>> gretchen: we got all our military moms here inform craig campbell will be performing in the after the show show. >> gretchen: have a fantastic weekend. happy mother's day, mom, and mother-in-law. before it maids its way to ambassador susan rice for her to use on the sunday talk shows after the terror attack. that is the latest wring kel on that. this is significant. good morning bill hemmer. big welcome back to you. martha: good morn, i'm martha maccallum. abc news is reporting 12 different versions of the talking points and they were extensively he had had along the way and really scrubbed of any reference to terrorism and all back up to the sunday programs. the white house said

repeatedly they were put together by the intelligence community, those talking points but this development is showing a very different scenario. you may remember that when former secretary of state hillary clinton testified, and reported heatedly what difference did it make, we'll have answers. bill: elizabeth prann is in washington. what can you tell us about this. >> reporter: those edits according to abc news before ambassador susan rice went on the five sunday talk shows. edits reportedly removing any reference of al qaeda or reference to ansar al-sharia. also deleted. cia warnings about threats azi months before the attacks. lawmakers vow the investigation must continue. house speaker john boehner demanding that the american people have the right to see the e-mail correspond dense between the white house and state department evidence which he says the department did in fact edited the talking points. stephen hayes, confirming

the intelligence revisions to fox news. bill. bill: we're hearing from lawmakers who demand for transparency. what specifically do they want? do we know? >> reporter: among the lawmakers, senator lindsey graham. he is specifically challenging the martin dempsey the current chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. he says the general should return to the capitol and give fresh testimony on the benghazi attacks, specifically answering resources who were readily available were told to stand down. graham along with former vice president dick cheney also thinks that then secretary of state hillary clinton should quote, be subpoenaed if necessary. >> now more than ever we should have a joint committee of the appropriate committees asking secretary clinton, chairman dempsey, cheryl mills and others what really happened in benghazi? >> reporter: meanwhile we're getting new information that last fall the republican national committee decided against airing a benghazi attacked a. it started with a clip from the well-known phone call ad,

airing originally during hillary clinton's primary run. shows a video of the consulate engulfed in flames, while you can see there, the phone rings in the background. the ad, reads, security request denied, four americans dead and administration whose story is still changing. according to reports mitt romney's campaign decided against running the ad, focusing on his economic message. bill, back to you. bill: more on that a little bit later. elizabeth prann, leading the coverage in washington. martha has more. martha: we have two versions of the talking points. on the screen to your left is the full page version that will come up in just a second. that is how it started when it came through from intelligence sources. there is the final version. as you can see there were huge chunks taken out. we'll go through those with you. we'll show you why it is so fifth what was eliminated. more than half a page is gone in the final version before that sunday. bill: this is why republicans are saying their investigation is so critical

and why they will continue to push for answers. four americans are dead. september 11th, 2012. the tripoli embassy's number two on when he learned that ambassador stevens was dead. >> about 3:00 a.m. i received a call from the prime minister of libya. i think it was the saddest phone call i ever have gotten in my life. he told me that the ambassador stevens had passed away. i immediately telephoned washington that news. bill: that was gregory hicks from earlier in the week, former deputy chief of libya mission who says he was denoted since then after raising concerns over the administration's talking points. we'll talk to the lawyer representing hicks in the next hour here. martha: well it took weeks for the fbi agents to

inspect the ruins on the scene in benghazi. if you remember that happened on october the 4th. they didn't go in there to start their investigation until 23 days after that attack. why would that be? then on december the 7th, the feds questioned a key suspect for three hours with a tunisia judge present. but a month later, january the 8th, that suspect the only one in this case, was released. then you go forward to january the 17th. fbi director robert mueller arrived in libya to meet with senior libyan officials about all of this. now four months after the attack. it was not until last week, may 1st, 232 days later that the fbi released photos of three men they said were wanted for questioning in the benghazi attack seven months later. they believe that they were on the grounds that night and of course they would like to speak to them. now --. bill: these hearings raised a lot of headlines. if you were looking for a lot of answers they were

elusive. now you start to see the pickup not just here but all the media awe cross the country. a lot more will come out on sunday this story is not getting away. martha: you have to wonder when you go to the basic fact the fbi didn't go in until 21 days later. they said it wasn't safe enough to bring folks in on the investigation. there was media on the ground including our own greg palkot on the scene. there are some questions. bill: we're getting word british embassy in libya is temporarily withdrawing some of its staff because of political uncertainty and clashes between rival armed groups in tripoli. sources say nonessential staff are affected and the embassy will continue to operate. where the benghazi investigation goes from here and the political fallout. reaction from "fox news sunday"'s chris wallace later in "america's newsroom." he has a lot to talk about coming up on sunday. martha: yeah. let's go to another huge story again this morning. the man accused of kidnapping three young women and keeping them prisoner in

his home could get the ultimate punishment if indeed he convicted. prosecutors say they may seek the death penalty for ariel castro for allegedly beating his victims until they miscarried. all of the gruesome details are coming out. as we learn more charges what could be on the table here. let's go to garrett 10 any live from cleveland. garrett, sounds like the prosecutor laid out this case very clearly. what else did he say? >> reporter: he laid out that case clearly and passionately. cuyahoga county prosecution, prosecutor, tim mcginty, he said castro operate ad torture chamber in the heart of the city and he vowed he will leave no stone unturned and will seek justice in a swift, relentless and uncompromising manner. take a listen. >> based on the facts i fully intend to seek charges for each and every exact of sexual violence, rape, each day of kidnapping, every felonious assault, all his

attempted murder murders and each act of aggravated murder he committed by terminating pregnancies that the offender perpetuated against the hostages during this decade-long ordeal. >> reporter: of course we know there was one child that was born during that 10-year captivity. that was amanda. amanda's 6-year-old daughter. we could expect results of a pa ternt test to determine in ariel castro was the father. that could come as early as today. martha. martha: we knew this story would have details that would be really tough to hear and how are these women doing? what are we hearing now about their condition, garrett? >> reporter: two of the girls, amanda and gina dejesus they're back at home with their families. gina dejesus's camp telling us she is laughing, smiling, making jokes. however the third woman, michelle knight, she is having a difficult time with the trauma of all this she is back at the hospital.

