>> you are just about to hear from jodi arias. tonight, she is in a fight for her life. she faces execution. you will hear from her right here in seconds. but first, the verdict. >> we the jury, duly empanelled and sworn in the above-intieltioned action, do find the defendant as to count 1, first-degree murder, guilty. >> what is jodi arias's reaction to the guilty verdict? ksaz anchor destroyed hayden asked her. first of all, how did you get

this interview with jodi arias? >> reporter: i worked it pretty hard, greta, over the last four months. i met her in mid-january. we talked at length at that point and made a connection, as far as the journalist can do that. she said if i did certain things her way and didn't show her on video that night. i said i wouldn't do that. she said, if you don't do that, you can get the interview. i didn't know if i could believe her or not, but she came through. >> what about her lawyers? did they try to run interference? >> reporter: not a word about it. we plowed through t. 20 minutes after the verdict, we were in holding cells below the courthouse. it was eerie because there were a lot of people there. jodi walked out. i shook her hand. i could tell she was upset. she had been weeping. i said, are you sure you are ready to do this? and she said yes and we did it. >> what did you think of her? any thought-- the woman had just been convicted of first-degree murder, going into a penalty

phase, maybe an execution? >> reporter: right. the whole thing makes me sad. travis alexander's life is goneful his family's upside down. jodi arias's family is upside down. she is a waste of a life now. i think she is ill. i think she could be very pleasant as she was when i spoke to her today. but she has the ability to kill somebody in a horrible, horrible way. >> all right. let's listen to part of your interview. here is troy, speaking with jodi arias. >> reporter: a couple of minutes ago, you heard the verdict from the jury. what are your thoughts? >> i think i just went blank. just... i don't know. i just feel overwhelmed. i think i just need to... take it a day at a time of. >> reporter: was it unexpected, do you think? this verdict? >> it was unexpected for me,

yes, because there was no premeditation on my part. kisee how things look that way. but... i didn't expect premeditation. i could see the felony murder because of how the law is written. but the whole time i was fairly confident i wouldn't get premeditation because there was no preditation -- premeditation. >> reporter: you got a lot of questions from the jury. did it seem like the jurors department believe your story what you were telling them. what are your thoughts on that? >> i can understand that i think because of the lies i told in the beginning to try to cover up this, cover up that and hide things that i didn't want to be known, made public. >> reporter: are you focuses on the court or are you focusing on what could be the worst outcome for you? >> well, the worst outcome for me would be natural life. i would much rather die sooner than later. longevity runs in my family and i don't want to spend the rest

of my life in one place. i am pretty healthy. i don't moke. i would probably live a long time. that's not something i am looking forward to. i said years ago that i would rather get death than life and that still is true today. i believe today is the ultimate freedom, so i would rather have my freedom as soon as i can get it. >> reporter: so you are saying you actually prefer getting the death penalty than being in prison for life? >> yes. >> reporter: the amr alexander family, especially the two sisters and the younger brother... if you could say something to them, what would you like to say to them? >> i hope that now that a verdict has been rendered that they are able to find peace, some sense of peace. i don't think they will ever find the peace that they would like, but maybe they will be able to have greater peace now. or some semblance of it and be able to move on with their lives and remember their brother the way they wanted to.

>> we will have much more of that interview ahead. but first, jodi arias says she would prefer a death sentence to life in prison. but will she get her wish? we have a legal panel here. troy hayden is still with us in phoenix. the panel can ask troy questions they have them. jim, she said she would prefer death to natural life. just a ploy? or do you think this is speaking from the heart? >> i think she is speaking from the heart. i think she gave one of the best arguments against the death penalty. i think -- something seen people if you see life row or other places around the country, they live the rest of their natural lives in a small cell, 8 by 10 feet. they get a little time outside. they die old. scott peterson will never have fans again, never have people visit them. i think that's the worst punishment possible. i hope the jury makes her think for the rest of her life about what she has done.

