happens to be very close to where that happened and it's a very big operation that we are seeing, bigger than something you would normally see with a robbery or just a carjacking. this is beyond what you would normally see with officers in the air, on the ground, a big

presence, federal officers. i mean, you have mentioned, you know, all of those scanner traffic that you heard about the amount of fire power that these suspects had apparently on them. talk to us -- more about that and the fact that they are trying to secure the area and make sure that people are safe at the same time they are trying to find this last suspect. >> reporter: what i can tell you, we heard from the police officer, i didn't get his name, but he was clearly dispatched to talk to the reporters. all he said is, multiple scenes out here, he tried to encourage the media here to be patient, and the first question, of course, shouted at him, was can you confirm that this is somehow connected to the marathon bombing. he said he could not confirm it. the whole thing is still under investigation. he was dispatched for the moment to try to get the -- keep the media at bay. so we still have a fast and

fluid situation. multiple scenes as the officer described it. no confirmation that this is -- that there is a connection to the marathon bombing. the thing that makes you think about the connection is the chronology and the location. >> you said you were about to hear from an officer. you didn't hear anything more than that, just the confirmation -- no confirmation that this is in any way related? >> reporter: that's pretty much. it he gave us ninety nine general information and trying to let the reporters know, at some point, you will get the official word. we will get the official word. >> all right. mike tobin. great reporting. we'll equal back to you. but right now. we want to go to fox 25 in boston and listen in tow what they are hearing and what they are talking about. >> i would say, a good couple of blocks where from where we began. of course, they are trying to be pre-cautious and keep us scpaif out of the way of their investigation so they can do the

job. i can tell you, they have cleared homes on the neighboring streets here. they are looking through cars. they are doing everything they k. but also trying really hard not to -- to bring any attention, excuse me, to the investigators on the ground there. incredibly chaotic out here. a little unnerving. we are going to continue to monitor it and see what happens down here. >> eric ai sometimes i know you can be close to the scene. i want to fill nu. "boston globe" is reporting that one boston marathon bombing suspect is in custody. >> and another suspect is on the loose. "boston globe" says they had the fire fight with the suspect on the loose in water town. so erica, they would say that they are looking for a suspect and there is an active search going on. >> reporter: mark and heather, we did hear that here. that's the word on the street

out here. but i haven't been able to confirm that with officials here. so i didn't want to reporter that. i am happy that you are able to confirm that from your end. >> obviously, eric athey are trying to keep the reporters at bay and away from the scene of the action, so to speak because there has been gunfire traded. we know one suspect was taken to the hospital. whether or not that's gunshot wound related, we do not know. they are going through houses and back yards. we have had people call the station and say, they are in my back yard, i am very unnerved. i am keeping low and keeping my doors locked. if you are in watertown, you may be waking up and saying, what's going on? bottom line -- stay in your home, keep the doors locked and there is a search going on. authorities are out there and they are out there in en masse and they are well armed. >> not just gunfire traded. but we have heard reports of something detonated.

a caller said she saw a package being detonated right on her street, residential street, mt. auborn. we have a map to show you, this is between mt. auborn and arsenal. this is a dense residential neighborhood. not the kind of street you would expect anything like this. neighbors tell me, there is no kind of violence. it's watertown. it's very quiet and family-orient exclude a quiet place to live. >> exactly right. this is sourcing "the boston globe." the one suspect has been captured. that's according to an official with knowledge of the investigation as well. another remains on the loose in watertown. that's after a firefight with police. they did not get their man at that point. but they are looking around and search and looking for a second suspect. authorities have established a 20-block perimeter to search for him and you can understand why

the other reporters and trucks are being moved back and at times, told to shut off cell phones, that goes to your point, where they are talking about explosive devices. when you tie them into monday's bombing, they are capable of having explosive devices and set them off and detonate them. >> they are experienced, it seems, based on the video that we saw, they seem like they know what they are doing. we are reporting this based on what "the boston globe" is saying, they are saying this is one of the suspects from the boomings. i understand, we are getting an fbi statement now... to determine if there is a connection between what you are seeing on your tv screen and watertown and monday's marathon bombing. some confirmation that this could be a possibility that this could have to do with finding the suspects.

