the all-american concert series kicks off this friday with michael bolton. >> friday? >> if you're in the area, come on by, 48 th street and 7th avenue. it's free, i think. >> gavin degraw. and his hat. the woman at the center of the irs scandal so the to take the 5th. loisldlois lerner headed the irs. there is drama to be served up in a matter of moment. i'm bill hemmer. martha: all of this comes as the white house again is change its story and the time line and when it was first aware of the irs

misconduct and how and why the president was not told what was going on. >> we have found out the way -- back up. inspector general was completing a report. if that report contained the information that was indicated. it would be something that we would want to respond to. as you saw the president respond very firmly to it. >> reporter: what day did you learn? >> the same day you did. >> from news reports? >> yes. bill: what did these committee members want to learn from lerner. >> reporter: here is what they are going to ask. who gave you the order and who did you tell up the chain that you were targeting

conservatives. that you may have been protecting liberal groups and you gave the president's own brother a pass, tax exam shun three weeks after he applied for it and backdated it by 3 years. the representatives will ask those questions and she'll plead the fifth and there will be no answers. but there is even one more answer that is more telling. who told to you keep on profiling and targeting conservatives well into the election year of 2012 when you made the decision in 2011 to back off from using those key targeting words like tea party or patriot. who told to you keep on targeting? that's a question that will not be answered. bill: how tid the white house change its story yet again? >> it was a time line question. it appears the people in the white house, the white house

council and the chief of staff knew about the investigation earlier than we had previously been told. yesterday at that hearing for the irs, the top irs guy said he knew about the investigation in may 2012, that's six months before the election. in miller was asked what did you do about it. mr. miller said we held workshops for our employees on this target. bill: i don't know how we can look down the road. what is the possibility of a long-term effect. >> reporter: this scandal will drag into the summer and maybe the fall. there may be an independent special prosecutor appointed. it will drag on as the obama-care legislation is being implemented. can you do two things in can you handle these scandals and implement obama-care which is

highly contentious and do it all at the same time and stay on schedule in that's in some doubt. bill: stuart varney leading our coverage in new york. martha: let's give you background on lois lerner. she has been the head of the division since 2005 and was responsible for okaying 800,000 tax exempt organizations. she'll be at the big table in the congressional hearing in a little while from now. bill: one of th one of them aske questions. here is how that went with the congressman. jay stop chaffetz.

thank you for your time today. if lois lerner takes the fifth what does that suggest? >> i hope sheen to the. we are just trying to get to the truth. she is deeply worried about something she may have done previously. the president encouraged the employees to be open and transparent then she wouldn't do that. i hope she has a change of heart. bill: her lawyer says there is an open investigation. it's not appropriate. does he have a right here? >> it appears there is a lot of smoke when i have somebody pleading the fifth and you are asking basic questions about an investigation we are doing and how the irs acted. it certainly doesn't look good. bill: you have a lot of players. the irs, the treasury, now you have the white house and by some accounts the story of has been

shifting. five different versions in the past week. what does that mean? >> one of the concerns i'm going to do in the questioning coming up is we had more than 75 members in the house and senate ask questions more than a year ago about what was happening and not happening specifically on this account. and how is it there will be so much attention drawn and send so many letters and raise so much attention and they play as if we didn't know, we didn't know, we didn't know. ignorance is not a great excuse. bill: what did the irs talk about with the treasury department? what did they talk about with officials at the white house? how did they decide the story would be popped and a conference with a bunch of attorneys earlier this month?

all this came about, how the idea was hatched. do you have many answers on that? >> that's why we are having these hearings. in a short amount of time we went from this was a low-level person in an ohio field office to blossoming into a whole array of people with significant roles and responsibilities that evidently knew about it and we'll see where that trail takes us. but for an agency that would make a concerted effort to plant a question and they have this sort of deceiving nature to them to say we'll plant a question and go to the idea that maybe they haven't been so candid back for the years ago when republicans in large part were asking very direct, specific questions about this activity. bill: it has been said lois lerner pea pared before a

congressional committee four times in the past year and in those appearances did not disclose or provide complete answers on the whole story. >> a lot of this is done but omission. it just begs a lot more questions. i hope she comes and raises her hand and answers the tough questions. they are out there. but there is a lot of i -- there is a lot of explaining and we are going to get to the bottom of it. bill: a lie by omission. do you think this is a lie. >> we'll pose those questions and let those people answer those questions. bill: thank you, sir. jason chaffetz live from the hill from utah. martha: this all started three

years ago back in 2010 when the irs began inappropriately screening conservative groups who had applied for tax exempt status through the irs. 500 groups fell into that net and they were subjected to what is said to be unfair and overly burden tomorrow scrutiny and questions like what books were they reading and what were they praying for. hard to imagine the legitimate reasons for those questions. some of these groups with tea party or patriot in their name waited more than three years to get any answer on their tax exempt application, and while they waited, two election cycles came and went. bill: this scandal having an effect on how people are viewing their government. 68% feel the government is out of control and threatening basic

civil liberties. it is 9:10 in the morning. we expect the hearing to start at 9:30. we'll take you there when it starts. martha: all of this raises so many questions as we get started this morning. we want to tell you about other news out there. a deadly shootout in florida with reports it might be linked to the boston marathon bombing. plus this ... >> it's gone. it's all gone. bill: that is brand-new video. new images of that monster tornado that ripped through moore, oklahoma. we'll see how people are trying to pick up the pieces again today. >> it's all gone!

