left this evening. as always, thank you for are being with us. let not your heart be troubled. the news continues here on the fox news channel. have. see you back here on monday night. >> greta: tonight, an on the record special. held hostage ten years of terror. three girls kidnapped and now they years of torture are inside a cleveland basement. >> on one of the mornings you will not soon forget. missing for ten years finally found and today they are free. >> i have a caller on the phone with a female who says she is amanda barry and a she had been kidnapped ten years ago. >> nothing short of a miracle. >> three women missing for ten years found alive. amanda barry, gena dejesus

and regina knight. >> charges against 52-year-old ariel castro. >> she says he has been holding her here for ten years. >> i have been here a year. i was barbecuing with the dude. we eat ribs and listen to salsa music. >> and you had no indication -- >> bro, not at clue that that girl was in that house or anybody else was in there against their will. >> this might be for real. >> i will tell you this. because i was there to see her. all three girls. god works in mysterious ways. >> got the others in the house. >> go ahead. >> we found them.

we he found them. >> thankfully. and i mean thankfully due you to amanda's brave actions these three women are alive today. >> i just signed criminal complaints charging four counts of kidnapping and four counts of rape. no charges will be filed against the other two at this time. there is no evidence that the two individuals had any involvement. >> the child kidnapper operated a torture chamber and private prison in the heart of our city. >> the only opportunity after interviewing the young ladies to escape was the other day when amanda escaped. they were in that home, they don't believe that they have been outside of the home for the last ten years respectively. >> ariel castro charged with kidnapping and rape. kidnapping and rape. kidnapping and rape on the third. and kidnapping on the fourth. >> they were not in one room

but they did know each other and they did know each other was there. >> while in captive itity they were about put through repeated beatings. they were bound and restrained and sexually assaulted. basically never free to leave the residence. >> michelle knight said castro got amanda barry pregnant and forced knight to deliver the baby in a plastic baby pool to contain the mess. she said she got pregnant five times but every time he forced miscarriages by depriving her of food for two weeks and repeatedly punching her in the stomach. >> the amount of effort. the amount of leads. the amount of work hours and dedication that went into this, i have never seen it before over the last ten years. >> these three young ladies have provided us with the ultimate definition of survival and pe perseverance.

>> greta: they escaped from the horrible years of tenuous sexual assault and torture. but they are not the only one terrorized by ariel castro. his former in laws say he beat his then wife breaking h her nose and breaking her arms and even locking her in a box. the 48-year-old died last year. her second husband fernando colon joins us from cleveland. good evening, fernando. >> good evening, ma'am. how are you? >> greta: i'm very well. fernando, tell me, when did you first meet ariel? >> i met ariel around 1995 right after i met grimelda. >> greta: under what circumstances did you meet both of them? >> i met grimelda at the hospital where i work in as a security officer. she would come in with different types of injuries and

for her appointments that is where we met. >> greta: did she ever tell you where she got the injuries or who you she got the injuries? >> yes. she stated to me that the injuries were inflicted by mr. ariel castro. she -- i saw her with a broken nose. dislocated shoulder. broken nose. i think fractured ribs. also to the extent of a missing tooth. >> greta: did she come in is that just one incident or come in more than once with injuries? >> she came in more than one time with different injuries, yes. >> greta: how did you at some point you and grimaldi developed a relationship. was she already is separated from ariel? >> yes, she was. when i met her we spoke about her injuries because she was looking kind of devastated and

kind of afraid of something. i approached her and we started talking. she explained to me the situation and what she was going through. >> greta: did you at some point move in with her or marry her? >> yes. shortly after that occurred in the hospital where we met and we talked for i think probably two, three weeks, i asked her if she would accept my help to get away from mr. ariel castro. she accepted and she moved in with me, and the kids. >> did she ever call the police on him? >> she made police reports, yes. but to call them directly, no. >> greta: at some point so the two of you are living together and are you living with h her children with ariel? >> yeah, she was living with me and we had the four children.

