>>. >> neil: well, did this group of two already derailed this gang. glad to have you, i'm neil cavuto. immigration reform plan that looked ready to roll now just looking like it might get rolled. senate judiciary committee will start marking up a bill in less than two weeks. lawmakers are saying because of boston, maybe we need to stop things period. this coming as the house gets ready to roll out a series of immigration plans on its own, first won't touch border security at all. if d.c. can't get it together on keeping us safer, is anyone safe? to ben stein.

as you tell he is glad to be back. charles payne, dagen mcdowell. we've also got adam and charlie gasparino. charles payne, what do we make of this? >> the day we have to worry about. everybody has to worry about it. wait for the fog to clear because you will love it when you get the plan out there. we don't need to score any political points the. you can't push a plan through without border security being first and foremost and. to push something through so both sides can say to bloc of voters, we like you would be a huge mistake. >> i hundred percent agree with you the political pandering to the hispanic vote. i have never seen anything so explicit in terms of pandering to an ethnic group. >> company's utility party is

whole another issue. i think when you are pandering or not the fact of the matter you s you are delayin what looked like close at hand reform. i don't know if it is good or bad thing. >> may i respectfully ask, what is connection between border security and tsarnaev brothers. they didn't slip through the border. as far as i know none of the terror suspects have come slipped through the mexican border. >> neil: i didn't think about it the way you phrase it. the issue and gasparino raised with you, now they want to police the folks that are here to ben stein's point. for all good valid reasons but it will make for a thicker bill. >> i have a problem having a welfare state and open borders. that to me is problematic. milton friedman you can't have

both and pay your bills. it's order dimension. yes, we haven't had a terrorist jump across the riogrande lately or since 9/11. it's the same sorted of checks and balances that go on. those guys got in into the country pretty damn easy. people can come into other parts of the world pretty damn easy. immigration reform will not affect just mexico but every country, anybody from any country that comes here. >> neil: dagen, when i talked to marco rubio about this, i'm a name dropper. [ laughter ] >> neil: thank you very much. anyway, when i did talk to marco rubio one of the things he raised, look, neil, we can address these provisions. first of all they were provisions for tighter border security but we can go ahead and have a stricter process to focus on the individuals who are

already here. i'm reminded we're not that in the losing losing legislation you put out. it does mn back going to the drawing board? >> it could mean that, but what the senators are a lot more palatable what is going on in the house because they want to address all of these things in one swoop so they don't get fight after fight with interest groups. what is going on in the house, they will try to deal with it piecemeal. first you move on agriculture worker vissasas and then security checks by employers. then they push border security down the road. that is where it will never get done. >> neil: i think this thing is dead. i don't think it should be, but in this environment, no one wants to be in the front of the

line saying, i got illegal immigration plan. i just don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. >> you know, neil, i found over my many years talking to you, that is my name dropping segment --. >> neil: true. >> it doesn't have to do with ideology. i'm sad to hear you say that. >> neil: so it would delay something. what is the rush, i don't want to look like i'm giving up on all these things that the panelists were talking about. >> i think you are right. the reason i'm sad to hear that, i don't pander -- politics is pandering. that is like a given. we're not rushing here. we've been trying do immigration reform since president george w. bush tried and failed because his party wouldn't support him on this county. >> it goes back to ronald reagan. reagan himself he was hoodwinked. he accepted a deal for which

border security was going to be a crucial part and never was. >> what we can say on this program because we're not politicians, there is no connec the boston bombing and immigration reform. these were two legal immigrants in the united states. that is horrible police and terrorism issue but nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that we are nation of immigrants. >> neil: but that is what i'm saying. maybe for perfectly valid reasons, a separate bill, separate matter, but they want to make it part of this bill and this matter to police those who are already here. good or bad idea? >> we have to police them somehow. the guys that should have been picked up, tsarnaev should have been picked up under existing law. they were kept off by the russians. c.i.a. tipped off the f.b.i., something went badly wrong. i don't think we need new laws.

