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video has been burning up the internet. >> jenna: you are next, jon. >> jon: no, i like to have a motor behind my wing. >> jenna: america live starts right now. >> megyn: new fallout and outrage over a decision that cut short the interrogation of the boston bombing suspect just as he was going to give information that could have national security implications. i'm megyn kelly. as sources told your humble correspondent that a federal judge showed up at the hospital where bombing suspect dzhokar tsarnaev was being questioned and informed him of his right to remain silent. landmarks on capitol hill say they were surprised that the judge was showing up. it came as news to them and they were not done with what they said had been a productive
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session with this terror suspect. lawmakers are now demanding to know why and how this happened and exactly who ordered it. the chairman of the house intel community mike rogers has written to eric holder asking why this judge decided to go to the hospital so early. did she decide to do it by herself? who in the intelligence community or the obama administration was consulted? katherine heritage has more. >> thank you. good afternoon. congressman rogers who receives regular updates on the investigation told fox news that he believes russian they had had more information and did not provide it to c.i.a. or f.b.i. in 2011. >> they let us peek under the curtain a little bit. they have very valuable information, "a" they should have provided it earlier and bms we need to get now to understand what happened when he went back
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to russia. >> reporter: lawmakers briefed because of his alleged extremist ties says the u.s. government went back three times back to moscow asking for more specific data. at a conference in washington, d.c., james clapper has weighed on in the boston bombings indicating to prevent the attack it would have required the intelligence community and law enforcement to go beyond the state guidelines. rules were abided by the best i can tell he told the conference. the dots were connected. this morning the house foreign affairs committee held a hearing on the foreign threat and it reads in part, at the trial of one of the 9/11 plotters it turned out three of the highjackers were recruited with
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al-qaeda where they had come to fight the russians in chechnya. investigators are exploring potential links between tsarnaev and the emirate who is described as the osama bin laden of the region. >> megyn: thank you very much katherine. the house intel committee mike rogers joins me live. the answers he is demanding of eric holder. how did this happen? he is outraged about this interrogation being cut short and really very little accountability so far for this decision from the department of justice. they really haven't spelled out exactly how the decisions have been made and why there was not more coordination with the men and the women doing the interrogation of the nation's largest terror suspect right now. in boston the massachusetts
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governor finds himself in the midst of a controversy after he refused to release any records of what kind of public assistance going to the boston bombing suspects. now he is changing his position slightly. hear from the governor in a second but the old are brother, he made very little money. his main focus was on boxing and highway he made no money at all. the breadwinner was the wife. katherine russell she was the one that was getting the welfare benefits. they were in her name. when she started making more money, the welfare stopped. they have confirmed that the brothers and parents were receiving welfare while the boys were growing up. the governor is vowing to make sure the state followed the rules when it gave the tsarnaev family assistance but the governor will not release more
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information citing privacy laws. he is now saying this. listen. >> based on releasing the information. >> are you talking about the benefits information? i'm trying to get a sense of that story myself and the completeness of it. anything that can be released will. >> reporter: he goes on to say, he is as curious as the rest of us. the younger brother did get a scholarship and money from the university of massachusetts. he always had cash on hand for food. some friends say he sold marijuana on the side to get some more cash. still no one has confirmed if the brothers were getting cellphones paid for by the government. in other words, is it possible that they used cellphones paid for by taxpayers to possibly detonate those bombs. >> megyn: the situation with the yucker brother is more tricky for the governor and for those in massachusetts. he is an american citizen,
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naturalized and he is still alive. if the older brother is dead there is no doubt that he died in the middle of committing horrific crimes, terrorist crimes, and he was not an american citizen. why this big hangup on his privacy rights in light of those circumstances? has anybody commented on that on the distinction between the two brothers? >> they have not commented on the distinction of the two brothers. we have asked that questions. several media organizations have asked that same question. the answer is, look, these are state laws. in fact when the state welfare department, the state department of assistance whatever they call in it massachusetts released this information, they said they did it by mistake. they said that they should not have released it under the law thelt are not trying to backtrack what information they did release and there is nothing
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new coming out. nobody has made the distinction what can be released and what cannot be released in regards to the brothers as official status one being a citizen and one waiting to be an american citizen. >> megyn: we'll continue to follow it. president obama was the first sitting president to address planned parenthood. the james rosen is live in washington. >> reporter: president obama had addressed the political arm of planned parenthood as a candidate back in 2008. now re-elected to a second term as president. he drew cheers and applause from the national conference when he vowed planned parenthood the organization that performs an estimated 300,000 abortions per year, quote, isn't going anywhere.
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he lashed out at local legislatures that enacted new laws including north dakota whose governor prohibiting all abortions in cases where a fetal heartbeat can be detected. >> the fact is after decades of progress there are still those that want to turn back the clock. the policies from the 1960s than 21st century. they have been involved in orchestrated in an effort to roll back rights when it comes to women's health. >> reporter: the jury in the murder trial of abortion doctor in philadelphia is expected to hear closing arguments on monday. his defense rested this week without calling witnesses. he has pleaded not guilty to charges he killed four live babies and he contributed to the death of a patient who was allegedly medicated by untrained staff. >> when we are hearing lurid details of this doctor being held on trial for infantacide,
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it's really gripping. for the president not to comment at all and go and speak in front of the world's largest abortion efforts is troubling. >> reporter: registered voters nationwide evenly split on abortion. >> megyn: thank you. there are now questions about the woman married to one of the accused boston bombers reports that she alerted her husband immediately after the f.b.i. released his picture, remember. is she in potential legal trouble? we will speak with a reporter who broke news on this story yesterday. also the college professor and u.n. staffer who recently suggested boston, america, they got what they deserved is now, quote, clarify his remarks. what a clarification. we'll tell you what he is saying next. the mother 69 accused bombers to
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defend them and blame america. is she just a grieving mom as one of our commentators is about to tell i or did she help lead them down to the path to begin with? they took my kids away from me. boom. heart attack. the doctor recommends bayer aspirin to keep this from happening to me again. it's working. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before youegin an aspirin rimen. it can happen to anyone. talk to your doctor.
