thanks for voting. don't worry if your favorite wasn't picked. they'll be posted. that's going to do it for me. make it a great day. >> a fox news alert on a new bombshell in the irs scandal as a top government watchdog official reveals that members of the obama administration were aware of the tax agency's inappropriate auditing of conservative political groups as early as june of last year. right in the heat of the 2012 election season. hello, everyone. i'm kelly wright. >> what a week, kelly. big story and there is so much more. hi, everybody. i'm jamie colby. we welcome you to a brand-new hour inside america's news headquarters. kelly referring, treasury inspector general jay russell george testified during yesterday's first congressional hearing into that scandal, saying specifically that he alerted senior officials at the treasury department about what was going on.

>> i subsequently alerted the general counsel of the department of the treasury on june 4 and subsequently, and i do not have the exact date -- alerted the deputy secretary, neil wollen, about this matter. >> those are just the latest revelations, raising more questions about what the obama administration knew about the irs controversy and when. molly henneberg live in washington. hi, molly. >> hi, jamie and kelly. the treasury inspector general may have known in june 2012, the deputy treasury secretary may have been informed then about the allegations as well. but treasury secretary jack lew, who took over as treasury earlier this year, said he learned most of the details about the targeting about a week ago. what's not clear is if anyone relayed that information in 2012 or 2013 about the tax agency baring down on conservative groups to the white house.

and who decided to start that targeting in the first place. meanwhile, republicans also are raising questions about sarah hall ingram, a top irs official who was the head of the irs's tax exempt division while this targeting was going on. here you can see her bonuses and salaries during the time that conservative groups were feeling the heat from the tax agency. now ingram is in charge of the irs's office that will implement obamacare, monitoring everyone's health insurance and taxes and fines associated with the health care law. and that worries some in the gop. >> she provided horrendous customer service under her watch and now she's going to do the same implementing obamacare. swell. this is the perfect -- this is a perfect example of why we need tax reform. >> but democrats say ingram's successor did not find out about the targeting until six months after. ingram was reassigned to the obamacare division and say it's

unfair to suggest she had anything to do with the targeting. >> you're satisfied with miss ingram being in charge of the irs responsibilities now? >> i have heard that i don't know personally, but i've heard that she has a high degree of professionalism and that she was not in a position of responsibility over these actions. >> democratic congressman sandra levin said there is no evidence that ingram had, quote, any inkling of the problems in that tax exempt division that she used to head. jamie and kelly. >> molly henneberg, thank you so much. much more on this story coming up. kelly? >> thank you. members of the group who say they were singled out by the irs and had their tax exempt status either severely delayed or denied all together are now taking their case to court. american center for law and justice executive director majorrerren sekulow, who represents more than a dozen of these tea party groups, says he will likely file a civil suit next wednesday or thursday.

listen. >> they suffered damages. they lost membership and donations. they missed the election cycle. they missed key moments. they were not able to bring speakers in. so the irs, this is far from over. >> sekulow adds it's still unclear whether the case will be filed as a class action suit or individually in the 17 different states where the complaints originate. >> coming up later in this program, we're going to speak with republican congressman james languageford of oklahoma who will be taking part in another upcoming hearing into the irs scandal about what his committee is hoping to uncover. new details in another scandal consuming the white house, a congressional panel trying to determine if there was some sort of cover-up in the days after the deadly attack at the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. the chair of the oversight committee is demanding that retired ambassador thomas pickering testify behind closed doors. pickering headed up an internal

review of the state department following that terrorist attack. elizabeth prann now following the latest developments. she joins us in washington live. good to see you. >> you, too. that request coming from the chairman of the house oversight committee. he did so in the form of a letter, one of many. but this week, however, it includes a subpoena to the co-chair of the independent review board known as arb that investigated the september 11 terrorist attack in benghazi. darrell issa is speaking more transparency into what happened that day, writing in part to ambassador pickering, the arb worked behind closed doors. it did not record its interviews, even now, months after the arb report was released, the arb's investigative process has remained opaque. darrell issa and other republicans want him to appear on capitol hill on thursday. >> i also want to know who he talked to. i want to know if he talked to alt survivors. uma, there are people with firsthand knowledge. i don't mean congressmen and ambassadors. there were people on the ground