we know from her grandmother because of the beatings she endured during the 10 years she had to have reconstructive work on her face and she has lost hearing in one of her ears. a victim specialist with the fbi said that these girls need to decompress and they desperately need time and space before they undergo any further questioning in this case. so the process of healing, it is continuing for all three of these girls. martha? martha: just the beginning. garrett, thank you very much. bill: the dna result a bit later today too. we'll wait on that. jodi arias's sentencing hearing mysteriously canceled yesterday. man, it gets weirder and weirder out there in phoenix. postponed until wednesday when jurors consider whether she lives or dies. arias convicted of first-degree murder for killing her ex-boyfriend, travis alexander. no word why there was a delay. she is on suicide watch after telling a fox station in phoenix minutes after her

conviction she would prefer to die sooner than later. that might be a reason for delay. martha: so cutting down student debt. the president is proposing that the government forgive billions of dollars in student debt over the next 10 years. fox business network's stuart varney joins us on that. what do you think of that, stuart? >> first let me explain how it works. if you have student debt and pay 10% of your income for 20 years to pay it off, any outstanding debt after the 20 years is forgiven, dismiss the. however if you work for the government you only have to pay back for 10 years and than outstanding debt is forgiven. and president obama proposes to extend this program to include loans made before 2007. so, if you worked for the government and you got a big debt, you may be able to just get out from under that debt very near in the future. that is how it works. martha: that's interesting. the thing that springs to my mind when you say that in

the recent studies we've seen private employees make lower hourly wage average than public employees who work for the government. so they're getting a good deal all around. >> it would seem like this is an attempt to push people into government service. after all if you can get out from under that debt much faster there's a, tendency to go to government work. now the question is, martha, are we going to call this a bailout which will get bigger in the future? that's an open question. martha: i think we're going to be talking about this more. >> yes, we are. martha: stuart, thank you very much. we'll see you later on the business channel. bill: this is being called one of the biggest bank heists ever. $40 million stolen in 27 different countries and those responsible never stepped inside of a bank. how did they pull this off? martha: incredible story. so is this. very tragic. a sailboat capsizes killing an olympic champion. what investigators are saying today. bill: and police in cleveland searching for more missing women. this is disturbing new details emerge on the

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martha: this is incredible. a posse of global cyber thieves pulled off an atm heist and netted $45 million. the feds say this scheme started back in december when hackers stole information from banks in oman and the united arab emirates. they then distributed dupely cats to crews in the united states and over two dozen other countries. they have got seven suspects in new york. they're in custody so far including guys you see here. they look happy there. maybe not so happy today. what, this is future of bank robbers, right? bill: cybersecurity. that is what it goes to. police in boston say they never knew. a stunning revelation before the house homeland security committee when boston's

chief says they did not know what the fbi knew about the bombing suspect, tamerlan tsarnaev. >> before the bombing were you aware of the russian intelligence warning regarding tamerlan and the fact that he may travel overseas to meet with extremists? >> we have three detectives and a sergeant who are assigned to the joint terrorism task force. one of my detectives is actually in the squad that investigated that. we have access to all the databases but we were not in fact informed of that particular development. bill: that was the first headline from yesterday. new york congressman peter king sits on the house homeland security committee and chairs the subcommittee on counterterrorism and intelligence. sir, good morning to you. take his first statement first and i'll get reaction from the fbi. what did you make of that? >> just to me showed a terrible breakdown in cooperation between the fbi and the local police. how could the fbi have even

thought of doing a full investigation of the older brother without asking the local police for input? as the cop on the beat, it is the local police that have much more knowledge. they know what is going on. if the fbi is truly in partnership with local police it has to share information like this and unfortunately this happens in new york as well as in boston. bill: well, i think the country was kind of impressed the way the fbi and police worked together during the week. that was one side of the story. the other side of the story, hang on, the fbi came back and said, davis, the police commissioner in boston, had specifically assigned to a squad officers that probed tsarnaev in 2011. so it is a he said, he said. >> well, i am definitely inclined to believe the police commissioner of boston because i can tell you even after the bombing itself between monday afternoon and the shootout of friday morning the fbi still never told the boston police about the older brother.

right up until after the shootout and after the mit police officer was killed, the fbi still did not inform the boston police what was happening. i think commissioner davis handled himself extremely well yesterday. he answered all questions. he was willing to come up there. the fbi still hasn't met with the homeland security committee. bill: you have issues with the fbi, that's what i hear? >> on this i certainly do. also the fact that they never told new york city that the bombers intended to go to times square. they never told us that. that inexcusable. >> you told us that communication is absolutely essential if you want to stop further attacks. you're 12 years removed from september 11th. how do you rectify this, how do you fix it? >> i think it's, involves a change in culture. listen, the overwhelming majority of fbi agents do a terrific job. there is certain level in the fbi that wants to hoard information, keep it to themselves.

maybe it is the department of justice guidelines that have to be changed that are so protective and so concerned somebody's feelings may be hurt that the fbi feels they can't share this information. for instance the fbi in doing its investigation of the older brother to find out if he was radicalized never went to the mosque, never went to the imam. who would no better, local police or people in the mosque would have the best idea whether or not he had become radicalized but the fbi did not talk to either one. bill: we need to do something about this. you heard senator lieberman. he talked about a serious aggravating omission. his words were directed to the fbi. how do you get answers? >> we have to insist on it and right now, the fbi has not even come up to brief the homeland security committee on this issue they refuse to do it. to me this has, they have to be held accountable on this they really do. not e point fingers. we'll have, these are the type of threats we'll have over the next several years. they will not be large-scale

attacks from outside the country. they will be people from within the community. that will require a joint effort by the fbi with all its talents and abilities and local police who have the contacts who know what is going on in the communities and neighborhoods, working together we can stop this. the stovepipe information and keep it apart will just invite another boston marathon bombing. bill: strong words from peter king this morning directed straight at the fbi. sir, we'll see where this goes and we'll see when you get your answers. peter king, thanks from new york today. >> thank you, bill. bill: martha. martha: there are some big problems aboard the international space station. what nasa is now saying about a leak and how it may affect the crew. bill: also prince harry is having a heck of a time. martha: yeah. bill: first full day in the u.s. with a tribute to our nation's fallen heroes live at arlington national cemetery only minutes away. ♪

bill: there are some unbelievable pictures. broad daylight, diesel tanker overturns on a major interstate. that fire causing numerous explosions. look at that thing burn. the investigators say the driver was able to get out. minor injuries. harrisburg, pennsylvania. that road will be closed at least for several days. and on she burns. martha: we are following a developing situation where the international space station right now. nasa says there is a leak. the iss commander calling the situation serious but not life-threatening. here are some context on the iss so you can visualize what is going on up there. it orbits about 200 miles above the earth.

it travels at 17,500 miles-an-hour, making one full orbit every hour and a half around the earth. finally the international space station spans the area, it is very large, folks. bigger than a football field including the end zones. jonathan serrie is following the story live from atlanta. jonathan, explain what is it that they think it is leaking and how dangerous is it? >> reporter: yeah, martha, the leak is in the international space station's active cooling system. it works similar to a radiator in your car except instead of circulating water to take heat of l off of your car's engine it uses ammonia which is it second quarter lates through tubes to carry excess heat away from systems on board the iss the tubes extend from the exterior of the space station which transfer the heat into space. but yesterday astronauts reported seeing small white flakes floating away from the exterior of the space station.