ariel castro, jr., emily, angie and arlene. >> greta: later on as time marched on suddenly the community learns about the fact that there are these missing girls, one of whom is gena dejesus, is that right? >> yes, that's correct. >> greta: were you ever questioned about that disappearance? >> yes, he was. >> greta: explain what happened? >> i was at work as a security officer for international investigations at west 110th and lorraine plaza. i was told by my employer that the fbi wanted to talk with me and that they needed the patrol car i guess to check it out for any type of evidence. >> and did that happen? did you talk to them? >> yes, i did. i went with them downtown to

their field office and i was interviewed with them, yes. >> and were they asking you about the disappearance of gena? >> that's correct. they asked me if i knew gena, if she was ever with me in the house. was she ever in my vehicle. if i ever spent any time with gena. >> greta: why were you interviewed? who put your name in this? >> my thought is that mr. ariel castro had informed them that sense i was living with the girls and they were friends that they must have been around me and possibly had something to do with it at that point. >> greta: so ariel castro the guy who gets caught now with gena and the other two he is the one that sent the fbi out to talk to you? >> that's correct. >> greta: fernando, did you ever tell the fbi they should investigate ariel?

>> yes, did i. i told them to look into ariel castro. >> greta: did they do it? >> no, they did not. >> did you ever suspect ariel castro of having any involvement in gena's disappearance or the other two? >> let me put it this way. it did not surprise me that this did happen. i knew the type of person that ariel was. he is a very smart man. i also said he is like a psychologist, very possessive and very dangerous man according to everything that his ex-wife has told me. >> greta: did his ex-wife ever suspect him in the disappearance of the three? >> as far as i no, no, she never mentioned anything. >> greta: had you ever been inside the house? >> no, as far as i have been is to the front of the house. >> greta: so when you heard the other night that he was arrested, your thought, your first thought was what?

>> my first thought, i thanked god because for a long time i was saying that ariel caso was a very dangerous man. he had the opportunity and the means to get those girls. they disappeared in plain daylight with no struggle whatsoever. and also i felt very happy for my ex-wife as you know she passed and i took it as a revenge to her for everything that he did to her. >> greta: thank you very much. >> thank you. >> greta: and now to the neighbor who is being called a hero. charles ramsey hearing amanda barry's chilling screams for help and racing to the rescue. >> i was eating my mcdonald's and i hear some girl screaming so my neighbor he come across the street and i looking at him going across the street

wondering where he is going. he goes next door to my house and i look and see this girl and she's just going nuts on the door. i'm like what your problem you stuck just open the door are and she says i can't he got it locked. i looked how he has it and it is only enough to reach your are hand out to grab the mail and close the door and she naturally going to pry it open. that didn't work. so we had to kick open the bottom. nothing on that door was aaluminum. it was cheap. she climbed out with her daughter and went to my house and called 911. when the police get here she says there is three more girls up there and that is when gena -- and that is when gena dejesus and they brought two more girls out. >> you saw' manda barry and geena davis? >> ain't that something? >> did you know it was then. >> no, i ain't never seen. >> it was only when the police said. >> the detective told me who that was. i didn't know who that was. >> how did they look in what condition? >> oh, malnutrition. >> they didn't look good?

>> no, no. no, none of that. they weren't none of that. no gatorade or nothing. they looked like they hadn't been fed in a long time, bro. a long time. they were skin in when they come out of the house. we sue this dude every day. i mean every day. >> how long have you lived here? >> a year. i barbecue with this dude, we eat ribs and what not and listen to salsa music. >> you had no indication. >> not the a clue that that girl was in the house or anybody else was in there against their will. he just comes out to the the backyard and plays with the dog and kicking with the cars and motorcycles, goes back in the house. you look and look away because he is not doing nothing but the average stuff. you see he what i'm saying? nothing exciting about him. well, until today. >> greta: three girls now young women grabbed and held against their will right in the middle

of a cleveland neighborhood. neighbors are outraged by what was going on right under their noses. israel lugo tells us what he saw. sir. >> nice to meet you, ma'am.

>> i take her to the park uknow what i'm saying? it was a typical day. nothing,ing nothing, nothing. >> have you ever been in his house? >> no -- no. you can't foot a foot on his step. he didn't like that. he was very precative of his stuff over there -- >> weirdly so?