martha: we are learning new details of the deadly tornado that hit oklahoma. experts are saying that was an ef-5 twister. it released more energy than the atomic bomb that leveled hiroshima. john roberts is live on the ground as has been throughout in moore, oklahoma. good morning, john. >> it many no surprise to hear that assessment when you look at the scope of the devastation. the cars piled up behind me, the buildings torn down and the people's lives that have been changed. i met those people and spent

to some time with them. she was there with her three children. her husband was at work. she took some video. she says in oklahoma you go out in the street when you see a tornado coming. that's when she realized the twister was coming at them. the children were already in the storm shelter. take a look at this video she took immediately after the tornado. >> the whole town is gone. it's gone. it's all gone! >> reporter: what had been a lovely neighborhood 20 years before turned into something out of the apocalypse. right across the street was the plaza towers elementary school. she immediately dropped everything and didn't have a

concern about her own situation. she ran across the street to the elementary school to do whatever she could. here is how she described that scene for me. >> everybody is screaming and there is wailing coming out of the school. i made my way through the path. some peoplep men were digging children out from underneath the car. i was handed one and a lady and i got a sweet little girl, curly little brown hair just bawling her eyes out. we got her out and everything you have to step on, the mangled metal. i can't even describe it to you. >> reporter: she put that little girl on the ground. that girl immediately collapsed. that's when she realized both of

her legs had been broken by that car falling on top of her. 7 little children died in that school monday. martha: there is one little girl we learned about today and we are just beginning to learn the stories of these children and they will be such a prominent part of this tragedy as we go forward. and i imagine that people there -- are they even to the point yet john where they can start to think about the process of what comes next for them? >> reporter: it's so soon after the tornado. but i did ask mike and james about that. i said what do you plan to do? james said we talked to the understand adjust iter and he said do you want to rebuild and do you want. >> locate. their mind are going to relocation. they say there is too much trauma to look across the street every day at what will most likely become the new plaza

towers elementary school and know 7 children died there. they are thinking about relocating not to a different state but to somewhere else in this area. martha: such unbearable pain to think about that school and those children. bill: front and center has been the governor of oklahoma. and she says the damage is unlike anything she has ever seen but vows the state will come back stronger. >> it's been a very trying couple of days for the state of oklahoma. it's a sad time because we experienced one of our most horrific storms and disasters the state has ever faced. but in the midst of tragedy and loss of lives we have seen the courage and resilience of our people. we'll overcome, we'll rebuild and we'll regain our strength. bill: oklahoma's insurance

commissioner will be in moore to talk about the recovery answer questions about filing claims. martha: according to the national weather service the tornado that slammed into moore was in fact an e-5. that's a category reserved for the most damaging enhanced twisters on the fujita scale. it has wind gusts of 200 miles an hour. 9ef-5 tornado touched down in the united states from 2000 to 2013. another chilling characteristic is it rarely leaves behind debris because it sweeps everything in its path up and miles away.

the bare foundations and slabs we are seeing is typical of this powerful tornado. bill: it's hard to find a silver lining. but we were sitting here yesterday when the death toll was cut in half and that's the only thing you can point to for those folks in moore, oklahoma. in the meantime the justice department came under fire for seizing e-mails from one of our own fox news reporters. now it appears there is much more to this story. we'll tell you about today's fallout. you hurt my feelings, todd. i did? when visa signature asked everybody what upgraded experiences really mattered... you suggested luxury car service instd of "strength training with patrick willis." come on todd! flap them chicken wings. [ grunts ] well, i travel a lot and umm... [ male announcer ] at visa signature, every upgradedxperience

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that massive collision and derailment that happened last friday. >> we had to rebuild the entire track structure. the rails, signal system, power system it's a whole new railroad. then we had to test it and run test trains on it. martha: 70 people were hurt in that accident and the cause of that crash still remains under investigation. bill: we are learning details about a justice department investigation into one of our own fox news colleagues. it now appears it may have gone even farther than first reported. >> reporter: personal e-mails, phone record and the government went far beyond just james rosen's information. in a filing made by the u.s. attorney' office october 2011 it

detailed scores of phone record with area codes and exchanges that match up with many fox news hard lines and cell phones. we cannot see the final four numbers. the area code and exchange do match upw to employee phones that run to the pentagon and our offices and the state department. before the latest revelations regarding the breadth of these phone records gathered by the government the doj says the leaks posed a serious risk to national security adding investigators in the rosen case followed owl applicable laws, regulations and longstanding justice department policies meant to safeguard the press in reporting the news and the public in receiving the news.

these new revelations come on the heels of the news an fbi agent signed an affidavit accusing rosen of committing a crime by allegedly obtaining information from a state department employee and that led to a search warrant that gave them access to rosen's personal emaccount. martha: we have a live look at capitol hill where a hearing is about to get underway. we have a top irs official who will be sitting at that table and she plans to invoke her amendment privileges. we'll see what she may answer. we'll be right back.

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on capitol hill. >> reporter: lois lerner disappointing the committee with her attorney saying she'll plead her amendment right against self-incrimination. she headed the department at the irs. she is at the center of this controversy. she is the person who leaked out two weeks ago with a planted question at an event that this targeting of conservative groups was going on. lawmakers have been angst to ask her questions. her attorney tried to get her out of showing up today. but her attorney says she is still under subpoena. chairman darrell issa said he was hopeful she would have a change of heart. it seems unlikely at this point. >> she is an important witness. we are holding out hope she'll change her mind.

in this case she is critical to the conduit between commissioners and other individuals and the actual places where so much was known. >> reporter: but her explanation of what was going on has been hammered by fact checkers. "the washington post" gave her a bushel of pinocchios. it is a crime to lie to congress. her attorney advised her she should probably clam up today. martha: this investigation is going further. there is the potential for criminal charges and that would explain why her attorney may be advising her to take the here. but so many -- to take the fifth here. who gave her direction and do people believe this was a small group of independently acting employees in cincinnati who took this upon themselves to sort out

the conservative groups and ask them questions like who do you pray for and what books are you reading? >> reporter: that's correct. the initial explanations s be the cincinnati office went rogue and was doing its own thing. most people who study the pure grath krastud -- mostpeople whoy say who outside of the irs might have known. neil wollen is expected to be a key figure when they try to figure out who outside of the irs bubble, what they knew and what they did with that information at that point. earlier this year after time geithner left of the role of treasury secretary, wollen was

the acting treasury secretary. so a key figure in the obama administration. martha: this is darrell issa, the head of this committee. let's listen in. >> to hold government accountable to taxpayers. taxpayers have a right to know what they get from their government. it's our role to deliver the facts to the american people and bring genuine reform to the federal bureaucracy. i would note today that what we read at the opening of every committee hearing is particularly appropriate today when it says government accountable to taxpayers. our democracy was created by people and for the people. when government power is used to

target americans for exercising their constitutional rights, there is nothing we as representatives should find more important than to take it seriously, get to the bottom it and eradicate the behavior. since 2010 there appears to have been a targeting' people based on their beliefs. these people particularly those who use tea party in their name, were mocked by the liberal media, mocked by late night television and referred to by this administration regularly with disdain. even here in the halls of congress people would talk about who the tea partyers were. who was tea party supported. when in fact there is no tea party. the evidence has shown, there are hundreds and hundreds of organizations as independent as any single american who simply