listen. >> you're probably still seeing the video camera there but, with this ainge bell, with this angle beta, solar array blocking it we're only seeing the occasional flake that is going off. looks like it bounced off structure and going in a different direction. we don't nearly had the view we had previously, but no way to say what is going on with the leak. >> reporter: after these conversations and looking at video sent back to earth by the astronauts engineers on the ground determined that this was indeed and money yaw leak from a system that cools -- ammonia leak, from a system that cools one of the solar arrays that power the international space station. martha. martha: how serious is it for those on board and what do they think they might be able to do to control it? >> reporter: if left unchecked this leak could eventually lead to the shutdown of that one solar array that the cooling system in question is responsible for taking the heat away from.

but each array has an independent cooling system. so nasa has been working on plans to reroute power from other sources as a backup so that systems normally power by this one solar array can keep operating even if the ammonia loop goes down. nasa says the crew is in no danger. martha? martha: that's good news. jonathan, thank you. bill: keep them safe. martha: yeah. bill: breaking on benghazi now. the many versions of those original administration talking points revised a reported 12 times? a dozen revisions? this as we hear more calls for hillary clinton to come back and testify before congress. will that happen? martha: and the horrors that we are learning about in cleveland, shining the spotlight now on other missing girls in the area and the hope that this teen, ashley summers, could still be alive. a former detective who cracked his share of cold cases is here next in "america's newsroom.". [ femalannouncer ] from more efficient payments.

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she was last scene july 20th, 2007. she was 14, same age as gina dejesus when she disappeared and vanished from the same neighborhood as the three women found alive this week. meanwhile the lead prosecutor on this case is asking the public to be patient as this investigation gets moving. >> i ask for everyone's patience to avoid damaging the investigation or the victims. the victims in this case have gone through a traumatic decade-long ordeal that few among us are capable of ever understanding. the fbi victims' assistance specialists have informed us that the victims desperately need space and time. these victims need to be decompressed. they need a chance to heal before we seek further in depth evidence from them. it is imperative that the community and media be respectful of these young

women and their families and give them and their families the privacy they need and deserve. martha: where do they begin to start to put the pieces back together? gill alva former first grade detective at new york city police department. also the president of alba investigations. you say this is happy story for you, really. you have seen too many that didn't end this way. >> the cases i work on are 99%, dead, or murdered something along those lines. martha: yeah. >> here what i read, found three missing girls, the last word was alive, i couldn't believe it. so to me this is really happy story however there is lot to be done now. martha: like the families of ashley summers and all these other red dots we see on this cleveland map, do you think this will lead, that he did have other involvement in some of these other cases based on your work? >> you know. they had a chance to interview him. they interviewed him. they finished interview and i don't know if they found anybody else. you have to keep on him.

was there anybody else? did he try anybody else? the girl missing, 14-year-old, did he try her at all or did something to her. maybe he couldn't take her back to the house did something to her. all these things have to be found out. it takes time to interview the girls especially and police department to get everything and all the crime scenes together. so it is a lot, a lot of work to put together. martha: you know, it makes you wonder about these investigations and the police and whether or not there were things that were overlooked. does it change, when this happens in your pre-sent, and -- precinct and others across the country take a look at this, does it change the way these investigations go when there is a call how closely some of these houses might be looked at? >> oh, yeah. this not only happens in cleveland. this happens all over the united states. martha: sure. >> basically all over the world. so it has to change. why does this guy hold three women, three young girls captive in this house and nothing happens? the police

have to do their job. however these cases are part community and part police --. martha: right. >> sometimes the police officers are reactive, rather than proactive, they have to be told something is going on and they do something about it. but it is both the community and police. do things change after this? of course. let's find out who is missing. i think michelle knight at the time, she had a problem with her parents and, you know, they thought she ran away. martha: they assumed she ran away. >> so you have to really listen to the families and, you know, i think they need more training with the police regarding missing persons. martha: you think about terrorism and it has been so engrained in everyone, see something, say something, right? there is an inclination when it is in someone's backyard and crazy reports heard and groceries going down tears and all of that, in that case, it is not being a nosey neighbor, right? >> you have to call and you have to do anything. but a kidnap something a kidnapping across the united states. this guy kidnapped and

sometimes you kidnapped for ransom or political reasons. this guy did it for his own satisfaction. one of the ways that you control people, you kidnap them and blindfold them and don't feed them for days. don't let them go to the bathroom. keep them in a closet. they become totally under your control and don't want to live. that's why what happened to the girls and why they couldn't run away or couldn't. >> we wish them well and their families. gil, thank you very much. >> thank you. bill: there is a new battle over immigration reform. there is a group of eight senators, four democrats, four republicans moving forward with a plan after preventing several amendments to the bill. but there is strong opposition from some conservatives. former senator alphonse d'amato with me now. >> i'm terrific. bill: see you every friday. i'm doing just fine. what do you think about this in terms of moving forward, does it or not? >> i think it does. i'm very hopeful. i think there are enough republicans who understand

that the latino community in particular will be watching this very carefully and they are becoming a very significant voting bloc. and it is a bloc that republicans should not and can not give up on. so on the political front there is that going for it. on the practical front you can't throw out 11 million undocumented people who are here. and so how do we come up with a plan that insures that you are going to protect the united states and close the borders to illegal immigration so that you just don't continue the flood. bill: but the border is the big thing here because you know what house republican haves said? you have got to secure the border first and stop the flow and deal with everything that comes after that. i know you're sporting in favor, speaking on behalf of this bill going forward. maybe it passes in the senate but the way it is right now, does it pass in

the house? >> i think it can. i think what we'll need is a significant coalition almost all the democrats and there are enough enlightened republicans when they see to it that the border is protected, and you think the border can and i think the so-called "gang of eight" in the senate are moving in the right direction, there will be significant improvement and there must be. at the border, then, we can get a bill that brings about the kind of situation that we need. that is, closing the border for the most part. bill: but even that, senator, jeff sessions had an amendment that required the completion, a double fence, 700 miles long. and that was shot down. >> you know what? that in and of itself doesn't break the deal but there is an amendment that calls for 6500 more security

people at the borders. i'm hopeful that that amendment is going to pass. there are other amendments to strengthen the border that make sense and that are not so contentious that they will bring this down. bill: gotcha. what do you think about marco rubio's push here? what happens with him? >> marco rubio sees you just can not do nothing. is the answer to do nothing and just allow 11 million people to stay here in limbo and not even secure the borders or do a better job? or is it to do a better job at the border and find a pathway to legitimatize those people who deserve to be. when i say deserve to be who are not criminals are are paying taxes raising a family, for the most part they're hard-working people. much like the forefathers who immigrated to this country are looking for an opportunity to raise their families. bill: we'll see what happens. senator, thank you. alphonse d'amato here in new york. martha: well, britain's

prince harry is visiting, a live shot right now from arlington cemetery. he is on a two-day trip to the united states and participates in a wreath laying at the tomb of the unknown soldier which honors military personnel killed since 2001. let's listen in a little bit. ♪ . [playing of taps]

