one point $5 billion. that's all the time we have left this evening. thank you for voting and thank you for being with us. greta is mechanics to go on the record. her interview with jodi arias straight ahead. >> this is a fox news alert. and you are just about to hear from convicted killer jodi arias. today an arizona jury finding arias guilty of first-degree murder, and tonight arias is in a fight for her own life. she could now face execution. you will hear from arias right here in seconds, but first the verdict. >> we, the jury, duly empanelled and sworn in the above entitled action upon our oath do find the defendant as to count 1, first-degree murder, guilty. >> so what is jodi arias's reaction to the guilty verdict? anchor troy hayden asked her and

he joins us. first of all, how did you get the interview? >> i worked her pretty hard over the last four months. i met her in mid-january and we talked at length in that point. kind of made a connection. she said if i did certain things her way and at any time show her on video that night, and she said if you don't do that when the verdict comes in you can get the interview. i don't know if i would believe her or not but she came through. >> what about her lawyers? did they try to run interference? >> no. down just 20 minutes after the verdict, we were down in some holding cells below the courthouse. it was kind of eerie because there was a lot of people. it was very, very quiet. jodi walked out, i shook her hand were i could tell she was upset and she had been weeping and i said are you sure you are ready to do this? she said yes and we did it. >> what did you think of it while you were there? any thoughts? the woman had just been convicted of first-degree murder, now going into a penalty

phase, maybe an execution? >> whole thing makes me sad. travis alexander's life is gone, his family's lives are turned upside down. i think she's ill. i think she can be very pleasant as she was when i spoke with her today but obviously she has the ability to kill somebody in a horrible, horrible way. >> let's listen to part of your interview. here is troy speaking with jodi arias. >> a couple minutes ago you heard the verdict from the jury. what are your thoughts? >> i think i just went blank. just -- i don't know. i just feel overwhelmed. i think i just need to take it a day at a time. >> was it expected, do you think?

>> it was unexpected for me because there was no premeditation on my part. i can see how things look that way. but i didn't expect the premeditation. i can see maybe the felony murder because of how the law is written but the whole time i was fairly confident i wouldn't get premeditation because there was no premeditation. >> it seemed, and you have a lot of questions from the jury, did it seem that some of the jurors didn't believe what you were telling them, didn't believe your sorry? >> ah-ha. >> what are your thoughts on that? >> i can understand that, i think, because of the lies i told in the beginning to try to cover up this, cover-up that and hide things that i didn't want to be no one, made public. >> are you focusing on the core or are you focusing on what could be the worst outcome for you? >> the worst outcome for me would be natural life. i would rather die sooner rather than later. longevity runs in my family and i don't want to spend the rest of my life in one place.

i'm pretty healthy and i don't smoke and i probably would live a long time so that's not something i'm looking forward to. i said years ago i would rather get death than life and that is still true today. i believe death is the ultimate freedom so i would rather have any freedom as soon as i can get it. >> you are saying i actually prefer getting the death penalty than being in prison for life? >> yes. >> alexander's family, especially the two sisters and the younger brother, if you could say something to them what would you like to say to them? >> i hope that now that a verdict has been rendered that they are able to find peace, some sense of peace. i don't think they will ever find the peace that they would like, but maybe they -- maybe they will be able to have greater peace now or some semblance of it and be able to move on with their lives and remember their brother the way they wanted to. >> now we are going to have much

more of that interview ahead but first jodi arias said she would prefer a death sentence to life in prison. will she get her wish? joining us, our legal panel in san francisco, jim hammer and bernie grim and ted williams and troy is still with us in phoenix. the panel can ask troy questions. but let me go first to jim. jim, she says she would prefer death to natural life. just a ploy or do you think this is speaking from the heart? >> i think she's speaking from the heart. frankly, i think she gave one of the best arguments against the death penalty. i think, having seen people, if you go to life row in san quentin or other places around the country, they live the rest of their natural lives in a small cell, 8 by 10 feet, they get a little time outside and die old peterson. scott peterson will never have fans again, never have people visit them. i think it's the worst punishment possible. i hope the jury makes her think