in benghazi and know exactly what happened with respect to all three raunches. >> the committee senior democrat issuing his own statement. quote, the subpoena is a stock example of republican overreach and the shameful politicalization of this tragedy. republicans remain focused on getting more information, explaining what happened that night. they want to review video surveillance and fill in the gap between the consulate attack and the white house talking points e-mail release which occurred this week. john boehner is urging the administration to be completely transparent and reveal all communications in the hours immediately after the attack. kelly, back to you. >> elizabeth prann reporting from washington today. >> meanwhile, the president and the administration officials are already trying to tamp down and move on quickly from the developing scandals that are engulfs the white house. the white house chief of staff telling staffers in the west wing, listen to this: that he expects them to spend no more than 10% of their time on the

controversy. is that even possible? let's ask matt, a former white house political director under president george w. bush and mark, democratic analyst and former campaign aide for john kerry and barak obama. gentlemen, good morning or good afternoon, welcome. >> thanks. >> matt, let me ask you about this statement from the chief of staff saying we have other things to do. can you really just focus 10% of your attention on all of this? it's not just the irs. it's benghazi. it's others. >> yeah, if you think about most of the staffers in the white house complex are there to support the president and his policy agenda and his reputation and with the press. so it won't be 10% of their time that will be spent on this scandal. it's more like 90% of their time that will be spent on this scandal. the problem is there is no scandal. there are scandals. they did an effective job under the administration at pushing these disclosures past the election date. the problem with being so effective in pushing them past

the election date is that each one of these very serious policy questions and oversight questions is now hitting at the same time right at the time when the president would like to pivot and actual lea have a second term agenda. i can't say in the strongest terms how serious this is in terms of barak obama's second term. if he could get out of this, i think he'll see a second term that accomplishes very little. >> mark, the other things on president obama's agenda are important adds well. he wants to implement obamacare. he wants to provide jobs. here is what he had to say this week. i want to ask you about it. >> others may get distracted by chasing every pleading issue that passes by. but the middle class will always be my number one focus, period. your job, your family, your communities. that's why i ran for president. >> mark, my question is, is the middle class not affected? are you willing to say by the irs situation, if they were a tea party or patriot donator, or

the benghazi situation where four americans were killed? >> the middle class in america is deeply affected by our national security and integrity of our irs that's why the president took decisive action this week, firing the head of the irs and is launching now three different investigations. the one is being launched through congress. you've got another investigation and doj criminal investigation into the irs. i think the president shares american's outrage at what's happening now and is channeling that outrage and taking decisive action. i also think one thing matt said is really smart, that the president is trying to pivot. americans -- >> why is it smart? >> sure. americans aren't as obsessed as maybe we in the punditry class are maybe with these different controversies. they want to know that their job is secure. they want to know that we're going to be able to get to a balanced budget eventually. they want to know, for example that, our national security is being restored with new

legislation that protects our embassy personnel, that protects our consulate personnel and republicans and congress would want nothing more than to continue this side show and distract the presidency from doing the work he was elected to do. >> you seem to suggest then, mark, and i understand that you have worked in the administration for the president, that the american public isn't concerned about transparency, which is something that the president really talked so much about in the campaign. so matt, let me ask you, the latest twist seems to be that the administration may have known or the irs may have known during the campaign season that these groups were being targeted, groups that may have not supported the president or his platform. how is that impacted? >> there is no may here. it's very clear that the president's pick to be the general counsel at the department of treasury and deputy secretary of department of treasury were told about this