>> if you are right. by the way, let's cut the f.b.i. some slack. it's very easy to second-guess that not everybody followed up on this or that. they have a lot of work to do. >> we always know about the things they miss. in hindsight, 20/20 but what is also coming to light, charles payne, this heightened security push is pushing almost everything on off the table. you can talk about illegal immigration. you can talk about getting the budget under control. this is front and center. obviously, multi-tasking. >> definitely multi-tasking. to your point it's consuming a lot of public relations energy and forward looking energy but we do have to do something with immigration. our population is aging. our birth rates are down.

we need to find a way to get smart people into this. >> that is good for the economy, but the new fox news poll is jobs and economy. >> you need to get smart people into this country, are you ruling out dumb country. >> two million jobs go begging and unfortunately we're not graduating the people that take it. >> the guest worker program there are visas. >> i believe it when i see it. >> neil: you know -- >> told me just that. he is from a border state. [ laughter ] >>. >> neil: do you think the president's healthcare law is not going to cost you? think again. don't take my word for it. listen to the doctor. it doesn't matter where a good idea comes from,

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>>. live from america's news headquarters, i'm rick folbaum. a new arrest in the string of poison letters including one sent to the president. police in mississippi arresting a martial arts instructor charging him with possession of ricin. everett dusky taken into custody overnight. it comes days after criminal charges were dropped against another mississippi man. >> faa says it's suspended all employee furloughs and system will be back in full strength by tomorrow night after congress voted to allow the transportation department to pay for the air traffic controllers. known as the sequester led to the furlough that has resulted in 3,000 delayed flights this past week. now back to cavuto on business and join me at 6:00 eastern on fox news headquarters. don't go away.

>> neil: going to have get the money from somewhere else to pay for all of this. where do you think that is going to come from? >> more taxes. there are so many hidden taxes in the affordable healthcare bill which is strange name. we all are going to be paying. initially, just the rich and then the semi rich and then the non-rich. >> neil: yeah, that is ben talking to me. [ laughter ] >> neil: his diagnosis looking spot on. especially with washington state looking to put thousands of state workers into these healthcare exchanges. right, dagen? >> if you think medicare looks bad. medicare is walk in a park what this could be in terms of complexity of it. in terms of the cost of it.

>> neil: i don't know two people that know, in other words, who can agree on revision even how doctors are going to get paid. >> look at senator max baucus, and kathleen sebelius says this is train wreck. >> neil: i admired him early on. do we have people to read this? >> when you start saying i had people to read this. >> hhs has missed dozens. >> there is lot what we don't know. what we do know draconian interpretations of what full time work, a lot of people are going to take 25% hair cut. we do know a lot of states -- we know it's going to happen in droves. a lot of changes so you won't have a choice. the interpreter there is platinum, silver and gold

program, that is a farce. >> ends october 1st for the state exchanges and good luck meeting that. >> we will get a single payer system. i think the market only, sounds like a helicopter pilot but i really do believe the idea was eventually to get to that and this is the way to make sure of that. >> what was scary about the debate around healthcare i believe -- in the area down in philadelphia. been able to tell you. the thing is a mess. they don't know how it will rolled out. particularly inster cities. that is scary part two. adam what do you think. >> i'm disappointed with my friends. it's the pessimism of my friends.

>> we are not your friends. >> neil: no, you know me. >> seriously, you know. if charlie, you had been at continental congress, we can't put these 13 colonies together and planning of that of world war ii, you would have said this is never going to work. >> come on. >> it's too complicated. >> then it's night and day and comparison is night and day. >> this is a train wreck to put it mildly, to put a train wreck into a junk yard. they are never going to be able to figure out. the idea that congress volunteered voetd a bill that they are unaware is almost unbelievable. just a second. they are making the insurance companies to take the sickest customers. it's will drive up health care costs. it will be nights mere and quvgs i feel sad for the doctors.

it is a nightmare. >> and are you surprised that you get that many more on the coverage and premiums don't go up. you want to get rid of the medical guys you are going to be pay paig more. bottom line it's going to cost more. >> i wanted to defend the continental congress. they did read the document in front of them. in any event, they read the documents in front of them. what was scary, they didn't read it in this. that is why it's unfolding. >> i want to make a prediction because you can see this comment with health and human services missing these rule making deadlines. there are millions of dollars set aside to help get workers on to these exchanges. the government is going to ask for more and more money because they can't implement it.