about what she's done. was trying tot saw it. outsmart the jury, give me death and they would give her life. but if you have to spend time in the maximum security prisons visiting your clients, you go cuckoo. she'll be in maximum security, it will drive her crazy. she'll think about it the rest of her life and it will tear her apart. >> prison is a terrible place. but, you know, travis alexander, you know, suffered a pretty ugly death. >> it should be terrible. >> he didn't ask for it: it was a death that seemed to be pretty planned out. she got a gun, drove to where he was. ted, your thoughts? >> you know, i, like the panel here, i'm somewhat conflicted. jodi has lied so much, even in this interview here. the question is does she want death, does she actually want life? i think that she is lying. i think that she really wants to

live and she's using this as a ploy. >> weather someone is for the death penalty or not for the death penalty, and secondly whether she fits the statutory requirement and whether she'll get it or not. troy, i still don't get the fact for the life of me, i would have loved to have had this interview, i confess that. but if she were my client, i would have tackled her and there was no way she would have talked to you. where were her lawyers? did they say anything? >> no. like i said, i didn't want to talk to them, to be honest with you. >> i don't blame you. >> i didn't know if she knew about it. jodi is an adult. if jodi says she wants to do it, she'll will do it. i'm not going to run to her lawyers and say are you sure you want to do it. she's on suicide watch right now at the jail so nobody else can talk to her but they are genuinely concerned she may try to kill herself. someone is worried if she gets life she may try to kill her self. >> yes, jim. >> i want to ask troy a

question. have you had an encounter with alexander's family and do you know if they want the death penalty or not? if i were the prosecutor my questions question would be to the family, what dewpoint? i think that should be the biggest factor in this case. >> by far most of them do want the death penalty. i haven't had long talks with the three main people, the two sisters and the younger brother, but the extended family, as they were leaving the courtroom today nearly all of them said they wanted death. >> troy, can i ask you a question? i notice that jodi arias' family was also in the courtroom. what was their reaction to this verdict? >> you know, i was watching jodi, first of all, and then i turned to her mother, sandra, when the verdict was read. sandra had the same look she has had all the way through. and jodi turned around and looked at her mom like, mom, help me or whatever and her grand mother was there and her grand mother was stoically

shaking her head. none of them spoke but the same look on her mom's face. >> we have more of troy's interview with jodi arias. >> you had -- you kind of went out on twitter a little bit. what are your thoughts? >> well, prior to trial i respected juan as a very capable attorney, even though he did some very shady things in my case as far as hiding evidence and failing to disclose certain things, hoping it would just go away. but in the end what did it matter? it didn't help my case. >> so if you had to do this all over again, you are in the desert, he noticed you have blood on your hands, how do you handle it? >> i would turn around and drive to the mesa police department. >> what do you think would have happened to you then? >> i don't know, but it would

have been the right thing. >> do you have a sense of where the public feeling is about you, whether you are liked or not liked? >> i get the sense that there is great division on both sides, but i believe the majority is against me. >> what are your thoughts on that? >> a psychologist once explained to me that society has this need to persecute people, they get some sort of gratification from it so there might be something going on there. >> do you have any knowledge of, you know, the interest in your case? do you have an idea how many people are interested? >> i hear things, but i have no access to the news, the internet, that sort of thing, no direct access. >> what kind of things do you hear? >> i do get the newspaper so that's been one way i've learned

things. a lot of inmates have come into the jail cell and they tell me. they want to come up and shake my hand, they want to give me a hug, they want my autograph. i'm not going to sign anything. >> let's go forward. say you do get a long sentence, how are you going to spend your life? >> i haven't decided yet. >> we are back with our panel. bernie, does that -- i mean, think of this crime. whoever -- i mean, she committed this crime in which there are 27 stab wounds, slit the throat of her boyfriend ear to ear, shot him in the head with a gun, and then you have this -- can you acknowledge this one doing that? is this the best act -- is this a great actress or a sympathetic character? >> i don't know, ted is the best actor and we are on every night. [laughter] >> but the woman is so remorseful -- >> do you think she's really remorseful? >> right there -- >> no. >> it appears so. but why do we think it's not