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[background sounds] martha: at the tomb of the unknown soldier in arlington cemetery, prince harry walks up the steps. he served for five months in the afghanistan war as a pilot of an apache attack helicopter. saw friends of his die in that war and clearly has his own family history of losing people in military campaigns. so he stands at the unknown soldier's tomb which is a tribute to a lost soldier from world war i, as they listen to "taps" composed by a civil war soldier. a lot of meaning there. he will head to walter reed this afternoon to visit soldiers as well as he continues his visit to the united states. bill: a beautiful day in washington. martha: certainly is. bill: 18 minutes before the hour now. we have breaking news on benghazi. reports that talking points were changed, revised 12

times? now why did that happen? >> inside the main residence the attackers come in here and they ransacked the place and then they go for the locked gate. they look inside. it's dark. they can't see anything. and then they tried the lock. they can't open it up. inside, agent uben has a gun trained on them, ready to shoot if need be.

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gang members. >> reporter: every month, martha, about 1000 new men and women come through homeboy's doors to take advantage of the program. martha: that is just one of the programs they have, right, adam? >> reporter: that is one. one group we got to see them in action, redemption foods hollywood, california. same thing, jail to jobs scenario. a pub, that looking fantastic place with fantastic meat and fantastic sandwiches. every employee is a ex-con. when we were there the place was packed. owner says it is about giving everyone a second chance. >> a place we not only redeem food and lives and places. ing guys involved in the community. community is lot safer when these guys have a job and make a contribution back. >> reporter: owner of that restaurant says he is ready to get everybody back in and want to give back to the community. the guy helped us, martha, done as much time as i have

been alive. he had amazing stories. he said he changed his life. you see them look on their face you can tell he truly has. martha: unbelievable. adam, thank you very much. adam has been alive a long time. >> reporter: not as long as bill. bill: there is always that. martha: see you later. >> reporter: he is a reds span. i have to tease him. bill: adam, talk to you real soon. a horrific accident killed a olympic champion, his sailboat, look at that, the sailboat capsizing in open waters.

bill: another breaking headline on benghazi. a new report revealing the original talking points on that deadly attack underwent 12 revisions. 12 times. meanwhile charles krauthamer sees it this way from last night. >> the story isn't going to explode.

this is drip, drip, drip. and what the drip, drip, drip, is about is this. the administration tried to suppress the truth about what happened in benghazi and did that consistently and deliberately. while the president at the same time said publicly that his only objective was to collect the facts and to share them as they received them with the american people. every piece of evidence that we heard yesterday contradicted that. bill: all right. we have about three minutes ago through this. mary catherine ham editor-at-large hotair.com and julie roginsky, former political advisor to senator frank lautenberg. both fox news contributors. drip, drip, drip. charles's comments by the way they came last night with bill o'reilly before this abc report surfaced this morning about 12 revisions to talking points. mary catherine, drip, drip, drip, how do you see it? >> i think that is how this is going to go down. you will hear more as we go

through this. it has been eight months. think that is part of the renewed urgency in asking more questions about this. you heard a really harrowing, moving tale from americans who were underfire and dealing with a significant event in american history. the first ambassador in office killed in 30 years. and i can't imagine not wanting to hear that story and ask more about it especially now we're learning most concede the talking points about this and truth of what happened on that night were pretty obviously obscured in the days after and i would like to, you know, get to the bottom of it. i don't think that is unreasonable. >> julie, what do you think about this? speaker boehner came out yesterday morning look for more e-mails and messages back and forth. you have charles comment about a steady drip. not a great bombshell. you have the abc news report, seems that way, doesn't it, a little bit every day. >> i echo what mary catherine said. we all would like to get to the bottom exactly what happened. seems to me besides what we have a tragedy that took place we need to get to the

bottom of how it was able to take place. we know some of the reasons why. we don't know all of the reasons why. we certainly should get to the bottom why those e-mails were redacted or why the talking points were redacted. seems what abc said today they were redacted. i echo what mary catherine said. i don't think this is impeachable offense some in the republican are looking for but i would like to get to the bottom exactly what happened. bill: you wonder, ladies how long it goes on? i don't know, mary catherine, are all house republicans are they all on board pursuing this to the end or is there some resistance there? >> i think people are on board for getting to the bottom of it. there is lot of room between impeachable offense and looking into something. this could end up anywhere on that speck up interest. i think asking honest questions and this, really moving, important, story told is part of how this goes. we haven't got answers out of the administration for eight months. also some arrests would be nice, if we end up there in the end. bill: we'll see about that quickly. do you see democrats

changing much this week? >> well, look i'm a democrat i can say echo what mary catherine said. i would like to get to the bottom what happened. i would disagree that the administration hasn't been forthcoming. i don't know what hearing it has been hearing after hearing including secretary clinton. administration cooperating may not be a bomb shell the republican wants want to hear because it doesn't exist but the administration is cooperating. bill: thank you, have a great weekend, ladies. martha: the potential for the death penalty accused of the man putting three women in cleveland through unspeakable horrors. what the head prosecutor may be saying what may be the worst of the worst out there. [ woman ] we had two tiny reasons

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martha: well the man who is accused of kidnapping three young women and operating a torture chamber inside his cleveland home for a decade could face the death penalty in this case. this is new details are emerging about repeated beatings and forced miscarriages, horrific tales we are learning and we start a brand new hour now of "america's newsroom." glad to have you with us everybody. i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. prosecutors may seeking a straighted murder charges after one of the victims told police she became pregnant five times and each time ariel castro starved and punched her until she miscarried. >> based on the facts i fully intend to seek charges for each and every act of sexual violence, rape, each

day of kidnapping, every felonious assault, all his attempted murders and each act of aggravated murder he committed by terminating pregnancies that the offender perpetuated against the hostages during this decade-long ordeal and violation of 2903.01 and 2903.09 of the ohio revised code. my office of the county prosecutor will also engage in a formal process in which we evaluate whether to seek charges eligible for the death penalty. martha: anna zbigniew brzezinski, -- anna, is a attorney for us. tell us whether he can seek murder charges based on those forced miscarriages we're learning about? >> the simple answer he can, in ohio, he you can be liable for a murder not just for killing another person who has been born but also

an unborn. in ohio, they have actually the most expans sieve view of what that means if you unlawfully terminate the pregnancy of that person, even after fertilization and after a live birth that is in the ballpark that is expansive as any state has. in this case he is liable for not just murder but aggravated murder. as you say that carries with it if he is pleads guilty or grows to trial and is convicted there are two sentencing options. one is life without the possibility of parole. also he faces the ultimate which is the death penalty. >> anna, in ohio how does it work in terms of sentencing? does the judge make a recommendation to the jury about the sentencing? or does the judge do the sentencing? >> the first thing that happens just because the prosecutor decides they are going to charge him with aggravated murder actually actually do a review themselves to see if this is

