starting in an unlikely if not weird location this week. a state known for low taxes and few regulations. not exactly the president's platform. why is he there tonight? hello, everyone. i'm dana perina and bob becle and greg gutfeld. it is 5:00 in new new york city. this is "the five." >> we are two days away from a major hearing on capitol hill on the administration's attack on benghazi. names of the three whistle-blowers scheduled to testify have been released. they are state department official eric in nordstrom, gregory hicks. he took a frantic call from stevens when terrorists stormed the consulate. he reported an attack from the get go to folks back at home and not a demonstration. friday we told you about the

weekly standard reporting on how the administration changed the talking points in the days after the attack and the sunday shows. it is not just republicans critical of obama's team for that. here is steven lynch on "fox news sunday." >> it was scrubbed. it was inaccurate. you are right. there is no excuse for that. there was false information. >> so maybe i will start with bob today. bob, you said -- you accused us of being obsessed with benghazi, but does it turn out there was more to the story than the liberals thought? >> it is more of the story from the beginning. it has been badly handled. it is clear the talking points were centered around a the cia. the state department changed it. by the time we got to the white house it had been altered some more. i haven't been critical of talking about benghazi. what i have been critical about is the lack of the new information and yet now we will have it with the people on capitol hill. i don't think the

administration will get out from under this thing. it is too widespread. >> it is an interesting thing about information. when president obama had his press conference a week ago today he was asked by fox's ed henry about the fact that these whistle-blowers wanted to testify and they were being blocked to do so. his answer was i don't know anything about that. within four days they had a completely different story line. now there will be a hearing on wednesday. >> amazing how the story lines change. i i will run through it very quickly. the next day president obama went to las vegas and did a campaign speech. that's important for a lot of reasons. think about this. hillary stands in front of casket at andrew's air force base and it is the video. now we know it wasn't the video. susan rice go on five talk shows and using scrubbed talking points. she says it is the video. jay carney says oh boy that was a long time ago. it was a longtime because they weren't talking about it.

they were saying we have nothing to say. we don't have anything going on. this is one thing and one thing only, a blatant cover up so that president obama can -- could at the time go to vegas and do his campaign speech and not look good and also say i was tough on terror and al-qaeda was on its heels. >> there is one other thing, kimberly which is the tam bettering -- tampering of the evidence. it wasn't the state department and the cia independently of the white house changed the talking points. in the e-mails and the actual black and white text you can read, the white house says the state department concerns must be addressed. if you are in a court of law do you look at that and say obviously something changed here and that change was directed from the top? >> i think that is direct evidence as we say that there was a co luges here and -- caw luges here and there there was an order and the end result was scrubbed. somebody cleaned it up in time

feater election. in time for the election. i was surprised they could contain this story for as long as they have been able to. my thoughts go to 2016 and the impact this is going to have on hillary clinton. i'm sure there are quite a few republicans that want to make sure the truth gets out. right now she is the one to beat. >> aside from the talking points , the changes, the big question that will be asked on wednesday, greg, is going to be about whether or not there was a stand down orders. i mentioned gregory hicks. let me read to you what he said. the lieutenant colonel gibson who is the south africa commander, his team was on their way to the vehicle to go to the airport and get on the c-130 when he got a phone call from south africa command that said you can't go now. you don't have authority to go now. they missed the flight. the question of whether or not the white house or anybody in washington at the state department knew that this was happening at the time and that there was help available, the question is did somebody say

to the help, you are not allowed to go? >> who knows? maybe they just figured they were self-radicalized. you know? i think it was obvious it was a political decision made by politicians. that's what they do. they had an election coming up and they buried this thing. i get the white house cover up. what i don't get is the media cover up. that to me is the real scandal. basically if you look at the reporting on benghazi pre election, the media are basically the college pals who are tossing obama's backpack. they just took a story and they threw it aside. it is based on a reflex that is shared by the government and the media. if you look at benghazi and you look at boston, the initial assumptions on boston were they were white tea partiers. it was felt by people in the government and felt by the media. if you look at benghazi it was blame it on the video. these reflexes are based on one initial assumption and that is