>> with all due respect, adam you may be right. >> ah! you agree with me. to get people into it. >> insurance companies are going to raise their premiums everybody will hate them. they will leave them. state workers will leave the present system and join the exchanges and private workers will follow especially those that have been dumped from the employer plan. then it will be uncle sam providing coverage. >> there is no doubt that a single payer system is what the many policymakers wanted and would have worked better than what we got. >> neil: where had this is going charles payne. >> common sense, everyone knows it's going to be a disaster if you were honest about it. if you listen to the dr. carson soundbite coming in. before we get to your master plan scenario, i think everyone

in this country is going to pay a lot more. >> neil: you already are. >> medical device thing will probably go away. everybody that was involved behind the scenes which was industry. >> neil: the medical device is real burden. you are not against the money from them. where are you going to get it? >> what has happened the best doctors don't accept insurance at all. you have to pay cash. the rich will get great healthcare and everybody will suffer at the hands of the government. >> neil: ben stein will be first in line. is big brother about to get bigger. surveillance video helping nab the boston bomber. now they are asking for more security cameras and rand paul is speaking out on cashin' in. and apple writing a hundred

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rand paul. i wonder what he told them he didn't tell me. shoppers still loving apple products but not much love for the stock. down 40% since it hit $700. that was seven months ago. that is $280 billion in market value. now, the company is trying to

buy the love back. adam, is it going to work? >> it will work in terms of stabilizing the stock price i should say. good news is they are borrowing money to pay money out in the united states that they can't repatriate because it's assaulting abroad. adam is exactly right. the money would have been stashed in the bank or used to dump plants in china. better to give it to stockholders. >> like a tourniquet off a wound. it stabilized things, not much more. >> about year ago. president was railing against america. spend that money. that is what we saw a wave of buy backs and dividend increases. if the president really wanted -- he didn't want him to spend it. he would have given it -- give him a break. let them bring back $400 billion. a hundred billion will go back into buy back but we would get a

stimulus program. >> neil: what about the last time it was granted. >> it did pretty good. whether the money under bush gave the exemption and next 12-24 who has months. >> whether did that happen? what year? >> neil: who cares. >> talking about all this cash on balance sheets, he was asked, why is it still there. he said basically we live in a post-9/11 world. i worry about terrorism. >> if you are a shareholder of apple this is how you wanted them to spend the money. you don't want them to make stupid acquisitions like when cis do co bought it. >> and because samsung is catching up to them. >> that is not how you catch up

to them. >> neil: anyway, i want to thank charlie and dagen. up next, selling stocks in may? no way. start making money now!

>>. >> neil: conventional wisdom says get out in may and started buying in the fall. charles, what do you got. >> standard pacific homes, home builders are hot. higher demand and higher prices. >> adam, what do you think. >> i love it but it's way up, charles. i would look at illinois tool works which is very inexpensive and pays generous dividend. >> great company, i'm not sure what he knows but it is a great company. >> neil: what are you doing? >> i like the exchange fund for taiwan. i think they are most amazing people in the world. they make things well and inexpensively.

>> i love it, too. rest of asia money, follow been. >> neil: guys, thank you very much. cost of freedom continues on the place for business. you are watching fox! big brother helping to bust the boston bombers. now new calls to put more security cameras all across america to help save us from another attack. is more surveillance going to jeopardize our rights or are they why the cost of freedom? >> are you okay with more surveillance videos. >> the more the better. it will save lives. >> i think it's better to be safe. >> whatever we have to do keep safe. >> i think it's better not to have them but i'm glad they got caught. >> what are lawmakers are going