>>. this is stylistic change to take out all references to previous terror threats in benghazi. >> you know your initial calculations involved at the white house was mischaracterization to the extent the white house is involved. >> i think -- >> this is separate issue. tell the press from the podium

instead of having this background and not the whole thing. >> so, again, what role did the white house play, main but in correcting changes. >> jon: not a good week to be jay carney. he did tell piers morgan he has enjoyed the intensity of dealing with reporters' questions. back to a guy that have dealt questions in the past. rick, what should the media be asking on this? are they doing enough? >> they don't understand the process. i literally been in hundreds of these email chain conversations about talking points. here is the number one rule. most of intelligence officers who are chiming in, they usually only talking about facts. they don't talk about spin and rarely comment. if they don't sign off on the

final talking points, then you have a disagreement. here you have a disagreement because you would not take this whole issue deputy meeting at a white house if all the agencies agreed. the agencies clearly didn't agree so they had to take it to deputies' meeting. i think the reporters have to find out who signed on off and what was said on the conference calls with spokespeople that generally happen regularly almost every day. >> jon: then you have the president saying there is no there. is that spin working. >> it's not working and it's not working in part because they don't know how to packing tauk about this stuff because the lack of engagement in the press. if a fitzwater fits water that knew how to manage problems like this that would solve the messaging part of it. >> ellen ratner declared this as

a dysfunctional family. we need psychiatric intervention if there is no there why did they redacted from the documents. i was told by blank, it would be interesting to find out who that was. >> the big question is jay carney lying? is he manipulating the truth or is he simply repeating what he has been told by high administration officials including the president? that is key. if carney is spinning on his own he ought to be out of there. if he is repeating the lies he ought to be out of there anyway. >> i was kind of amazed how he handled one of the most terrible awful week for him for anyone there. i'm not sorry for him. however, he did say he appreciated the question more than a hundred times in one press briefing. there is amazing.

the question about benghazi remain the same. with or without those emails. what did the president know, what did hillary know, who signed off on the standdown order, those questions aren't going away. >> holder doesn't know anything. president doesn't know anything. this reminds me of white water. i don't know. i can't recall. i don't remember. i wasn't there. she wasn't there for anything. nobody knows anything. >> judy raised question, what happened in libya. what actually transpired there which is much more important of the nuance of redacted emails. >> jon: i made the point that every administration has a disdainful relationship with the press but you had had thoughts on that? >> it's harder to cover the washington bureaucracy than in any administration in decades. they follow you around whether

the treasury department or the epa. they don't give people access to the bureaucracy in any meaningful way. as a reporter in that environment i know how important access is and every reporter complains about this. >> jon: let's take a look how one of the best known reporters used the sum totaled of these scandals. here is what dan rather had to say. >> the republicans must be slapping high fives behind closed doors. they have three things. number one, their agenda item is to stop president obama from accomplishing anything in the second term. this aids that. number two, they have the eye on the next congressional elections 2014, many republicans in congress are getting things from the tea party and now they have sol gator and, by the way, with the benghazi thing they managed to damage hillary clinton's chances of getting the

nomination. >> jon: it sounds like, according to mr. rather, it's all political? >> yeah. i'm sitting, we should go back to 30 years and how he spun so many stories from the past. he views everything through politics. it's no wonder that we have a new system of media. i think that these people who pretend to be unbiased journalists have been defrocked. now see they are just as biased as anybody else. dan rather, it really shows he is not a journalist, he is an advocate for 30 years. >> the thing that transcends journalism, the four dead americans in libya and second, this has gotten lost -- the christian egyptian american who went to jail basically for mohammad video and was perfectly

happen to say six days after he testified, president went to the u.n. the video is still in jail. >> and bunch of deputies raided his house during the night. say what you will about rather but people's built to read the emails and all the kinds of new organizations, breitbart, this stuff can't stay bottled up too long. that is good news. >> here is the real problem. if you listen to dan's comments, it's the same old story. who is up, who is down, who is going to win the next election. not truth, not finding solutions to problems. not repairing anything. it's all about the horse race. this is the primary thing that turns people off the media and the government. >> jon: good point. next on news watch the verdict comes in and so did the media. >> the media finally show up to the gosnell murder trial. did it matter?