>> i -- i can't say really because i look at it that -- at first -- i was looking at it like -- he's got a bunch of trucks and cars and motorcycles and i -- that's what i thought. i never thought in a million years, i got these girls in my yard. that's my back yard. >> some people say he didn't live there. that it was boarded up and he would come and go and check on it. >> he would come, 9:30 in the morning, come out with the school bus with a big bag of mcdonald's and a bunch of sodeas. i was thinking, what is this man doing -- but -- he did this every day for a long time. 9:30, 10:00, take a bunch of food in the house and come right back and go back to work. he will come and jump on his motorcycle, take off, switch his whole clothes up and get a car or something, doing everything. >> did you ever hear any noise coming out of the house? >> 2011, my sister was walking home, it was late.

10:30 at night, somewhere around there. she was shaken up, terrified i. your sister. >> she told me -- i believe -- i believe i saw a lady's arms upstairs. i said ariel don't live with nobody. she said, could you check it out? i go over and there is plywood on the windows and bags all over the place. you can't see in around the house. i called the police, like she asked me. the cops came, maybe a half hour later or so, they pounded on the door. about 20 times. you know what i'm saying? 5, 6 minutes. no answer. they approached off the porch and went to the driveway and shined a light. and they got into -- into the car. and took off. >> when did you see ar amanda with a baby? >> when she first came out the house, running. >> that's the first you saw her? >> first i seen her face. i never knew that. >> that was the baby you had seen him with.

>> i saw him at the park. >> you must have just about fallen over. >> when i seen the baby out the house. that was the same child i saw at the park yesterday, playing with my daughter. for me to notice, thanksgiving the man, having these kids here all this time and i think i have a friend and a good neighbor and he turns out to be a piece of crap? how would you feel about that? >> not good. what would you like to say him to? >> me? >> yeah. >> he don't want me to tell him nothing. figo to prison, i am going to do yours and your brothers' worst nightmare. i won't put you -- i will put you [bleep] and [bleep] forever. >> did friends friends and famis clues and warning signs about ariel castro's evil, dark side. now a former band member and a close friend go "on the record."

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>> greta: three girls kidnapped and held hostage for ten years as they grow and become women. was any one ever suspicious of bus driver and band member ariel castro? tito says he played in a band with castro and was inside the house. what did he see there? here is what he told us. >> greta: tellle me, how long did you know him? >> roughly 20 years. >> greta: and during the 20 years anything remotely odd or like what has developed in the last 24 hours? >> not at all. seemed like a normal person, a normal musician as we call it because i never really dug deep into his personal life. maybe people don't want the personal life anybody's business and i respected that and it was music between us. >> greta: you are in a band together? >> yeah. >> greta: you have been inside his house? >> the first couple of years that i met him for rehearsal and everything. two years back i was moving out of my house and i sold him some

appliances and he took a bunch of stuff from my garage and said can you help me take some of this stuff home and i'm like sure no problem and we unloaded the appliances in the driveway and leave it here are and help me take the stuff inside the house. i got the as far as to the living room the beginning of the house and really didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. he had furniture and he had his instruments out there and he seemed pretty calm. he wanted me to chill out with him like he said and i said no i have to go, i have a performance, i really can't stay, i got to go. he seemed like normal. not knowing that possibly gina and the other two girls were there. >> greta: did he say he lived with any one? were his brothers there? >> ever since i have known him i have known him to be a loner. he was divorced. i have never seen him with a woman. >> greta: and in the house, no noise or anything that might indicate a woman was leving in the house?

>> no, not at all. >> greta: windows boarded at all. >> they weren't boarded. it was dim like maybe be somebody had the shades down or something. i kind of like really didn't notice because i didn't go in there looking for clues. i didn't know what was going on. i was there to help him out, not knowing that he was doing when was doing. when i found out yesterday it is just a shock to me. >> greta: the discovery of the three kidnapped young women stunning neighbors. one perez says he knew ariel castro for decades. the man he once called kind hearted he now calls a monster. we spoke with perez in cleveland. >> i have known him very well for 22 years. >> greta: the describe him. >> the way i knew him, he was a great guy, a nice guy. very impressionable. charismatic and very kind. and just kindhearted. you didn't feel a need to put your garden. you just were able to be