american guilt that we are always at fault. that american guilt drives anti-american sentiment. the reason why the media can't call obama out on this is because they agree with them. the media cannot mark on obama because that means they would be marking on themselves. that's where you are at right now. >> they are too close to him. it is like they are sleeping with him. it is awkward when you roll over at night and say, oops, sorry, i told the truth. >> good metaphor. >> the idea of a cover up here is so far out of dsh dash it is inconceivable to me that a cover up and ordering people to change their talking points and not expect anything to get out -- >> what else could it be? >> hold on. the other thing what we are saying or the inference is people were about to go in and help these people. somebody in the government ordered them not to go and help them. >> that's what the whistle-blowers are saying. >> we will find out. >> hold on. on september 16th when ambassador rice delivered those talking points that had been scrubbed what else is it

beside a cover up? if it went through the state department and the white house and it is approved and it is not a reference to pre coordinated terror and no reference to al-qaeda whatsoever what do you call that? >> that was mostly the cia scrubbing -- no, no, no. bob, have you read the e-mails? secretary of state victoria newland says at 6:52 on a friday night expurks know how that goes. you get ready for the sunday shows and you prepare on friday night. the talking points get to the state department and the state department says wait, the state department will look bad. we need these revised. they come back 45 minutes later and they are changed. they say they still have serious concerns. at 9:24 she says, my superiors are not happy. the white house says, the state department's concerns need to be taken into account. what other explanation is there? >> there is no other explanation except to say when the first talking points came out either clinton or somebody

directly under her looked at it and said this puts the state department in a bad light. therefore we need to change it. that was their mistake. >> why change the fact? >> the question is what fact are you talking about? >> al-qaeda and the fact that there is a coordinated attack. it wasn't a spontaneous reaction to a video which is what they went with. >> who posted the video, greg? >> it is the only question that needs to be answered is who pushed the video. >> nobody has the earns to the question. >> yes, they did. they had it initially. >> it is president obama. you can't say the media missed the boat because that implies an accident like they over slept. no, they chose to get on air force one rather than follow the real story. imagine if on boston instead of going after the bombers you went to lord and taylor and you confiscated the surveillance tape and arrested the security guard. that's exactly what they did with libya. >> let me mention something about that. the person who made the video,

he had a parole violation. there was a 10-member s.w.a.t team that swooped down on him and put him in jail where he still is for a parole violation. guess what happened today, kimberly? in another attack in boston you had the guy who did the cover up and threw out the evidence, the friend, the 18-year-old who gets out on $100,000 bail. where is the justice? >> there isn't, that's the problem. you are seeing nothing but injustice. there was collu sigh on here and they were directed to do this. i get why. greg says they are politicians. the american people deserve better than this. they cover up the facts and the evidence and they went on television directly and told a lie to the american people. there has to be accountability for that. >> as greg was saying do you believe purposely somebody in the government to cover up ordered people who could have saved these people from not getting off the ground? >> that is so far off. >> they had the opportunity,

and they didn't do it. >> they could have gotten on the f-16 and been there in three hours. can i say something? >> bob, we had personnel available. >> so what you are suggesting is that somebody in the government ordered people who could have saved these people's lives -- >> i am not suggesting. >> that's what the whistle-blower is saying. that's what mr. hicks is saying and will testify to. >> do you see the guys in the shadow? >> think about this for a second. on january 23rd hillary clinton raised her right hand to con and said what -- to congress and said what difference at this pot does it make? if you play poker it was a tell. there was so much anger. she wanted to move on. she wanted to get this in her rear view mirror and she was involved in scrubbing the talking point. the sooner it get in her past the better going forward. >> she was being badgered and badgered and badgered. what she was saying was, look, it doesn't matter how or what

or when, we have four dead people here. >> however, bob, i think that is actually the point. when she is saying what difference does it make because they want to move on and she is badgered, there was good reason for her to be badgered as the person who is the owner of the responsibility. and there were answers due to the american public especially because now you have this changing of the talking points and not only did susan rice go on sunday shows, but remember after all of this information comes into the white house, four days later the president and mrs. clinton, they tape that public service announcement for the pakistanis about the video when they knew at the beginning that the video wasn't the point. >> the talking points are something and it is too bad the way it was handled. i don't think it was that big a deal. >> whoa. >> do you believe somebody ordered rescuers not to go into that compound? >> i am looking at the guy's testimony. this is what the guy was

saying. it might be disputed by other people on the ground, but i am not the whistle-blower. i am reporting to you as i read in here what the whistle-blower said. >> this is not inconsistent with what we heard in the beginning. >> one of the whistle-blowers was the number one in charge. >> i understand that. we are not just talking a bystander who saw something going on. >> or a random disgruntled guy. >> he said they could have been saved, but we were ordered not to go. >> they were going to say they could have brought assets from tripoli. >> we don't know the outcome, but we know the availability as to what they are going to say. >> somebody should be arrested for accessory to murder then if that is the case. >> thank you. like what we have been saying all along. >> i cannot believe that hillary clinton would have anything to do with that. it is impossible. >> i actually have more of an agreement with bob over this than you. i do not think that an