remorseful? because she took the stand and lied nonstop over 17 days of cross-examination. that's why. if she stayed off the stand, she could have got on the stand and say i'm guilty, save my life. >> she does not seem remorseful. often someone is dead and i feel terrible a young person has ruined her life like she has but she hasn't shown me remorse. jim. >> well, i say do whatever is worse for her. what i saw when i listened to her and, bernie, i admire your humanity and your skill as a defense attorney and offer great man. what i see here is cunning woman. she fires off at her lawyer and you see the anger her when you listen to her. he hid evidence, did unethical thing but it didn't do any good.

what i see is a cunning person that would go out and kill again if she had the chance. i get a chill. >> thinking about it from the onset. this is a woman who said that no jury will convict me. >> she got that one wrong. >> she got that one wrong -- >> she's angry. >> now she's trying to find a way to manipulate the penalty phase. the big question to me is whether she's going to take the stand. i believe in light of the fact that she took the stand in the actual case in chief, that she will take the stand in the penalty phase. >> but the problem is, i guess she could keep her consistent story at the death penalty stage. all of a sudden you take the stand in the penalty phase and say i did it but i'm sorry. >> she has to understand the penalty phase the jury will look at her and she will say now that plan a went down the tubes, let's try plan b. and what's she going to say, it wasn't self-defense, i premeditated it. all the time you asked me

thousands of question was an utter waste of everyone's time. >> and that's the problem with the case. in the actual case itself you technically have already done the penalty phase. she's been on the stand and the psychiatrist has been on the stand. but this is going to happen, when they put on travis' family, that's going to be maybe the difference. >> troy, what were the lawyers like after the lawyers, the defense lawyers? >> they didn't say a word at all. but jodi was not happy with them. one thing i'll talk about that you were talking about a second ago, i kept waiting for jodi to say, oh, my god, i'm so sorry for what i did. i can't believe i did that. >> exactly. >> i feel so terrible. i gave her several opportunities to do that, and she never did. >> maybe she's not. i mean, other than the possibility she finds herself in this fix. i mean really, there are some people -- >> she's sorry she got caught, she's sorry she got convicted, not that she did what she did. >> i think there is something mentally wrong with her.

i really believe that. >> i agree. i agree. i think there are two jodis, as i mentioned earlier. she has stuck by her story. i asked her about the gas cans, i asked about the gun. she said there are pictures of her and her sister out in the wilderness on the day there was a break at her grandparents house the gun was stolen. she said there was evidence of bruising that her attorneys never brought in. she talked more about that than being sorry. >> one of the things she was charged with was felony murder. typically it means a murder happened in the course after particular felony. what was the underlying felony that was charged here that would be a felony murder? >> yeah, it's pretty weird actually. what martinez said was it was her stealing travis' gun which he first denied ever existed. remember during the killing she said she went up into his closet, grabbed his gun and pointed it at him and martinez

said that was the felony, the stealing of the gun in his closing argument. >> i think the jurors bought that, is an indication to me -- >> then stealing a gun, and the foreseeable consequences of that, that's not a felony. >> i'm disagreeing with you all. i believe that she has a good possibility of avoiding the death penalty with this jury in light of the fact that all jurors came back with premeditation. but several of these jurors found -- >> i mean, that's -- >> several of them found premeditation and a felony so there's some split. >> no, no, they all -- they all said premeditation. >> yeah, but there's some split and disagreement with that jury. she's got a shot. >> greta -- >> if that's the best she's got going for her, she's in trouble. >> some people like greta go that's kind of a wacky charge but she premeditated the jury.