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>> it is gruesome. i thought one of the enlightening pieces of information that came out of the trial was the pro-choice reporter who went into cover it. after hearing some of the testimony, she said the gruesome details, changed his mind and became pro-life. that is one of the major missing elements to this now 30 plus old debate about abortion and choice. we haven't seen the pictures. we seen the pictures, holocaust victims. pictures about mass murders and vietnam and all the rest. these have affected and impacted public policy, but we still don't see adequately what is going behind the closed doors of abortion clinics. >> jon: is this a one off or going to affect the way it gets covered? >> probably the mainstream media will recover from the shock of this. there will be few losses that switch over to pro-life. look, a lot of mainstream media were referred to dead babies as

fetuses. even though they were born -- we'll have to waited to see if it rises to hate crime. then there will be plays and special documentaries. >> jon: we talked about some journalists the details of this were too gruesome to discuss, therefore, that gives them a pass not to report the story. is that the way they think? >> one of the most powerful tools that the media has is to purposely ignore a story. this is what absolutely has happened in the gosnell case. take abc, ben sherwood sherwood gave them a blackout at abc. it took them 56 days to dov the gosnell trial. this was after there was verdict. what is going on at abc? this is huge story with public policy implications, death.

it's unbelievable that abc news can't bring themselves to cover it for 56 days. >> i think it's a tragic story but not huge story. i don't think there is a press story, other than the press being busy, this taking place in philadelphia. not enough manpower and not a typical national media story. >> everybody is on jodi arias. >> the press is caught up. the press was late, derelict but not a big media story. >> i compare it to rodney king. that was solid news for a year. >> this is different. you don't know that gosnell is one off event or is it part of a pattern of abuse. does this go on all the time any have to agree until i see evidence to the contrary. >> 55 million dead babies and counting. that is a lot of potential taxpayers. >> jon: the question is anybody knocking on doors at other clinics and asking, is this kind

of thing happening in your back room. >> as we all know the media are busy these days. >> in 40 years of 60 minutes, late mike wallace barged his way into an abortion clinic? i don't think so. >> jon: this guy is back in the news, o.j. simpson. hoo-hoo. hoo-hoo...hoo-hoo. hoo-hoo hoo. sir... i'll get it together i promise... heeheehee. jimmy: ronny, how happy are folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico? ronny:i'd say happier than the pillsbury doughboy on his way to a baking convention. get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.

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>>. do you think you were asking what you were doing? >> yes, i did. >> why is that? >> my stuff, i follow what i felt the law and my lawyer told me.

i didn't break into anybody's room. i didn't beat up anybody. i didn't try to muscle the guys. i didn't. the guy acknowledged it was my stuff. years ago they claim that. >> jon: o.j. simpson said he did nothing illegal on the night of 2007 casino hotel robbery. he is currently serving time at a nevada stated penitentiary after his conviction in october 2008 on charges of armed robbery assault and kidnapping. simpson is looking for a retrial on grounds his lawyer, he claims had botched his defense. so we're back to o.j. again. he is media magnet. why? >> he a media magnet because he a celebrated person that have been tried for murder. that is enough right there to keep him on front pages of the publications of the grocery store line.