case we're seeking the death penalty. sometimes they see a case that this fits that category but it isn't the worst of the worst. if he has done things that is alleged there is no case more horrific and what he did to the young woman and a sick-year-old born into incredibly horrific conditions. he first may plead guilty and still eligible then. then it is up to the judge. same thing with the jury. they will recommend and judge will look at it and weigh all the different factors. martha: how tough to find a jury in this case given the fact that we of amanda perry's haunting words the i've been in the news. everybody knows about me, i'm free? >> it is always much more difficult when you have cases that are in the media and that have been publicized such as this you also say i'm a big believer in the jury system. i believe people can be fair. it doesn't matter, i don't think if you try the case in ohio or california or new york. people will have heard about it and felt something. but really the question, the judge will put to them, any potential juror is, you know

about this and you may well have an opinion. can you put the opinion aside and listen to the evidence that is presented and then weigh it with an open mind? as long as juror can do that, and i think many of us can do that, then that makes you a qualified juror because you can be fair. that is really all you need to be a good juror. martha: will be a quite a trial. anna-sigga nicolazzi, thank you very much. >> thank you. bill: one of the suspect as friends is talking. his name is ricky sanchez and said he visited castro's home several times over the years. he said there were a lot of locked doors on inside. he didn't think anything of it. he met amanda berry's 6-year-old daughter at one point. >> in the living room right away, the steps on the right side to go up to the second level. if you keep on boeing straight you're going to see a key chain, bathrooms on left-hand side. stop on the right side. right in front the stove, the basement is steps to go down to the basement. i am assuming she came out out from the basement but

she showed up maybe about five foot from me. okay? >> what did she say? what did he do? >> she don't say a word to me. constantly looking at my face. she was shy. she had shoulders up like this way. and show up right away and he grab her by the arm. ricky here, this is my grand daughter? >> granddaughter. >> he lied to me. bill: san chesz says he was at castro's home a week ago, only a die before the arrest was made. martha: we're also learning more about what the oldest of the three victims allegedly went through inside that house. besides reportedly suffering five forced miscarriages, her family says that she needs reconstructive surgery on her face because she was beaten so badly. you may remember michelle knight is one originally we didn't have a picture of. so little was known about her. she was thought to have been a runaway and your heart breaks for what this young woman has been through.

her friends had a vigil held by her family and friends i should say, to let her know that the community cares about her and they are praying for her. >> red is love. >> courage. >> courage, strength for hanging on and we want her to know that, you know, she is not forgotten. >> i just think of her and -- give her the biggest hug in the world. martha: her family says she simply is not ready to see anyone at this point. and shoe's dealing with a lot of emotional trauma and how could she not be after this week's rescue? bill: down to california. tragedy in the waters off san francisco. a british olympic gold medalist was killed when his sailboat capsized during practice for the america's cup race this summer. he is 36 years old. andrew simpson is his name. trapped underwater for about 10 minutes. claudia cowan is live in the city by the bay and what

happened here, claudia? >> reporter: well, bill, no official cause yet but some witnesses say the boat was foiling. that is when one of the twin hulls rises up above the water. if it rises too high and can't recover the boat will flip and that could have been what happened around 1:00 yesterday afternoon. it was sunny and breezy. nothing too extreme but a small craft advisory had been issued. several teams competing upcoming races were out taking practice runs including the artemis, 70-foot catamaran under the swedish yacht club. all crewmembers were tossed into the frigid waters of the bay. inchraurd being andrew bart same son a decorated medalist and won gold in beijing. given weather conditions and relative to other boats in the race. simpson was trapped underneath the boat's platform for 10 minutes and despite efforts to revive him he was pronounced dead

after being brought to shore. another sailor who was also hurt is said to be doing okay. this team is devastated. we'll learn more about the impact of the tragedy on the america's club at a press briefing in few hours. bill: it was quite a headline after it happened yesterday. this is not the first mishap that involves the america's cup, is it not? >> no it snirt, bill. catamaran used by oracle racing team capsized in october. wing sail broke apart but everyone survived. the team actually salvaged that boat and they still use it. but this latest incident is raising new questions not only about the design and stability of these high-tech boats that can go up to 45 miles an hour but also about the safety of this racecourse on the bay which is very often windy and very treacherous. bill: indeed. claudia, thank you. claudia cowan, watching the fallout from that in the bay of san francisco. martha: back on the other coast now and an update on the survivors of the boston marathon bombings. it is a long road to

recovery for those who were injured. molly line is following it for us live in boston. so we're learning, molly, that one of the families who was hardest hit in this attack has gotten a little bit of positive news today, right? >> reporter: we have a statement from the richard family. martin richard was the youngest victim that was killed in these bombings. he was 8 years old when he died but his sister jane, was also very severely injured. she has undergone her 11th surgery. she lost a leg below the knee but the family is thanking everyone for their support across the community and saying doctors have been able to close their daughter's wound and that they are optimistic she will be --. martha: molly is coming in and out for us in boston but some good news for the richard family. that was a picture of martin richard. the little boy lost his life and his little sister seems to be improving. boy, how does that family get through that and you

think about, you know, what these two young men, one surviving is charged with and the loss that has been incurred on that family. bill: the reports are that the young girl has been in and out of surgery so many times. martha: 11 times. bill: she wanted to know what happened with her brother. they had to go through that process to figure out how to talk with her about it. our prayers are for boston. martha: absolutely. bill: meantime in new york city there is a major milestone. one world trade reaching full height. we'll tell but the city's newest addition. what a day to pull that one off, huh? nice. martha: a miracle in bangladesh where after 17 days a woman is found alive under the rubble of that colaps garment factory. what a story this has been. she is alive 1 days later. bill: extraordinary. top republican senator calling for hillary clinton to testify again on benghazi. the new questions that he says must be answered.