wanted to live up to the constitution, to have their freedom and have it protected by our country. so last year we received troubling complaints by groups across the country who were receiving what appear to be inappropriate and unnecessary questions in many cases after more than a year, sometimes two years of inaction about it i.r.s., we went to the inspector general who was here with us today in march of last year point request of our staff and later in a formal letter from mr. jordan, the subcommittee chairman and myself, the i.g. launched a form pal investigation. we knew then that something seemed to be wrong. we knew then that there was smoke. we knew then that in fact

something just didn't seem to be right. what we didn't know what was really wrong and we could never have suspected an organized and pervasive denying of hundreds of applications not by a reject stamped and set back, but by deliberate inaction. so our suspicions were just that. only in the last few weeks have we begun to realize that this was at least within the irs, vast. because every single person who looked at one of these applications could have and should have been a whistleblower, could have and should have realized there was something wrong. during this period of time of more than a year, we had an intervening election. many people want to talk about this relative to the election. i will not do that here today. this is more important than any

one election. we need to look at this relative to our democracy. the power to tax is the power to destroy. the power to grant tax status is in fact an enhancement of the right and liberties of our speech. that is what was at stake here and it wouldn't matter one bit if a different group was targeted. it is wrong. congress produces laws. many of them complex. we may hear in the weeks and months to follow there was a complexity of these applications to cause this. complexity is created more often than it exists. the irs find complexity with it many convenient and simplicity when it's convenient. that's what we have begun to find out. during the same period of time at least two investigations were

going on. one by the ig and one internal, congress was misled, the american people were misled. just yesterday the committee interviewed the director of exempt organizations rulings and agreement division of the irs. while a tremendous amount of attention is centered on the inspector general's investigation. the committee learned that she in fact participated in an irs internal investigation that concluded in may of 2012, may 3, 2012 and found essentially the same thing that mr. george found more than a year later. think about it. for more than a year the irs knew that it had inappropriately targeted groups of americans based on their political beliefs and without mentioning it and in

fact without honestly answering questions that were the result of this internal investigation. many people believe that the irs is an independent agency. nothing could be further from the truth. we define it deliberately as less political. it has only two political appointees. it's carefully scrutinized to have limited visibility to congress, limited visibility because we are protecting american people's rights. but in fact the commissioner, former commissioner who is with us today will tell us he reports to the deputy of treasury. he's a subordinate of a subject ordinary that of a cabinet officer. it is not an agency that gets to do what it wants to do and can't be challenged by treasury. not on dismiss pause mow about this and participate in the irs

internal investigation but she also played a role in the ig's investigation. we were shocked to find that she participated in virtually every one of the interrogations or interviews with her own subordinates. one of the questions the ig had to ask was did anyone tell you to do this? if that question was asked, their own superior was in the room. although it appears as though this was signed off by the ig, this committee find it inappropriate for any inspector inspecting wrongdoing within an agency to include individuals in the agency who could be and we now believe participated willingly in this activity. it's also unclear why the

inspector general did not inform the committee of his substantive finding when he first became aware of the targeting no later than july of 2012. and here is where i take a liberty of this committee. a liberty of the congress. despite numerous requests from the committee for information and updates including an august 3 letter, the request for the i.g. to inform congress about serious or flagrant problems quickly, the i.g. failed to do that. that is existing law. that's under the i.g. act. that has been a responsibility of i.g.'s across the board since the 70s. and we in fact on this committee both support, defend and promote the i.g.s, but we must also insist particularly after situations like the gs sarks scandal that we not wait 10

months to find out there is a there there. that in fact is perhaps the greatest failing of an otherwise well-regarded inspector. today we'll be looking at how the things went so wrong. how multiple wrongdoings occurred. how no one in position of authority seems to know anything about it. and within the administration there seems to be a culture of insulation that puts higher priority on deniability than addressing blatant wrongdoing. the american people don't expect perfection. many men and women working hard doing their best in government make mistakes. a few make wrongdoings and do so deliberately. but the buck has to stop somewhere. in this investigation the buck will stop with this committee. this committee will not stop

this investigation until we know the irs is fixed. in a one-on-one interview with the i.g. shortly after his report i asked the inspector general a simple question i expected to have a mixed answer on. the question was, is this the on time? could this happen again? in fact his answer to me in an unambiguous way is the interm controls are not there for me to say it isn't happening somewhere else in the irs. meaning the american people today should not have confidence this is an isolated incident. but rather like the days of enron and world come you ask the question, has congress made this organization auditable and accountable the way they make us auditable and accountable. i have paid a lot of taxes in my life. most of us have.

you can't say you are doing the right thing and have the irs take your word. documentation, the ability to verify it is essential when dealing with the irs. we can expect no less when we deal with the irs. i'll recognize the ranking member for his opening statement. >> i thank you for calling this very important hearing. mr. chairman, you are absolutely right. this is more important than one election. the revelations that have come forward so far provides us with a moment pregnant with transformation. not transformation for a moment, but for generations to come and generations yet unborn. that's why this hearing must be

about two essential things. truth and trust. the american people expect the irs to exercise its responsibilities in a fair and non-partisan manner. when the irs breaches that trust it damages the ability of the agency to implement the nation's tax laws effectively and efficiently. the inspector general has called the actions by irs employees in cincinnati quote inappropriate unquote. but after reading the ig's report, i think it goes well beyond that. i believe there was gross up -- gross incompetence and

mismanagement when the irs determined which organizations qualified for tax exempt status. again this is about truth and trust. by now we have all heard how irs employees used terms like tea party and patriots to single out conservative groups for enhanced scrutiny. but the ig report discusses how some cases took more than three years to resolve. ladies and gentlemen, wear better than that. we are simply better than that. irs staff stopped working for more than a year from october 2010 through november 2011 while they waited for guidance from

supervisors on how to process these applications. this is simply unacceptable. when the irs finally got to processing applications, employees with little or no oversight sent overly extensive requests for information to many of these groups which understandably angered them. new processes had been put in place to prevent these abuses in the future. but much more needs to be done. according to the ig audit, at least part of the reason -- the reason for the mismanagement is inadequate guidance on how to process these cases. the original statute passed by congress requires 501c4

organizations engaged exclusively in social welfare activities. by in 1959 the treasury department issued a regulation that requires the entities only to be primarily engaged in social welfare activity. as a result many groups believe they can spend up to 49% of their fund on campaign-related activity. significant concerns have been raised about groups that have already qualified for tax exempt status. whose applications are still pending and are now openly he wage in cam opinion-related activity and spending millions of dollars with little or no irs oversight of their activity. these concerns are not limited to just one political party by the way.

