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jenna: brand-new stories and breaking news. jon: just a short time ago, the woman who headedhe irs division, targeted conservative group took the fifth amendment and refuse to answer questions in a congressional hearing. the reaction all the breaking news coming up next. fox news revealing that more than a dozen suspects are wanted in the a terror attack in benghazi. in the u.s. has enough evidence to justify capturing him. so why are we going after them? and are more americans in danger? ambassador john bolton joins us live. and jurors are about to decide defense and four jodi arias. she is she pleads for her life in a brand-new interview with fox news. our legal team ways in and it is all "happening now".
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jon: back to our top story, a lot of angry lawmakers getting no satisfaction from the irs. a good wednesday morning to you, i am jon scott. jenna: i am generally. the woman in charge of the irs unit allegedly targeted conservative groups was before a house committee first asserted her innocence, then refusing to answer questions and invoking her fifth amendment right to remain silent. >> i will not testify about subject matter of the committee meeting. jenna: the inspector general found out there were some wrongdoing by this department. here is mike emanuel on capitol hill. he joins us today. she did defend herself just a little bit before her dismissal. reporter: that is right, interesting drama here on capitol hill.
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lois lerner was accused of making false or misleading statements. her attorney said she was not going to answer questions asserting her fifth amendment right, but she did offer a bit of a defense. >> i have not done anything wrong. i have not broken any laws. i have not violated any irs rules or regulations come and i have not provided false information to give to any other congressional committee. reporter: that in a may 14, letter, lawmakers laid out that on many previous occasions, the gallic she gave false and misleading information to callers about what she knew about the targeting of these conservative groups and what she may have done about it. jenna: how is that received by senator members of that committee? reporter: they are not happy. they were chomping at the bit for a chance to ask her
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questions. what she did about these conservative groups. there was a bit of a response from congressman trey gowdy of south carolina. >> this is a courtroom and i agree. she does testify, she does wake up with amendment right. you don't get to tell your side of the story and then not be subjected to cross-examination. that is not the way it works. she waived her right to the fifth amendment i issuing an opening statement. she ought to stay here and answer questions. reporter: that do not fit well with congressman trey gowdy of south carolina. also critical in this hearing, they are hearing from treasury secretary neil wollen him as saying that the irs is not involved in this matter. lawmakers are asking what he thought about the and what he may have done or said about this and about what he learned in the activity of the irs.
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jenna: thank you, mike. >> thank you. jon: justin, new information in the justice department investigation into one of our colleagues. a mean you know well. lots of new details showing that it might have gone deeper than originally thought. shanwashington with that. reporter: we knew that the government obtained a search warrant to access e-mail of kings -- james rosen heard that we we we have no idea tracking it farther. in a filing made by the u.s. attorney's office dated october 13, 21, government detailed information including scores of phone numbers and e-mail exchanges that matter to many fox news hard lines and cell phones. and the diversion of the document we cannot see the final four numbers in each into the phone numbers. the area code and exchange matches phone lines that run to
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our workspace at the white house, pentagon, and the state department. the justice department gathered phone records went to fox news management. it is impossible without the full phone numbers to know exactly who the doj have talked to for the latest revelations regarding the phone records gathered by the government, the doj told us that classified information leaks can pose a serious risk of harm to national security, adding that investigators in the james rosen case followed all applicable laws, regulations, and long-standing department of justice policies. intended to safeguard the first amendment interest of the press in reporting the news and the public and receiving us understand it. jay carney tells ed henry that he cannot comment on ongoing criminal investigation. these revelations come on the heels of the news that the fbi agent signed an affidavit accusing james rosen of committing a crime by obtaining permission from a state department employee. that led to the search warrant they gave the government access to the account of james rosen.
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jon: thank you, shannon. jenna: a better understanding today of the devastation from the deadly tornado that tore through the city of trenton, oklahoma. according to authorities, 24 people have been killed, including nine children. and up to 600 times more powerful than the bomb that leveled hiroshima. reporter: really don't have to look too far to really understand the power of the storm. cars cost on top of each other like corded wood. piling up against each other. many stories of survival here. this woman took the cell phone video of this one coming in. it wasn't too long when she realized that would make a direct hit on her home. her children were already in the store shelter. shielded her neighbors to get off the street. she dove into the storm shelter.