i.g. investigation. it probably also means they knew of potential wrongdoing even before that investigation was initiated. so now we have this whole conversation about how far up the chain this information went. if anything inappropriate was done. the problem here is the question of timing. clearly the number one goal of the first term of the obama administration was to get a second term and having these embarrassing revelations come out before election day would have had a negative impact on their chances. they did everything they could to delay these findings and we're going to find out, look, i'm not going to make an allegation. we'll find out. >> let me jump to mark. mark, you mentioned that the investigations are ongoing, the president has called for answers. this we know. the question i have is this other latest twist, that the person that was responsible for giving these exemptions and directing more investigation or tougher standards on those

conservative groups has now been put in charge of implementing obamacare. your comments. >> right. my comments are if you think that for a moment that the president or the chief of staff have knowledge of every federal employee and where they're appointed or if every capitol police officer that shows up late for work somehow -- is a responsibility of the president, no. look. >> please. >> this is important and in thank is why this is important. our economy is rebounding, but not very fast. we want all americans for this job growth to occur. we want for national security. we need to focus on the very real challenges our country faces collectively and so this hasn't been the best week for the administration politically, but i think the president has handled it well. any time he addressed this head on, he released 100 e-mails that -- to show transparency and demonstrate to walk the walk when you talk the talk of transparency. and you have republicans in congress --

>> how about when this occurred? >> fabricated and misled the american people. why aren't we focused on this? >> guys, i got to leave it there. i appreciate that both of you have made the point on both sides. everybody is look for answers. it's a great concern and we will follow all the developments with you as well. thanks. >> thank you. >> kelly? >> something else, we are tracking some new tensions on the korean peninsula. why north korea has reportedly missiles.fired three short >> fox news obtaining a classified report about the pakinstani doctor who helped the u.s. track down osama bin laden. was his plea for help denied by the united states? >> plus, congress scheduling another hearing into the irs audit scandal. coming up, we will speak to a member of the house oversight and government reform committee about what they're hoping to uncover. we'd ever grown togeth was a record collection.

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>> jamie: welcome back. it's time for a look at the other developing stories this hour. south korea reporting north korea test fired three short-range missiles. a senior u.s. defense official confirming some nonprovocative testing. recently north korea moved two missiles believed to be capable of reaching guam.

a classified report from the pakinstani government obtained by fox news revealing that the pakinstani doctor who helped the u.s. track down osama bin laden was convicted on bogus charges. the report also showing the doctor was denied, denied political asylum in the u.s. the ntsb is investigating the scene of the train collision in connecticut that injured 70. listen to this passenger describe the rush hour crash. >> kind of in and out of consciousness. kept asking the same question over and over again. i kept telling her, we're on the train. it crashed. >> jamie: over 700 people on those trains. three of the injured remain in critical condition. >> kelly: the nation's mid section under severe weather threat right now and several states, including nebraska, kansas and oklahoma being threatened by possible tornadoes. meteorologist janis dean is live

on the fox extreme weather center. this is something that's very disturbing. >> yeah. the video that we got in from texas earlier this week, the same set-up could bring us the risk for large destructive, long-lasting tornadoes not only today, but tomorrow and into monday. unfortunately, the worst of the weather could come in the overnight hours when people are sleeping. so if you live across the central plains, we call it tornado alley. people are used to this kind of weather. unfortunately, we're going to have a severe weather set-up very reminiscent of the type of outbreaks that we see in this area in the month of may. so the set-up that we have, we have that warm moist flow from the gulf of mexico, surface winds from the south, and then we have a very strong upper level jet stream giving us winds from the west. our sharp trough and the low coming out of the rockies. so classic set-up for tornadoes, unfortunately. we could see dozens of them in the next several days. another main ingredient is the very warm unstable air mass we have ahead of this storm.

we'll see record highs in places like texas up through oklahoma. 94 in san antonio. behind it, much cooler air mass. so again, all of the ingredients are setting up. we've got a lot of moisture, lot of instability in the atmosphere. that will give us our set-up today, tomorrow, sunday and monday. a lot of risk from north texas to the midwest to this red shaded area where we think all of the ingredient also set up for destructive, perhaps life-threatening weather. then into sunday, oklahoma city, wichita, kansas city, in red here, but anywhere from north texas up to minneapolis, you still need to be on your guard for severe weather. this is going to continue even into monday, from dallas through green bay and indianapolis. slow moving storm system with a lot of punch. we're going to see the potential for mail, damaging winds and yes, even tornadoes. again, tonight through the overnight, keep your noah weather radios on because the sirens will go off.