for example, good government groups like democracy 21 and others have written to the irs about crossroads gps which was created by karl rove as well as patriots usa which was created by former obama administration officials. i'm encouraged that the ig announced that he will be examining this issue in more detail in the upcoming audit. but it's also time to revisit a 1959 regulation and consider return together original standard set forth in the statute that bans political activity by these groups all together which is what congress originally intended. as we investigate the actions of irs employees, i urge my colleagues to avoid making the investigation into a partisan attack.

let me pause here to say there are many great employees in the irs. i'm sure the chairman would agree with me that it is not our intention to take a broad brush and say negative thing about all the employees at the irs. there are many hard-working people probably looking at this event right now. wondering why they are talking about me. well, we say all of those employees we appreciate what you are doing. but we are trying to make sure that this organization is straightened out. mr. schulman who is the head of the irs put all of -- when all of these actions occurred, was appointed by president bush. there is no evidence to suggest he directed irs employees to intentionally delay or harass tea party groups. similarly, the inspector general

and all irs officials who appeared before congress to date have agreed that no one outside the irs participated in these activities or was aware of them when they occurred. these facts were confirmed again yesterday when the committee conducted a transcribed interview of the manager of the rulings and agreements office in washington, d.c. which oversees the cincinnati unit which processed these applications. i share the chairman's serious questions about why mr. schulman and miss lerner failed to inform congress about these problems. between, ladies and gentlemen, we are talking about truth and trust. to me this is one of their most significant failures. and i do not bleach their

answers to date have been -- i do not believe their answers to date have been sufficient. truth and trust. i want to make a request of the chairman. now that the president has designated danny workel as the new head of the irs i think the committee should hear about his steps he intend to take to restore the public trust in the irs. as i said repeatedly. to do our jobs on this committee we must focus on oversight and reform. and reform. holding a hearing with him will allow us to do both. finally i would like to say a brief word about miss lerner. her attorney has written to the

committee to inform us that she intend to invoke her fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. of course, i'm disappointed we'll not be able to ask her questions today. i believe that she could share much light on what we are trying to find, the truth. but every member of this committee takes an oath to support the constitution of the united states of america. this is miss lerner's right under the constitution so i will honor her decision and i respectfully urge all of my colleagues to do the same. i ask unanimous consent to place into the record written answers that miss lerer provided in response to questions posed by the inspector general as well as similar answers provided by her boss joseph grant.

>> they will not be accepted at this time. they have not been provided to us by the ig on a bipartisan basis i have been informed. so we'll take them under advisement. i will take back my reservation if -- after mr. george has viewed them and agreed in fact they are true or someone else from the ig. and i must mention -- i'm sharked that i'm finding things we want -- they were not provided to us. the committee has respectfully requested all of these transcribed interviews from the ig. mr. george, am i to assume this was the only one provided or were all of them provided to the minority? i've been informed they were provided to both sides last night. >> there is a way to get them to

us so we know they are there. will we expect to receive all transcribed interest views or only this one. we asked for all of them equally. >> we prioritized them and we are still work on the request. >> can we get an estimate of time about -- i'll take back my reserve. >> we work on the request. we prioritized them as requested by the committee. i can't give you a definitive time for your receipt of them. >> i trust it will be no greater time than what we give taxpayers to respond. >> me make one comment on what happened. we were under the impression that you all had the document.

and i -- >> it wasn't you blind siding me i assure you. >> as i close, i want this committee to be very careful and i said it's times, this committee should act on the level of a federal court. and i think we need to be very, very careful not to let partisanship undermine the integrity not only of the committee, but our investigation, and our work product. the american people are depending upon us. and i have full faith and confidence in the chairman and all of our members that we'll do as i just said, and so i certainly look forward to our witnesses' answers to our questions.

i look forward to your opening statements. and i yield back. >> we now go to the chairman of the subcommittee mr. jordan. >> two rogue agents, that's what the white house tells us were the people responsible for this. i got a news report from may 15 that says white house says two rogue irs employees from cincinnati were responsible for investigating conservative groups. two rogue employees responsible for the systematic targeting of conservative groups for two years. this administration would have us believe that. this agency, the very agency charged with enforcing obama-care systematically targeted groups that came into existence because they opposed obama-care and they started the targeting the very month, march 2010, that obama-care became law expects us to believe it was just the work of two rogue agents. this administration, this agency

which according to mr. george's report found out about this practice certainly as early as june 2011. and after that date miss lerner had 14 opportunities in direct intertakss with the ways and means committee and this committee, 14 different occasions where she could have set the record straight and she chose not to do it. yet they expect us to believe the systematic targeting of conservative groups was just the work of two rogue agents in cincinnati. this administration, this agency which was so calculating that they planted the question 12 days tea go when miss lerner gave the news that the irs was engaged in this targeting before the ig's report came out. so calculating they got together and said let's plant the

question and break this story. yet they expect us to believe it was just the work of a couple employees, two rogue agents in cincinnati. and finally, mr. chairman, i would say this. a subject this committee knows something about. this administration which told us and told the american people that the attack that killed four americans in benghazi was the work -- was caused by a video is now the same administration who expects us to believe that this scandal was just the result of two rogue agents in cincinnati. the american people don't buy it. they want this administration to give us the truth.

that's why this hearing is so important. >> i that gentleman. i understand mr. lynch on behalf of the ranking member mr. lynch is recognized. >> i want to thank you and the ranking member and i would like to thank the witnesses for coming forward. >> each year the state department -- martha: we heard the opening comments this morning from jim jordan and elijah cummings. we may not hear anything from lois lerner who is expected to take the fifth. tucker, elijah cummings made some strong points here. this goes down to a non-partisan issue, whether the american people who work hard to pay the irs on time every year and who have been under their own scrutiny over the course of history deserve better than

this. >> nobody like the irs, so there is not a huge constituency pushing democrats. at its core this is a partisan issue. the allegation is these groups were targeted for partisan reasons. at the outset i don't think you will see any democrat come out and flatly defend the irs. mr. cummings said we are not going to have the chance to ask her questions because she is invoking her amendment right.