we can't get enough of him. some of us at the table hope we hear less of him. fame is all it takes? >> he was a famous guy on the tape there, he said he is innocent. and jury believed him. why are we doing this? >> jon: media were not so kind to him this time. the "new york post", o.j. does lard time. that was their headline. daily news in new york also wrote, grow j., he put 40 pounds in prison. you as a football fan as you are. >> so that i am, and i think that if he does get a new trial, they are going to have whole another round of o.j. and many legal experts think he deserves one. >> one of the interesting lines,

that o.j. was complaining about the tabloidsporting. they actually reported that i've been cut up. if i were o.j. i would not be using that as metaphor what he did in wife and what happened he did to his wife and ron. >> i was there when he was acquitted in the first trial on the west coast. o.j. simpson coming back, part two? >> yeah, i think is no question. he probably deserves a new trial this time. let's face it. we're still trying to prosecute him for the first one when he he was acquitted. we felt like he shouldn't have been acquitted. all the mayhem is is really another trial. >> three young girls who were abducted allegedly by ariel castro. he is also accused of raping the

girls and killing some of their offspring. his lawyer had this to say. the initialing portrayal by the media has been one of a monster. that is not the impression i got when i talked to him for three hours. i know that family members who have been interviewed by the media have expressed that, as well. really? is that just a lawyer to doing a good job. >> i figure it's a lawyer infected by the p.r.ization including the o.j. trial where they feel obligated not only to defend the guy in court. i don't think it's persuasive and i'm glad they had it for hitler. >> if hitler would have lived, his lawyer would have said some of his best friends were jewish. >> the argument doesn't have any credibility and can't play well. >> how does this guy get a fair

trial anywhere in america. >> his job makes sure he gets the fair trial based on credibility of evidence. >> he is making the arguments in the media. >> i don't think it's going to work for i am. it certainly going to make the lawyer is going to be a household name. >> jon: coming up. insider's take on the state of journalism today. ( bell rings ) they remind me so much of my grandkids.

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idea, when the first thing a reporter hears the first thing she reports. we live at time where we have seen major television networks take video off of youtube and broadcast it to millions of americans without verifying whether the video had been fabricated or not. twitter, facebook and readit. that is not journalism, that is gossip. >> jon: that anchor scott pelly receiving his award and giving his two cents on the state of journalism today. what do you think about those points that media is getting the big stories wrong? >> he goes on to blame technology. scott's view of journalism is

why the news rooms across america is filled with out of touch elite. twitter has made journalism better. yes, there are mistakes, but because now we all can be journalists and we can all check journalists. we get more and better information. this guy is just complaining because the system that he was a part of is collapsing. his house of cards is collapsing. we all know that july the 4thism is not what you used to be. >> you teach journalism students. >> i say to them that technology is an opportunity and not the problem. the point made is exactly right. twitter and facebook is distribution systems, they are not reporting systems. the more nuanced coverage the better off we are. pelly's oblivious us onness, we

are teaching students to do reporting. >> there are also opportunities that tend to be destroying the traditional business of going out and paying people to do hard work that takes time to do. it's everybody a journalist and nobody is going to be paid a lot of money. i love twiarnd i love new technology but i will stick up with him on owning up to his own mistakes on newtown shootings. still, it is valuable to be accurate and whether it's twitter or tv, that is important. >> we go back to what we've seen on other segments. if everybody has the same world view and as rick said earlier and not telling a story is an editorial decision, as well. then you will have certain outcomes. i asked leslie stahl and assured

he me there were conservatives in the newsroom. >> jon: that is a wrap. thanks to our panel. i'm jon scott. see you next week. >> gregg: new developments in the irs scandal. in an interview with bloomberg news, the treasury secretary jack lew admits that he learned irs was being investigated it had targeted conservative groups for extraout any raising new questions how deep the scandal reaches into the obama administration and in the white house. i'll gregg jarrett. welcome to america's news headquarters. >> arthel: the news about the comes as irs commissioner sara up gram that once headed up the

office is now charged are in charge of overseeing obamacare. >> reporter: democrats say it was a group within the tax exempt division that sara ingraham had had eded that targeted conservative groups. that she was not involved. the republicans are dubious and say, sara ingraham certainly be headed up the much larger job of implementing obamacare. but she is. she is in charge of the new health insurance and new fines associated with obamacare. that worries some in the g.o.p. >> so she provided horrendous customer service under her watch and now she is going to do the same implementing obamacare -- swel l. this is perfect example why we need tax reform. >> reporter: at a hearing on the