>> bernie? >> i first thought she was cunning and trying to out-smart the jury and saying give me death. but i have been in the worst maximum-security prisons, if have you to spend time visiting your clients, gucoo-coo. -- you go coo-coo. she will think about this the rest of her, it's going to tear her apart. >> prison is a tential place. but, you know, travis alexander, you know, suffered a pretty ugly death i. it should be tential. >> yeah. i am saying, you know, it was so -- you know, it was a death that seemed to be pretty planned out. she got a gun, drove to where he was. ted, your thoughtings? >> you know, i am like the panel here, i am somewhat conflicted. jodi has lied so much, even in this interview here, the question is really: does she want death? or does she want life? i think she is lying. i think she really wants to

live. she is using this as a ploy. >> there are two issues. one is whether someone is for the death penalty and secondly, whether or not she fits the statutory requirement and whether he will get it or not. troy, i don't get the fact -- for the life of me, i would have loved to have this interview. i confess that. but if she were my client, i would have tackled her. there is no way she would have talked to you. where were her lawyers? did they say anything? >> reporter: no. like i said, i didn't want to talk to them, to be honest with you -- >> i don't blame you. >> reporter: jodi's an adult. if she says she wants to do tshe will do t. i am not going to go to her lawyer and say, are you sure you want to do this? she is on suicide watch at the jail. nobody else can talk to her. but they are genuinely concerned she may try to kill herself. someone close it her said if she gets life, she may try to kill

herself. >> troy, if you had an encounter with the alexander family, do they want the death penalty? i think that could be a big factor in this case. >> reporter: yeah. by far, most of them do want the death penal long talks with the two sisters and the younger brother and i talked about that. but the extended family, they were leaving the courtroom, nearly all of them said they wanted death. >> troy, can i ask you a question. i noticed that jodi arias's family was also in the courtroom. what were their reaction to this verdict? >> reporter: you know, i was watching jodi first of all and then i turned to her mother, sandra when the verdict was read. sandra had that same look on her face she has had all the way through. jodi immediately turned around, looked at her mom, like a teenager, mom, help me or whatever. and jodi's mom was stoic. her grandmother was there, shaking her head slowly back and forth that she didn't agree with

the verdict. none of them spoke afterwards, but the same look on her mom's face. >> we have more of the interview with jodi arias. >> you have juan martinez and went after him on twitter. what are your thoughts on juan? >> prior to trial, i respected juan as a very... capable attorney. even though he's done some very shady things in my case or is hiding evidence and failed to disclose certain thing, hoping it would just go away. but in the end, what does it matter? it didn't help me case. >> reporter: so if you had to do this all over again, you are in the desert, you have blood on your hands, how do you handle it? >> i would turn around and drive to the mesa police department. >> reporter: and what do you think would have happened to you

then? >> i don't know. but it would have been the right thing. >> reporter: do you have a sense of where the public feeling is about you? whether you are liked or not liked? >> i get the sense that there is great division on both sides. but i believe the majority is against me. >> reporter: what are your thoughts on that? >> ummm... a psychologist once explained to me that society has this need to persecute people and get some sort of gratification from it. so there might be something going on there. >> reporter: do you have any knowledge of you know, the interest in your case? do you have an idea of how many people are interested? >> umm... i hear things, but i have no access to the news, the internet, that sort of thing. no direct access. >> reporter: what kinds of things do you hear? >> i do get the newspaper. so that's been one way i have

learned things. a love inmates have come into the jail since then and they tell me. they want to come up and shake my hand. they want to give me a hug. >> they want my autograph. i am not going to sign anything. >> reporter: let's go forward. say you do get a long sentence, how are you going to spend your life? >> i haven't decided yet. >> back with our panel. bernie, does that -- i mean, think of this crime. i mean, she committed this crime with 27 stab wounds, slit the throat of her boyfriend ear to ear, shot him apparently in the head with a gun. and then have you -- can you imagine this one doing that? is this the best act -- is this a great actress or a sympathetic character? >> i don't know. ted's the best actor. we are on every night. but the woman is so remorseful -- she's contrite i. you think she is remorse fl? >> no! >> why do we not think it's

remorseful? because she lied nonstop in 17 days of cross-examination. that's why -- but if she stayed off the stand, she could have gone on the penalty phase and said, listen, i'm guilty, save my life. >> she does not sell me on remorse. this is a tential thing. i feel terrible that a young person has ruined her life as she has. but she doesn't strike me as having remorse. >> well, you know, i would say they should do whatever is worse for her. what i thought when i listened to her and bernie -- i -- i admire your humanity and skill as a defense attorney and you are a great man. what i see here is a cunning, cunning woman. and with her breath right now, she could express regret, compassion for the victim, not his family. instead, what does she do? she fires off on her lawyer. you can see the seething angry. lhe hid evidence and did unethical things and it didn't