>> the fact is we had four dead americans. was it because of a protest or because guys out for a walk one night decided they would go kill some americans. what difference at this point does it make? it our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again

bill: this is a big number. the u.s. postal service reporting a $1.9 billion loss in the second quarter. that is over three months prefundedest issue for the health care for future retirees. that costs about $5.5 billion a year. wow!. martha: top republican senator lindsey graham is now saying that he wants former secretary of state hillary clinton to come back to congress and to testify again on the benghazi terror attacks. his call comes as a bombshell new reports claims that both the white house and the state department had a big hand in editing the

controversial talking points that had come in from intelligence and that they did so 12 times before the u.s. ambassador susan rice appeared on five sunday talk shows including "fox news sunday" with her final version of those events. of course as we know these four americans lost their lives in that horrific attack that night in benghazi. and were killed in that attack. chris wallace joins me now, the anchor of "fox news sunday.". chris, you know, first of all, looking over all of this, and we'll show some of the specific quotes from this but what's your general reaction to what has been disclosed this morning? >> well, and it's a very interesting report by jonathan karl over at abc news. we need to give him credit. a dozen times these talking points were gone over and there really does seem to have been a pretty clear narrative because the first initial report that came out of the cia was, one, that the cia had been warning the

state department for some months about growing radicalism and growing threat in benghazi and then talked about the fact that the people who conducted the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi were islamic extremists with ties to al qaeda. the reaction from the top spokeswoman at the state department, victoria nuland, why was do we want to be giving this kind of information to our enemies, people in congress who may be use this information to bash us? and, you know, it seems there was a pretty clear understanding in the state department and at the cia this was a terrorist attack or an attack by extremists, i'm not sure what the difference is between the two, and they wanted to scrub it of that. martha: you know, when you look at the final version of what susan rice went on your show and the others that sunday morning with, basically she kept hammering that the top line of all this was that the demonstrations were spontaneously inspired by protests. that was hit again and

again. but i want to take some of the specific e-mails and show people at home exactly what was excised. this was what was eliminated from the cia's talking points here. here is the first piece we want to show everybody. the wide availability of weapons and experienced fighters in libya almost certainly contribute to the lethality of these attacks. so that was eliminated. also, let's take a look at the next piece of this, what was eliminated from the cia's talking points. the agency has produced numerous pieces on the threat of extremists linked to al qaeda in benghazi and eastern libya. those, these noted that since april there have been at least five other attacks against foreign interests in benghazi by unidentified, as we continue here, assailants including that june attack against the british ambassador's convoy. we can not rule out the individuals had previously surveiled the u.s. embassies and facilities also contributing to the efficacy of these attacks.

all of this, chris, goes to the question if they requested more security, if they had been saying we've got a problem on the ground here and pointing to the fact that these other embassies attack including the british embassy, it makes the state department like they, it makes them look bad. it was taken out. >> absolutely. there are two aspects of this. one is the question of should the state department have responded and either gotten everybody out of benghazi or made sure there was more security there? that is certainly one question. but then there's the other question the political damage control. basically. cia is putting out there in the days right after the attack on set of help vent, 2012, is putting out there the fact we warned you, we told you there was a lot of stuff going on. that a number of people like the red cross and the british ambassador had fuld out and you were on notice about this and victoria knew land and the state department and she said, she specifically says in one of her e-mails, the superiors in my building, the building's leadership --.

martha: we have that. >> just go ahead. martha: this is her quote, according to jonathan karl from "abc news." she said these changes, meaning the edits have already been made and 20 through 12 iterations. these changes don't resolve all of my issues or those of my build's leadership. the top of that build's leadership is hillary clinton, chris. >> it doesn't specifically say hillary clinton we've got to see if there is case to be built here but raises questions people at the state department in those crucial days between 9/11 and 9/16 when susan rice goes out on "fox news sunday" and the other shows was really concerned about political damage control, did not want to put out the fact that the state department had been warned. did not want to put out the fact there were terrorists or extremists with ties to al qaeda involved in this attack and wanted to put it out if this is just like cairo, a spontaneous, unforeseeable response to a video when in fact gregory hicks, the number two buy in the mission, said during the

hearing on wednesday the video was a nonevent in libya. martha: chris, one of the troublesome things, there is many, but one of the troublesome things i see here they were so specific. they wanted so much to parrot down to that spontaneous protest that sort of grew into something else. when at that point it would have been very open to them to say look, there is lot of things going on, we know we're concerned about eastern groups in libya. we know there are a lot of loose arms around there, they could have broadened the span of what the possibilities were. wouldn't that have sort of exonerated them or protected them down the a rode a little bit as all this is concerned? >> as you ask the question, my response is hindsight is 20/20. martha: of course. >> a lot of this stuff looks in retrospect a bad idea. i have to say on "fox news sunday" because the president of libya came out that morning said it was a preplanned terrorist attack, i asked specifically susan rice about that question. we have absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever. so they were pushing back

hard. i don't know how much susan rice is responsible because to some degree she was giving talking points, she read her talking points but sure were people at the state department seemed to have fingerprints all over the scrubbing, that is the only word you can use for it, the scrubbing of these talking points during those crucial five days. martha: big story. chris, thank you. thank you very much. >> you bet. martha: let me let everybody know what is coming up on "fox news sunday" this weekend as these whistle-blowers come forward chris will be speaking to the chairman of the house intelligence committee mike rogers and as well as the ranking member of the house committee, adam smith. both very involved. and do a post-election interview with south carolina governor mark sanford who has a new life in politics. he just won the u.s. house seat in that district, that tim scott moved out of to move in jim demint's spot. bill: big sunday. more to come. from new york today, what a sight this is. from lower manhattan, that is the crown jewel that's

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port authority and particularly for all the thousands of workers that worked tirelessly to make this reality. this has been more than a job for these guys. it has been a mission. martha: they're so happy, right? what an amazing accomplishment. bill: they picked a great day. martha: they picked a great day. i get to see it every day on my way into the city. now that it is sunny earlier you can see it rising up in the skyline. it is incredible. a very inspiring sight. bill: somebody watching it go further and further into the sky. it is a beautiful building. will only get better. martha: big day for them. bill: nicely done, fellows. a new study suggesting most americans have a distorted perception of gun violence in america. it has fallen significantly we're told. in the past 20 years the justice department reporting this week the number of murders committed with guns dropped nearly 39% between 1993 and 2011. the number of nondeadly gun crimes down an astounding 70% during that time.

doug mckelway has been looking at the numbers. he is live in washington. what does this mean, doug? put this together here. >> reporter: one question a lot of people are asking does it mean more guns mean less crime? it does not necessarily mean that, bill. there is a very strong correlation that suggests that however. but the study can't prove causation. that said, the study is really welcome news to second amendment supporters and blows some huge holes in popular perceptions about guns and violence. it may cause many to rethink efforts to restrict gun show sales. for example, it found among straight prison inmates who possessed a gun at the time of their offense, only two% bought their gun at a flea market or gun show. senator joe manchin, a second amendment supporter who response toward legislation for background checks to gun shows reacted this way to the study. >> i'm happy they do continue down because i will tell you this, a law-abiding gun owner like myself, i will not sell to a stranger. i will not give it to a