irs scandal yesterday, the outgoing irs commissioner steven miller who was fired because of the scandal came to ingraham's defense. >> why would you promote somebody in that position that was in charge that certainly has some controversy over the last couple years under an investigation. >> because she is a suburb civil servant. >> she had nothing to do with this? >> i wouldn't imagine so. >> reporter: and sandra levin that ingraham had any inkling of the problems in the division she used to head. >> arthel: that's very much. the question remains who within the obama administration knew about the irs investigation and when did they know it. we'll take a deeper look into the investigation with national review columnist john fund minutes from now. stick around.

>> gregg: to another scandle. the congressional panel issuing a subpoena to retired ambassador thomas pickering as they try to determine if there was cover-up in the days after the september 11th attack in benghazi. elizabeth prann reports from washington. >> back and forth about witnesses testifying in a series of hearings continues. the chairman issuing a subpoena to the co-chair of the independent review board that investigated the september 11th terrorist attack. darrell issa is seeking more transparency writing to thomas pickering the a.r.b.did not and their investigative process remained opaque. republican lawmakers want the retired ambassador to appear on

capitol hill on thursday. >> there are people with firsthand knowledge, i don't mean congressmen or ambassadors. there were people in benghazi that know what happened. >> the senior democrat is cummings issuing his own statement. the subpoena is an example of extreme overreach and politization of this tragedy. republicans remain focused on getting more information explaining what happened. they wanted to use surveillance and fill in the gaps between the consulate attack and the emails that were released this week. john boehner is urging the administration to be completely transparent and reveal all communications in the hours immediately after the attack. gregg, back to you. >> gregg: elizabeth, thanks. >> arthel: investigators say they'll examine the brakes, signals and the crew after this awful train collision in connecticut.

two commuter trains crashed during friday night rush hour, 50 miles northeast of new york city. dozens were hurt. at least three critically and responders say it was amazing no one was killed. >> gregg: fox extreme weather alert, the center of the country is facing a very rough ride over the next 72 hours. today's tornado threat centered across western nebraska, oklahoma but severe storms are still possible for minnesota all the way down to texas. the majority of the tornadoes activity could be tonight and overnight. so prepare now. granbury texas is starting its recovery from a deadly outrage of tornadoes that killed six people. residents are being allowed back in their neighborhoods to survey the damage. >> arthel: we are going switch gears. the odds are pretty long, yes,

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john fund is a columnist for national review magazine. he is co-author of a book, who is counting. we learned yesterday that commissioner miller knew about the targeting of march last year denied to it congress, others at irs knew, now we have learned that treasury department knew it in june of last year. here is today "new york times", i'll quote them. that meant obama administration officials were aware of the matter during the presidential campaign last year. yet, the president says, news to me. does it look like the truth was long hidden from the american people? >> well, at least obscured and delayed. i think that one of the things that you can always tell shows a cover-up in an action, i can't find the names of people who are involved. the irs commissioner on friday, no names! who did this? i don't remember. who were you told?

i don't know. then, of course, with benghazi, you got the emails that were released by the white house and all the names or redacted. >> gregg: look, congressman was on the air short time ago and he said this is endemic and pervasive within the obama administration how it runs all agencies, epa of bureau of land management, you name it are abuses and stone wall because they think they are above the law. he said the president sets the tone for all of that. what do you think? >> certainly we've seen the administration takes cues from the people at the top. if the administration demonizing its opponents and says we are worried about all this money that could come into the 2012 campaign, it's like king henry ii that once said rid me of this troublesome priest priest.