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>>. >> megyn: there is new twist over a u.n. official and american college professor that suggested that the evil done to us in boston was an example, in his view, of evil being done to those that do evil.
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now richard fauk will k is clarifying his remarks. all right. first, let's get to, i want to take you through a couple of these. here is this guy went on and on how bad the united states behavior has been and really it's sort of a chicken coming home to roost. this is his classification. he said it. clarification, that i regard the boston massacre as despicable crime and i feel great empathy for the innocent victims. original post. we should be asking ourselves at this moment how many ka -- >> megyn: i ask you, now, they are entirely innocent victims.
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before they were canaries that had to die because of global domination. do we take i am seriously? >> the u.n. take him seriously. richard is well known for "a" exactly what he says and removing from his website when it causes problems. he has grossly anti-semitic cartoons when it's found out he lies whether they were up or not. this situate he does business. he is pathological liar about his own point of view when it gets into trouble. >> megyn: and he is getting in paid by part to the united states. we pay about 22% of the money he gets. he is the advisor to the u.n. council and he was princeton faculty member for 40 years and now princeton professor emeritus which means retired but he is currently teaching at u.c. santa barbara. he on the payroll of one u.s.
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institution. his email to this institution and they need to figure out if to dispense with this guy. >> what about all the institutions that have given him multiple awards. he goes around and collects awards. i think the question is what do we do now? the obama administration has put out another one of these, it's terrible, it's very bad. he should resign, but if you look back, he said the same thing at least three times as recently as last october and then paid the human rights council. he doesn't earn that much money. he gets a free ticket to do what he does, to do travel. >> megyn: it's about hundred thousand all told. >> his rantings are on the u.n.'s website and he'll produce
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before the human rights council wayne month. why are we legitimizing the organization that legitimizes him. the first thing we can withdraw from the human rights council. organization of islamic states have the balance of power at the human rights council. if you want to make a difference we would get off and stop legitimizing it. >> this the same council that has condemns israel but not china, not iran or saudi arabia. >> they have condemned some but richard falk is the face of dealings with israel. yesterday he was in beirut to be a special lecturer forum for a lecture that is named after a man that coined the term the catastrophe for the creation for
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the state of israel. we know what he is about. he turns the victims of terrorism somehow oh their heads so america is perpetrator. >> megyn: i want to talk about that. he is now saying, they were entirely innocent victims in boston. second point of blaming america. this is what he said in his collarification. i had no intention whatsoever to connect any dots as to whether there was a cause or linkage of what the u.s. has done in the world and what happened in boston. i was not trying to connect you to the dots. i wanted you to see the original post. >> there are serious deficiencies how the united states sees itself in the world. there are hopeful signs of awakenings in drone attacks and sanged torture. can't we expect one of our politicians to connect some of these dots? should we not all be meditating on the haunting line, those who evil has done do evil in return.
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he is connecting the dots the evil bad actor that wants global dominance and what happened at the boston marathon bombings? >> that is exactly what he was trying to do. here is a guy who has written for the book that 9/11 was an inside job. he is repeatedly blamed america for just 'about everything that has gone wrong. we are the villains. the terrorists are somehow the victims. this is how he does business. now, he is in trouble. >> megyn: and hateful posts that have been placed on his blog. he spends a paragraph talking about a wave of hate mail. he is very upset about hate when it is directed at him. >> he is now the victim. so the question is, are we going to let him get away with it again. all we are going to respond is another call for his resignation and we're going back to the human rights council and
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continue to pay for him, continued to tolerate his vile reports on the u.n. website, continue to send our kids a little tours of u.n. headquarters as if nothing has changed. that is the real issue. >> megyn: and continue to send our kids to u.c. santa barbara and have the professor teaching them -- i don't know what. >> it's par for the course. he never opens his mouth is that america is at fault for what hits us. >> megyn: all right. anne, thank you so much for your perspective. >> we are hearing growing calls for the military to fire a top general who overturned a sexual assault conviction in the military because he did not think that verdict by a jury matched up with his interpretation of the facts. we'll show you who is bringing new pressure to bear in a controversy that went all the way to the top the of the pentagon and is being debated still. plus, they suggest a suicide
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bombings may be an act of wartime retaliation. parents complained about that. we have a live report on how administrators are trying to justify the lesson. >> we are living at a time where people are saying how could anyone put a bomb outside a restaurant or on street intending to kill innocent people. we ask ourselves, our children are being taught from curriculum that might be okay or at least it might be okay if they are jewish. when you have diabetes...
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>>. >> megyn: the white house says it is continuing to study evidence that the syrian government used chemical weapons on its own people. the evidence is not airtight.
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jay carney saying at daily briefing in the last half-hour or so those comments. in the meantime, syria is denying having used chemical weapons against its own rebel forces saying they had no need for that. it comes weeks after similar accounts and disturbing v womeng treated for truly disturbing injuries. ralph peters will join us just ahead on the difficult choices the administration has, this would be a qeet quote, red line. >> megyn: geography if i textbook is growing controversy in tennessee. lessons on the middle east are so biased think three to justify suicide bombers. school board defends the book that it is meant to start debate in the classroom. jonathan? >> reporter: some parents in
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williamson county, tennessee are taking issue particularly with how this textbook explains terrorism. take a look. second sentence in this excerpt which asks, if a palestinian bomber kills several israeli teenagers in a jerusalem restaurant is that an act of terrorism or wartime retaliation against israeli government policies and army actions? >> it's not okay to ask children things like that, to put those ideas in their heads and not expect there to be a consequence down the road. >> reporter: in an email to fox news, textbook author writes, it is important to understand why terrorists attack, understanding is not the same thing as justifying the attack. author points out his question is followed in the book by an explanation of how palestinian and israeli advocates might answer the question differently. because the textbook is used for an advanced high school legislative, the school
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superintendent says it's intended to promote discussions and debate. listen. >> i think the critical question to answer is, does the book create an opportunity for students to engage in deep dialogue about important issues in the world. i think it does that in the context of geography. >> school officials are having informal meetings but yet to receive a formal written complaint. if that were to happen, would it prompt the school district to form a committee representing parents, teachers, administrators and curriculum experts to make a thorough review of the textbook. >> megyn: the store that sold high powered fireworks says it's its products is not powerful enough to cause the blasts. the best evidence has been seen by the millions of americans who watched the blast.