do any good. i see a woman who is cunning and i get a chill when i listen to her talk right now. >> think about the manipulation here from the onset. this is a woman who said that no jury will convict me. >> yeah. that was wrong. >> that was wrong. now i think she is trying to find a way to manipulator the penalty phase. the big question with me is to whether she will take the stand. i believe in light of the fact that she took the stand in the actual case in chief that she will take the stand -- >> but the problem is, is that -- i mean, she could keep her consistent story in the death penalty phase. it is not the time to take the stand and say you didn't do it and you don't take the stand and say, i did it but i'm sorry. >> she gets on the stand in the penalty phase, the jury's going to look at her. and she's going to say, now that plan "a" went down the tubes. now it's time for plan "b." what is she going to say? all of this time, asking me

thousands of questions was an utter waste of everyone's time. >> that's the problem with this case. in the actual case itself, you technically, they have already done the penalty phase. i mean, she's been on the stand and the psychiatrist has been on the stand. this is going to happen. when they put travis' family, that's going to be maybe the difference. >> what were the lawyers like after the verdict isn't defense populars? >> reporter: they didn't say a word at all. jodi was not happy with them. one thing i will talk about, i kept waiting for jod tow say, oh, my god, i am so sorry for what i did. i can't believe i did that. i feel terrible. i gave her several opportunities to do that and she never did. >> maybe she's not. i mean, other than she finds herself in this fix. i mean, really, it's like, you know -- >> she's sorry she got caught and convicted, not that she did what she did. >> i still say that something -- there is something mentally wrong with her.

i really believe that. >> reporter: i agree. i agree. i think there are two jodis. she has stuck by her story. i asked her about the gas cans and the gun. she said there were pictures of her and her sister out in the desert or the wilderness on the day of the break-in where the gun was stolen. pictures of her with bruising on a hashed drive. she said there was evidence her attorneys never brought in. she talked more about that than being sorry. >> troy, one of the things she was charged with was felony murder. that means a murder that happened in the course of a particular felony. what was the underlying felony that was charged here that would be a felony murder? >> reporter: yeah, it's pretty weird. juan martinez said it was her stealing travis' gun, which he first denied ever existed. so remember, during that whole killing, she said she went into his closet and grabbed his gun and juan martinez said that was

the felony, the stealing the gun. >> i i think the fact that the jurors bought that as a felony murder is an indication she has trouble. that's premeditated, but not a felony. >> they are looking to hang their hat on something, stealing a gun and the foreseeable consequence, that's not a felony. >> i disbrai. i believe she has a good possibility of avoiding the death penalty in light of the fact that all jurors came back with premeditation -- >> that's bad! >> but wait a minute! >> seven of them found preheditation and felony i. that's worse [overlapping dialogue] >> they all said premeditation. >> but there is a split with the jury. she has a shot [overlapping dialogue] >> she only needs one juror. >> if that's the best you have going for her, she is in trouble. >> people are going, that's a wacky charge. but she premeditated the murder.

it's premeditation that she stalked him, she killed him three days to sunday and lied about it. her real problem is she hses has looked the jury in the eye, the one person giving them sympathy and she has lied repeatedly. they are all waiting to hear the family say, what do you want us to do with that woman? >> i would love to talk to the defense lawyers and find out if they insisted on the strategy of the abused woman. for the life of me, i don't understand why they took all of these horrible wounds and say this woman was in a jealous rage and bring it down to a murder to first degree, to one where she had incredible rage. she was willing to plead to murder in the second degree. that seems like such an easier -- better strategy, so she wouldn't be wondering whether she is going to be executed. >> that would have been more convincing to a jury, i believe. >> maybe -- i mean, greta knows, after the client's guilty, you get to the cell block because

all the oxygen has been sucked out of them. >> why weren't they in the cell block? troy, when your client is convicted, the thing that you usually do, you go back to the cell block and tell them it's not as bad as it is. it's horrible. but have you a conversation. you are the only bond they have at that point. why weren't they in the cell block with her? was this one of the 9 out of 10 days? >> reporter: she said she believes that. she believes that. she said, 9 out of 10 days, that's about right. she wasn't happy with the defense. why weren't they with her? i don't know. maybe they are not that great of attorneys. >> that's against -- that sets the stage, if she had such a bad relationship with them -- >> no -- >> i mean -- >> she's not walking on that, greta. >> i am not saying. >> she's not walking. >> of course, she is not going to walk. her next lawyer will try everything. this is a death penalty case. have you to try everything, right? bernie's shaking his head.