>> this is fundamentally a campaign story. this took place within the

context of a midterm and more significantly a presidential campaign. no tea party affiliated group was granted tax exempt status for 27 months. many progressive groups received some of and expedited basis. the question raised by a couple of people has been if the story had broken last spring when it became known to some people within the executive branch, the obama administration, if that had ebgt exploded in the public view in march of 2012? would it have affect egd th affected the outcome. would it put back on the table allies of the mitt romney campaign, the tea party groups, none of which were working on behalf of obama, jugs the opposite. this is a campaign story and i think it's worth remembering that. martha: the question is whether or not lois tucker was instructed to do what she did. were the rogue agents who

carried this out on her own, what possible motivation would they have had? the argument is they wanted to make their work for efficient becaus they had piled of applications. it goes to the recent issue when she stood up and decided to plant this question for herself that would start the ball rolling and get this all out into the open in advance of this it report. who is orchestrating this? how far up does it go? is it white house, campaign, where does it go? >> i don't think strictly speaking we know where it goes. i think we will in the end and is often observed in washington everything emerges in the end. martha: eventually. >> and we will know that. it does beg our belief that someone at her level at the i.r.s. could make a stkaoeugs thimake a decision this far reaching that they will not

grant any tax exempt status for 7 months? this is not limited to the question of which group received or did not receive nonprofit status. there are allegations of selective audits which in some sense is a much more significant allegation. if it's discovered and proved that certain conservative activists received audits at the direction of the i.r.s. for their political beliefs i think that is criminal among other things but it has the potential to shake the entire administration to its foundation. bill: we were talking about jason chaffetz about this last hour. it appears, tucker by the day more and more people were aware of this. >> right. bill: in various circles whether it was the i.r.s., the treasury department or the white house itself. it appears this is where things are moving. what did you know, when did you know it, and what did you do about it? >> keep in mind, we've hro*z senators. there wahro*had hearings on

this. phoeb believenobody believed them h. even on the right you didn't see the romney campaign make this a key component of their attacks on the president or his administration that they were misusing the i.r.s. these pleas for help in effect went largely unheaded. a lot of people suspected this and it turns out they were right. bill: tucker, hang on one moment. this could be the moment they are sworn in and we'll get the question about the fifth. >> do you solemnly swaeur swear that the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? let the record indicate all witnesses answered in the affirmative. please take your seats. for all the witnesses, you're entire opening statements will be placed in the record. we understand sometimes you're obligated to stay with your opening statement, if so keep it within five minutes.

if you'd like to use the time to either add to or to summarize that can be very helpful for the members. you're up first, welcome. >> thank you mr. chairman. chairman issa, ranking member cummings, members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to discuss our recent report concerning -- bill: while he continues his opening statement we have bills to pay, so we just want to let you know at home we are going to take a few commercial breaks here. this is an opportunity to do that. but having said that too we are waiting for the moment as to whether or not lois learner takes the fifth. if it happens we'll break back in. for now a commercial break. mitch mcconnell on all the issues that is facing congress right now and the white house we will talk to him live in a matter of moments and more from the hearing inside that i.r.s. hearing targeting conservative tkpwraoufps and when it al

groups and when it all began. quick break here, right back after this.

. >> after thap date mis that date miss learner had 14 opportunities in direct and distinct interactions with the ways and means committee and this committee. 14 different occasions where she could have set the record straight and she chose not to do it and yet they expect us to believe that the systematic targeting of conservative groups was just the work of two rogue agents. bill: jim jordan from ohio from moments ago. we are watching this hearing here, and we are waiting for what is pretty much the moment of the morning and that's when lois learne learner invokes the fifth amendment. if she does she answers no questions that is her constitutional right. what happens after that? we await. bret baier anchor of special report with me now. good morning from washington. you've been watching this. i don't know where this goes by the end of the day.

maybe we find out very soon. >> i think you're right, bill. i think the hearings have illuminated something every day. it probably won't in the case of lois learner in that we expect her to plead the fifth. that in and of itself, that visual will send a message and it will send a message to people wondering why she's doing that, self-incrimination side of that, avoiding self-incrimination, taking the fifth. the investigation will continue and congress, if they are not fired up about this already, over the last two days everything we hear on capitol hill is that both sides are really engaged. bill: you heard jordan say 14 opportunities. now that number is new to me. what i heard was four in the last year, where lois lerner had a chance to share her knowledge with congress and did or did not or was not entirely forthcoming

as we are finding out now. is it your or 14? >> the 14 is new to us as well. i think there were letters sent by lawmakers to the i.r.s. and maybe specifically to lois lerner, but we want to check that. the other element to this. bill, is how that process developed where they planted the question for lois lerner at the aba conference and that is how this whole thing was picked up in the press. now we learn that the white house talked to tesh re to the treasury department about how and when this will all come out, and not specific details but broad generalities about this investigation, something that originally the white house was saying they didn't do. so we are learning things by the day and it's kind of dripping out. martha: bret, all of the things you point to, the planted question, the discussions

between the treasury department and the white house, and dennis mcd, nan -- >> my name is lois learner i'm the director of the exempt o -gs at the i.r.s. i have been a government employee for over 34 years. i initially practiced law at the department of justice and later at the federal election commission. in 200 2001 i moved to the i.r.s. to work in the exempt organizations office and in 2006 i was promoted to be the director of that office. exempt organizations oversees about 1.6 million tax exempt organizations and processes over 60,000 applications for tax exemption every year. as director i'm responsible for about 900 employees nationwide and ald minister a budget of almost a hundred million dollars. my professional career has been devoted to fulfilling responsibilities for the agent

sears for which i have work and i am very proud of the work i have done in government. on may 14th the treasury inspector general released a report finding that the exempt organization field office in cincinnati, ohio used inappropriate criteria to identify for further review applications from organizations that planned to engage in political activity which may mean that they did not qualify for tax exemption. on that same day the department of justice launched an investigation into the matters described in the inspector general's report. in addition members of this committee have accused me of providing false information when i responded to questions about the i.r.s. processing of applications for tax exemption. i have not done anything wrong. i have not broken any laws. i have not violated any i.r.s. rules or regulations. and i have not provided false information to this or any other

congressional committee. and while i would very much like to answer the committee's questions today i've been advised by my council to assert my constitutional right not to testify or answer questions related to the subject matter of this hearing. after very careful consideration i've decided to follow my counsel's advice and not testify or answer any of the questions today. because i'm asserting my right not to testify i know that some people will assume that i've done something wrong. i have not. one of the basic functions of the fifth amendment is to protect innocent individuals and that is the protection i'm invoking today. thank you. >> thank you for your testimony. miss lerner, earlier the ranking member made me aware of a response we have that is purported to come from you in regards to questions that the ig asked during his investigation.