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they debate whether this company should be in any trouble. in 24 hours sings the mother of the bombing suspects blamed america for what happened to her sons, a new fight is breaking out between supporters and critics where the blame for boston really belongs. we'll show you why that matters. >> why? why? >> they are kids and take them here and be safe for any reason. but it happened (crying) >> they took my kids away from me! desert, or trail, only rzr delivers. now's the time to buy during the polaris xp sales event. take your pick of our new limited edition rzrs and get financing as low as 2.99%.
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>>. >> megyn: new developments concerning the wife of the older boston bombing suspect. new report that law enforcement is carefully reexamining katherine russell tsarnaev to determine what she knew about the attack. reportedly she alerted her husband after seeing the photographs and video of him that were released by the f.b.i. on the thursday that they were apprehended. after getting the call they believe tamerlan tsarnaev decided he could not hide anymore triggering the wild chase last week. we'll have more on the next hour
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on the reporter that broke that news, steve hayes. >> i am and all of us that were adversaries. >> who is saying. >> i don't know. it's america. why are they doing this? the kids and they were going to be safe for any reason but it happened. they took my kids away from me. >> megyn: america took my deaths away from me. i thought i was going to be safe in america, yeah, what happened opposite. thanks to the concern. that was the bhov of the bombing suspect blaming america for the
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state of her sons. she is not the only one. she went on to insist the brothers are innocent of murdering americans. the debate begins, is she just a grieving mother? did she help leave lead her sons down the path and is negotiation m eric in need of introspection in the wake of what happened with her two sons. some suggest the answer is yes. joining me is alan come himself and ben ferguson. i mean, i think america is going to protect us. it is going to be safe, but it happened opposite. right, thanks to your family it happened opposite for 200 americans? >> not only that. i laugh at the fact that this is america's fault. russia tipped us off about her sons, we also know she received
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texts from her son possibility of being an attacker. blame america. america gave your kids an incredible education, gave them scholarships. gave them food stamps. gave them help and assistance to become great people. what else did she want from america after all of that when her son or sons go out and kill people 14 different limbs are lost because of the actions of their son and she wants to blame america? leave this country and never come back. i have no problem with that. >> megyn: alan, she notably missing from her remarks was any condolences offered to the victims of the boston marathon bombing. it was, of course, makes sense she think it was paint in the street and not blood. this woman is getting a lot of exposure. on media channels across the world and her message is very
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clear. blame america. america took my sons away are from me. america is what is not safe, not my children. >> first she is going to get attention because people are curious about the family, who are the paints. who else did these bombers know. i am not going to beat up on a grieving mother. no, i'm not. excuse me, please. this is a woman who has lost one son. she has a dead son or another son that will be in jail the rest of his life or be dead with the death penalty and she is denial for what happened. she is grieving. this is mother who is in tremendous grief. she is not responsible a week ago monday. >> megyn: we don't know that. >> since we don't know that. i am giving her the benefit of the doubt. i'm not going beat up on a woman who has basically lost two sons. >> megyn: i broke news on this
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case yesterday after speaking with two sources that had been briefed by the f.b.i. the f.b.i. in a classified briefing revealed that she, the mother, had sent text messages as early as 2011 to a relative living in russia, saying my son has been radicalized and now willing to die for us lamb. did she do anything, did she do anything to intervene, to stop him? so far the reports have been she is the one who started to lead him down that path. >> not only that, you have a mother, if you think your son is unstable, most normal mothers that would be actually grieving as a mother right now would have done everything in their power. we know the love of their mother and what they can do. you would do whatever you can to save and help your son including talking to authorities so she doesn't hurt other people. that is not what she did. that is what you have to look
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at. i don't have a lot of sympathy when she blames americtelly gavn dream including an education. >> megyn: she was on welfare benefits according to authorities. >> the place she is pledging allegiance is the place that started this off. she does live in an extremist world. >> megyn: the parents both say they regret living in the united states. >> it's anti-american. >> megyn: i regret it too because i regret the eight-year-old martin richards and other victims. i want to ask this. it's not just the grieving mother. look, we need to hook to america for this. she complained about -- she alked about how he did fit in. hold on a second.