>>. >> the problem is she has already taken the stand. she can't say it was self-defense. give me another shot here? >> one of the things she said in the interview, juan martinez withheld evidence. if she and some lawyer can show that on appeal -- that may be something -- >> ted! this is a convictedded killer. you are going to lich to her about the incompetence of her own lawyer? >> this is a cold-blooded killer. >> if they lie about it -- they lie about it again and then they blame somebody else. >> the same thing with scott peterson. we will be back there after the appeal. >> troy -- >> that's the better case for scott peterson, unfortunately. >> troy, thank you very much. we got the interview we would all love to have. panel, if you stay with us, we want to hear from you, what do you think of troy's interview with jodi arias? go to gretawire.com and tell us. what do you think about jodi arias?

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>> i'm innocent and you can mark my words on that one. no jury will convict me. >> jodi arias said she was surprised she was convicted of premedicated murder. here's jodi right after learning her fate. >> a couple minutes ago you heard the verdict from the jury. what are your thoughts? >> i think i just went blank. just -- i don't know. i just feel overwhelmed. i think i just need to take it a day at a time.

i said years ago that i would rather get death than life, and that still is true today. i believe death is the ultimate freedom, so i would rather just have my freedom as soon as i can get it. >> so you are saying you actually prefer getting the death penalty to being in prison for life? >> yes. >> is anyone else surprised by the verdict? ryan byrnes is one of jeddy's ex-boyfriend's. he joins us. are you surprised by the verdict? >> not unexpected. >> when were you boyfriend and girlfriend? >> i met her at a convention in twit. i thought she was a good-looking girl, i got her number, and we talked over the phone for about a month so we were never boyfriend and girlfriend but i was definitely interested in her and for that month we were talking, that's when she planned to come out to see me, and that was may, 2008. and we all know that travis died the beginning of june so that's

why they had me of it on the stand because there was a lot happening with the communications between me and jodi during that time. >> in march of '09 there's a letter that jodi wrote to you and she -- it's quite a lengthy letter. >> right. >> she said things in it to you that your life was never in danger, that she's not a serial killer, that basically -- why did she write that to you, do you think? >> yeah,ean i think the reason -- she doesn't like people thinking bad of her, which is obviously part of the lies. nobody does. but this thing was so extreme. that was the reason why she was writing some of those things in the letter. and because a lot of my testimony that was said on the stand that she was directly crossed on was from a lot of our communications so when they asked her questions about the license plate being turned upside down, that was information that i offered to the state. i called them up and i gave that information to them and that's, you know, in the letter she

talked about me being the horror of the state because i was so willing to offer up information and of it to the state about the license plate being upside-down and many things like travis' phone and she had to read into it and find out she didn't think he was being as faithful. all that came from the communication she had with me because that's what she admitted to me why they broke up and why she lost trust which is why she had to be straight with her answers on a lot of those questions. >> when you see her in the courtroom or see her on this tape, openious obviously she's been charged with murder and convicted, is that a different jodi arias than what you met or is that pretty much jodi arias? >> you know, the jodi that just was on fox doing the interview after she was convict the, it's a strange feeling for me because i think the right conviction came out. i think she got what she deserved. i mean there's no justice in all of this. travis is still dead. but, yeah, that moment when she is, you know, talking about how

she feels and she didn't expect it to be premeditation, i think she -- she coined of noise there was premeditation, there's so many things. you look at the text message between travis and jodi on the 26th when travis said i don't want you to be sorry, i want you to know how evil i think you are. and even offering that he's willing to tell people what she's done. nobody really knows what travis means when he's saying that but people in the inner circle think travis new something pretty deep about jodi. two weeks later she stole the gun. and two days after she stole the gun and on the 30th she had an hour and a half at the message with me on google and chat saying she wanted to come see me. she died her hair, bought the gas can. she got the car, change it had from the color from red because she didn't want the police in know and got out there. there's so much premeditation in there i think she's constant by manipulating. >> why do you think she did this

murder? >> i think the biggest reason was is because that relationship was such a toxic in and out relationship. i this i travis genuinely wanted to get rid of her. what he show, they show four arguments between them. he said things you should never say to a woman, no doubt. but the four conversations, i think they came because he loathed himself when he gave inner to her sexual aggression and she got back into her life and he wanted to get rid of her and every time he let her in he loathed her. she wasn't going to let him go because of the type of person he was and the friends he had and the life he had, she wasn't going to let that go, and i think that cycle obviously on that night that was the end of it. >> ryan, thank you, sir. >> no problem, greta. >> coming up, an interview you will only see here. house oversight committee chair darrell issa.