>> again, that is "the boston globe" saying this is one of the suspects from monday's bombing of the boston marathon. fbi agency are also sourced through the globe. they are aware of the situation and being involved. they are monitoring it. the fbi source said it is too early to speculate on the relation to the marathon bombing. the globe is saying one thing and the fbi is saying another. mike, we had your expertese on thursday, of course, when they released -- we had the picture at 4:30, 45 minutes before the press conference, suspect number 2, given to us by a viewer, showing the suspect and the bomb as well on the ground. we will show that to you right now. >> there's that picture, right now -- >> what this meant, mike? take it away. >> you have to assume that the globe is right, saying there is a marathon bombing connection here. this comes literally hours after not only us... >> we are listening to our

boston fox affiliate, wfxt. a big chase in boston right now, looking for a suspect. a suspect was taken into custody earlier. we want to go to griff jenkins who has been reporting all night. [dial tone]. >> griff, are you with us? we do not have griff. but if you are joining us, this is a scene in watertown, massachusetts, where a suspect has led police on a chase. they're trying to find him now. they are securing the neighborhood. we were told that these suspects in custody and other one was on the run and this is the fire power, that was heard earlier on the police scanners, things such as ieds and dynamite and hand grenades and long rifles. it sounds like they were arm to the teeth. police are desperately trying to find the second suspect.

we are hearing reports from our local fox affiliate, wfxt. they reported that the fbi is saying that the suspect could be or is relate to the marathon bombing. that is something that we have to confirm on our own. but again, if you are joining us, they are looking for a second suspect. people in the area reported hearing loud explosions, we are told that that was... police, you know, blowing up the devices that they did find to disarm them. we also know that they took one suspect into custody, earlier and that they they had that suspect for quite sometime before they took him into custody because they wanted to be cautious as they could possibly be, knowing that these suspects had so much fire power and so -- so many explosive devices and things that they could use thotoharm both police and anyone else in the area. this all started on the campus of m.i.t., which is about 10

miles from where that bombing happened at the end of the race of the boston marathon, so from the very beginning, people were speculating, as far as whether or not it could be connected. that is something that we have not confirmed independently. but there are local reports saying that this could be related. that is something that we need to confirm. they are looking for one suspect. people in the area are reporting that this is a very intense time -- police in the air, on the ground, trying to find this person right now because they do know that they are heavily armed. for some insight on this case, we are joined by judge andrea napolitano. caller: i'm in d.c., so i am watching this along with everybody else. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> caller: always a pleasure to be with you, no matter what we are talking about.

it is not a surprise... that it appears that other people are involved in this. i mean, when you -- when you conclude as the fbi did when they in a wonderful, modern-day wanted poster, spread to the world at 5:00 yesterday afternoon, photographs of the people that they believe perpetrated these crimes, it is not a surprise when have you more than one, the number's going to keep growing. if two people did this -- if the fbi theory is correct, it is not unlikely that they had more people involved to help them purchase the equipment, to help them purchase what appeared to be innocuous equipment, like a pressure cooker, to assemble this and to deliver it. it does appear, we don't know how this thing started on the m.i.t. campus, but it does appear as though somehow an m.i.t. police officer

inadvertently came in contact with one of the conspirators. it doesn't necessarily mean that the person who killed the m.i.t. police officer is one of the two people whose photographs the fbi released at 5:00 yesterday afternoon. but it is likely that the person that killed the police officer is affiliated with them. it is like lyely that there is more than two people involved in this. this is very good police work and unfortunately ended in the death of a courageous police officer -- [overlapping dialogue] ism the nest of conpirtors. >> something that struck us -- they not only have to be careful and watch out for themselves, these officer, they are going after the suspects, but they have to make sure that anybody that is in the area is also safe and protected because that's part of their job. mark fuhrman was telling us earlier, the suspect has nothing to lose.

and they will not hesitate to -- to do harm or to kill anybody they come into contact with -- killing innocent people. >> yes, mark is correct. the suspect is willing to use massive -- massive amounts of firepower to keep the police away. the suspect certainly doesn't care the massive amounts of fire power. so the police in this little town of watertown, massachusetts, have an awful conundrum now. the suspect is at large, is prepared to kill innocents, has a massive amount of firepower with him. it is hard to believe how a young person could amass this explosive firepower -- >> i hate to cut you off. but we are going to go to griff jenkins on the scene and take a lynch to what he is hearing. griff? >> reporter: hi. we are here in east watertown. let me tell you what we do not know. we do not know that these suspects, the one that i