administration would go out of their way to let people die because i don't believe a government -- even if you hate -- if you hate a president so much, like you hate obama, you have to think that he has a duty to protect americans. what i am saying is this is more about a cover up of incompetence. they had an initial uh assumption and reflex that is based upon a dislike for american exceptionalism. it is our fault. it is always our fault. that drove them. >> that's fine, but why -- hold on. why if this guy is telling the truth, why would anyone tell the people in tripoli that the f-16's or whatever we had there, why tell them to stand down? >> minimize casualties at this pot. >> if he is telling the truth, we will find out from the people who gave him the order. >> they will minimize casualties. they had advance notice ahead of time there was a problem there. >> somebody ordered this -- >> americans died and then they had assets available. could they have saved lives?

we don't know. >> the allegation is somebody ordered him to stand down and that means let's get somebody up there -- >> just read it. we are not telling you -- that's what he says. that's why there will be a hearing. >> coming up, deliberations underway in the jody arias murder trial. we will bring you developments as they happen. and bill ayres does not like compare stonns the boston bombing and the underground bombing. ♪

♪ whether underground terrorist was at kent state giving a keynote talk about what makes him different from the boston bombers. ayres tried to kill innocent americans with bombs years ago just like the jihadists of now. back then he believed in something. also ayers points out all his terrorist pal did was property damage. about that property damage. during the kent state talk ayers left out how he lost three of his pals. bombs they were making actually blew their heads off. yes, property damage. the bombs were intended for a dance at the fort dix army base. the right ones died that day. ayers wanted to kill innocent

people. the only difference is the boston guys were good as what ayers was bad at. ayers said it would be inappropriate to include that in the talk, meaning it would expose him for the scum bag that he is. when faced the immorality of one's action he championed relativism saying the united states is the most violent country that has ever been created. i guess he would know. and so his authorities struggled to find a place to put the corpse of the boston bomber. i have one question, why not in aye rz's living room as a con constant reminder of what could have been or maybe what should have been. >> that was biting. >> was that biting? >> i liked it. i have an answer to your question. >> please. >> what is the difference? ayers is an atheist so his was more politically motivated than anymore religious -- that's a more direct answer. >> was he self-radicalized? >> he might have been. that explains the earrings.

>> he was a lone wolf though. >> his defense, dana, is that -- the reason he is not like the boston bombers is because he was inept. what we did was property damage, which was a lie. >> how can you say that about somebody you were making bombs with? they were just property damage? >> his girlfriend died. it took off their heads in the street. >> it is amazing you can have somebody like the guys that helped the -- the friends that helped the boston bombers. 25 years from now they can be walking around teaching at universities and getting big speaking fees to say oh, well, you know, it was property damage. i don't understand. why do we put up with this? >> another interesting piece of this is bernadine dorne and bill ayers and the other that that was just let out. they go away and them come back and are embraced by the ago academia of the liberal upper esh lon, but ayers and

dorn went away for awhile. they went to hiding for awhile. they come back and pay a fine. they didn't do the rest of the time they were supposed to do. they pay a fine and are let free. >> and now given teaching professions. >> what i found egregious is when he compared this to john mccain and said john mccain was murdering people in vietnam. john mccain was a highly decorated air force pilot -- excuse me, a navy pilot? >> navy. >> a navy pilot. to suggest to equate that with what was going on here in the united states was just outrageous, barbaric and i think ayers owes mccain an apology. this is a guy who spent five years as a prisoner of war and being refused to be let out when offered because his father was the head of the navy pacific command. i just think that is a horrible choice of words. >> there is a difference

between a man and a terrorist. >> dumb question, why would kent state embrace ayers? number one, they had a film that they released on whatever the 40-year anniversary of the kent state tragedy. but then embrace a speaker like bill ayers. i understand activism, but there is -- >> terrible timing too as well. >> you were a very young child back then. you had to understand how outrageous the government and the military's response was. >> i am not saying anything -- >> there were four killed and a number injured. >> there is a difference between activism and blowing people to bits. >> property damage. >> that is a bad choice -- >> nobody wept -- went to jail as they should have. >> and there were also two armored grounds. >> and a cop killed by a nail bomb. there were a lot of people killed. >> property damage includes writing on the wall. graffiti.