family member that is not stable or responsible. >> reporter: manchin still supports background checks at gun shows to get the 2% of criminals bought weapons at shows should indeed undergo checks. bill: what are you hearing, doug? we hear from staunch gun control advocates about this matter? sta. >> reporter: brad did i -- brady campaign rejected our request for interview. nancy pelosi, said the ban that was passed in the 1990s, the one that expired 10 years later. may have contributed to the drop. >> deaths have gone down in response because of large measure of the legislation that passed and some states picked up on. the problem is we have great laws in california, maryland, new york, connecticut, you can name many states, as long as those guns can cross state lines without having a background check attached to them, that we still need that legislation. >> reporter: there are between 310 million and 400

million guns in private possession across the united states. that is more than at any time in our history and gun violence is down. although it remains higher here than in any other western nation. bill? bill: interesting numbers. thank you, doug mckelway on that story in washington. martha? martha: well the president stepping in with a sales pitch today and growing concerns over his health care law out there. the people that he is now trying to court. bill: also some revealing testimony from boston. the commissioner over what they knew or did not know about the marathon bombing suspect. [shouting] martha: and a woman is pulled from the rubble more than two weeks after that deadly factory fire in bangladesh. her unbelievable story of survival is coming up. stick around. we'll be right back

bill: rather revealing testimony in the first public hearings into the bombings in boston. the boston miss commissioner telling lawmakers the feds never bothered to share what they new about tamerlan tsarnaev's checkered past. saying if they had shared that his department would have handled things much differently. watch this exchange. >> before the bombing with you aware that based on russian intelligence that the fbi opened an investigation into tamerlan? >> we were not aware of that. >> would you have liked to have known about that?

>> yes. >> before the bombing were you told that he posted radical jihaddist video websites online? >> we are not aware of tamerlan's activities. >> and, again, would you like to have known that fact? >> yes, sir. bill: mike rogers, republican congressman from michigan, chairman of of the house intelligence committee. my guest in studio. good morning to you. >> great to see you. bill: there is a lot to talk about regarding boston. walso you are back from the middle east. i want to talk about syria. pwaeufrsed obased on the hearings what are we to take from that. >> you have the joint terrorism task force the assem pledge of all the locals in the area, the boston pd. the custom and border patrol, fbi, other agent seeings are liker lee to be represented there, and its design and task is to coordinate information that comes in on terrorists. now that information was available to all the members of the joint terrorism task force. i think the question is, should they have done more to tell the local police? the question we have is, we know

that the fbi, through the joint terrorism task force did a full investigation and found no derogatory information. so i'm not sure exactly, we are going to have to go back and review it. i'm not sure what the local police would have gotten out of a notification where no derogatory information was. bill: he testified that we were not in the know, that's basically what he said. the fbi came back later and said no you had officers specifically assigned to probe tsarnaev two years argue. what are we to believe? >> we will have to go through it. it's probably somewhere in the middle. they had officers aeu shined to the joint terrorism task force. those on that task force had available this information and may have in fact been a part of the broader investigation to see if there was derogatory information. bill: peter king was with us about an hour ago. he didn't minimums words. didn't mince wonderer e. saved this is the tphaoeub's responsibility and duty and they dropped the ball essentially. >> i think it's too soon to say

that, bill. think about what they did, they checked all the electronic footprint of this individual, they did interviews, did all database checks and after that investigation couldn't find any derogatory information. the fbi does operate within the confines of civil liberties protections, that is the right answer. they went back to the russians and said is there more derogatory information. they got no information. without anything that says that this guy was derogatory, remember, we don't think he was radicalized until 2012. this all happened in 2011. that is the problem. bill: okay. strong words from senator lieberman during that hearing as i'm sure you're aware as well. >> yes. bill: syria you visited numerous countries, you came back a few days ago and said this is as bad a situation as you have seen. >> yeah. bill: what is happening? sph well think about where syria is today, bill. so you have hezbollah operating there, a terrorist organization. the pkk, which is a terrorist organization that targeted turkey in the the past. over 6,000 al-qaida members there fighting on behalf of

elements of the opposition against the regime. hamas elements, and the displacement of people, the refugees there, 800,000 in turkey, well over a hundred thousand now in jordan, lebanon we are still trying to get a handle on. heights becoming destabilized and all of the aftermath is scary thinking all of those groups we just talked about want to get their hands on more sophisticated weapons. bill: you were in jordan, saudi arabia, egypt. what did the leaders of these arab countries tell you? what did they want the united states to do? >> they are frustrated in the sense that they believe the united states can play a coordinating leadership role at the table. so think of this. some of the arab league partners are already supplying weapons and arms into syria. their vetting process is not the same. those weapons may in fact go to folks who are jihaddists, who are not friendly to u.s. interests after the fall of assad. that has not allowed the opposition a to be more

successful, and b, if that power vacuum was on the other side of it was filled with iran, so they are very, very concerned about where we are and want the united states to step up its role. bill: you said the best-worst option at this point must be managed. what is that? >> i think we can help train the opposition forces to our standards. we can provide intelligence packages so that they can be more effective on the ground, and coordinate the arab league efforts on the ground in syria. that does not mean the 101st air bone, eufrt doesn't mean the navy, no boots on the ground. it just means we can play a coordinating role, as someone said not the certificate sheriff but the coach. bill: are we ready to do that? >> i hope so. i think we better do much it. if we ever want a diplomatic solution you have to have the confidence and credibility with the opposition and the arab league, they are the two that will be key to the negotiations. we don't have that today, we need to re-establish that by some good u.s. leadership in order to have a diplomatic

solution. bill: a big strong message taking that back to washington and well see whether or not people listen. mike lodgers, thank you for your time. >> thank you for having me. appreciate it. martha: we are just getting information across the wires here moments ago about a first responder who went to the west texas blast site and has been taken into custody. he's since been released but he had possession of an explosive device. his name is bryce reid. we must emphasize here that at this point they are not saying whether or not they believe there is any connection between the explosive device he was found with and the explosion that occurred at the fertilizer plant on april the 17th. still it clearly raises a lot of questions. his name is brye reid. a west ems technician, arrested early this morning charged with possession of a destructive device. he was being held at the jail but has since been released. he is no longer in jail at of

this moment. so, a lot of questions raised by all of this. no connection between the two things as of this moment. more to come, though on that. bill: what a story that was in that town. martha: yeah. bill: top republican lawmakers calling for more hearings into benghazi, after whistle-blowers tell their stories about what happened the night four americans were killed. we will talk to the woman representing one of those men who testified this week next. >> fast forward mr. hicks to the sunday talk shows and ambassador susan rice. she blamed this attack on a video, in fact she did it five different times. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. ♪ roundup