encountered, being held at bay, possibly taken into custody and the one at large in this neighborhood, we do not know thati are in any way connected to the marathon bombing. we do not know that. we do know they have one suspect in custody, certainly at bay, that was more than a half hour ago, when i captured that incident in the middle of it with my camera. we know there is another suspect -- on the loose here in this neighborhood because i am listening to the police scanners and they are saying the neighborhood is locked down. they are asking residents to stay in their home and they are going door to door, presumably looking for a second suspect. the police commissioner ed davis drove right past me. that tells us that this is significant. not that an armed robbery is not significant. the passing of the m.i.t. officer is very significant. but the fact that we have seen in the last 45 minutes, the fbi arrive in full armor, full

bullet-proof vests and the police commissioner on the scene behind me. we are moved probably more than 3, 4 blocks from the original intersection where i was giving chase to police cars. i pulled over. that's when i pursued with the officers, with guns drawn, looking for someone. we encountered the one man who seemed to give up. there was no resistance. but they were very worried about explosives. he is in custody or taken. but just to repeat, we do not know that they are in any way tie to the marathon shooting -- bombing. we do not know that the m.i.t. shooting -- we presume it because i did see the crime scene move from there, past a gas station, which we heard there was a carjacker and then it came to this scene, 5 to 7 miles away in water town. we know that the residents are

being told to stay in their homes. if you live in watertown, stay inside. the police have a huge presence, a very large, multi-agency presence. they are actively looking for the suspect at this moment. >> we do see a lot of action going on behind you. what is going on right there where you are? >> reporter: where i am, this is the perimeter where we are seeing all the police coming and going. we have seen the boston explosives unit come and g. we have seen the fbi come and go. as i said, 10 minutes ago, yeah >> i have to stop you. right now, we want to go over to our fox affiliate, local wfxt again. >> living through this again was very difficult for them. i want you to listen to what some of them had to say. maybe they can help you understand what took place when all of this was just beginning to unfold. >> i am being told we don't have

the sound bites. but i can tell that you i spoke with one gentleman. when i got here, everybody was running around and frantic, and saying all sorts of things. i was hearing loud booms and pop, pop, pop and this one gentleman i saw that was walking around, almost in a daze, just with a blank look on his face. i asked him, i said, are you okay in he said, no. not really. i was just sleeping and i heard these explosions and he is descriep describing the scene. i said, you can describe the explosions to me? he said, it's exactly what it sounded like on monday. i was there on monday and you could tell he was deeply bothered by that. that's what has been going on here tonight. again, we are hearing watertown is not the type of place where these things happen. we would like to think that boston is not the type of place where these things happen. this is a sleepy, quiet town.

so the people here are certainly jolted by this. it's bothering them, especially piggybacked on top of the events earlier this week. it has certainly calmed down quite a bit now. not quite as much fear going on here, not quite as much confusion. but, again, it's all subject to change, depending on what happens in the neighborhoods where i am, where the search is going on for that second suspect. >> a lot of people milling about. it's a quarter of 3:00 in the morning. obviously, some people are interested. they have heard the coverage on television and on the radio. they want to get out and see and the police are trying to keep the reporters at bay and trying to keep the residents at bay. they are trying to keep onlookers at bay. but there is a crime scene, not far from the road and that's an active crime scene, as far as you know? >> reporter: yes, that's exactly right. it's still an active crime scene. we do have officers telling us, stay back, get out of the way.

granted, everyone has listened so they are not as adamant about it now because everybody has done exactly what they have asked. so now everyone's just mulling about, waiting, kind of curious now. the fear has quelled. just a little bit. police seem to have it a little bit under control. i can tell that you certainly wasn't the case earlier. i think we have that sound so you can get a better idea what have was taking place, i'd say, 12:30 or so. take a listen. >> there were just some explosions and then the police just -- one after another and they were state patrol and they were... police... just the regular police. you know, probably watertown, cambridge, all the surrounding areas and they were suiting up with body armor and machine guns and... and... one of the state patrol said that they were firing at policemen.

first, i heard explosions. there was one explosion and it sounded like another explosion. i don't know whether it was two or three. but i thought it was kind of odd. i thought it could be unloaded something. and then when i heard the police, i are the started to get worried and then there were more and more and more police and they kept coming. >> we heard two loud explosions, like, boom, boom. we didn't know what it was and all of a sudden, you just see a hundred cruisers pass by and everybody's doing u-turns and i don't know what's going on. >> they were going everywhere. they didn't know where to g. they were trying toking in out -- where the explosions were coming from. >> i live down the street. and i -- i was... woken up by plosions -- two explosions and then... cops and guns, gunshots and... yeah. i was just woken up. that's -- it shouldn't be happening here in boston. it shouldn't... it is not right.