yourself. me as a kid growing up, i have a lot of friends that didn't have male role models that you know he could have filld that void if it they needed it. >> greta: are you surprised by this? did this stun you in light of how you think of him? >> yeah, i don't -- everything i just said is canceled. it was all a lie to cover up the monster that he really is. >> greta: it did he have odd hours or anything peculiar at all? >> the last two or three years i have seen him go in his house usually in the morning for about 20 minutes at a time but i he thought the house was vacant. i thought he was just going to make sure everything is okay and make sure no one broke in. i thought he lived another property. >> greta: why did you think that? >> because i never saw him around. i just saw him pass by. i saw the windows covered up and i thought it was just like the other houses that are empty. they are just empty. >> greta: were there lights on in the house at night? >> no. >> greta: so it looked completely vacant to you?

>> yes, it did. >> greta: why did you think that he just owned a vacant house or didn't try to sell it or live there? >> me personally? just off my thought, the property value may raise up with time. i thought he was being smart in not selling right now. >> greta: how did you hear there was something going on there it? where were you? >> we were outside with my nephew and we heard commotion outside and my nephew looked outside and he was like there is an ambulance and a bunch of cop cars outside. come out and there is like 20 cop cars and i see the hero ace call him because he is a hero, i see him talking very animated with the police officers. i thought he was in trouble. i don't know him that well. my first thought was the new guy on the block is in trouble. turns out he wasn't because i found out one of the police officers, lady officers had said to another officer can we get some waters for them in the

ambulance and i was like oh, okay, something else is going on and a cop came us to us and let us know what was going on and i hurry up and got up and ran to my mom and told her because she has been praying for those girls like they are h her own. >> greta: there is a little girl, too. do you know about that? >> a lot of people can't see a positive in this ugly situation besides that they are all okay but the negative situation something positive came out of it which is a new born 6-year-old baby, a precious child. that is a blessing from god. >> greta: coming up "on the record" is on the ground in cleveland. you will see what our team uncovered at the scene of each kidnapping. plus the legal panel is here. plus the legal panel is here. this is "on the get great deals on great gear at bass pro shops, like these ladies' gathered v neck shirts for under $10 men's summit ii cargo shorts for under $18 and the tourney pro casting combo for under $60 dollars.

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>> greta: three kidnapped girls now women all free. we went back to the scenes of all three kidnappings. >> michelle knight, who was threne 18 yearsole was last seen. no one knew what happened to her, where she went, whether she was dead or alive. she simply vanished. what is particularly interesting about this, about 8 months liter, about three blocks away, amanda berry was working at this burger king. she left that night-- the day before her birthday -- told her family she would be coming home. and her family hasn't heard from her in more than 10 years. but no one knew what happened to amanda berry. she vanished into thin air. this is wilbur wright elementary school. it was wilbur wright middle school, where gina dejesus went to school. it looks like a lovely place for

your child to go to school. but on that date, 2004, something dreadful happened. gina, a special education student, decided to walk home from school. she walk left the school and vanished, in broad daylight in areas that looked perfectly safe. this is where it happened, 2007 seymour street. if you look down the street, you can see the fbi is still processing the white houses where the three women and a young child apparently have been for many, many years. neighbors give all sorts of different stories. some neighbors describe the man who lived there, castro, as an ordinary guy. but the story that we hear from everybody is how surprised they were. they never in their wildest dreams believed that those three women would be held captive in that particular house. been on the investigation of the missing girls now women from almost the beginning. right after 14-year-old gina

dejesus vanished in 2004 we spoke with her cousin and cleveland police. >> what can you tell me about the investigation so far? >> well, so far there is no ties to any criminal activity. gina just kind of december thin air.ed into >> looking at this as an abduction or a runaway? >> we are hoping it is a runaway but could be an abduction. treating it on both sides of the fence there. >> greta: i take it that the family contacted all their friends to see whether gina made a call home or a call to them? >> they did that the first day when they fay that wily realized she wasn't coming home and her mother and father immediately started going out to all of her friends and calling people to find out where are she might be and nobody had seen her since she walked away from her last girlfriend on her way home. >> greta: the disappearances of

