president will follow suit. so we're begging you, please don't do it. that's all the time we have left this evening. thank you for being with us. and have a great weekend. >> greta: tonight, why are we still paying him? yes, we're paying the salary of the u.n. official, the one who blamed the united states for the boston bombing. can't we fire him? plus, president obama promises health care law would not cost you more. well, the plan has changed, big time. news tonight some may be paying 25% more on premiums. but first, cleared for takeoff. >> i think we all agree the faa and the administration has handled this sequester poorly. >> the house has passed a measure that will end those faa air traffic controller furloughs, and the president has said he will sign it. >> we're here today because this administration has decided to put politics over passengers.

>> no members of congress should be surprised at the havoc brought by the sequester. >> mr. president, i urge you, tell your administration, tell them to grow up. >> if you're going to implement the sequester, let the agencies have the flexibility to do the less harm and pain to the american public. >> these delays are a problem for many americans. and that's a real negative consequence. >> the flight delays are just the tip of the iceberg. >> the administration has played shameful politics for sequestration at the cost of hardworking american families. >> greta: after a week of inexcusable flight delays and national public uproar, congress green lighted a bill to an air traffic control furloughs. but is the damage to the economy already done? donald trump joins us. nice to talk to you, donald. >> hello, greta.

>> greta: this whole mess with the furloughs, the air traffic controllers, what has been the impact on business? >> it's been very negative. it was politics and i think it backfired on the president and everybody else that played the game. but it's been very negative for businesses throughout the country. >> greta: when you say it backfired on the president, how has it backfired on the president? he's in his second term, he's not going to run again. does it mean he won't be as influential with other programs he would like to marshal through the house and senate? >> they say he wanted this to happen from the standpoint he wanted to show he was right about the sequester. it's almost hard to believe that could be possible, but there are many people and people that i know very much that he wanted this to happen, but it backfired on him, and it's ashame. but it's a shame really for the people that are waiting five hours at an airport to take off. it's been a mess. >> when you say he wanted this

to happen, what does he get out of it? this has been very painful to the american people, whether you fly or want your products, but what does he get out of this? >> well, the word is he would get out of it the fact that the cuts he made are really very bad for the economy, and this is one that people see, much more so than some of the others. but it was something that hasn't worked it. and he didn't feel it could have been this bad. it's really been bad. you're also talking about safety, we're talking about waiting for hours in many cases and many hours. but you're also talking about flight safety and you can't mess around with that, greta. >> the way the faa discussed it, they said it had to do with efficiency. which i didn't agree on. i thought if anything did happen catastrophic, there would be blood on the hands of every

politician. so i thought it was far more dangerous than people realized and i think we got lucky that nothing happened. i still don't get what the president wins from this by pushing this through. i don't understand why infli inflicting the american people with this would be positive. >> you would have to ask the president that question, because i don't see it either. but many people are saying that is what happened. the amazing thing is it's a very, very small amount of money relative to what's going on in this country and economy. but it was painful and very painful to the business. it's the money the country is losing, because they can't function properly. i know many people that can't sell flights. they were doing business trips, even if you said vacations, those resorts aren't doing as well. the real number is probably

untold. nobody knows what the real number is. >> i'm a little suspicious that it has impact on morale. when the country is feeling low, the economy has a harder time getting revved up. i think the fact that when we see our politicians inflicting this pain on us, and you see the president not showing the leadership to somehow rise above it and get the house and senate to come up with a solution, i think there's a huge dampening effect on our nation's morale. agree or not? >> i totally agree. in terms of the nation's morale, it wouldn't be very high now any way. but now you have millions of people waiting at airports for five hours to get on an airplane. i would say their morale is not too good. i agree with you. >> greta: what about any impact on the military? that's the next area of cuts everyone is looking at. you tweeted you were reflecting on the sequester cuts to military versus what's going on in china. >> i don't like the military cuts and i don't think it's

necessary. what we need is to get the country going again. if we could get this country going, if we could bring jobs back to this country, everything is solved. we would be taking in so much money, we would be so rich again. right now we're a debtor nation. but we would be so strong and solid again. i hate cutting military. how do you cut military when the things are happening to us that are happening and when the world hates us? you look at the world, they hate us. so we shouldn't be cutting military. i hate to see it. we have to get the country working again. >> greta: how do you do that? we go back to the old discussion, this business about jobs. do you have the sense that the government really is focusing on the problem that so many americans are unemployed? i go right back to the inner city where the unemployment rates are 16% to 27% in some neighborhoods. >> it's the worse. but other countries are making our products and taking our