>> reporter: and that was the gentleman i was just describing to you who was really dazed and shaken up who was at the marathon on monday and experienced that incident. now you can hear visible nehis voice that this is really troubling to him here. so, again, i mean, you can see behind me, the crowd, believe it or not, has dwindled, despite the fact there are so many people out here right now. it is the middle of the night. but again, don't forget, a lot of this began unfolding right around the 11:00 news hour here at m.i.t., with that officer that was shot and killed there. so people were watching the late news, saw that something was going on and kind of cureiosity, piqued through that time and now we are just waiting here to see what is going to unfold. but again, this is still an active crime scene. we're hoping that it will end with another suspect in custody

tonight. >> i want to jump nwe have received some new information from the fbi from the public information officer. he said, he doesn't have any actual facts about what is going on when we asked him, he says it's a very fluid situation. we're working with the local authorities to determine what happened, happened, past tense, not aware any of arrests of suspects one or two. we want to bring in mike bodah, working his sources all night long. mike, what are you hearing? >> obviously a lot of fluctuating information. you have "the boston globe" reporting that one boston marathon bombing suspect is in custody. one source is telling me the second person is the man who the fbi previously identified as suspect number 2. not too long ago, within the last 15 or 20 minutes, the fbi put out a new photo of both suspects, including the clearest shot we have seen so far of suspect number 2.

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erf exploves andhat the explosive eod has been thate explosives. we heard that what was probably the disposal. but now we have confirmation from an official channel that have you multiple explosives. we heard from one tactical officer as we were trying to get a better spot, he told us to back up because what they have out here is military grade. a very tense situation. big police presence. it got to a consistent point at this stage of the game, anyway. they put a big ring around the area that is in question. one of the things we got from the state police as well, there are multiple scenes light right now. it looked like it was one house where the helicopter was focusing and that's where we saw most of the -- officers decked out in the tactical gear in the kevlar vests and helmets and the

m-4s at the ready. they seem to be focusing just a few blocks and there was a lot of tension in other locations,icism because, it seems that so many explosives had been -- to some extent eye am speculating a little bit here, but scattered around. there were other scenes, multiple hot spots, as per the state police. and that seems to be related to the ordnance that was out there. >> have you heard any more explosive sounds like you were hearing earlier? >> reporter: i had heard pops, but i can't tell you that it was gunfire. people here reported hearing a couple of pops. but we will see if that pans out to be anything. you can get that from wood falling and hitting the ground. i don't want to be too speculative. we have heard sharp noises. everyone is very tense. the police officers on the scene are very intense.

the way they have communicated to the people in the area, to shelter in their own homes is by shouting at them. by and large, the people are respecting what the police officers are saying because it's mostly for their own good. they don't want to get on the street and come in contact with what appears to be one suspect, presumably harmed and dangerous and they don't want to be on the street and have an officer, armed at the ready and very nervous, mistake him for a suspect. >> i have to actual, that sounds like a terrifying situation for those people that live in naarea -- to be awakened at this hour and told, you know, stay in, be careful, there is a crazy gunman on the loose. i can't imagine, but people do seem to be staying in their homes? >> reporter: yeah. by and large. you have a lot of people at the perimeters, looking on, trying to see what is happening. it's all very exciting when have you so many police officers on the scene and the cureiosity, of

course, will get the best of many people. a lot of people standing around, looking to see what will develop. there is also information that a suspect was removed from the scene and taken by ambulance. i can tell you, on the way in, we did see two ambulances racing away from this location and accompanied by at least one police cruiser, as i recall, possibly two. so that would be a suspect was taken to beth israel hospital, a suspect was taken to. so that correlates with that informs. >> mike, go ahead-- >> reporter: and to further -- [ [overlapping dialogue] >> we are harping interference on our end. >> reporter: oh okay. we have a very large scene,

cordoned off. about 3 blocks. the town is watertown, not too far away from boston, i kind of lost track as we were racing out here -- >> i am going to stop you for one second. i am going to stop you for one second. we just got some other information in from one of our producers. the fbi is saying that it is -- this is all preliminary information, which is what we said, it's a fluid situation, that there is a man that was taken into custody after the shooting on the m.i.t. campus and that that suspect is not one of the bombing suspects. but the fbi cautions that hard facts are hard to come by and the situation is very fluid. and all of this information could change. we are hearing conflicting reports all over the place. but mike, where you are, for anybody who is joining us, what are you seeing right now? >> reporter: well, have you to go with whathe