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>> who is responsible for targeting the conservative organization? >> so again, and i think if you look at the report, it answers your question. >> there are no names in the inspector general's report. so i'm asking you not only as the acting commissioner, but as the deputy commissioner over this organization, who is responsible for targeting these individuals? >> i don't have names for you, mr. brady. i'm willing to try to find that out. >> kelly: one of the many heated exchanges during last week's first of many congressional hearings into the irs scandal. lawmakers trying to get to the bottom of one simple question, just who is responsible? here is more of that hearing yesterday. take a listen. >> this has to do with highly targeted groups, this reconfirms

everything that the american public believes. this is a huge blow to the faith and trust the american people have in their government. is there any limit to the scope of where you folks can go? is there anything at all? is there any way that we could ask you, is there any question you should have asked? my goodness, how much money do you have in your wallet? who do you get e mails from? this is a tax question? you don't think that's intimidating? it sure as hell is intimidating and i don't know that i got any answers from you today and i don't know that -- what mr. george has done is great work, but there is a heck of a lot more that has to come out and anybody to sit here today and listen to what you have to say, i am more concerned today than i was before and the fact that you all can do just about anything you want to anybody, you know you can put anybody out of business that you want any time you want. i got to tell you, you talk about you're a horribly run

organization, if you're on the other side of the fence, you're not given that excuse. when the irs comes in, you're not allowed to be shoddy or run horribly. you're not allowed to do one damn thing that doesn't come in compliance. if you do, you're held responsible right then. i just think the american people have seen what's going on right now in their government. this is absolutely an overreach and this is an outrage for all america. i yield back. [ applause ] >> mr. griffin is recognized for five minutes. thank you. >> kelly: that's just a little bit of the fireworks that took place on friday. the next hearing on the irs controversy will be held on wednesday by the house government oversight and government reform committee, i should say. so joining us now is republican congressman james langford of oklahoma. he's a member of that committee. congressman, your colleague is right on point even winning applause. a lot of people who get in trouble with the irs better have

some answers when the irs comes knocking on their door. otherwise they're going to face all kinds of retribution. so when you have a hearing, especially of this magnitude and steven miller comes apparently unprepared, what's your reaction to what you saw yesterday? >> this is typical from the administration. this is the way they play it. they say, we didn't get the information. we weren't aware of it. we're still investigating it. and it's a constant slow walk. what really occurred in this situation was nonprofit groups that were conservative made an application. they were asked for a lot of additional paperwork that liberal groups were not asked for and they were never given an answer. this is the pattern of this administration. multiple agencies do it. it's as clear as things like the keystone pipeline. there are people talking about the keystone pipeline say why is that such a big deal? that's exactly what it is. every previous administration has -- this one constantly asks for more paperwork and delays in giving an answer. they don't say no, they just never give an answer.

it's epa, it's in the department of education. it's in the state department. it's in the irs. this is not some isolated event. this is the latest of multiple event of where they decide they don't like something, so they just delay and never give you an answer to be able to control things. >> kelly: can you imagine someone doing that to the irs when they're facing trouble? >> no. no. if you have a situation with the irs, you have to get it in right now and there are no excuses. they don't have to abide by the same rules. >> kelly: you pay hefty fines or risk going to jail. congressman, we now know through testimony given before the house ways and means committee that jay russell george, treasury inspector general for tax administration, that he informed the treasury department, the inspector general was actually reviewing the irs case and that he of the 2012 election campaign. so are you concerned the obama administration may have known about all this, about these irs practices earlier than what they've testified to? >> there is no question the