jobs. and they're not necessarily playing by the rules. frankly, in most faces, they're not playing by the rules because there's nobody to say you're not playing by the rules. what we have to do and do it strongly, if we don't get them to play fair with their currency, and i'm talking about china and other countries. there are other countries, not just china. and when you look at opec, where the oil is $90 and $100 and there's so much oil around. it's monopoly. they're just setting the price of oil and it's a killer for this country. if oil is more than $40 a barrel in this country, i don't think the country can do well. that's what's happening. >> are we weak in the sense that we don't enforce different -- we don't go after currency manipulators? are we looking the other way and trying to please everybody but not showing any leadership or protection to the american people? >> greta, we don't do anything. and we have such power.

we've made these countries wealthy. if you travel, and i do that a lot, if you travel to some of these countries with the beautiful airports and the beautiful bridges and the magnificent everything they have, including roadways, highways, schools, and you come back here, we're becoming like a third world country. you land at laguardia, kennedy, lax, we're becoming like a third world country. you go to some of these countries where they have airports that are so magnificent, you've never seen anything like it. and then we arrive into our great country and it's literally like a third world country. >> greta: there's nothing more spectacular than that airport in beijing. >> there are many of them like that. and they're all over china and the middle east. and you know they built it with our money. it's all our money, greta. so let's get these people moving, greta.

come on, greta, you can do better. >> thank you, donald. >> thank you very much. bye. >> greta: and congress stepping in only after enormous public outrage. is there a political cost to sequester and who should pay? reince priebus joins us. i know since you're the chair of the republican party you're going to blame the president and democrats for se questions -- sequestration. but do the republicans deserve any of the blame? >> let me back up, because i thought you and mr. trump was into an interesting conversation about what the president has to gain. you remember a super committee was put together to figure out how to reduce spending in this country. they failed, and as a result of that failure, we had this thing called a sequestration.

they wanted cuts to happen on every line item in washington. the theory was it would be so painful and so erratic that republicans would have to come back and accept the tax increases that the president wanted. that was their theory. the republican -- >> that is such a lousy game to play with the american people. i mean, that whole gamesmanship back and forth on that, the whole idea is because they don't do their job. the job is not being done. so let's punish the american people so the american people either get hurt or rise up and scream. >> 100% agree. now the other theory of the case was, fine, we're going to have these spending cuts but let's give the president the

flexibility to decide what programs should be cut with the department heads and what shouldn't. so if you don't want to cut head start, you don't. if you don't want the faa to lay off air traffic controllers, you don't want to do that. but maybe there's consultants to cut or retreats that need to be cut. so now the consequences of what happened today is that in the future, next week, the week after, when every one of these things pop up and you and mr. trump talked about it in regard to the military or what might be coming next in head start, now we have a plan. the plan is that the flexibility is going to be given to the department and they're going to able to decide what to spend money on and not to. the democrats have truly lost on this thing. >> greta: that's a good idea, but it's going to have to be done bill by bill by bill, department by department, right? >> well, it didn't have to be that. >> greta: but that's the way it's going to be done.

>> that's the way it's probably going to happen. but i think the democrats are going to come back. >> greta: if that's the way it's done, while they do all their little busy work and playing around, they're going to say they're too busy to do tax reform, too busy to do immigration reform, because they're doing these other things. to the extent they do these every single departme as the crisis arises, they didn't do their other work and they got into this mess because they didn't do their work in the first place. >> well, to be clear, though, the president, and i'm not saying it might not happen in the future. i think the democrats might want this authority back. but the president was at one point given the option of being able to do what we're talking about right now across the board without having to do this piecemeal deal. he didn't want to take it because they wanted to have the tax increases across the board and not go through with the spending cuts.