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take a look at the video that she took them. [inaudible] >> my house is gone -- it's all gone. reporter: she said that writing out the storm was like nothing she had ever experienced before. listen how she described it. >> it is surreal. it is a big mix of emotions. you want to pray to god, you want to be strong for your kids, you want to cry. and you want your husband who is in there. you are worried, but at the same time you're thankful you're underground and you're not going to die. a lot of mixed emotions are gone reporter: her husband was at work at the time. she he had to park his car about a mile away. when he saw his wife and kid standing there in the middle of the street, he that everything is going to be okay. the death toll holding steady at
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24. i spoke with mary fallin about that. she actually, even one death in a storm like this is a tragedy, she was surprised it wasn't much worse. soon i'm surprised that it hasn't been higher. as you look at the devastation in this area, 17 miles long, 2 miles wide. the homes are gone. there just isn't anything there. it is just remarkable that so many people did survive. format one reason why is because they have storm shelters. the mayor said he's going to make a building called requirement that all new construction have a safer policy. the city was undergoing a rebate program for people who don't storm shelters but couldn't get the money that they wanted from fema. on their website they say that the requirements of interpretation of fema rules were a moving target.
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but here's the irony in all of this. so get the money now. jenna: we on the outside can only imagine. john roberts upgrade to enforce today. jon: we are awaiting jury deliberations to begin in the murder trial of jodi arias. the jury is about to decide if she will put the rest of her life in prison or put to death for the brutal murder of her lover, travis alexander. in our new interview, jodi speaks out about why she's doing all these interviews. >> what you think the jury will decide for you? >> i don't know. i can't say. >> i have no idea. reporter: effect you talk to me 20 minutes after you are convicted, you're talking to all
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us again now, why are you talking to us? >> are you talking to me? >> we are interested in what you have to say. but you have an interesting reason for talking. >> i regret making the deal with you. contrary to what everyone thinks, i'm a person of my word and i wanted to keep out an honor that. what i decided to do at this point is utilize the mouth piece that i have to bring awareness to domestic violence. jon: does she regret making the deal or something she said? we will show you more of her interview with fox news and also bringing you an interesting tweet that she sent from jail. our legal panel also weigh in on the cake. jenna: we look forward to that. an update on the three young women held captive for years in
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cleveland. their attorneys have news on how they are doing. as the kids who really should be talking about. the irs officially at the center of a firestorm over targeting conservatives. the official at the center of it. she said she did nothing wrong. potential political impact. >> this administration, which told us until the american people that the attack that killed four americans in the city of benghazi was the work and was caused by a video. it is not the same administration who expects us to believe that this scandal is just the result of two rogue agents in cincinnati. mr. chairman, the people don't buy it.
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crime stories that we've featured here on happening now. this man charged in the death of a 15-year-old girl. her body was found in the woods on monday. the suspect is due to make his first court appearance today. police have an affidavit with additional details to support charges against the 21-year-old suspect when he appears in court. and please are ending the active search for a missing newtown, connecticut, mother. her name is susan powell and her father is hiring a private investigator to find out what happened to his daughter. she disappeared almost four years ago. her husband was a prime suspect in the case. lester he killed himself and the couples two young sons had been caught in an explosive house fire. and three women arrested after being held captive. they are doing fine. the lawyers say the women are happy and safe, they still need more time for privacy am a bit overall, they are doing all right as they heal.
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>> i have been advised by my counsel to assert a constitutional right not to testify or answer questions related to the subject matter of this hearing. after very careful consideration , i have decided to file follow my counsel advice and not answer rested today. jon: that is lois lerner. refusing to answer questions. lawmakers wanted to grill her about previous testimony. in the opening statement, part of what you've heard, she did claim that she ever provided false information to any committee. this is brand-new details that keep spilling out about the white house, orchestrating a plan before it became public. charlie hurt is a columnist for the washington times. she pleaded the fifth amendment, refused to answer any questions.