sure enough the priest vanished. >> gregg: the president does set the tone and tenor but the person who allegedly oversaw if not allowed the abuse is sara ingraham. the obama administration has now put her of enforcing obamacare. so instead of being disciplined, she is rewarded. is that yet another mistake in all of this or is it evidence of arrogance? >> it is inexplicable to me how the obama administration how it is going to implement obamacare and get congressional funding from the irs to run the tax division through the irs -- i mean this bureaucrat, even if she knew nothing, i know nothing. she presided over the great politicized zats of our time. she should not be rewarded by

principle. i think obamacare is in real trouble because i don't think congress is going to appropriate any money to implement it. >> gregg: so the choice is. >> the problem is the scandals are both evil and stupid. >> gregg: if the irs cannot be trusted to collect taxes without obnoxious taxes, that is the description of his own agency. he called it obnoxious and horrible. how can the irs be trusted to enforce obamacare? >> that is going to be the big issue for the next six months. obamacare really kicks in october 1st. that means we just have a few months to figure out. is the irs fixable? i don't think it's fixable in that period of time. i think that obamacare is going to be on life support when it comes to implementing it. i will make a prediction,

congress passes a bill calling for a delaying it's implementation and president obama would be smart to sign the bill. >> gregg: that going to get through the senate, really? >> i think if we see this meltdown, remember, there are 20 democratic senators up for reelection. they don't want to run with obamacare albatross around their neck. that would rather delay it. >> gregg: good to see you. >> arthel: new accusations in the growing irs scandal. why the terror attack in benghazi last september that left four americans dead could be tied to the controversy surrounding the tax agency. that is next. trust calcium plus vitamin d to support strong bones. and the brand most recommended by... my doctor. my gynecologist. my pharmacist. citracal. citracal. [ female announcer ] you trust your doctor. doctors trust citracal.

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>>. >> arthel: more on our top stories, irs scandal, we're talking about an organization that has criticized the

administration's handling of the benghazi attack says it was also a target of the irs. kristen whiten is with secure america and former senior advisor of the bush state department and author of a book, smart policy. high, christian, how are you. let's get to it. when did you realize that your organization was being singled out? when did you start to connect the dots and give us specifics of some of the information that the irs was trying to collect on the organization? >> the first indication when secure america applied for nonprofit status, amount of time it took. two years out from that application. and reams of information back and forth the same type excessive requests from other tea party groups. >> arthel: just give me a couple

of examples so the people watching will know. >> one specific example, is our information was illegally provided by the irs to pro publica a soros funded organization secure america now is pointing out some of the concerns we had about the wake of benghazi, the attack there has and people pretending to be reporters from pro publica they begin to circulate information about our activities. >> arthel: did you push back at the time? >> i believe our officers didn't respond to the requests because it was obvious this was an attempt to smear what is a a non-partisan organization, secure america with activities we weren't doing. >> arthel: briefly, we're short on time. if you could, basically your mission statement the purpose your organization secure america

now? >> basic idea, non-partisan organization. it's to involve more americans in national security. there are so many ways americans can get involved in the political process with domestic issues but fewer with foreign issues. people will have a better balance on defense. >> arthel: and with that national security in mind, tell me what ways was your organization of administration's handling of benghazi? >> we believe it was a cover-up. the fact is from the beginning islamist terrorists were targeting the united states on 9/11 and broader problem of the obama administration and washington foreign policy establishment. nostd recognizing the threat it is. the growing jihadist threat at one official described it. >> arthel: and let's talk about this. our last moments. this, of course, has raised the

subject the need for more accountability and transparency on the part of an agency that is so pooh important as the irs. does this irs scandal bring the need for a discussion how involved some of these nonprofit organizations are involved in terms of monetary creations? >> contributions. >> it should spark the criminal conspiracy that took place at irs. officials said this week there were no crimes committed -- that is flat out wrong. the people that provided our information to pro publica were engaging a felony violation and also violations of the privacy act and hatch act. i don't believe for a second this is just bureaucrats acting alone. they do bring it voluntarily. i think it came from above. >> arthel: thank you for

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