the problem is, when you put people on planes for three or four hours and you're waiting at a terminal, sitting on a tarmac, obviously people just get livid about that. even the democrats in the housae not sticking with the president on this thing. we're going to fix this problem and move on. now, the issue now is, greta, as we talked about, is down the road next week and the week after, i mean, they've totally lost their position and what they thought was going to be their leverage on this. it was a total loss. even ezra klein wrote a column this afternoon in "the washington post." it was 100% loser for the president and the democrats. >> i don't understand, though, why they have to inflict the pain on the american people for what they fundamentally didn't do in the first place and still won't do and require us to raise hell. there's a little part of me that thinks the reason the members of congress moved so fast on the

faa is because they don't want to sit on the tarmac either, because they are leaving down, right? >> just remember, the president had the ability to do this on his own. >> greta: and he's the leader. that is part of the job about being the leader of the country. mr. chairman, thank you, sir. >> thanks, greta. dzhokhar tsarnaev has been moved from a boston hospital and is in a federal prison in central massachusetts. tonight, the carjacking victim who tipped off police to the tsarnaev brothers is telling his terrifying story. he spoke to "the boston globe." eric, thanks for coming on. >> you're welcome. >> greta: tell the viewers what happened, what did this man tell you? >> sure. it starts with him pulling over to send a text message, which

tells you a little something about our guy, danny, his american name. he has a chinese name that he asked us not to share. he's very private, but a very decent, quiet game. 26, turned entrepreneur who came here for school. the older brother comes up to his window, raps on the window. danny lowers the window to hear him and the older brother reaches in the window, pulls open the door and flashes a gun at him and he says, you know, first he says give me your money. then he says have you been following the boston marathon bombings? i did that and killed a police officer in cambridge tonight and don't be stupid. then he tells them to drive. so it goes from being a robbery to a kidnapping. this guy who had only been back in the country for two months after being in china is now on the beginning of a 90-minute

ordeal. 90 minutes with a gun pointed at him, threatening him with that. just a really harrowing tale. >> at some point, he received a phone call or text from a friend? >> yeah. they asked him, does anyone care about you? and he says no. because he wants them -- he's trying to be invisible as possible. and at a certain point, he gets a text message from his roommate in chinese. and tamerlan, the older brother of the two terrorists, takes the phone and looks at the text message and says, you know, what does it say? he reads it so him, and he says, you have an english to chinese dictionary app. so he sends a message that says, i'm sick and staying with a

friend. the roommate calls, there's no answer. tamerlan tells danny, answer it, and if you speak one word in chinese, i'll kill you. so he says in english, i'm sorry, i'm sick, i've got to go. tamerlan says to him, good job, and they keep going. >> greta: how did he get away? >> he figures they might want to go to new york. they asked him, can your car go out of state, which he understands. they say, like to new york? so that's the second clue they want to go to new york in his car. he doesn't know what's going to happen, but the gas is getting low. they said how many more miles do you think we can get to this car, he says 10 to 20.

so they come back towards boston and pull into a gas station. the younger brother gets out to fill up with a credit card and he says, sorry, cash only. the older brother gives him $50, sends him into the food mart to pay for the gas and that leaves danny the car owner and just the older brother in the car. at that moment, danny realizes that the gun is in the pocket of the driver door. so danny knows if he's going to get away, this is his chance. he tries as quickly as he can to unbuckle the seat belt, open the door, get out and slam the door. the older brother realizes what's going on, puts down the gps, curses in english and can't get him. he runs between the car and the gas pump. if he was going to get shot, it would be a really difficult shot. he sprints across the street, bursts in, out of breath and says call 911, trying to tell

the story. at first, the clerk thought he was drunk, but he realized what's happening, gave him the phone and the police are there in minutes. >> eric, that's an amazing story. you got the interview we all wanted. when i saw nit "the boston globe," i had to talk to you. eric, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> greta: straight ahead, why are we paying the salary of a u.n. official who blames america on the boston bombings? and disturbing news tonight. were there red flags that were mised? could the marathon terror attack have been prevented? that's coming up. plus, grammy winner michael buble going underground.