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she claims he did have friends in america. her son did have friends, but he came out and posted on his blog, older one, i have no american friends. i don't understand them. this week, we have an op-ed dean and professor, events of boston should prompt americans to reflect whether we do an adequate job of assimilating immigrants that come here as teenagers. >> i think we do an adequate job. two people how many that come here on a regular basis and you are assimilated in our society. to refer to what you were talking about just a moment ago. i don't know -- we don't know how involved her son's' lives she were. did she support the bombing? i believe she is a woman in grief and denial. before all the facts are in and before she gets over the grief of losing her children and speak
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rationally, i think we're jumping to a bunch of conclusions without having the information. >> megyn: where are the condolences for the victims? >> she doesn't believe her sons are responsible. >> megyn: what did you do with my sops. why did they need to kill him? it was report that younger son that ran over the older son in a car. >> i think we have to draw a line of separation before we have more information about what that relationship was. >> if your kids are accused of being involved in a crime where people were killed and murdered and you don't believe the video of the explosion, you don't believe the video of legs literally being gone from people's bodies and all the amateur footage in the world that she still doesn't believe that, it makes me believe it's more about her spreading a
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message of being anti-america as she has done so well that is playing all over the world right now. any mother that knows a child is killed, regardless of grief, would say obviously i pray for the people hurt. i don't think my children did this. she did not do that. >> megyn: she left this country after having been charged with stealing from lord and taylor, thousands of dollars worth of dresses. she left and i believe there is a warrant out for her arrest. the husband is on the way back to the united states she is not. if she comes here she will be arrested and interrogated and then what she knew. f.b.i. wants to know what she knew. thank you both. >> thanks. >> megyn: growing calls for the military to fire a top general who overturned a sexual assault conviction by a jury. he did not think that verdict
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matched up with the facts in the case. he is allowed to do that, so why do people want him fired. on a controversy that went all the way to the top of the pentagon. and the story that sold fireworks to the terrorist suspects says they weren't powerful to produce the blast. >> to point him and direct him to the most powerful and loudest fireworks we had. i actually broke down add cried because it was very overwhelming to know that somebody that had done something so all of us here was at our store. oh, boy. [ groans ] ♪ ♪
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family live. they want him booted from the military and they want the general that overturned the conviction booted, as well. pete, they say extracted a promise from the military this guy would not be reassigned can kim or the family and promise has been violated. they are ticked off what the general did. they want him expelled from the military all totaling? >> that is probably not going to happen. the air force transferred him. it's very dispassionate, they positioned him in that location. they should have considered and thought through that before they took that step. in looking at this case, i have a lot of empathy for the woman who came forth and talked about this and truly feels she has been wronged and certainly military has perception issues with sexual assault.
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there is a a protocol through the justice that the commander went through. it's a confusing case. more confusing it really is. >> megyn: let me jump in because what she said she was at a party at wilkerson's house in italy, the wife was there as well. she was too drunk to go home and decided to stay in a guest room. in the middle of the night she awoke to find him sexually assaulting her. the jury found in favor of the victim and said she had been raped. general franklin overturned the conviction after getting 80 letters of clemency on behalf saying trust us when we tell you this guy could never do it. looking back at the evidence, there was a witness testimony from a female friend of the alleged victim who actually took her to the hospital the next day and she said to the general when he was reviewing this, don't --
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you have to overturn the conviction. this woman may have a reason to lie and other testimony that suggested in another case years ago she was less than credible something the jury never heard. >> reporter: there is lie detector test that was failed by the colonel. there both sides have a lot of evidence. i think what is not the case here. this is a sweetheart deal of a three-star general helping out a colonel in the air force. this general reviewed five sexual assault cases, two he overturned and three he upheld. his superiors say he is man of integrity. this general thought there was reasonable doubt. >> megyn: it's so foreign to the rest of us. in the civilian system, the jury those are the people who observe. they watch the witnesses. they assess credibility and make the judgment call.
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this guy looked at evidence that was not aloud, there is reason that it is not aloud and didn't sit in the trial. >> in the military judgments are not made by juries, they are made commanders. they can overrule them. there is a difference between the way a military structure for command for execution for efficiency vis-a-vis a democratic society juries of peers. it doesn't make it right or wrong. i don't know if the general made the right call in this case. i certainly hope he did for the sake of everyone involved. if he didn't, someone that committed a sexual assault is back in the military. he had the authority and he doesn't have to explain himself. >> megyn: chuck hagel is pushing to change that. we'll see whether congress goes along. pete, thanks for being here. coming up a boston newspaper secures a three hour interview
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>>. >> megyn: boston newspaper secures a three-hour interview with a man carjacked by the bombing suspect. >> 26-year-old man is filling in the pieces what happened between the death of the m.i.t. police officer. we know that when tamerlan forced his way into mercedes at gunpoint he admitted he was behind the bombing and killed a police officer. we did not know they drove
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around for 90 minutes with danny thinking he was going to be his last. they loaded up with bombs and they talked about girls, iphones and then used his car to get money from atm. talked about going to new york and drove town to town looking for an open gas station with tamerlan continuing to give danny these warnings saying, quote. don't look at me. do you remember my face? no, i don't remember anything said danny. dan think then believes his nationality saved his life with him saying, quote, that is why your english is not good. you are chinese. chinese are very friendly to muslims. we are so friendly to muslims. later danny got a phone call from a friend. tamerlan issued this warning. if you say a single word in chinese i will kill you right now. when they found an open gas
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station, 2000 har went inside to pay. tamerlan set his gun down in the car and what is when danny made his break to a gas station across the street. the clerk called 9/11 and they used the satellite system in the mercedes and his cellphone to track down that car. >> megyn: trace, thank you. we have breaking news with new details on how these bombs were detonated. this is just breaking and it raises one stunning question. plus we'll speak to the report who broke the call between tamerlan and his wife after the f.b.i. broke the news on the suspects in the case. so...how'd it go? well, dad, i spent my childhood living with monks learning the art of dealmaking. you've mastered monkey-style kung fu? no. priceline is different now. you don't even have to bid.
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>>. >> megyn: fox news alert. new details about how the marathon bombs were detonated that could change this investigation. brand-new hour of america live. i'm megyn kelly. sources are now telling fox news that the bombs used to kill three people and injury about 200 were detonated by someone who was within the line of sight meaning they had to see the bombs being detonated. because of that, investigators are not ruling out the possibility that a third person may have been, may have been involved in this attack. our chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge is back with us live in washington. >> reporter: national security
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source told fox news on the condition of anonymity pause they are not authorized to speak on the investigation saying the bombs had line of sight with a speed controller as the trigger. based on an f.b.i. and homeland security intelligence bulletin they relied on remote toy cars. the range of the toy car components in boston is not public, it's typically 250 yards or less. significantly the national security source also confirmed that remote controlled parts are not part of inspire magazine, the al-qaeda web magazine is how to guide to build bombs. working theory that one or both brothers triggered the debt nations, a third party in the crowd has not been ruled out, but there is no evidence a third party at this time. the f.b.i. is reviewing the brothers' computers for domestic contacts in the plot making.