can we have you authenticate simply the questions and answers previously given to the inspector general? >> i don't know what that is. i'd have to look at it. >> would you please make it available to the witness. [pause in the proceedings ]

>> this appears to be my response. >> it's your testimony that as far as your recollection that is your response? >> that's correct. >> lerner the topic of today's hearing is the reus's improper targeting of certain groups for individual are truth knee involving their application for tax exempt status. as director of exempt organizations of the tax exempt and government entities division of the i.r.s. you are uniquely positioned to provide testimony to help this committee better understand how and why the i.r.s. targeted these groups. to that end i must ask you to reconsider, particularly in light of the fact that you have given not once, but twice testimony before this committee under oath this morning.

you have made an opening statement in which you made assertions of your incense, assertions you did nothing wrong, assertions you broke no laws or rules. additionally you have authenticated earlier answers to the ig. at this point i believe you have not asserted your rights but in fact have effectively waived your rights. would you please seek counsel for further guidance on this matter while we wait. >> i will not answer any questions or testify about the subject matter of this committee's meeting. >> we will take your refusal as a refusal to testify. the witness and counsel are dismissed. the gentleman will please wait.

>> mr. issa, mr. cummings said we should run this like a courtroom. i agreed with him. she just testified, she waived her fifth amendment right to privilege, you don't get to tell your side of the story and not be subjected to cross-examination. that is not the way it worked. she waived her right to the fifth amendment privilege by issuing an opening statement and she ought to stand here and answer our questions. [applause] >> mr. chairman. mr. chairman. mr. cummings. >> first of all with all respect for my good friend mr. gowdy. i said i'd like to he some it run like a federal court. unfortunately this is not a federal court and she does have a right, and i think and we have to adhere to that. >> thank you. we'll pause for a moment.

[pause in the proceedings ] >> miss lerner i'll ask you a couple of additional questions. is it possible we could narcotic or the scope of questions and there are some areas that you would be able to answer any questions on here today? >> i will not answer any questions or testify today. >> miss lerner would you be willing to answer questions specifically related to the earlier statements made under oath before this committee? >> i decline to answer that question for the reasons i've already given. >> for this reason i have no choice but to excuse the witness subject to recall after we seek

specific counsel on the questions of whether or not the constitutional right of the fifth amendment has been properly waived, notwithstanding that in consultation with the department of justice as to whether or not limited or use immunity could be negotiated, the witness and counsel are dismissed. the clerk will please rearrange the seating. bla

>> for all the members on both sides, one moment. i think i speak for mr. cummings and myself, this is a committee that is investigating more than anything else the ultimate right of free speech and the first amendment. so as we go on with the rest of this hearing i would admonish all of us to remember that it's not the first amendment or the second amendment, or the fifth amendment or the 10th amendment in a vacuum. we have to respect them all. the lady who has departed was entitled to assert her fifth amendment although there are questions about how it was done, there can be no question that we have to respect it. additionally that her assertion is not to be viewed or used during this hearing to make any determination plus or minus as to actions that were taken. we have the inspector general with us today, we have other fact witnesses, and this committee has more than ten

additional witnesses that will be called either to hearings or to interviews already on the schedule. i believe that this committee has a long history of very few during my tenure of 12 years, of these occasions, and we should not use this either for political gain or for any indication that it is anything other than somebody's right. martha: we have been watching this morning. you could hear a pin drop in that room when lois lerner said she would not answer any questions with regard to this testimony, or this hearing this morning. i want to bring bret baier bar back into this. one of the biggest questions that we sort of started to talk about before we went back to watch that moment as it happened is the decision that was made to sort of start the ball rolling on releasing this news by the

planted question that lois lerner answered. the big question, one of them is who may have decided that it was time to start to unravel this story a bit and get it out into the bloodstream and start talking about it? did that decision come from treasury, anybody from the white house or anybody involved and the bigger question connected to that, why was the president isolated from all these conversations that we're now learning about with regard to this question? >> i think that is a great question, and one that they are going to continue to press on. yesterday jay carney said the white house had nothing to do with the planted question but then conceded that white house officials talked to treasury about how this was going to come out, when it was going to come out, and the broad scope of the investigation, something that had taken three times of an evolution on the same question to get to what we heard yesterday from jay carney at the podium. the president's inoculation from

this. the fact that he was left out of the loop became a little bit more strange when the white house chief of staff we found out knew, as did other senior staff members back when the white house counsel found out. i think if i could just one thing, you know, it was interesting to see that lois learn r-rp di lerner did have ankle opening statement. she did state her point. she said she had broken no laws, no rules, no i.r.s. rules or regulations, and made an opening statement and then said she was taking the fifth. and you heard tray gowdy, the congressman from south carolina object and say, wait a second, she is testifying. we now -- she has to answer these questions. and i think issa, congressman ice toda issa did it a few more times and there was no getting any answers out of lois lerner.

bill: when dan pfeiffer was on all five talk shows sunday at one point when talking about the i.r.s. he referred to this is a republican playbook and went onto say when they don't have a positive agenda they try to drag washington in a swamp in a partisan fishing expedition. has that been the position of jay carney? >> reporter: he has said that about other things. i'm not sure about the i.r.s. scandal in particular. he continues to reiterate that the president is outraged, and they are going to take action. he hasn't used that phraseology i don't think, bill. and just to that point, you heard congressman cummings today, the ranking member, say that he thinks that there is a truth problem with what they've heard so far from the i.r.s. about this. and he is pushing for this investigation to continue. i think the outrage is actually on both sides of the aisle, so it doesn't fit the structure of five for's statemen tpeufer's statement as he presented it on sunday talk shows.