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>> september 11, 2012. u.s. ambassador chris stevens in benghazi placed an ominous call to greg hicks, who was the number two diplomat in libya. greg, we are under attack, is what the ambassador said. hicks was the last person to speak to the soon-to-be murdered ambassador. and he told congress what happened no benghazi. was there, and is there still a coverup? here are parts of today's house hearing. >> the response team from the annex in benghazi, six individuals drove the attackers out of our compound and secured

it temporarily. there have been estimates as high as 60 attackers were in the compound at one particular time. at about 3:00 a.m. i received a call from the prime minister of libya. i think it's the saddest phone call i've ever had in my life. he told me that ambassador stevens had passed away. >> so fast forward, mr. hicks, to the sunday talk shows and susan rice. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped. i was embarrassed. >> how did the personnel react to being told to stand down? >> they were furious. i can only say, well, i will quote ltd. col. gibson. he said it's the fergus time in

my career that a diplomat has more balls than somebody in the military. >> when ambassador stevens talked to you, perhaps minutes before he died, as a dying declaration, what precisely did he say to you? >> he said, greg, we're under attack. >> so the military is told to stand down, not engage in a fight. these are the kind of people willing to engage. where did that message come down? where did the stand down order come from? >> i believe it came from either africom or south africa. >> afterwards we spoke with committee chair darrell issa. nice to see you, sir. >> thanks for covering today's hearing. >> you have gone through all the documents, you have talked to people weeks leading up to this. i'm curious, did you learn anything knew today? >> i think the american people learned today from these brave

witnesses, these whistleblowers, that the facts as we were told before, during and after the attack at benghazi simply aren't what they really were. after ambassador stevens was murdered, what they did told us in great detail about what happened that day and what happened in the days to follow and why we should know that he knew and everyone else in the mission new from the moment it happened, from the getgo, as he said, that this was a terrorist attack. >> rankling member cummins, he came out of the gate and said you were politicizing this. >> things in washington start off political. but when you have whistleblowers come forward and they aren't republicans or democrats at all, the fact is these are career professionals, state department people with as many as 32 years of public service. they are who we heard from today. i think people on both sides of the isle may have asked questions based on their view, but the answers are the answers the american people should

listen to. >> acting ambassador hicks said when congressman chaffetz went to libya, that apparently, at least he testified to that he was instructed, mr. hicks, not to have any personal time or personal interview with congressman chaffetz. >> the fact they didn't want anything, if you will, off-the-record or anything that might be said that they wouldn't know, shows a level of concern. they shouldn't have. congressman chaffetz was sent by me personally in preparation for the october 10th hearing, along with career people on the committee, staff members, just to get the facts as best they could. he did get some of those facts. but in many cases what he had was a minder, a lawyer from the state department and a four-star general. >> don't want to and those minders, bring them in and ask to what extent it's choreographed. >> greta, you have a lot of experience in law, and i only do this on committee, but you can be sent down erroneous paths look for wrongdoing,

conspiracies that probably happened. those lawyers were probably sent by somebody to keep us from get to go somebody. but candidly, as quickly as possible, we simply want to have the whistleblowers that are still out there, in fact witnesses that are still out there to come forward, tell us their story. we will get it out and we will close up this investigation. i don't want to be chasing down every rabbit hole over how the administration was paranoid about us finding out. i'm only concerned about how do we keep this from happening in the future? and congressman cummings repeatedly said the exact same things. we need to find these facts so we can make sure it doesn't happen again. >> what prompted mr. hicks to come forward and now? this happened back in september and i think he came forward probably about late march is when he first wanted to talk. >> i think he tried to work within the system. the call that he had, multiple calls that he had where he said i don't know how you are getting this idea that this was a demonstration. i knew better, you should know