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good bit of it is paid by the united states, which pays to support the united nations human rights council. and so he's an american, 81 years old, a former professor of international law at princeton. has a history of making statements kind of like this. and what we have seen at the u.n. in the wake of this posting is we've seen this massive buck passing where reporters have been saying to u.n. officials, does the secretary-general agree with this? does he support this? and what is he going to do about it? he says i can't do anything about it. the human rights council is a separate body. it's elected by members of the u.n. and you have to remember, a lot of the members of the united nations are very anti-american. they are not free countries. they are not countries that are liberal democracies that have freedom of speech, freedom of religion. a lot of them are repressive

about don't like the united states. and in the past, i mean, we're talking about members like cuba, like china, like venezuela. and we've had a number of very anti-democratic countries with terrible human rights records being elected to the human rights council and denouncing the united states. >> i think it's notable that ambassador susan rice tweeted her outrage, saying -- time for him to go. so the obama administration, what do they think about him? >> that's right. she is the u.s. ambassador to the u.n., susan rice, has condemned this. but in the past, they have said good things about the human rights council, which has been certainly among its critics kind of a joke that isn't funny, because you have so many violators of human rights on this council. >> he's trying to back pedal a

little bit and saying, in part, my only effort was to suggest that in addition to bringing the perpetrators to justice, this could be an occasion for collective self-scrutiny as a nation and as a people. >> in his explanation, he said he wasn't trying to connect any bots, but he was trying to connect the dots and the dots were that the world has been enraged by american conduct in the war on terror, in the war in afghanistan, the war in iraq, the bush administration in general and this is what happened. he called, he is a american, remember, he called the united states a menace to the world and to itself in the original post. so he's backing off a little bit if you read his correction or explanation. >> a little late, though. >> because he got so many negative comments. like he's been mistreated by getting negative reaction. >> greta: he's a princeton

professor, it's not like he had some sort of communication problem. this is clearly what he thought and he's just back pedaling thousand. >> he's been on the leftist fringe for decades. >> greta: this is way off the charts. >> absolutely. he said it at a time when the sensitivity about the boston story is huge, and we saw this a little bit after september 11, where some who blamed the united states for the attack on the united states at the time. not that the united states committed it, but had brought it on itself by the policies in the world. >> byron, thank you. now to tonight's hot button issue. the u.s. contributes to richard faulk's salary. so should someone figure out a way to fire faulk or should we just let this go? and coming up, no one stopped the boston attack and

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was the name was entered the system that would ping the customs and border protection part of homeland security. but nothing happened to that ping. and what we need to find out is exactly what actions -- >> greta: what happens if you do get pinged? >> that ping goes to one individual, who is sorting through tens, if not hundreds of these pings a day and that individual has to make a decision whether to disseminate that information. that's the way i'm hearing it right now. and obviously that broke down, because what should have happened is probably the border agent, as he was leaving the country, should have done something, should have interviewed him. that information should have been passed along to the cia, probably in russia, because that's where he flew to. and it also should have set up a longer time period where he would be on that watch list. when he was first entered in that text system, that sets it

up for a year. so he was pinged, but then because he didn't come back until after that year expired, when he came back into the country, nothing happened. so that's where the breakdown occurred. >> i'm less concerned when someone leaves the country than when someone comes in. so pinging going out, that's one problem. but the fact that he wasn't pinged coming in. the fact that he was taken off the list because basically nothing had gone on in his life. >> for a year. >> greta: but going back to osama bin laden, we hadn't heard from osama bin laden for eight years. under that theory, osama bin laden would have been off that watch list for seven years. so that's a stupid thing. >> i agree. we have to have committee meetings so we can ask tough questions and find out what is the process? so much of this thing ought to be automated. again, we don't know who this individual was and where the breakdown occurred.

but there's probably just way too much information for a person to disseminate that. >> greta: but a human being should have said i can't do this. how about the mother? the fact that we have mother and son, which is an interesting combination on this watch list. why did he make the list? >> because, again, i think the fbi had done its job. they realized when we were notified by the russians, which is kind of unusual, too. the fbi did follow up. they interviewed the family. they found out -- >> what did they do with that information? >> they put them in the watch list. there was apparently -- >> it's like who is on first? >> there was nothing that could prompt further law enforcement

activity. but that's why you put people on the watch list. but the fact they're off the watch list in a year is a problem. the fact that after a ping occurred, nothing really happened with that information. >> greta: when he got pinged, did he notify russia that he got pinged here? >> apparently not. that's what should have happened. an individual, we have to find out what happened to that information. apparently nothing. >> greta: senator, nice to see you. from the great state of wisconsin i add. remember you obama care was not going to cost you more? we may have to peel you off the ceiling when you hear this one. one of the nation's largest health care insurers wants a 25% in premium costs. steve forbes joins us. 25%, and they say that's an average. >> younger people will get hit hard under the way this