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>> megyn: that is interesting in inspire magazine. >> reporter: extremely important because the earlier information they had gleaned the information from reading inspire magazine which is a propaganda magazine put out by al-qaeda. from yemen how to make your own explosives. fox news confirmed that inspire magazines doesn't have instructions to use remote controlled cars. >> megyn: where did they get it. tamerlan is a college dropout the younger one was said to be a pothead who smoked pot every day. how did they figure that out? how did they figure out who detonate these without using inspire? who taught them. yet another thing they will need to look in including tamerlan's trip to russia. >> reporter: f.b.i. is reconstructing the six months in russia and what former members
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of the terrorism task force in new york said fox news, if you look at the quantity of explosives they were able to produce and also the fact they were effective and they didn't seem to have any accidents in the process, this again speaks to the idea there was some kind of formal or person to person bomb making training. >> megyn: thank you very much. this all relates to in part the interrogation the f.b.i. was performing on the living suspect. they said they were getting very good information but they had yet to talk to him about position international ties and so on. that was another area they wanted to explore with him more. perhaps this kind of information may have helped them in the interrogation. now, we'll never know because it was shut down. we'll speak to the chairman of committee in moments. >> they are examining the role
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that tamerlan's wife played in these bombings. steve hayes joins frustration washington. before i get to the wife, let me get you to comment on that breaking news from catherine. i reported yesterday here on fox the f.b.i. was outraged because it was shut down in their interview. they said they needed more time to explore possible international links. by the way, if there is a possible international link, that makes it more and more likely this guy gets treated as an enemy combatant in or criminal justice system. they didn't get pursue the questions they wanted to. you were given the same information yesterday. f.b.i. is very unhappy? >> very unhappy. in fact, you beat me on that story. i was chasing as fast as i could. up popped your story. it was a great scoop. we were told substantially the same thing.
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the f.b.i. interrogators were surprised. they had a short heads up, but they were surprised to stop their interrogations. one of the reasons they were upset the way they had been conducting the investigation was sort of hot and cold on and off, tough and easy. they didn't have time to reprioritize their questions. if they had a long list of questions they could have at least scrambled, here are the five questions we need to get an answer to. they didn't have enough time to make sure that those questions got asked before dzhokar tsarnaev was mirandized. that is the real frustration they are feeling. >> megyn: you understand it more as the days go on. this is the news that they are now looking into the possibility of a third person involved and the level of sophistication with these bombs that we did not know
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about, that was not in inspire magazine, may overseas training. all of that relates to national security. there is a real question whether we are going to get that because the guy is lawyered up. the wife -- you broke news on this yesterday -- about how the wife played into tamerlan and dzhokar tsarnaev finding out that the f.b.i. started looking for them? >> very interesting story. dzhokar tsarnaev before he was mirandized told his interrogateding katherine russell had called her husband and said in effect, they are watching you. you are being watched. i don't know if she said anything more than that. what was notable that dzhokar tsarnaev gave interrogators, she didn't seem surprised. her first call was a call, i can't believe it was you. her first call was to say they
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are on to you. >> megyn: basically giving him a heads out, get out of dodge is the working theory. right, exactly. i don't know if she said exactly that to get going. we do know that after that phone call, it set in motion a sees of events including a convenience store robbery. including the killing of the m.i.t. police officer the carjacking and all these things that led to the death of tamerlan tsarnaev and the apprehension of dzhokar tsarnaev >> megyn: do we believe they are looking into her as a potential accessory or accomplice. this mother knew that he was radicalized and got married to her in 2010. they have a three-year-old daughter. it's very hard to believe she had no idea that her lawyer says she worked 80 hours a week and never saw the guy as he was
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taking care of their child? >> that a convenient argument. that an argument a defense lawyer to make inhis circumstance. certainly it's the case at least the people i talked to very interested in looking back at what she said. her lawyer put out a statement she wants to cooperate. there is basically -- unlike some of the other relatives, there is no pretending that these guys weren't involved. they seem to acknowledge they were, but it raises a lot of questions. if she was in fact the one who called them and showed no surprise whatsoever about they having been shown on these videos on national television for having a role in the bombing. i think it certainly suggests she may well have had knowledge after the fact. the question is whether she had fore-knowledge. >> megyn: and initially she said i'm not talking to you. sunday night she was seen sunday leaving her house with f.b.i.
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agents for a few hours. then the question about whether she will or has submitted to a polygraph. it's not always advisable but if you are innocent and want to prove to authorities, many us would volunteer. steve, we'll see you later tonight on special report. coming up new fallout on the decision that cut short the interrogation of the surviving bombing suspect. it's all coming together now. you are getting the feeling for why the f.b.i. was so upset. we'll be joined by the chairman of the house intelligence committee, mike rogers the answers she demanding from attorney general eric holder and why he says mirandizing the suspect and rogers is pointing the finger at the magistrate judge saying she may have gone over there on her own. she wants to know why eric
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holder acceded to that behavior. >> and the person that sold the fireworks to the bombing suspects is speaking out claiming the fireworks that the pair of brothers bought -- i believe it was the older brother -- were not powerful enough to cause the damage in boston. could that store be in legal trouble? and has the game changed in syria. one day after the defense secretary announces that chemical weapons had been used in the syrian war, the white house now says it is taking a second look at that evidence. meantime, the white house also admitted it. that is next. >> the broader point is once we establish the facts, i have made clear that the use of chemical weapons is a game changer.