lives were lost because of their actions, and he gets away with saying at kent state property damage. >> four dead students and nobody went to jail. >> it was terrible. it was bad. i am saying there is a difference between activism and -- >> eric is saying it be smir ofed kent -- besmirched kent state which they were having a symbolic anniversary and they had this scum bag there. it equates something horrible done by a horrible person. why invite a terrorist to that? >> where were the dirt bag guys who shot these four kids? >> that's not the question we are asking. we asked why was this loser invited to speak there? can i throw up one little thing from the l.a. times before i go? this is a quote from the l.a. times about the tamerlan's body and what should be done with it. officials in his family don't know what's his face who turned to conservative islam

will be buried. that's the new phrase, conservative islam. watch out for. it. >> put it in your iphones. >> that's how the media changes things. >> conservative islam. >> you are not allowed to say radical islam. >> you people are shame less. >> ahead on "the five." she stabbed her husband and then shot him and claimed it was in self-defense. will the jury buy it? they are deliberating and a decision could come at anytime about today's developments. ♪

♪ >> the trial is like a soap opera made for cable tv. the beautiful girl savaging

thrashing the throat of her lover and the details of sex, desire and jealousy are driving millions to the tv screen to see the bombshell verdict. deliberations are underway now. jody aris' life is on the line. could she get death, behind bars or walk free. seems like a slam dunking, but juries are fun like that. what are they talking about behind the jury door? >> what they will have for lunch. i spoke to every jury of every case i tried and other juries and you would be surprised what they talk about during the deliberations. on a serious note because of the charges they have to decide the guilt phase first. decide what will happen in the guilt phase and then the penalty phase to determine if they will give her life without possibility of parole or death. what you are dealing with there is a woman who got on the stand and spent a lot of time with that jury. it is going to be a little more difficult for them to give her the death penalty

because they will say she will not harm anyone else. we will put her behind bars. there are not that many women on death row. arizona for sure has them. if there is a state that could do it, it is that state. that state, florida. >> bob, weigh in on this. 18 days i believe she spent on the stand. good idea or bad? >> i think it was good for ratings i suppose, but here is the thing, the real issue that seems to me. was it premeditated or not? they argue she wept crazy because -- she went crazy because post traumatic stress and that stuff. the fact is she changed the color of her hair. she got another car and changed the license plates. she turned off her cell phone before she gets to arizona. she fills up tanks of gas so she doesn't have to fill up anything in arizona. if that is not premeditation on your way to do a crime i don't know what is. >> greg, there are some that say because she is attractive and she spent 18 days on the

stand and all they need is one jury to hold out. what do you think of that? >> maybe if there is a lonely juror who likes homicidal maniacs. here is why the law sucks, no offense, kimberly. the worst movie ever made in my mind was "12 angry men." it was about a jury that was trying to come to a decision. >> classic. >> it was two hours of henry fonda saying how do you know what the truth is? how do you know if they are telling the truth, blah, blah, blah. they trained the population to subvert truth, not through lying, but creating new realities. let's look at three cases. gosnell, that won't be about murder. that is about racism. you look at arias. that's not murder, that's domestic violence. the boston bombings. that's not terror, but that is about bullying and sibling oppression. basically deliberation is not about finding out the truth, but filtering and flushing out the bs that pretends to be truth in our modern society in which we use newing but the

truth to lay -- we use anything but the truth to find out what happened, responsibility, individual responsibility. >> one of my favorite movies of all time. >> worst ever made. the guy was guilty. >> they showed us in-law school. >> the process -- "12 angry men" celebrated the idea of value reel terrorism. that all you have to do is question the truth and you get away with it. terrible film. >> i think the jury will find her guilty. the real key issue is whether or not anybody will give her death. three women are on death row in arizona and ihe will join them. let's move to another high-profile case where they are deciding an alleged murderer's fate. dr. gosnell awaits a jury decision. kg, courtroom drama today involving fox news. >> sometimes defense attorneys and people have trouble with the truth, with the facts, with the evidence. >> what happened? >> we sat in the courtroom. we heard it and we reported on the facts of the case exactly what happened using grand jury