administration. people in the administration knew. they're always trying to point it back to did the president know? we're not going to know on that. there is not going to be some e-mail that says, mr. president, here is how we're targeting tea party groups. they're more careful than that. back channels in the, who the administration and others o'clock probably so. this kind of explosive thing that occurred once the i.g. reports starts to go, someone is going to let everyone know. hey, this is now being investigated and yes, there are some, as the president would say, there is some there there in this situation. >> kelly: and meantime, sarah hall ingram, who once ran the irs tax exempt office, which is accused in this matter of singling out conservative groups is now in charge, as you know, sir, of the irs handling the implementatiobamacare. she is responsible for making sure that working people buy health insurance or provide it with government subsidies if they can afford it. do you think she should be the one in that leadership position? >> these were low level folks in cincinnati when it first came

out and it was isolated. now we find out it was not only management, but she was bonussed heavily during this time period for doing a good job. and then moved from that job to the job of running the obamacare for the irs. what qualified her for that promotion? why -- did she do such a good job for the administration in the nonprofit area that she was recognized and say, we now need to you move to the obamacare? we're going to have to find out. there's a lot of questions there. but we need to know who else was applying for the same job. what were the qualifieses -- qualifications. here is our new priority take on this one. >> kelly: all right. the president and the white house say they were not aware of the irs targeting any group or any investigation. the president even expressed outrage over it. the issue, though, are you satisfied with explanations given from the president as well as from the white house over this matter, as well as other scandals? we're look at benghazi, looking

at the associated press and the justice department. are you satisfied with the way the white house is responding to either of these scandals? >> every scandal they walk into, they do the exact same thing, this slow walk it. they'll dump a bunch of documents that is publicly available and say we gave you 1,000 pages, things off the web site or publicly available or a few documents, but not the documents that we asked for. and then they'll delay. realize, we still have a contempt of congress out with eric holding over fast and furious because they still have not turned the documents over that their internal investigation did. they've still not turned those documents over to congress. this is an administration that feels like they're above the law. the clearest example of this is the nlrb and nonrecess, recess appointments. they put people in place that never had been through the constitutional process and then do all these things, two different courts have said that's unconstitutional. you can't do that. you have to stop. they keep going. this pattern has to stop. >> kelly: what are we going to see from your committee next week, sir? >> we're going to continue to

press for names. we're going to press for the documents. everything the irs does is heavily documented. if those documents are missing, there has got to be a reason for certain documents to be missing. we want to know what is the paper trail and what people were connected to it, who made the decisions and why were those decisions made and why specifically were conservative groups targeted out, liberal groups were expedited. >> kelly: congressman, we thank you for joining us this afternoon. i know you took some time off to do that. we appreciate you spending your saturday with us. have a good day. >> glad to be with you, thanks. >> kelly: it continues. >> jamie: i mentioned there's a possible break in the case of madeline mccann, the investigation i guess has been ongoing. certainly that case grabbed national attention. a little girl six years ago, four years old from britain vanishing from her family's vacation home in portugal and now scotland yard is saying it has new leads. we have the latest details just ahead. >> kelly: we want to follow that. plus o. j. simpson's former defense attorney with some damaging testimony in the former

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>> jamie: more on those stunning new developments in the case of the missing british girl, madeline mccann. investigators in the u.s. or u.k. rather, say they have identified a number of people of interest after they rereviewed the case. madeline vanishing from her family's vacation apartment in portugal back in 2007.