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what you make of it all? >> and must be really nice to have your cake and eat it too. she gave testimony and defended herself and claimed that she did nothing wrong. she said it repeatedly. at the same time, she invoked her fifth amendment right not to incriminate herself and refused to answer any questions. it is really kind of -- she had it both ways. but this whole scandal, these irs officials make it so easy to despise these people. i mean, they come forward and they talk about how difficult it is, how hard their job is, how many employees they have, how much work they have to go through in order to carry out their duties at the irs. can you imagine if you had failed to file your tax returns on time and he went to the irs and said, well, i have so much work, so much paperwork that is exactly what we're seeing with new people. jon: mr. miller, yesterday
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expressed regret at the outgoing irs individual, he accused sucking up from conservative groups. >> that was probably the most interesting of the day. the guy was trying to get them to apologize, he has refused to apologize. of course i take responsibility, as if he he's doing something very generous by taking responsibility, the thing that i was not responsible for. jon: is lois lerner didn't do anything wrong, and she says that she did not come and that is what she said at a hearing this morning. we will take that statement at face value.
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why does she planted a question with one of her family lawyers to bring this up at an american bar association conference? this whole thing about targeting conservative groups so they can let the information leak out there and hope that it would go away. >> is just amazing. she may be legally okay, but she has done everything she can make something look like she's done it wrong. to incriminate herself, that is not just trying to do, but not answering questions -- so that they can kind of get the information out there, it looks very suspicious. she may not be guilty of breaking any laws. politically, the level of ineptitude is totally unfeasible. i think that is what is driving the outrage. jon: you also mentioned that
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mr. miller, given the time considerations, was not able to prepare written testimony. >> can you imagine if someone went to the rs on april 15 and said i can't occur by paperwork. the irs would be preparing punitive damages to not only get back what you owe them, but also penalize you for wasting their time and not filing on time. we are hearing from a lot of these groups and a lot of people who say that they have been targeted by the irs. think of the thousands of people they wouldn't even dream of coming forward because they were targeted further. the irs has to do its job. that is understood. it doesn't take excuses.
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it is really a bad moment for the american people. jon: this is the agency that is going to get bigger and higher? so it can monitor compliance with obamacare. charlie company so much. we have to run. jenna: big concerns about the benghazi terror attacks. that left four americans dead last year. we are learning the united states has a string of suspects and we know exactly where they are. but none of the suspects are in custody. ambassador john bolton joining us now to talk about the rest in failing to act now. and a florida woman accused of murdering her boyfriend at the end of an alcohol fueled argument. the latest on her trial coming up next
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jon: right now we are learning about gruesome photos shown to jurors at the trial of lord a woman. she's accused of murdering her boyfriend after a drunken argument. patti ann browne is in our new york city newsroom. one night in july of 2011, karen kelly had an argument with her boyfriend. she said she says she left after that and went to bed. she says her a security alarm later went on come and she grabbed her gun not knowing that her boyfriend had returned and she said that they struggled over the gun and then for some reason he grabbed it and shot himself in the head. she says that he was saying that you want to shoot me? just let me do it. the prosecutors do not believe that this 46-year-old father of four spontaneously decided to commit suicide during the struggle. they say that kelly killed him
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after a drunken argument. the 48-year-old realtor has been charged with man's water in that trial is now under way. yesterday the focus was on gunshot residue on both of their hands and dna from both of them on the gun. the defense is that the supports kerry's claim of a struggle in her call to 911 commission says the gun went off in the house. when police arrived, she told them that he took his arm and the handle and put it to his head. i said don't do this, it's loaded. as he mentioned, they also showed graphic photographs of the crime scene moments after the shooting death. karen kelly was originally charged with second-degree murder, but that charge has been downgraded to manslaughter. she faces up to 30 years in prison. jon: patti ann browne, thank you so much. jenna: new concerns today about the attack and then got to be killed for americans. fox is sources say that 18
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suspects are wanted in connection with that attack on september 11 of last year. the united states has enough evidence to justify capturing him by military force. but there is not always enough to try them in a civilian court. as the obama administration shows, there are questions about the dangers to americans. as long as the suspects were still free. ambassador john bolton is a fox news contributor. let's start there. the danger to americans overall, the suspects are free. how would you characterize that? >> there is a danger of the suspects themselves can carry out further attacks against americans, whether official or private citizens. there is a broader danger that the terrorists around north africa and around the world look at the way we handle the benghazi attack and say that attacks on americans can be carried out with impunity. the standard is built beyond a