what ticks people off is not the felony murder, it's the premeditation, she stalked him and lied about it. she looked the jury in the eye, the one person who gave her sympathy and she lied repeatedly to their faces and they know it. all they have to hear is to hear alexander's family say what do you want us to do with this woman. >> and i would love to talk to the defense lawyers if she insisted she was the abused woman. for the life of me, i don't see why they didn't bring the pictures and say she had the incredible rage. she was apparently willing to plead to murder in the second degree and that seems like such better strategy so she wouldn't be tonight wondering whether or not she's going to be executed. >> that would have been more convincing to a jury, i believe. >> and greta knows, after your client is found guilty, you get to the cellblock because all the oxygen has been sucked out of them. but maybe if they were with

their client troy could have run into them and asked them that question. >> why weren't they in the cellblock? when your client gets convicted, the thing you usually do is you try to tell them it's not as bad as it is. i mean it's horrible but you are the only bond they have at that point in time. why weren't they in the cellblock with her? did they really hate her nine out of the ten days? >> she believes that. she said nine out of ten days is right, they didn't get along well, she wasn't happy with her defense. why weren't they with her? i don't know, maybe they weren't that great of attorneys. >> that begins to sort of set the stage, though. if she had such a bad relationship with them, eye effective assistance of counsel. >> no, no, she's not washing on that, greta. >> i'm not say walking, of course not, but she can try it. her next lawyer will try everything. this is now a death penalty case. you try everything, right? bernie is shaking his head.

>> she's already taken the stand and what is she going to do get on the stand and tell the jurors, listen, it was still self-defense. give me another shot here. >> one of the things she said in the interview, juan martinez withheld evidence and if some lawyer can show that on appeal it may be something. >> ted, ted, this is a convicted killer. you are going to listen to her talk about the incompetence of her own lawyer? this is what cold-blooded killers do. >> i know, but -- >> they lie about it. they lie about it again and then they blame somebody else. >> said the same thing with scott peterson and we will be back there after the appeal. >> that's the better case for scott peterson, unfortunately. sorry, greta. >> thanks for the interview. that was fascinating. and panel, if you will stay with us. we want to now hear from you. what do you think of troy's interview with jodi arias? go to gretawire.com and tell us. what do you think of jodi arias after watching that?

>> gentlemen, thanks. jodi arias, guilty of first-degree murder. the next question, will she be sentenced to death and executed? reaction from jodi's ex-boyfriend is next. also coming up, an interview you only see here after an explosive hearing in the benghazi terror attack. we will speak with darrell issa. plus there's news in the cleveland kidnapping case and rape case. we will find out more about what went on inside that house of morors and the prime suspect got his own news today. we will tell you what that is. that's the latest coming up. you hurt my feelings, todd.

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>> i'm innocent and you can mark my words on that one. no jury will convict me. >> jodi arias said she was surprised she was convicted of premedicated murder. here's jodi right after learning her fate. >> a couple minutes ago you heard the verdict from the jury. what are your thoughts? >> i think i just went blank. just -- i don't know. i just feel overwhelmed. i think i just need to take it a day at a time.

i said years ago that i would rather get death than life, and that still is true today. i believe death is the ultimate freedom, so i would rather just have my freedom as soon as i can get it. >> so you are saying you actually prefer getting the death penalty to being in prison for life? >> yes. >> is anyone else surprised by the verdict? ryan byrnes is one of jeddy's ex-boyfriend's. he joins us. are you surprised by the verdict? >> not unexpected. >> when were you boyfriend and girlfriend? >> i met her at a convention in twit. i thought she was a good-looking girl, i got her number, and we talked over the phone for about a month so we were never boyfriend and girlfriend but i was definitely interested in her and for that month we were talking, that's when she planned to come out to see me, and that was may, 2008. and we all know that travis died the beginning of june so that's

why they had me of it on the stand because there was a lot happening with the communications between me and jodi during that time. >> in march of '09 there's a letter that jodi wrote to you and she -- it's quite a lengthy letter. >> right. >> she said things in it to you that your life was never in danger, that she's not a serial killer, that basically -- why did she write that to you, do you think? >> yeah, i mean i think the reason -- she doesn't like people thinking bad of her, which is obviously part of the lies. nobody does. but this thing was so extreme. that was the reason why she was writing some of those things in the letter. and because a lot of my testimony that was said on the stand that she was directly crossed on was from a lot of our communications so when they asked her questions about the license plate being turned upside down, that was information that i offered to the state. i called them up and i gave that information to them and that's, you know, in the letter she