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>>. >> megyn: fox news alert and white house is warning that military action is just one option available to deal with
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syria's reported use of chemical weapons. it comes one day after chuck hagel said they believe assad regime has used these chemicals. we got this video along with claims that chemical weapons had been used there, but so far no confirmation on specific dates or specific incidents. wendall goler is live. >> reporter: u.s. officials say there is physical evidence which we understand is blood samples showing sarin gas and there were limited attacks last month but they need more evidence of who is responsible for them. and because we didn't find the labs and officials say president obama wants proof that chemical weapons were used in syria. >> the white house said in the
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letters that were sent by the director of affairs on capitol hill we are continuing to work on build on this assessments made by the intelligence community, the degree of confidence, this is not an airtight case. >> reporter: assad denies ordering a chemical weapons attack and even if it was one of his generals assad is responsible. republicans want to establish a safe haven for opposition fighters in syria with a no-fly zone, they wanted to provide u.s. arms for the opposition and even some democrats seem to support the idea. >> one of the most important issues, we do bring together the other countries. we need to work as a team. like we did in libya, we brought the arab league involved and nato involved. it's the same situation here. >> president is meeting with jordan's king abdulla whose
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country is feeding half a million refugees and there is concern about political pressure that is putting on one of the most important alleys in the middle east. >> megyn: joining me is ralph peters, good to see you again. now, we have our defense secretary confirming that we believe chemical weapons were used. white house confirms it in a letter that was issued april 25th but said, our standard of evidence must build on these intelligence assessments as we speak seeking to establish credible and corroborated facts. now the press in particular folks on the right side are criticizing the administration saying they are looking for ways not to act. your thoughts. >> president obama and his people are back-pedaling as fast as they can. i think it's amazing they are blaming george w. bush for their inability to do anything.
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his decisions in iraq paralyzes us in syria. megyn, this president has made so many promises and so many threats regarding syria the, the enormous consequences if the red line were crossed and assad regime used chemical weapons. that implied military force. now, the white house is saying, military force is one of options but to put it into human context all of us in our lives have some moments where we got some terrible news. you think please don't let it be true. that is obama's position now. now, he is praying that somehow it won't be true and won't have to do anything. >> megyn: and he said there will be consequences, you will be held accountable the use of chemical weapons is a game changer and you had charles
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krauthammer saying 23 we don't do something now and we blame on on evidentiary standard, our threat won't be good. that causes problems beyond syria? >> yes, it will be beyond syria. one of probz with north korea is that president obama doesn't have credibility. taking polls out of it. going to glows guantanamo. didn't do it. going to fix afghanistan, he didn't do that. there will be dreadful consequences in syria and he is looking for a way to do nothing. even libya, after benghazi we were going to bring those guys to justice. not a lot of motion on that. this is a president who speaks beautifully and acts with remarkable weakness for an american president. >> megyn: at the same time, however, the american people don't want to see the united states rush into syria in any
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military capacity and certainly not on the basis of misinformation. that is mess in which we don't want to get involved, yet the human rights abuses and the torture and murder of children that we have seen going on there have led many to believe that some response is required of us. >> it's tough. i certainly don't want more military inintervention without a clear plan and somewhat for seeable outcome. taking out those chemical weapons would be very, very hard. this won't be a pinpoint strikes. its hard mission. the president made a threat. he doesn't want to live up to it. the american people are going -- as for intervention in syria, early on when there were good guys and bad guys. now, we have a lot more bad guys on the insurgent side. there is still a better choice than assad, not the al-qaeda
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types but rather the original insurgents. it's getting so complex now that i'm afraid we can no longer sort it out. the mission has to be prevent the dissemination of chemical weapons and that will be very hard for an administration that can never make up its mind and everybody winds up dead. >> megyn: ralph, thank you for being here. >> coming up in chairman of the house intel committee has fired off a high powered letter to the department of justice demanding to know who made the decision to cut the interrogation of boston bombing suspect short just as the f.b.i. was getting with, quote, national security implications. we will ask him what he has learned so far.
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>>. >> megyn: the house has overwhelmingly approved a senate plan to ease nationwide flight delays that some blame on automatic spending changes we were referring to as the sequester. those changes forced thousands of trovls to take an un -- air traffic controllers to take unpaid delays dais off but critics say it's a political tragedy to get travelers to complain to lawmakers that the faa could have reduced it's budget in other areas. mike? >> the vote in the house was 361 to 41 to give the transportation secretary the flexibility to move money around and avoid furloughs. faa administrater said he didn't
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think he had the flexibility so there were thousands of air traffic controllers put on furlough and thousands of flight delays. there was concern about economic impact, people being stuck stouk runways or deciding to stay home. supports of bill say it needs to be resolved. >> this is simply no way to run a government, but the congress is stepping in to correct the problems created by the administration's inaction. we're taking the step because of the gross mismanagement of this important function for the safety of all americans who fly and on behalf of the commerce depends on reliable air system. >> reporter: a number of democrats said they were fine with fixing aviation. they also wanted fixes for other programs like head start affected by sequestration. at the white house jay carney says president obama intends to sign it.
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>> the president believes it's good news to eliminate this problem, but as i've said and he believes this is a band-aid covering a massive wound to the economy. >> reporter: before lawmakers leave for a week's recess this crisis will be averted and if you have a flight delay, can blame the airline or the weather. >> megyn: thank you. growing outrage over a decision to miran dies and cut short the bombing suspect his interrogation. now there are questions the judge went to the hospital room and went over at her own initiation. mike rogers is the one suggesting it and assigns us with his take on the decision next. [ male announcer ] this is kevin.