bill: thank you. see you at 6/:00 tonight east coast time. martha. martha: senate minority leader mitch mcconnell on the scandals, on the hill, on the i.r.s. discussions that we are having here. we he heard from the head of the tax exempt organization, lois learner, we heard a little bit from her. senator ma ko*pbl come comes mcconnell comes up on all of this next. >> mr. cummings just said we should run this like a courtroom and i agree with him h. you don't get to tell your side of the story and not be subjected to cross-examination, that is not the way it worked. she waived her right to the fifth amendment privilege by issuing an opening statement, she ought to stand here and answer our questions. [applause]

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martha: we are back and a house hearing into the i.r.s. scandal you see happening on the left-hand side of your screen. that is underway right now on capitol hill. you see darrell issa r-r as h procedure there. we had a top i.r.s. official at the center of the controversy repeatedly refuse to answer any questions by taking the fifth. watch this. >> i have not done anything

wrong. i have not probing even any laws. i have not violated any i.r.s. rules or regulations, and i have not provided false information to this or any other congressional committee. while i would very much like to answer the committee's questions today i've been advised by my counsel to assert my constitutional right not to testify or answer questions related to the subject matter of this hearing. after very careful consideration i've decided to follow my counsel's advice and not testify or answer any of the questions today. martha: there is the moment where she walked out with her counsel. we are joined this morning by kentucky republican mitch mcconnell. good to have you here this morning. i do want to get your thoughts on that moment in just a minute. i want to ask you first about the immigration bill which i know is very much on your mind this morning as well. it passed out of the committee

last night. is the bill in its current form coming out of this committee something that you would agree to? are you happy with the structure of this bill right now? 0. >> let me say this. martha. i'm undecided about the bill but i'm not undecided about the problem. the border is not secure, april we need to fi, and we need to fix it. i've not decided whether this is the bill to do that. we have a serious problem along the border, we need to fix it, the status quo is not acceptable. undecided about the bill but not the problem would be the best way to sum up how i feel about it. martha: the president has said it's very important that we get immigration over the finish line. a lot of people politically believe that republicans might benefit from getting this immigration bill, you know, put to the full senate floor. is it a bill in the current form that you would bring to the senate floor and then have it go further? >> yeah, well it is the only bill that will be brought up on the senate floor and obviously you can't improve the status

quo, you can't fix the border unless you take some action. as to whether or not this bill achieves that result, i think we will not know until the end of the debate. martha: but will you bring it to the senate floor as it exists? >> that is the bill that will come to the senate floor. the question is will it leave the senate floor? will it fix the problem? i think we don't know that at the beginning of the debate, the debate has to occur, will occur over multiple weeks in june in all likelihood. martha: all right we'll see where that goes. and i do want to ask you about this i.r.s. issue. you know, where we watched lois lerner moments ago, she took the fifth. one ever the big issues is when the president knew about this ig report and when he knew about the problem that prompted the ig report. we now know that the white house counsel as well as dennis mcd u.n. nan the chief of staff was aware of it but they felt it was inappropriate to let the president in on what was going on. what do you think about that? >> i think what we know for sure is that there is a culture of

intimidation across this administration, the president demonizing his enemies, attempting to shut people up. there is certainly a culture of intimidation. as to who knew what with regard to the i.r.s. scandal i think we need to have a complete and thorough investigation. that is going to occur. today i just one of the early chapters in what is likely to be a quite lengthy book with a lot of chapters before we finally know what happened and who knew what and when. martha: one of the big questions is what is the appropriate way to continue this investigation? do you believe this requires an independent special prosecutor to get to the bottom of this? >> well, that's typically initiated by an administration. what i can tell you for sure is we're going to have a real investigation, a serious investigation here in congress, and interestingly enough over here in the senate controlled by democrats, it appears as if they

too want to have a thorough investigation and of course it can be done on a bi-partisan basis over here and i'm encouraged that the congress will do its job in both the house and senate to get to the problem of exactly what happened. martha: i mean we do sense that both sides seem to be very concerned about this. it is a trust issue as elijah cummings brought up in this congress. do you see an avenue here for reallies r-r reform? reallie real real i.r.s. reform? is this an organization fit to fill the role that it has which is significant in carrying out the president's healthcare legislation. >> the american people are learning the i.r.s. has an important role to play in the enforcement of obama care. do we really think that is a good idea? i think not. actually, i think obama care was the worst piece of legislation passed in modern times and ought to be pulled out root and branch, but just another good argument against obama care is

the big role the i.r.s. has to play in the enforcement of it. martha: do you see an avenue, given this situation with the i.r.s. to pursue that in a more aggressive way, in terms of the repeal of obama care or overhauling the whole thing this you think the i.r.s. is not fit? >> i think repealing obama care would be the single biggest step we could take to get the country back on track economically. it's killing jobs, health insurance premiums are rising. everything republicans predicted back in 20 open 9 when it passed would happen is happening, and so it's the single biggest impediment to getting our economy back in the kind of condition we would all like to see it in, is obama care. of course it's all now being implemented, the medical device tax has gone into effect, next kwraoerb th year the health insurance premium tax. premiums are going up, jobs are being lost, it's wreaking havoc with our economy and frankly just as soon as the democrats figure out what a huge mistak

mississippi take they made we ought to be repealing it root and branch. martha: you think it should be repealed but does this change anything in terms of what the next step would be in going down that road? >> i hope so. i'll give you an example, we had a vote in the senate a month or so again on repealing the medical device tax and 79 senators obviously a lot of democrats voted to repeal the medical device tax because its exporting jobs and wreaking havoc with one of our most successful industries. we'll see whether now there is an effort, i would expect there would be to eliminate the i.r.s. from the enforcement mechanism of it. i don't think this bill is fixable, the best thing to do is repeal it root and branch and get rid of it. that's hard to do when you have a democrat in the white house who thinks it's his biggest accomplish: it's not going to, would, it's imploding slowly and wreaking havoc with our economy and a lot of democrats are beginning to figure that out.