testimony, transcripts from the courtroom out of the mouths of the witnesses who were present at the time when these crimes were committed by dr. gosnell and his staff. >> the defense attorney said what? >> the defense attorney was very angry, upset with it and wanted to talk to the judge and question the jurors in particular to see if anyone had seen the fox news special and whether or not it would influence their decision. this is no surprise having tried high-profile cases defense attorneys do this when there is media coverage because they say maybe the jury was influenced. they try and get a mistrial and a juror excused so the case has to be retried. >> he certainly wouldn't have had to ask about seeing it on any other network. fox was the one that did most of the coverage, drove it, social media as well making sure that the media held to account and make sure they were there. you actually went. >> yes. >> i have to tell you, so on friday night i hadn't been home on a week night in a longtime. friday night i get there and the special comes on. i started watching it, and i

did have to walk away because it is so disturbing. i admired you so much for having sat through there in the courtroom and being the witness for all of us. and then so calmly, but with some compassion describing what was happening in the legal process. it was an amazing special. >> thank you. >> big, big media presence throughout the arias trial. and now the mainstream media is catching up to kimberly and her special and the other people covering it all along in the gosnell trial. why? >> dana had a right. fox was the one that drove this story. there is no excuse for something like this. this is the most blatant example of abortion as i have ever heard of and it should have been covered. yes, it is uncomfortable. yes, the pictures are gruesome. you don't have to report all that. you can report other facts and not show pictures. i don't buy that argument at all. >> you are coming around. greg? >> what is left to say? if there is any justice in this world gosnell would be

forced to spend the rest of his life covering the arias trial or watching the coverage of the arias trial and vice-versa. >> i love it. they are on the verge of taxing you yet again, but this time on your on-line shopping. the senate voting tonight on a bill that could add 25 billion tax dollars to your shopping spernses. experience. details when we come back.

♪ finally a shopping segment. attention on-line shoppers. if you like to buy things over the internet, oh ya you do it is will be to get more expensive if the senate gets

its way. in a few minutes the senate will vote on the quote market fairness act allowing stores to collect taxes for on-line purchases. currently they can only make -- make companies selling on-line to you. if they are physically located in the state, the bill is expected to pass the senate. it is the opposition in the house. >> so everybody likes this topic today. we are all shoppers, big shoppers here, right? >> i just want to po nie t out don't worry it doesn't apply to services. >> we are getting off on the wrong foot. >> i am not sure. >> i am not sure. i think they are opening the doors and taking any purchases whether it is goods and/or services. and it is a lot of money. the states will get it. here is the problem, there are 10,000 different tax jurisdictions in america. and i think somewhere around

500 or suks00 indian reservatios >> 5 or 600 indian reservations. it is a lot of money. when you tax something you drive that somewhere else just like when california over tax people go to states with lower tax or no tax. you will drive businesses. >> once again it is a test meant. >> why in the world can you be against this? people who have stores that sell similar products in a state had to pay sales taxes or collect sales taxes and yet you can drop in on the internet and offer the same thing for a lower price and gut the stores with brick and mortar in the state. it should have been taxed from the beginning. >> can i respond to bob's response? that is the most common thing. it goes back to that universal belief that you always walk better if your neighbor has a limp. it is not about taxes helping. it is the fact that it hurts them. if i have to pay a tax, so do they. i don't care if it doesn't

help my brick and mortar store. it hurts them. and i remind you what a tax is. a tax is meant to tax you. it is meant to -- it exists purely to harm success and take something away. >> i think about a friend of mine who has a small business. they only sell on-line. the big stores like an amazon or others that might want this bill, thisy say to the concerns about all of the 10,000 texters, well there is software to deal with that. the razor thin margins that the small on-line retailers are making compared to a big profit making enterprise, that's what is actually tugging at the heart strings of members of congress. it is likely to pass the senate, but it will be a razor thin margin. when it goes to the house, this will be one of the bills that, bob, if you and i were back in the business, it is going to be one of the huge ones. if you are a lobbyist or in pr there is a huge campaign on this that will actually end up in the house. i don't think it will pass.