the three girls no you women also keeping cleveland reporters bessy for the last three years. julie kortright of ktm radio. nice to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> greta: the information about a cell phone, amanda's cell phone being used a short time after she dis' peered. what happened? >> well, about a week after she disappeared we were -- police were searching combing through the area and amanda's mother luanna received a call from amanda's cell phone and it was a man who said that he had amanda and they were married now and she would see her soon. and the cell phone was traced back just within maybe a mile from the seymour avenue address. and that is the last they heard from amanda. >> greta: did they follow up any clue on the cell phone

pinging at all do you know? >> i'm pretty sure that they did but you would think i mean it was so close to where these girls were found. it doesn't -- i don't -- they followed up but i don't know if they took it as seriously as they should have if they would have known. >> greta: what about the 2004 sketch? >> the 2004 sketch, now that was a someone who said they witnessed gina dejesus getting in a car with someone and that was a composite sketch that he gave and it turned out are yellery much like are yell castro. >> i understand there was a dig and a search for one of the young girls or young women and that ariel castro went to the dig. what happened?

>> he was going to the vigils. a prisoner claimd that he knew where the body of amanda bar arery was and it was within walking distance of the seymour avenue address. so investigators spent the entire day digging this empty lot. they didn't find anything and according to the witnesses they saw a man who looked very much like ariel castro who went up and was asking people if they found anything. >> and then finally the thing i wanted to ask you about a child left unattended in a bus and he was questioned. >> well, i don't know if he was ever questioned. that was in 2004. they actually police went to 2207 seymour and i'm pretty sure that was before gina was kidnapped but that was when amanda and michelle should have both been captive in the house

and he left the child unattended on the bus. police went up to the door. no criminal charges were filed. they decided that he had no criminal intent in that situation. >> greta: julie, thank you very much. i bet you are glad you have been working on this case a number of years so i bet you are very happy of the news. looks like it is over. thank you very much. >> completely. thank you. >> greta: will the state of ohio seek the death penalty? how can they prove murder all these years later. our panel investigates the charges he faces next. plus, clues surfacing for nearly a decade. was is right in front of them all along? did the fbi and local police ignore key evidence that could have cracked the case years ago? held hostage, ten years of terror, continues next. both maxwell and ted have hail damage to their cars. ted is trying to get a hold of his insurance agent. maxwell is not. he's on geico.com setting up an appointment

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and every act of sexual violence, rape, each day of kidnapping, every felonious assault all of his attempted murders and each act of aggravated murder he committed by terminating pregnancies that the offender perpetuated against the hostages during the decade long ordeal. >> greta: and the prosecutor confirms the charges could include the death penalty. also we now know for sure the dna is just back from the lab. it shows ariel castro is the father of amanda barry's 6-year-old child. joining us the legal panel. san francisco prosecutor jim hammerin and here in washington, dehe fence lawyer bernie grimm. he say he is going to charge for each day of kidnapping. >> is this one kidnapping. >> the good news is it doesn't matter such.

on the sexual assaults each rape is a separate crime. once you started the kidnap if you move that person from one room to the other i don't think it is a separate crime. the prosecutor could argue if the victims left the house and he forced them back into the house the key being into a place of greater danger. you could argue those are separate acts of kidnapping. >> why would you infect the issue with an appealable issue? if he had the women outside and brought them inside that is another count. in another room and forced them to go into another room that is. why he would you take the chance. stack all of the sexual assaults and now a possible murder and get what you want out of the guy. >> greta: he says he will charge each act of aggravated murder for are each pregnancy terminated as a result of his conduct. how does he prove that? enough for a woman to say it happened five times or three times or four times or need an eyewitness or some physical

evidence? >> no i mean -- go ahead, jim, i'm sorry. >> greta, we prosecute a lot of cases based upon the testimony simply of a victim. people commit crimes in secret for reason so there are no other witnesses and bernie and other defense attorneys go after and sometimes they are successful in undermining that. the testimony of one credible victim is plenty. >> greta: here is what i see as a problem. the victim says i was raped 15 times maybe it was only 10 times and becomes overwhelming to the jury to figure out because they have to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt. and a victim's memory whether it is 15 or 30 is regrettable -- >> greta. >> greta: what? >> yoyou are right. they have to identify the dates