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crowds were cheering and they were whisked into their families' homes. and also charges against ariel castro. >> i just signed criminal complaints charging ariel castro with four counsel of kidnapping and three counts of rape. the seven criminal complaints are first degree felonies. the defendant will be arraigned tomorrow morning in cleveland municipal court, and his case will be transferred over to the county court. the county prosecutor's office will then proceed with the prosecution of these criminal cases. this case will proceed to the county grand grand grand jury, e i expect will result in indictments on these charges and may result in additional counts. as relates to o'nil and pedro castro, no charges will be filed

at this time. there's no evidence that these two individuals had any involvement in the commission of the crimes committed against michelle, gina, amanda, and the minor child. however, both of them do have outstanding cleveland municipal court warrants for misdemeanor cases. misdemeanor cases for pedro and o'nil will be heard tomorrow morning in cleveland municipal court. >> there is nothing that leads us to believe that they were involved or they had any knowledge of this. and that comes from statements of our victims and their statements and their brothers' statements. so as far as what their relationship was, ariel kept everybody at a distance. >> the only opportunity, after interviewing the young ladies, to escape, was the other day when amanda escaped. so they were in that home. i don't believe -- they don't

believe they have been outside of the home for the last ten years respectively. >> were they kept together in one room? >> they were not in one room, but they did know each other, and they did know each other was there. >> and one more question. what's the relationship, the child's relationship with the father? what will that be? >> that is amanda's daughter. and as far as the relationship, that hasn't been determined. there is going to be a paternity test taken. there was a search warrant executed on the suspect to obtain his dna. >> straight ahead, the man accused of making his house an ugly and vicious prison for three young switch your car insurance to geico and we could help you save on boat and motorcycle insurance too. other insurance companies are een with envy. oh, no, no, no...i'm sorry, but this is all wrong? i would never say that. writer: well what would you say? gecko: well i'd probably emphasize the savings. ya know...lose that green with envy bit. rubbish.

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>> a cleveland man is accused of holding three women captive for three long years. now ariel castro is facing a long list of charges, including rape and kidnapping. joining us again is bernie. bernie, this is perplexing to me. he kid naps one of the women and holds her more ten years, that's one kidnapping charge. if i kidnap someone it for three years, it's the same charge. he holds him ten years and it's equal to holding them three days. there is something wrong. >> hold them for five minutes and it's kidnapping. i think the state will load as many charges on the guy as they can. but in tierry from what i remember from criminal law, that's one kidnapping charge. but if you only had to give somebody the death penalty once, would it be this guy or jodi arias? >> this guy is the biggest devil i've seen since the man that kidnapped dugard in california.

she was held and forced to have sex and had a baby. and the plea bargain in this case, do you want to force she's young women to take the stand? in the dugard case there was a plea bargain. >> maybe they want to take the stand. >> you are right. >> we have ropes and chains being pulled out. and apparent lib the women were kept separate. i don't know how they passed the time of day. >> what a creep. not only the rope and chains, but one of these women was pregnant, according to the newspaper, at least five different times. he tried to stop one of them. and this is the key there. he tried to kick one of them in the stomach and she was alleged to have miss carried. i wonder if there are other victims out there? i'm hoping that they can find other victims out there? >> why? i hope there are no other victims out there. >> let me put it this way. if he actually murdered somebody, we don't know that,

boy, i would love to see this ratcheted up so he could be where jodi arias may very well be. >> i just can't go to the fact if you kidnap someone from five minutes it's the same as kidnapping someone for ten years. >> it's a continuous act. and what is really troubling about this, and jim raised it, these women, happened down, the chief of police said we didn't even debrief them. family and friends said let us have our time to heal. >> gentlemen, i have to cut you off because we have to go. coming up, jodi arias talking for the first time since her guilty verdict. with the new staples rewards program

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>> you noticed you got blood on your hands. >> i would turn around and call the police department. >> what do you think would have happened to you then? >> i don't know but it would

have been the right thing. >> did you have any knowledge of, you know, being interested in your case, do you have an idea how many people are interested? >> i hear things but very no access to the news. or the internet. that that sort of thing. >> what kind of things do you hear? >> i think -- i do get the newspaper so that is one portal where i've learned things. a lot of inmates have come into the jail and they tell me. they want to come up and shake my hand. they want my autograph. i'm not going to sign anything. >> let's go forward. and say you do get a long sentence. how are you going to spend your life? >> i haven't decided yet. >> that is jodi arias talking just minutes after being

charged with first degree murder, we're going to continue to bring you the latest. thank you for being with us tonight. go to gretawire.com. benghazi, cleveland up next. >> bret: the benghazi hearing, the truths about a cover-up or just more partisan politics. this is "special report". >> bret: good evening, i'm bret baier. lawmakers and the nation are tonight digesting gripping often gut wrenching accounts from state department employees about the terrorist attacks that killed four americans last september in libya, including the u.s. ambassador. we have fox team coverage tonight. james rosen with new evidence showing what members of the administration knew and when they knew it. we begin with mike emmanuel on capitol hill. good evening. >> good evening. powerful words from state