talked about me being the horror of the state because i was so willing to offer up information and of it to the state about the license plate being upside-down and many things like travis' phone and she had to read into it and find out she didn't think he was being as faithful. all that came from the communication she had with me because that's what she admitted to me why they broke up and why she lost trust which is why she had to be straight with her answers on a lot of those questions. >> when you see her in the courtroom or see her on this tape, openious obviously she's been charged with murder and convicted, is that a different jodi arias than what you met or is that pretty much jodi arias? >> you know, the jodi that just was on fox doing the interview after she was convict the, it's a strange feeling for me because i think the right conviction came out. i think she got what she deserved. i mean there's no justice in all of this. travis is still dead. but, yeah, that moment when she is, you know, talking about how

she feels and she didn't expect it to be premeditation, i think she -- she coined of noise there was premeditation, there's so many things. you look at the text message between travis and jodi on the 26th when travis said i don't want you to be sorry, i want you to know how evil i think you are. and even offering that he's willing to tell people what she's done. nobody really knows what travis means when he's saying that but people in the inner circle think travis new something pretty deep about jodi. two weeks later she stole the gun. and two days after she stole the gun and on the 30th she had an hour and a half at the message with me on google and chat saying she wanted to come see me. she died her hair, bought the gas can. she got the car, change it had from the color from red because she didn't want the police in know and got out there. there's so much premeditation in there i think she's constant by manipulating. >> why do you think she did this

murder? >> i think the biggest reason was is because that relationship was such a toxic in and out relationship. i this i travis genuinely wanted to get rid of her. what he show, they show four arguments between them. he said things you should never say to a woman, no doubt. but the four conversations, i think they came because he loathed himself when he gave inner to her sexual aggression and she got back into her life and he wanted to get rid of her and every time he let her in he loathed her. she wasn't going to let him go because of the type of person he was and the friends he had and the life he had, she wasn't going to let that go, and i think that cycle obviously on that night that was the end of it. >> ryan, thank you, sir. >> no problem, greta. >> coming up, an interview you will only see here. house oversight committee chair darrell issa.

he chaired the benghazi hearings today. we were there in the hearing room. did chairman issa get the answers he was looking for from the benghazi whistleblowers. congressman issa is here next. also new developments in the ohio kidnapping investigation. plus you will hear from their families coming up.

>> september 11, 2012. u.s. ambassador chris stevens in benghazi placed an ominous call to greg hicks, who was the number two diplomat in libya. greg, we are under attack, is what the ambassador said. hicks was the last person to speak to the soon-to-be murdered ambassador. and he told congress what happened no benghazi. was there, and is there still a coverup? here are parts of today's house hearing. >> the response team from the annex in benghazi, six individuals drove the attackers out of our compound and secured

it temporarily. there have been estimates as high as 60 attackers were in the compound at one particular time. at about 3:00 a.m. i received a call from the prime minister of libya. i think it's the saddest phone call i've ever had in my life. he told me that ambassador stevens had passed away. >> so fast forward, mr. hicks, to the sunday talk shows and susan rice. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped. i was embarrassed. >> how did the personnel react to being told to stand down? >> they were furious. i can only say, well, i will quote ltd. col. gibson. he said it's the fergus time in

my career that a diplomat has more balls than somebody in the military. >> when ambassador stevens talked to you, perhaps minutes before he died, as a dying declaration, what precisely did he say to you? >> he said, greg, we're under attack. >> so the military is told to stand down, not engage in a fight. these are the kind of people willing to engage. where did that message come down? where did the stand down order come from? >> i believe it came from either africom or south africa. >> afterwards we spoke with committee chair darrell issa. nice to see you, sir. >> thanks for covering today's hearing. >> you have gone through all the documents, you have talked to people weeks leading up to this. i'm curious, did you learn anything knew today? >> i think the american people learned today from these brave witnesses, these whistleblowers,