her parents had gone out to dinner and left her in the room. she was four years old at the time. police initially did suspect her parents were involved, but the couple was cleared in 2008. we're keeping an eye on the case for you. more as we get it. >> kelly: some surprising new testimony in o. j. simpson's hearing to get a new trial on his armed robbery conviction. simpson's former defense attorney taking the witness stand telling the judge what simpson knew about that night in a las vegas hotel room back in 2008, you'll recall. dominic deany tool with more from our los angeles bureau. >> it was a week of courtroom drama like we haven't seen in quite a long time. we certainly watched o.j. appear before a judge many times previously, but this week was the first time he had ever taken the stand and testified in his own defense. on wednesday, he was allowed one hand to be unshackled to explain evidence presented to demonstrate how his former attorney had poorly represented

him in that 2008 case. that case centered around charges of theft and taking hostages at gun point in the vegas hotel room. as o.j. tried apparently to reclaim valuable personal memorabilia. the former nfl star's central argument is galanter knew in advance he was going to try and take back his stuff and hence, was given bad advice. >> you think you were acting legally? >> yes, i do. >> and why is that? >> well, my stuff. i followed what i thought the law and my lawyer told me. >> he challenged both the defendant and the judge flew into a rage at that accusation. >> did mr. simpson never told me the night before that he was going to go into the palace station with a bunch of thugs that he asked to bring guns, keep people in a room and

forcibly take his property back. and the insinuation that i would have blessed it or anybody else would w a license to practice law would have blessed it is insane. >> you could really see him fuming there. it wasn't -- it was an incredible exchange, rounding out a week of fireworks. with no jury, the judge's decision is expected in the next couple of weeks and experts seem to think o. j. simpson has a good chance of getting a new trial. back to you. >> kelly: thanks so much. >> jamie: we have to take a closer look at what this means for o. j. simpson. what does it mean for galanter. let's bring in our panel. david schwartz, also criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, two of the folks i would call if i were in trouble. good to have you both here. >> thank you. >> jamie: rebecca, how thigh hay is the standard -- high is the standard to prove that a lawyer has been ineffective? >> it's a very high standard and i think what we're look at here is o.j. making a very desperate attempt that really doesn't make

any rational sense. the idea that yale galanter would actually tell him to commit a crime because as we know, what o.j. did, going into a hotel room armed subject to being disbarred and being put in jail for conspiracy of criminal behavior is outrageous. >> jamie: so you're saying it's probably not worth the risk. we are even under as attorneys an obligation if we know a client is going to commit a crime to notify authorities? >> absolutely. >> jamie: david, there are three things that o.j. is saying. one, i was told not to take the stand. i wasn't really given a choice. two, there were plea deals on the table, i wasn't informed of. three, he is saying that his

attorney told him to go ahead and commit the crime. and the other one i had was, yeah, that his attorney said to go for it. there was also local counsel that was on the team, second chair probably, 'cause i don't believe yale was admitted in that state. so the question is why bring the case at all? it seems to me there is a risk for o.j he's up for parole in a couple of years and the things that are coming out may not be helpful in that hearing. >> that's true. but he's the one that's sitting in jail right now. certainly he has a right to bring the argument and i think criminal defendant should have the right to do that. so i think any of those three items will rise to the level of ineffective assistance of counsel? absolutely not. when you look at the strickland case, united states supreme court case, there have been lawyers that have fallen asleep. there have been lawyers that have been on drugs. there have been lawyers that have been under the influence of alcohol during the trial, and those were still determined to be effective assistance of

counsel. >> jamie: that is such an interesting analysis and good information on this. so now, david, you heard o.j., i want to ask both of you on the stand, how compelling a witness is he now? how compelling would he have been if, in fact, it made sense for him to take the stand? >> i agree rebecca on that stand to accuse your attorney of a serious crime like that, you better have the evidence and you better have the back up. so if it's just o.j.'s word versus yale galanter's word, yale galanter is going to win the day. he's a credible attorney. he happened to do a very nice job during that trial and certainly he was effective during that case and i wouldn't give his testimony any credibility whatsoever. that's o.j. >> jamie: the judge will value all the evidence. that's clearly your opinion. rebecca, i'll ask you as well, how would o.j. prove that yale galanter told him, go and get your stuff and knowingly that there were weapons involved, o.j. was going to ask for guns, let him go he had and do that. how does he prove it?