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reasonable doubt. trying to do a crime scene investigation and ungodly is difficult, if not impossible. we will probably never have enough evidence to convict beyond reasonable doubt. that is what is wrong with the whole administration with the war on terror. jenna: i do think that that is the explanation for not finding these guys and holding them to justice? reporter: i think this incident brings on one single example. exactly what is wrong with the administration's worldview about how you handle terrorism. they are like in a time warp to the 1990s where terrorism was treated as a criminal act. prosecutable through the normal criminal justice system. as opposed to the way we treated it after the first 9/11 attacks in new york and washington areas we understood that the international terrorists were conducting war against the united states. so what we have gone back to is
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the criminal law paradigm rather than the law or paradigm. jenna: even two years ago, they have taken certain measures. an example being that the modern rate. also different examples of programming in yemen where an american citizen is killed by a drone without any sort of due process. so how does this explanation fit in with those other measures that this administration has taken? >> i don't think that there is any coherent pattern. i think that what you have to look for is what the preference would be. if they could do them all the same way. they would treat them as criminal prosecution. i think we have learned her lesson on the first september september 11. that treating military action and terrorism action and aggression like a criminal offense simply breeds more attacks on americans. we have an example of an in boston on april 15.
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i'm afraid that there are more to come. this is not just an abstract debate about the criminal law paradigm versus the law or paradigm. this goes directly to protecting american national security. in administration has made it very clear and conscious effort. it will pursue the least effective way of protecting our security. jenna: here's what one source told us. saying that this is what is actually happening in eastern libya right now. terrorists are being trained, he was on to say that if nothing is done, you will see fallout in terrorist attacks on a the scale like we've never seen it before. that is very scary. it is also something to understand about more. there are so many areas in the world that you and i have both spoken of about. why eastern libya? why would they suddenly be the handicap? >> two reasons, the eastern part of libya has been a very fertile recruiting ground for
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international terrorists for decades. number two, libyan state, as we saw last september 11. it does not control its own territory. so the terrorist groups operate as they do in somalia and as they do in yemen. just in the region, it didn't get a lot of attention here because it occurred during president obama's inauguration. forty plus foreign workers were killed. so the terrorism threat that is here now, it is not some hypothetical. the deterring conditions are a threat. jenna: ambassador bolton, we will continue to pay attention. jon: viewers may want to log onto fox news.com and read that post by adam housley about the pursuit of the benghazi suspects. very interesting reading. and a jury set to begin deliberation. fate of jodi.
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jodi arias is speaking to the media today. and a in a new interview she talks about the trial. also her dead lover. we have not asked nope eeeeh... oh, guys let's leave the deals to hotels.com. ooh that one! nice. got it! oh my gosh this is so cool. awesome! perfect! dad to the rescue. the perfect place is on sale now. up to 30% off. only at hotels.com
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that is not what she told her fox affiliate in phoenix. that was right after the jury found her guilty of first-degree murder. she came out and said that i would prefer to be executed. but now, in a brand-new interview, she explains why she is asking the jury to spare her life. >> you said that he would rather die than go to jail for life. with satellite? you no, i meant it when i said he met what happened? >> the same day i was convicted, i received a visit from my family and one of my cousins drove home to me and said how much it would affect them. speak to a adam housley has more on this candid interview with jodi arias. did she say why she was even doing these interviews remapped at this stage in the case? >> well, she really revealed the manipulative nature during these interviews. she blamed it on the media,
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saying that she was doing these interviews for the immediate purpose area we realize that the she is also found to be given the death penalty by the jury, you will never hear from her again, she will go away. if she is given life in prison, she can give interviews potentially if allowed in the arizona system. what is interesting is in this interview, this interview that she gave, she basically blamed it on the press, saying that it is the press is why she's doing this. take a look. >> whatever i say is going to be edited in flight. put together however they want it together. i mean, it is not to be here. >> all the interviews she has given over the times and she killed travis alexander, she never sought the press, according to tran-four.