the chairman of the finance committee said it's a train wreck and he's entirely right. martha: senator ma tkopbl always good to talk to you sir thank you very much. bill: the moment we are waiting for has happened. lois lerner who ran the tax exempt division of the i.r.s. took the fifth as expected moments ago. when she left the room we will show you the scene that we found in the haul halls outside. live back to the hill after this. money, and i avoid frustration. you'll find reviews on home repair to healthcare written by people just like you. you want to be sure the money you're about to spend is money well spent. angie's list -- reviews you can trust.

bill: right before the break there is what we wanted to show you, lois lerner leaving that hearing room. there is a bit of a scrum out in the hall. just have a look at this right now. so that's what you get on capitol hill when i guess you don't take any questions. tucker carlson cohost of fox & friends weekend, editor of "the daily caller." welcome again. you have an issue here that you've been exploring about civil liberties in america and which political party would align itself with that, at least maybe in the public's mind or in the mind of the political in washington which would not. you seem to see a reversal on this. explain that. >> the poll numbers suggest there has been a massive transformation on the question of civil liberties. the latest ap poll asked the question is the government too big, is it infringing on your constitutional rights, do you feel oppressed by government.

overwhelmingly conservatives, people who identify with the tea party say yes and less than half liberals say yes, which is another way of saying the more liberal you are the less concerned you are about civil liberties. i'm not aware of any time in my lifetime 44, whether that has been the case. this is a huge change. i don't see how any honors person could look at what has happened in the last two weeks, look at the clear infringement on constitutional rights, look as the administration ra executes american citizens abroad using drone technology and say i'm not worried at all about the government over stepping its bounds . i don't know how you can reach that conclusion. >> i was just looking at a timeline. may 10th was the day that lois lerner had that question apparently planted at that lawyer's conference in washington. that was the same day the abc report came out and said the talking points had been changed and gone back and forth 12 different times. i don't know whether you can

prove there is a connection, there has to be a reason as to why the question was placed on the 10th of may. >> just a as a washington d.c. resident my answer is ineptitude. and that may be just in public relations. perhaps there was some kind of strategy, if there was it didn't work very well. speaking of strategies i have to say the spectacle we just watched at these i.r.s. hearings was remarkable. the that she was able to come out and give a statement, utterly selfvicious and arrow tkpwapbt anandselfvie self-righteous and air grant a -- bill: what did you think would happen. >> i think they would ask her questions and she would invoke her right not to answer them. we would hear the questions and it would be completely clear kao that she was not answering. bill: it seems like trey gowdy

wanted to do that. the guidance we had was that darrell issa was not going to do that. >> i'm not even arguing the constitutionality of it, it probably is constitutional to get up and give a totally self-serving statement and not answer any questions. it's pretty outrageous, really. bill: steve miller who testified last week, former commissioner of the i.r.s. he said that wii basically bungled the thing when we rolled it out. it was ugly and bad, it was a bad idea and bad decision, and i think you would agree with that based on what happened on -- >> yeah it's terrifying to think that an agency as powerful as the i.r.s. is basically a crypt tow law enforcement agency has executive running it that arrogant. bill: thank you, not to see you tucker. martha what is next. martha: coming up next convicted murderer jodi arias makes her case to the jury to spare her life. was it enough to convince them? did you see this performance

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martha: convicted murderer jodi arias makes a plea for her life as the jury deliberates whether she should die for killing her ex-boyfriend. watch some of this. >> a few months before trial and by that i mean jury selection, my hair was past my waist and i donated to locks of love a nonprofit which creates wigs for cancer patients who have lost their hair. that was my third denation to

that organization since i was arrested. if i am allowed to live this prison him continue to donate to that organization for the rest of my life. i'd like to start a reading group, something that brings people together in a positive and constructive way so that we could share and recommend other good books and stimulate discussions of a higher nature. martha: jeff gold joins me now, he was inside the courtroom yesterday and is a criminal defense attorney. jeff, what was the reaction to this performance by jodi arias yesterday in the courtroom? >> well, you know there there was a lot of anticipation because jodi arias had said to the lead detective five years ago that if she h-fr hurt travis she would want the death penalty. she later gave interviews to the media that said she would want the death penalty, and as recently as 20 minutes after the conviction she gave a local station an interview that says she wants the death penalty. so the big anticipation is what would she tell the jury now? she didn't say she wanted the death penalty, she reneged on that taunt so to speak and pled

for her life. the thing that you played about her hair was pretty amazing, as if you should save my life because i have pretty hair. pretty amazing. then she gave four and a half hours of interviews after this performance to various outlets, to abc, to nbc and to fox, four and a half hours. the jury is still out deliberating her fate and she said to one of these networks, she said she felt betrayed by this jury. the very jury that is deliberating on whether she gets the death penalty. amazing. martha: so what do you think happens here? i mean, they will decide life or death in this case, she is trying to make her case that she's valuable to society and that she'll be valuable i guess to the prison population and that's why they should spare her. where does this go? >> it was a meager presentation of 20 minutes. she put on no mitigation, she had the right to put on witnesses. she didn't even put on her own

mother. herp mother had been sitting in that courtroom for four months behind her. they called no witnesses in mitigation at all. the only person that spoke on jodi's behalf was jodi, and very, very symbolic of what's been going on in case. it's always about jodi. martha: jeff gold thank you very much. well put. whao*eflewe'll see what happens. bill: apparently adam housley got an interview with jodi arias and you'll hear that play out a little bit later here. we'll play that for you. in the meantime the drama plays out on the hill, we are watching the fallout now from the i.r.s. hearing. we have the latest on -- the back and forth in just a moment. congressman steven lynch democrat, massachusetts. h-fp. massachusetts. >> who chose the terms to be used and basically stonewalled the committee. that cannot continue. we know where that will lead. it will lead to a special

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bill: we will gladly pay it forward today. we will take the fifth on the rest of those things. martha: we will see tomorrow,

everybody. jenna: brand-new stories and breaking news. jon: just a short time ago, the woman who headedhe irs division, targeted conservative group took the fifth amendment and refuse to answer questions in a congressional hearing. the reaction all the breaking news coming up next. fox news revealing that more than a dozen suspects are wanted in the a terror attack in benghazi. in the u.s. has enough evidence to justify capturing him. so why are we going after them? and are more americans in danger? ambassador john bolton joins us live. and jurors are about to decide defense and four jodi arias. she is she pleads for her life in a brand-new interview with fox news. our legal team ways in and it is all