>> look, we've got -- i know you have a shoe story in the state. they are under cut by somebody else to sell the shoes without taxes. it hurts the people who are making them. >> it is the liberal belief that you owe the government something. >> it is fairness. >> fairness is punitive. let's not forget anytime somebody says fairness it is because they want to punish you. you only frequent small businesses. >> all i have to say is whatever you do, do not go away with the who will free shipping thing. i live for it. i love it, i love it, i love it. a teenage goalie lungs at a soccer referee after the ref called a foul. the ref just died after sliping into a coma. what should happen to the young player? we will talk about the charges and implications.

happening. parents send their kid to play a soccer game and they come back and he is a felon. violence in sports is happening and parents are violent in the stand right now. it is a game. i will be a coach here for a second and say talk to your kids. tell them it can't happen. there are consequences that unexpected -- unintended consequences when you bring anger and violence to a sports field. everyone needs to take a chill pill and relax and -- >> and to respect. respect the referees' decision or umpire's decision. you may see some brawls in baseball or hockey once in awhile, but one of the great things about children playing

sports is that you learn some of the rules of basic society and civil society that sometimes there is a bad call. maybe you are not happy with it, but you have to move on. that's the kind of teaching that is a good thing about sports, but seems to be lacking. the parents seem to be the ones at fault. >> kim? >> he is 17 years old and the charges are aggravated assault and they will be upgraded. the d.a. says because of his age there will be a fitness hearing and he will be tried as an adult. it is a second-degree felony and he is looking at between one and 15 years. this is very irresponsible. he punched him in the side of the temple of the head which can be dangerous. it can produce death. i learned when i was little be careful on the side of your head. you could die jie. greg,this ki? >> i don't know. but he should be punished dpor what he -- for what he did. >> he has a temper. >> the reason the story is so horrible is it is rare. i don't buy into this being an epidemic.

i think if you saw more of this it wouldn't be as horrifying as this is. this can happen. a fist is every bit as powerful as any other weapon. >> a lot of it result in death. as far as i'm concerned you should give him the maximum sentence. one more thing is up next. ♪

>> it is time for one more thing. i hope you have something. >> i do, but i will go to a doctor later. >> bad phrase. >> red line, you know when president obama said the use of gas is a red line? he was talking about if the syrians were going to start fracking.

>> we can't use red line anymore. >> can't use red line anymore. >> you are excusing him like everybody else. >> i have given up jie. i can't believe it. >> eric? >> over the weekend i saw heart wrenching words from the widow of the sniper chris kyle. listen. >> i challenge anyone to tell me that there isn't evil in this world. from the days of cane -- kane and able there will always be evil. that evil shouldn't take away our freedom. in fact, the only way to defeat evil is by taking advantage of our freedom. >> and i would only go to assume that she is talking about the second amendment. there is a picture of chris kyle. >> bob? >> okay, this weekend i attended a wedding for two of our own.

john finley who was one of the initial people to launch the show and chase hanes who was one of the associate producers. it was a wonderful wedding. they are a great couple. it probably was the most expensive wedding i have ever been to. and on top of that it rained the whole time and still worked out well. congratulations to both of them. i wish them both a world of success. >> did you meet anybody, bob? >> i met a lot of people who knew "the five." >> but did you meet anybody? >> oh anybody like that? there was a waitress. >> please. >> congratulations. >> congratulations. >> we sent bob as our representative. i don't know if that was the right thing to do. >> we hope he behaved well. >> i think he probably did. have i a public service announcement. you will love this. because it is getting warmer there is something that is very important and somebody on twitter that follows me sent this to me from homeward bound rescue league. it is a great reminder about how hot it is in the car. when you leave your pet in a car it is like for them if you

end up at 75 degrees and it feels like 100 degrees to them. they can die very easily in this situation. so, just remember as the weather gets warmer, crack a window or don't leave the dog in the car. >> greg: what if your pet is a cactus? >> dana: well, that works well in the desert. >> eric: can we point something out? illegal to leave your pet in the car. >> dana: north carolina there is legislation working its way through that would allow a police officer to break into your car to save your dog. so don't let that happen. >> bob: okay, good. >> dana: kimberly has something riveting. >> kimberly: riddle me this. 12,500 to 1. not bob beckel and i going out on a date. it's hitting a hole in one. that's what happened with saxby chambliss golfing with the president with corker today at the air force base, andrews air force base south course. 155 yards. can you call him senator

boom boom now. that's pretty cool. >> what are the odds of you dating bob? >> kimberly: might be higher than 12,500. >> dana: wanted to make sure. thanks for watching. see you tomorrow. bye. >> bret: getting to the bottom of benghazi. one witness prepares to point the finger of blame at hillary clinton. this is "special report." >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. although still a day and a half away, wednesday's congressional hearing on the benghazi terror attack is shaping up as a direct assault on the obama administration's handling of the crisis and could reverberate into the next presidential campaign. much of the verbal are a tier larry will be directed at former secretary of state and perspective presidential candidate hillary clinton. chief washington correspondent james rosen tells us what we know right now. >> i