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>>. >> megyn: fox news alert, out of the white house, president obama moments ago discussing the crisis in syria after meeting with the king of jordan. he talks about the reports that the assad regime may have used chemical weapons against its own people which president obama has described as a red line for us. listen to what he just said. >> hold on a second. one at a time. what we have right now is an intelligence assessment. as i said, knowing that
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potentially chemical weapons have been used inside of syria doesn't tell us when they were used, how they were used and same confirmation and strong evidence, all of those things we have to make sure we work on with the international community we ourselves are going to be putting a lot of resources in focusing on this. i think that in many ways a line has been crossed when we see tens of thousands of innocent people being killed by a regime. but the use of chemical weapons and dangers that it poses to the international community to neighbors of syria and for them to get in the hands of terrorists, all of those things add increase urgency to what is already a significant security problem and humanitarian problem in the region.
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so we're going working with countries like jordan to try to obtain more direct evidence and confirmation of this potential use. in the meantime, i've been very clear publicly, but also privately that for the syrian government to utilize chemical weapons on its people crosses a line that will change my calculus in how the united states approaches these issues. so, this is not an on or off switch, this is an ongoing challenge that all of us have to be concerned about, and we're going to be working with the international xuichbt and our partners to keep our eyes on what is happening on the ground to gather any evidence of potential chemical weapon use. at the same time to continue to help with a moderate and inclusive opposition to bring
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about the day when the syrian people can once again focus on living their lives, raising their children, starting businesses and obtaining basic freedom and human rights. this is going to be a long term proposition. this is not going to be something that is solved easily overnight. i know that king abdullah is committed to find these kind of solutions and so am i. >> megyn: as the president says we need to act prudently and that our information that they did use chemical weapons as of now is still preliminary, but the president again saying if they have, it would be a, quote, a game changer. more on that as we get it. back to one of our top stories, as lawmakers are demanding answers from the attorney general after a federal magistrate judge decided to advise boston bombing suspect of
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his miranda rights just 16 hours into what the f.b.i. believed would be a much more lengthy interrogation. as we told you yesterday, dzhokar tsarnaev stopped talking and he hasn't talked since. they want to know who made the decisions here. michigan congressman mike rogers chairman. house intel committee and former f.b.i. special agent. thank you so much for being here. i read your letter to the attorney general. it's incredible to me that your information, i had heard this but didn't think it was possible -- is that the magistrate judge herself was the one who initiated all of this? she and not the doj put this chain of events into motion before the feds 'had filed a criminal complaint? >> that is what was so shocking the as you aware, great legal
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mind, it's highly unusual. we can't find a case where the federal judge decided to go and intervene in what would be a public safety, which is deemed public safety interview which is deemed appropriate by the united states supreme court when there are issues of public safety. picked up the phone and saw it on tv and decided they needed ts and begin initiating the fact that they wanted to do this arraignment. you think about this. we have other case law that shows if someone is hospitalized that in and of itself allows you more time. the clock kind of slows counsel a little bit when somebody is getting medical treatment. he was. he was arrested friday night. he is going through a whole series of medical procedures. he is in and out of consciousness. we needs to get rest and recuperate. f.b.i. is trying to interview when appropriate, when it's not
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appropriate according to what doctors nearby and so the magistrate feels they need to intercede in this event. let me tell you why this is so concerning. if you are going to assert as the administration does that they can do these terrorist cases by bringing them to a u.s. court and taking them to article 3 court, and exception they use is the public safety exception, that is why we can do this and still get intelligence valuable to protect people -- this is really damaging precedent to using this exception. it's very concerning. >> megyn: is it very clear to you -- this was my information yesterday -- that the f.b.i. was stunned, that it's interrogation was shut down midstream and it came as a surprise to them that the magistrate judge and the assistant u.s. attorney and public defender was coming over that they were going positive
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mirandize the suspect? >> i think they were stunned because the judge had affirm ivl reached out, i'm going intervene in your interrogation. that is where the shock i think came from. so you can imagine they are thinking, our clock is ticking, we need to try to find out. are there more bombs or more people who want to build bombs? very clearly within the public safety exception. again, that is what was surprising to them. the other part of this, what did doj do? did they push back, hold a minute, we are using the exception here. we don't care if he confesses. this is about public safety. none of those discussions to my knowledge happened. that is why the f.b.i. left. i heard several pundits around and say the f.b.i. was done and left. it was a big deal. the f.b.i. folks on the ground
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they needed more time. they were finding inconsistencies in his statement. that is the time you start bill go rapport to build in. it was all done. that is very unfortunate. it challenges this policy notion you can have a intelligence for public safety and criminal court going on at the same time. >> megyn: you have the decision to treat him as a criminal defendant in the criminal justice system which was criticized. clare him an enemy combatant or wait a few days and give yourself the time you need to question him about other bombs and potentially other links to maybe other countries. the f.b.i. now is saying they didn't have that time. i want to ask you first on the pointed you made. doj, it's not like the magistrate judge put changes around the assistant attorney and dragged him into the
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hospital room. do eric holder respond to you thus far they pushed back on this magistrate judge. doj oversees the f.b.i. so they should have known the f.b.i. was not done? >> especially when the assistant attorney general said i'm going intervene in this interrogation under public safety exception. clearly that would have risen to the level. that has not been determined. i have talked to senior officials at department of justice and there seems to be confusion how exactly it happened. the story changed a little bit today. that is what is so concerning. again, he was a u.s. citizen. believe they were right on the fact he was going to go to a criminal court. he a u.s. citizen in the united states, but i also believe that when they say they are going use the public safety exception, that is how we protect the nation and the community from these weapons of mass destruction. that is what is so confusing. so the doj clearly played a
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role. they showed up with the magistrate, with the public defender all in the same loom. so they clearly had coordinated that and had done some negotiation but they didn't talk to the agents who were saying, can you give us more time. we better get this fixed. >> megyn: let me ask you this: is there any chance that our intel officials go in and resume questioning. miranda shuts off to use statements thereafter in a court of law but what is to stop the f.b.i. and other interrogation groups and saying we don't care if you have a lawyer. we don't care if these statements can be used against you, we care about the nation's security, so start talking? >> as long as that information is not used in court and you can show, but that is where the debate begins. they are arguing, no, it's sealed tight and going to an article 3 court. the judge is arraigned.