that the facts as we were told before, during and after the attack at benghazi simply aren't what they really were. after ambassador stevens was murdered, what they did told us in great detail about what happened that day and what happened in the days to follow and why we should know that he knew and everyone else in the mission new from the moment it happened, from the getgo, as he said, that this was a terrorist attack. >> rankling member cummins, he came out of the gate and said you were politicizing this. >> things in washington start off political. but when you have whistleblowers come forward and they aren't republicans or democrats at all, the fact is these are career professionals, state department people with as many as 32 years of public service. they are who we heard from today. i think people on both sides of the isle may have asked questions based on their view, but the answers are the answers the american people should

listen to. >> acting ambassador hicks said when congressman chaffetz went to libya, that apparently, at least he testified to that he was instructed, mr. hicks, not to have any personal time or personal interview with congressman chaffetz. >> the fact they didn't want anything, if you will, off-the-record or anything that might be said that they wouldn't know, shows a level of concern. they shouldn't have. congressman chaffetz was sent by me personally in preparation for the october 10th hearing, along with career people on the committee, staff members, just to get the facts as best they could. he did get some of those facts. but in many cases what he had was a minder, a lawyer from the state department and a four-star general. >> don't want to and those minders, bring them in and ask to what extent it's choreographed. >> greta, you have a lot of experience in law, and i only do this on committee, but you can be sent down erroneous paths look for wrongdoing,

conspiracies that probably happened. those lawyers were probably sent by somebody to keep us from get to go somebody. but candidly, as quickly as possible, we simply want to have the whistleblowers that are still out there, in fact witnesses that are still out there to come forward, tell us their story. we will get it out and we will close up this investigation. i don't want to be chasing down every rabbit hole over how the administration was paranoid about us finding out. i'm only concerned about how do we keep this from happening in the future? and congressman cummings repeatedly said the exact same things. we need to find these facts so we can make sure it doesn't happen again. >> what prompted mr. hicks to come forward and now? this happened back in september and i think he came forward probably about late march is when he first wanted to talk. >> i think he tried to work within the system. the call that he had, multiple calls that he had where he said i don't know how you are getting this idea that this was a demonstration. i knew better, you should know

better, and then be rebuffed by senior state department personnel. and a series of activities, including essentially his being called on the carpet and pulled and put into a lower position. i think those kinds of reprisals that came from his coming forward to say you guys don't have it right, and he did that in the system before he ever came to congress, i think that's what probably convinced him that he had no salvation within state, that he would have to fight for what was true with congress. >> mr. chairman, thank you, sir. >> thank you, greta. >> coming up, new information in the kidnapping of three women. the latest from cleveland police and prosecutors, plus the women's emotional home comings next. [ all ] fort benning, georgia in 1999. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection and because usaa's commitment to serve military members,

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crowds were cheering and they were whisked into their families' homes. and also charges against ariel castro. >> i just signed criminal complaints charging ariel castro with four counsel of kidnapping and three counts of rape. the seven criminal complaints are first degree felonies. the defendant will be arraigned tomorrow morning in cleveland municipal court, and his case will be transferred over to the county court. the county prosecutor's office will then proceed with the prosecution of these criminal cases. this case will proceed to the county grand grand grand jury, e i expect will result in indictments on these charges and may result in additional counts. as relates to o'nil and pedro castro, no charges will be filed

at this time. there's no evidence that these two individuals had any involvement in the commission of the crimes committed against michelle, gina, amanda, and the minor child. however, both of them do have outstanding cleveland municipal court warrants for misdemeanor cases. misdemeanor cases for pedro and o'nil will be heard tomorrow morning in cleveland municipal court. >> there is nothing that leads us to believe that they were involved or they had any knowledge of this. and that comes from statements of our victims and their statements and their brothers' statements. so as far as what their relationship was, ariel kept everybody at a distance. >> the only opportunity, after interviewing the young ladies, to escape, was the other day when amanda escaped. so they were in that home. i don't believe -- they don't