>> he doesn't prove it. it becomes his word against galanter's word. in a normal case you say, well, we're going to weigh it fairly. but in this case, you have o. j. simpson who has been clearly problematic over the course of time. >> jamie: can i bring up one more thing? >> absolutely. >> jamie: before we go, a lot of people say that he's in prison right now not for going and grabbing his memorabilia, but because they believe he killed his wife and her friend. so the question is, could he have made an argument that there was some prejudice against him for sentencing due to a prior crime? >> he could have made that argument, but the jury came to a conclusion that he was guilty on these counts. so any argument that he may make in that vein doesn't really hold any water in a court of law. it may be all of his publicity and all of his nonsense, but the reality is, we had jurors who decided fairly. i am sure, i go to court every day. i select juries. jurors want to do the right thing in every case. they did not punish him.

>> jamie: we thank the jurors for their service. david, i wish i had more time, but i know you'll follow it and please come back. >> absolutely. >> jamie: have a great day. kelly? >> kelly: i got a question for you, can you put the salt shaker back on the kitchen table? it turns out that salt may not be so bad for you after all. dr. spotty will explain. and do you have your ticket? powerball could make you an instant multi-millionaire. just remember to share it with me.

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we're just confusing more and mo one week we say like no salt and now we say salt is actually good for you. so you got to be cautious. both of them, american heart association and this institute of medicine agreed that if you're over the age of 50, african-americans, blood pressure, diabetes, make sure that you stick to 1500-milligrams. how much is that of salt? it's about half a teaspoon. average americans today are using about 3400-milligrams. double the amount. and basically with just a hamburger, french fries and one lunch, you can get about your 1500-milligram of salt. >> kelly: that's the point. there is already salt in enough of the food that we consume on a daily basis. so then i read this study and think, i'm not going to trust that because it's detrimental to my health if i put the salt back on the table and sartre using it. >> you're absolutely right. the truth is in the processed food and all the bread and pizza and soup and all these other,

you're ready getting enough amount of salt. that's what makes the food actually tastier. so you're right. the message you should be telling everybody is, get rid of that salt because you're getting enough. if you're going to started aing to it, that's when we're going to get to that 3400. we know that too much salt is going to increase your triglyceride and make your insulin resistant. then you have obesity and stroke. forget about it. it's not worth it. as it is, you're getting enough amount of salt and i agree with you. i think this is going to be confusing and the good thing is that american heart association is a little angry. they're still holding their stand saying 1500-milligrams is and we're not going to budge. too much salt is not good for you. everybody knows that. i think this is just the study that's done by the government and their excuse is that you need a little salt to be able to function. i'm not worried about it. we're getting enough of it. so my message to a lot of people out there is no salt on the table. you're getting enough. >> kelly: it's not mary poppins

just a spoon full of sugar. >> jamie: i got a suggestion. you can not eat french fries without salt. so you got to cut the french fries. >> that's the start. that's a way to go. i'm glad you have a great voice. you're right. sugar a whole debate. mayor bloomberg is getting involved. i'm sure he's gog get involved with this also. but salt is really -- once you have the blood pressure and your hormones are going to kick in, that's what you have heart disease. number 3400 hasn't really changed over the decade. despite everything we've done. so i think this is just going to confuse a lot of people. just because they're saying there is not enough data that less than 3400 will help you, it doesn't people -- >> kelly: hopefully you made it clear. >> jamie: tomorrow we have so many great topics but on the salt issue, look at the processed foods and see what's in their. we're going to have much more tomorrow not only dr. samadi,

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>> this week on the journal editorial report, the irs under fire over its targeting of conservative groups. it's the very same agency ramping up for the obamacare rollout. could the taxman soon be playing politics with your health insurance? plus, a leak investigation has the press corp in an uproar. the administration says american lives were at risk. but is that reason enough? >> inexcusable and americans have a right to be angry about it and i am angry about it. i will not tolerate this kind of behavior in any agency, but especially in the i