she can remember and stick with those. >> greta: i think when said he will charge every charge. overwhelm the jury. pick the ones you can do. >> why would you take the dump truck approach. the jury will back there and say ten years that was the one that happened in 2011. try to get them in the the mindset of trying to remember the date as best you can although they are not watching tv or reading newspapers. i don't know why you would take that chance. have probably five to ten good felony rapes on him and hit him with those. >> greta: the death penalty based on aggravated murders based on the incidents on which you are relying on o the ground the recollection whether it is 10 or 15 or 30. the thoughts whether that willle be proveable to support a murder or death penalty? >> the interest legal issue in the case. we don't know the facts about how pregnant the victims allegedly were when allegedly we read beat them in the belly

to force the death of a child. i think the question is going to be in terms of legally is it fetucide under ohio law you that is up to 8 years or homicide. homicide in the course of a felony that is fellly murder and he could face the death penalty for that. >> greta: panel if you will stand by. straight ahead. did cleveland police and the fbi botch the case. clues, evidence, even phone calls. all pointing right that the house of horrors. the panel investigates, next. with the spark cash card from capital one... boris earns unlimited rewards for his small business. can i get the smith contract, ease? thank you. that's three new paper shredders. [ boris ] put 'em on my spark card. [ garth ] boris' small business earns 2% cash back on every pchase every day. great businesses deserve unlimited rewards. read back the chicken's testimony, please. "buk, buk, bukka!" [ male announcer ] get the spark business card from capital one and earn unlimited rewards.

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>> you have 20 swrsh 4, child services knocked on the door, nobody answered, they left. 2011, a woman said there were women in the back yard with chains on their necks. police came and knocked on the door and they left. somebody called and said there is a naked woman in the back yard. the police thought the woman was playing a joke. the police maintained none of these calls were ever made. >> jim your thoughts about all of this? >> have you to be just -- just furious and think this could have been prevented or stopped earlier. it is so like the j.c. dewgard

case. a girl, 11 years old, walked down the street, kidnapped. she spent 18 years as a prisoner this evil man, living in the back yard. he was on patrol, greta. several time, parole officers came to the door to do their parole inspection. never went in the house or the back yard. if they had, they would have found that young girl. she was raped and forced to father children and lived a nightmare for 18 years. she would have been freed many years earlier. people ought to look hard. when we get a call like that, do we force our way into the house and say, i want to see every room and make sure there is no woman or young child in danger. >> here's another clue. there was a call from amanda berry's telephone, a short time after she was kidnapped in a cell phone tower from seymour's street, apparently. that's another clue. that would have been a good hinted, amanda's cell phone and the seymour street. knock on some doors there. >> in situations like this, we

project and say, everybody's looking for a fault -- it's the police' fault. i am not one to react. this is a very, very difficult job. jim will tell you the same thing, to be a police officer. but there are six separate occasions, where somebody tried to say, there ising something unusual at this house. >> if they are sent there because something weird is going on and they knock on the door and get nothing, that's not doing the job. they are going out to see if there is anything wrong. that's giving up -- that's going to get a donut down the street at the 7-eleven or something. that's not hustling and doing your job. >> police officers, listen -- do good work every day, 99% of them do stellar work as my experience as a former prosecutor. the cases are rare, but not unheard of -- >> here's another clue they missed. the sketch in 2004. this sketch looks just like him. how many more clues? -- oi.o. >> yeah, when you listen to the early police accounts, you did

that interview, what? 10 years ago, people treated it like a missing persons case or a runaway when in fact, she was a sex slave and a prisoner. if people put more focus and looked at the clues and done an intensive thing, god help us -- she might have been freed five, six years ago. >> what happened? >> panel, thank you. >> coming up, new clues coming out of cleveland by the minute. our "on the record" special, held hostage, 10 years of terror continues. that's next. hostage, ten [ man ] on december 17, 1903, the wright brothers became the first in flight. [ goodall ] i think the most amazing thing is how like us these chimpanzees are. [ laughing ] [ woman ] can you hear me? and you hear your voice? oh, it's exciting! [ man ] touchdown confirmed. we're safe on mars. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ hi. [ baby fussing ] ♪

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