believe they have been outside of the home for the last ten years respectively. >> were they kept together in one room? >> they were not in one room, but they did know each other, and they did know each other was there. >> and one more question. what's the relationship, the child's relationship with the father? what will that be? >> that is amanda's daughter. and as far as the relationship, that hasn't been determined. there is going to be a paternity test taken. there was a search warrant executed on the suspect to obtain his dna. >> straight ahead, the man accused of making his house an ugly and vicious prison for three young women, could face prison himself. [ chirp ] all good? [ chirp ] getty up. seriously, this is really happening!

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>> a cleveland man is accused of holding three women captive for three long years. now ariel castro is facing a long list of charges, including rape and kidnapping. joining us again is bernie. bernie, this is perplexing to me. he kid naps one of the women and holds her more ten years, that's one kidnapping charge. if i kidnap someone it for three years, it's the same charge. he holds him ten years and it's equal to holding them three days. there is something wrong. >> hold them for five minutes and it's kidnapping. i think the state will load as many charges on the guy as they can. but in tierry from what i remember from criminal law, that's one kidnapping charge. but if you only had to give somebody the death penalty once, would it be this guy or jodi arias? >> this guy is the biggest devil i've seen since the man that kidnapped dugard in california.

she was held and forced to have sex and had a baby. and the plea bargain in this case, do you want to force she's young women to take the stand? in the dugard case there was a plea bargain. >> maybe they want to take the stand. >> you are right. >> we have ropes and chains being pulled out. and apparent lib the women were kept separate. i don't know how they passed the time of day. >> what a creep. not only the rope and chains, but one of these women was pregnant, according to the newspaper, at least five different times. he tried to stop one of them. and this is the key there. he tried to kick one of them in the stomach and she was alleged to have miss carried. i wonder if there are other victims out there? i'm hoping that they can find other victims out there? >> why? i hope there are no other victims out there. >> let me put it this way. if he actually murdered somebody, we don't know that,

boy, i would love to see this ratcheted up so he could be where jodi arias may very well be. >> i just can't go to the fact if you kidnap someone from five minutes it's the same as kidnapping someone for ten years. >> it's a continuous act. and what is really troubling about this, and jim raised it, these women, happened down, the chief of police said we didn't even debrief them. family and friends said let us have our time to heal. >> gentlemen, i have to cut you off because we have to go. coming up, jodi arias talking for the first time since her guilty verdict. you will hear more from jodi next. is how like us these chimpanzees are. [ laughing ] [ woman ] can you hear me? and you hear your voice? oh, it's exciting! [ man ] touchdown confirmed. we're safe on mars. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ hi. [ baby fussing ]

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have been the right thing. >> did you have any knowledge of, you know, being interested in your case, do you have an idea how many people are interested? >> i hear things but very no access to the news. or the internet. that that sort of thing. >> what kind of things do you hear? >> i think -- i do get the newspaper so that is one portal where i've learned things. a lot of inmates have come into the jail and they tell me. they want to come up and shake my hand. they want my autograph. i'm not going to sign anything. >> let's go forward. and say you do get a long sentence. how are you going to spend your life? >> i haven't decided yet. >> that is jodi arias talking just minutes after being

charged with first degree murder, we're going to continue to bring you the latest. thank you for being with us tonight. go to gretawire.com. benghazi, cleveland kidnappings and jodi arias. tell us about it. >> bill: the o'reilly factor is on. tonight: >> so fast forward, mr. hicks, to the sunday talk shows and ambassador susan rice. she blamed this attack on a individualsio. in fact, she did it five different times. whatwhat was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped. >> bill: brutal testimony today about how the obama administration mishandled the attack on our ambassador to libya. and three other americans who were murdered in beng question. why did washington refuse to send help? >> i notified my leadership that we needed to go forward. when told that it was not the right time. >> bill: another key question.