legislation was written. younger people will be subsidizing older people. and so you're going to see a lot of younger people say the heck with it, we're not going to pay,0pay thousands. under the law, the insurers have to provide insurance, even if you're ill and have a condition. >> this is like almost delusional. when this was sold to the american people, health costs were not suppose to go up. 25% is not 3%. it's a huge jump. like i said, it's an average. what in the world -- how can anyone pay this stuff? >> the answer is, the taxpayers are supposedly going to provide subsidies, but i'm told that the subsidies aren't going to provide the cost of this thing. so what we have here is a massive delusional exercise where they think somebodout of mars is into pay for this. that's one reason why the

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>> this is just a pattern at the department of energy. it's not the first company. you had solyndra, and now fisker. you have seven more companies on the verge. they'll tell you all the time they base these decisions on the merits of the so-called project and the company. but when you go through the facts, this company, for example, ccc credit rating, junk status. and what that does is crowd out some worthy companies. a lot of -- triple c credit rating. the loan value was twice that of the collateral. who does something like that? only the government, only the department of energy with your tax dollars. and we have an e-mail from the

ceo of fisker saying we need the loan approved now because i can't meet payroll. so it's either complete incompetence, or it's political connections. that's what we point out. or maybe both. >> did you find any political connections? >> a principal at that firm is john door who happens to be on president obama's economic and recovery advisory board. and mr. fisker said there's no political involvement. all these people who meet with the president, they never once talked about it? of course they did. it has to be one or the other or a little bit of incompetence and frankly the political

connection. >> greta: how much is the american taxpayer going to lose? >> $200 million. >> greta: we've got problems with the faa and $200 million is real money. it should be a sign when the private people don't want to invest in something that maybe the government shouldn't. congressman, thank you, sir. straight ahead, swooning in the subways, michael buble giving commuters a big surprise. that's next. commuters a surprise. that's next. ♪ >> this is abraham lincoln. this is the spot where a president puts the most influential president. each president picks a president, and i chose lincoln. now, in my case, influential president, it's got a lot of

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>> greta: okay, everyone, it's time to hash it out. a famous singer goes underground, literally. yahoo tweeting michael buble serenades nyc computers in the subway. how cool is that? looks like riders thought it was. check it out.

♪ >> buble saying it was the best part of his new album promotion. and it was bush 43's day in the spotlight, but now it's his father making headlines. time.com tweeting, george h.w. bush has the best socks. and that's not the first time he's worn fashionable foot ware, including red, white and blue, and stars and stripes. and the ballpark beerman may soon be out of a job.

that's right, unmanned beer delivery services now a reality, at least in south africa. concert goers can order beer from their phones and a hand guided drone will make the deliveries. across the pond, magic meets royalty. the daily telegraph tweeting duke and duchess duel on harry potter set. the royals got to play with all kinds of movie props. and prince william taking a dig at prince harry saying i haven't told him yet that harry potter is fictional. nothing like a little royal sibling rivalry. and so now it's your turn to hash it out with us. don't forget to follow me on twitter. >> greta: coming up, ellen degeneres teaming up with dennis

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. >> greta: time for "last call." you never know what to expect on the ellen show. this time ellen degeneres and dennis quaid pulling a prank on the show's nurse. ellen playing director in quaid's ear. >> i feel like i'm getting shorter. >> i feel like i'm getting shorter. >> can i stand back to back to you? >> can i just stand back to back to you? i used to be tall. no, no, i was taller. >> count how many times i can hop on one leg. >> let's count how many times i can hop on one leg. one, two, three, four. there's a noise in my ear who whole time. it's ellen degeneres. she's been telling me what to say and do. >> that is your "last call."

we'll see you all again monday night. go to gretawire.com and let us know what you thought about the show. good night from washington. captioned by closed captioning services, inc >> eric: hello. i'm eric bolling with kimberly guilfoyle, bob beckel, andrea tantaros, greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city. this is "the five." ♪ ♪ >> eric: president "o" chalking up another first today. he became the first sitting president the address america's largest abortion provider, planned parenthood. watch! ♪ ♪ >> hello, everybody! >> i want to thank all of you. for the remarkable work that you are doing day in and day out and n providing quality healthcare for women all across america. as long as we have to fight to protect a woman's right to make her own choices about her n