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you don't have access anymore. we are going to have to work this out. it creates a huge problem, but gun if you are going to assert this as national policy you can bring terrorists anywhere in the world and mirandize here in the country and going through an article 3 court, this is problem that it presents. >> megyn: eric holder said years ago, after we mirandized the christmas day bomber, we need to go back to congress and expand that sub safety exception and give law enforcement the tools they need. he got pushed back from the left and it never happened. i wanted to switch gears with you. there is a report that not only was the older brother placed on a terrorist watch list pursuant to the c.i.a.'s request back in 2011 but the mother was also placed on a terrorist watch list then. can you confirm that? >> first of all, the terrorist watch list is a higher standard. he was never placed on that
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higher standard list. there is another list that doesn't reach the same standard, doesn't have the same triggers on it. again, remember they couldn't corroborate in 2011 or find any derogatory information. >> that is what i'm going for. was the mother placed on the list? >> i have not seen that as of today. i have not seen she was on the list. i will say, however, if you think about the information that was provided and that a family relative was also believed to be a part or participating in some way the radicalization of the older brother, that would be a logical conclusion. >> megyn: next question. is there any question right now about whether there is another person involved in this crime connected to this crime? >> you can exclude that, but there are persons of interest
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who the f.b.i. and others are interested in talking to. >> megyn: persons here in the united states or persons overseas? >> when you have folks that are interactive with whole host of folks and have connections here in the united states, that builds a person of interest. so there are several persons of interest they would like to talk to and get further clarification. that is the logical part of the conclusion. we would have loved it if we gotten more time and identify these individuals. again, the judge of the doj thought it best to intervene in the public safety interview. that is what is so concerning. >> megyn: when do you think you will get an answer from eric holder. this is matter of national security. when do you think you are going to get your response? >> if we haven't heard back early next week, we will ramp up our ability to get answers. it was clear in the conversation they hadn't done their number
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vetting. they hadn't gone through the questioning. this is a serious matter. this is national security matter. >> megyn: i got to run. mr. chairman, thank you. this is america. we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who gets heartburn and then treats day afr day... block the acid with prilosec otc and don't get heartburn in the first place! [ male announcer ] e pill eachmorning. 24 hours. zero heartbur
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>>. >> megyn: kelly's court is back in session. store that sold the fireworks to one of boston bombing suspects. this is phantom fireworks location where store records show two mortar kits packed with
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24 shells each were sold to tamerlan tsarnaev back in february of this year. we are told he asked for the most powerful kit they had and bought one and got the other one for free. the products they say were not powerful enough to do the damage we saw in boston. >> i just don't think they would have been able to mine enough powder from these products to produce that. the other part is, we all saw the explosion. it was gray smoke. you saw no color. no fireworks effects. no whistle or crackle. >> megyn: could they face liability? defense attorney and former prosecutor and david who a defense attorney. there is no criminal liability but should these fireworks be more regulated and is there any accountability for the fireworks store if, indeed, their products were used in the boston bombs?
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>> absolutely there should be liability. here is why. in this particular case, new hampshire legalizes fireworks, however, this guy that walked in a massachusetts driver's license which happens to be a state where they are completely illegal. he buys 200 dollars worth of gun powder, nobody asks him, you are going back to state that is completely illegal? if i buy something off the back of a truck $200, why, because i know there is a strong likelihood that piece of merchandise was stolen. why can't we apply the same liability here? >> megyn: i don't know. you take it. >> first of all, these fireworks are completely legal. people go there were w their cars and load their trunks with them. it happens all the time. the question for a lawsuit wo is
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it foreseeable when you sell these fireworks to two monsters they are going to turn them into homicide bombs and attempt to murder dozens and dozens if not hundreds of people. also, megyn, this was an intervaccine criminal act making the bombs out of whatever gun powder or flash powder they had which was approximately one pound to one and a half pounds. so intervening criminal act of creating a bomb cuts off liability to the fireworks shop. there is not going to be a lawsuit. there won't be liability whatsoever. >> megyn: the store says, they could not have gotten enough powder out of fireworks. they probably went to look for another fuel. the absence of colored smoke suggested e suggests to them it was an alternate fuel source. >> i it wasn't the 4th of july, why can't they be a little more vigilant when somebody walks in
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>>. didn't view him as any different customer came in and like 90% of the males that shop in our store asked what is the biggest, loudest thing you have. this is pretty big box. so i would suspect if they saw this, they would describe it as a large by row tech nick. >> megyn: according to him they like the fireworks big and loud and they want a big pyrotechnic so it didn't raise alarm bells. should it be legal to buy
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fireworks, something to be used as a fuel for a bomb in this country if you are not certified for fireworks display? >> it inherently dangerous. i go to my local gun shop quite a bit and those are very dangerous products if not used in a safe manner. should a gun shop be held liable that buys a legal product and abuses it and kills someone? of course not. there is no difference between this case and this fireworks case. you mentioned earlier the times square bomber also went there. it doesn't make a difference. >> megyn: they went to the one in pennsylvania. >> you are selling a legal product in a legal manner. you don't have any knowledge about the plans of these nut jobs that are going to abuse it, you are off the hook as far as civil soots suits go. >> there is only one way to ice a gun and there are several ways
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♪ >> megyn: thanks for watching. have a great weekend. "studio b" starts in now. >> i'm greg jarrett in for shep. the news begins anew here on "studio b." we're getting new information on how the boston attackers set off their bombs. it comes as officials move the you canner suspect to a prison medical center. >> president obama commenting for the first time on intelligence that may indicate syria could have used chemical weapons. does this cross his red line? and congress taking a major step towards cutting down on flight delays across the country. what lawmakers did and how long until we see results. all ahead on "studio b."

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