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bill: there has been a miracle in bang, where a woman buried under the rubble of a collapsed garment factory for 17 days, she is now alive. rescue workers feeing the woman earlier today after someone spotted her waving at them. she was found inside a prayer room in remarkably good shape too. more than a thousand people died in that collapse, one of the worst tragedies industrial tragedies in history. hoop makes you hold onto hope a little bit, out of all that rubble in bangladesh. martha: an amazing story. this story that just continues to get more bizarre by the

moment. we are now getting that dna result that we mentioned we might see during the course of the show this morning, and the ohio attorney general has now announced preliminary results of dna testing in connection with the cleveland kidnapping and rape suspect ariel castro who you see pictured here. according to castro's dna late yesterday afternoon the forensic scientists worked throughout the night and confirmed that castro is indeed the father of the 6-year-old little girl who was born in captivity to amanda barry on perry. we know that perry and the little girl did escape together and that has been believed to be the situation -- amanda berry. and there is a picture of amanda berry. all kinds of mixed emotions come with that revelation this morning, no doubt, but they are together, mom and daughter, and he is indeed the father according to preliminary reports. all right. let's move you back to this

story now, top republican lawmakers are calling for more hearings into the benghazi terror attack after several whistle-blowers revealed that their personal stories were something quite different when they sat before a house committee meeting this week. gregory hicks was the second in command to ambassador chris stevens in libya. he became number one after chris stevens was murdered that night and he is likely the last american who spoke to the ambassador that evening. here is an exchange between mr. hicks and congressman trey gowdy. watch this. >> fast forward mr. hicks to the sunday talk shows and ambassador susan rice. she blamed this attack on a video, in fact she did it five different times. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped. and i was embarrassed. >> did she talk to you before she went on the five sunday talk shows? >> no, sir.

martha: victoria tensing is the attorney representing gregory hicks, also a former justice department official and she joins us once again here on "america's newsroom." good morning, victoria, good to have you back. >> good morning, are martha. martha: i'm curious about the email revelations that came out this morning, what they reveal about what the state department clearly knew and i guarantee it's no surprise, any of this to greg hicks. >> well, martha isn't it amazing that the arb, that touted accountability review board that the white house said, oh, they've done their investigation and report and so you shouldn't ask any more questions. how come they didn't find all of those emails? cinco de mayo, i wonder why that happened. well i'd like to talk about this arb a little bit, because it really hasn't been gotten into. hillary clinton brought in people that she knew were going to take care of the matter. ambassador picker ring known around here as a fixer had hardly any investigative

experience. and let me tell you why that is so apparent. number one, they did not interview hillary clinton. how could you not interview the secretary of state if you're doing an investigation of what happened that flight? they did not interview my husband's client one of the three witnesses at the hearing, mark thompson. he was in charge of all the counterterrorism rescue teams. they cut him out of the system that whole night. they cut him out of any meetings, any information. he wanted to be interviewed, he asked to be interviewed twice and they did not interview him. there are more people too, but they just have been afraid to come forward. let's look at the process. we know hop a decent investigator would never use this process. they did have a step og graph for when they interviewed the witnesses, they are had note-taker's. the witness, mr. hicks, for example was not even allowed to look at what the note taker said he said during that meeting. how would you like to be responsible for something that a note taker took and decided you had said?

now guess what, how devious they are at the state department, you know what they are doing? now they are saying, well you know what mr. hicks told the arb is know the what he said when he was testifying in front of congress. and i think, give me the transcript, because you don't have one. martha: the attention brought back to this case, thanks to your client, your husband's client, the revelation of these emails, is completely different. i mean when i watch the morning news channels, everybody is now clearly paying attention to this story. so what happens now? do we have another review board? do we reopen this case? do we hear more testimony from hillary clinton? i know lindsey graham would like to see that happen. what do you think happens next? >> i think congress and the house because they have the majority, do you think the democrats in the senate are going to have hearings? it will have to be the house of representatives. about four weeks ago i did my first appearance on the subject even before i was representing mr. hicks, and i said at my last line was, do the house republicans know how to spell the word subpoena?

and, you know, i think it's about time. they should have ambassador pickering up there to ask him all kinds of questions. a whole bunch of witnesses should come before hillary clinton is brought up there. you always wait to the last to bring in the most important witness as an investigator. martha: victoria, thank you so much. we'll speak to you again soon i hope. bill: more to come on that. meantime jon scott standing by. "happening now" rolling our way in ten minutes. what is cooking, jon, good morning. jon: good morning to you bill on this friday. is jodi arias getting a break? convicted of first-degree murder in the death of her lover the jury was supposed to begin the penalty phase that could bring a death sentence for her. there's been a last-minute delay in all of that. we'll try to get to the bottom of the reasons why. plus a medical miracle could be a procedure to reverse the aging process in the heart. scientists getting closer to keeping you young at heart literally. and a bank heist for the record books, thieves steal more than 40 million bucks in jus

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bill: a major shift taking place in religion in america. the number of latinos joining evangelical prod ta want churches booming. lauren green is live in new york to explain what is happening here. >> reporter: you know they have the largest ethic minority in the u.s. and the majority of them are traditionally still roman catholic. there's been a shift from the faith of their fathers to becoming what is known as born again. alfrayed dedejesus represents a global groundswell of hispanics leaving the catholic church to become christians. the new life church in chicago

has been beings pannedded from 120 members in the year 2000 to over 17,000 on multiple campuses. >> in the evangelical church we find the freedom to worship. within the hispanic, it's in us to be able to love on people. we love on people, we are a hugging people. >> reporter: in the united states hispanic immigration and birth rates have kept the catholic churches numbers pretty steady over the past few years. the number of conversions to evangelical christian has become a concern for the catholic church. the irony is that these converts mirror catholic teachings on abortion and gay marriage. >> it's an odd mixture where the roman catholic church is losing members, but insofar as those members are going towards pentecostal, evangelical churches, they are in fact becoming more closely identified

and more supportive of the official teachings of the roman catholic church on these social issues. >> reporter: and the election of the first pope from latin america in the catholic church is hoping to reverse the tied of the conversion -gs. he says he doesn't see eupl happening any kaoeupl soon. bill: interesting story. lauren green, thank you. shifting times. martha: a jury he holding the fate of jodi arias in its hands deciding whether it lifes or dies. we'll look the a the next step. be right back. hey! [squeals] ♪ [ewh!] [baby crying] the great thing about subaru is you don't have to put up with that new car smell for long. introducing the versatile, all-new subaru forester. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.

bill: great to have you back. martha: thank you it is very nice to be back. thanks a lot. bill: enjoy the weekend. martha: you too. 4 "happening now" starts now. see you back here on monday. bye-bye. jon: a happy mother happens day martha. brand-new stories and breaking news. jenna: the administration says the intelligence community was tasked with putting together the talking points with what happened before, during and after the deadly attack in benghazi. the new report that contradicts the white house account. sick and depraved beyond words. police now say dna shows ariel castro is the father of the 6-year-old girl rescued from his home. plus the alleged crimes against three young women held captive were so horrific an ohio prosecutor is considering seek being the death penalty for the suspect. more on that. and the president laying out a very aggressive agenda for his second term. and now republicans in congress essentially s