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and she is blaming the prosecutor for this. >> she is blaming the press. >> she has talked to jurors about domestic abuse. and she has talked about that replicates. they apparently did not buy her case, would have convicted her of. what she told fox about the domestic violence angle in a statement that was a surprise. jurors are very skeptical of her story when they had a chance to ask her questions. arizona's state that allows almost every question back when she testified from the jury. they were extremely skeptical of her story. the whole domestic abuse thing was the main question why she killed travis alexander. yesterday when she was giving a 20 minute speech to the jury, she made him pretty interesting points, showing pictures of her family. the jury could start to feel her bed. then she throws up this idea of
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insinuating that she is a domestic abuse victim. you're such into that. >> i don't see how helping a cause is working against me. it is a cause i believe strongly in. jon: she also didn't apologize for killing traffic down alexander. she said she was never sorry. it was an interesting way that she addressed the jury. that is for sure. >> indy. thank you, adam. jon: let's talk what arthur, a former prosecutor and a criminal defense prosecutor. i'm sure that you have had some difficult clients. we think about what jodi arias has talked about? did she help her case? >> i think that she scored significant points when she told
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the jury, don't do this for me. or my family. they are the innocent victims in this case. the jury clearly did not find her credible. but her family. save me ,-com,-com ma how my family so my family will not be riddled with guilt. so i think that there is am positive that came out of this yesterday. although it is bizarre, there was some positive spin on the jury is not supposed to know. maybe they do, they're not supposed to no what they said after they convicted her. >> episode of difficult to hide the incident from them. here's the big thing that was missing, although joe is right on the money. it is heartfelt about her family.
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her family had every right to testify. jon: she said that her attorney told her don't put your mom on the van because you hurt your case. >> how is that? a mother leaving for the life of the child. however? jon: they are trying to get her a new trial or a retrial. her attorneys have tried to let. >> we are at the stage now where let's see what sticks. maybe there is a hail mary pass. after all, she is fighting for her life. jon: when her attorney got up there and said i don't really like her seven out of eight days or something like that, his background? >> that gives him a lot of credibility. it does. saint lo, my client may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but that doesn't mean they committed these crimes. here's what is happening. you have a jury who has slickly decided on her guilt.
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relatively swiftly. they decided on her guilt on the highest count. you have a jury deciding that this is a cool way of killing someone. and i think you'll have a jury that comes to the conclusion to give her the most severe penalty that they believe she deserves. that is up to them, whether it got or life in prison. i don't think this will be dragged out process. jon: if she does get the death penalty, she doesn't get any more tv time for interviews. >> she is getting everything in now. doing her best to fill the airwaves, and she has been quite successful. >> she becomes a nonentity. she is she's out of the limelight, it is over. jon: we will see what the jury decides. more oklahoma. updates. we have the update on the city of trenton. we will speak to the lady who let the city's recovery, following a very similar disaster in 1999. what is their plan to rebuild this time around?
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devastating tornado. we have the director of city development for the city of moore. she is a lifelong resident of moore, oklahoma. we are so happy and thrilled to have you with us today. can you tell us a little bit about how you even began? forty begin here? >> thank you so much. of course, it is extremely devastating at this point. we are still in crisis mode today. we are taking care of basic needs at this point. so looking at what we need to do with victims and families. as making sure that everyone is a. after that we moved to the cleanup. cleanup health access, lifting spirits, allowing people to better use the resources at our round him.
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jenna: what did you learn from the aftermath of 1999 enact that you fear will be applied here? >> unfortunately it is all too similar. and we have another tornado 2003 that was just as horrific. unfortunately, this one does seem to be seemingly worse as far as the areas affected and that is certainly including the death toll. so we learned that we can make it. so maybe having a sense of hope is going to get it through movies first few hours as we feel completely overwhelmed. we've done it before, we know that we have the resources and the support in place. we just have to know how to leverage them and when to leverage them and make sure that our local of the structure is not enough to do that amount
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for. jenna: one probability having said that the chance of your getting hit again were one in 10,000. the chances of that happening to her home twice is one in 100 trillion. i'm sure that you've heard the debate is ongoing. this national narrative, more government regulation, making cities like yours safer. so what are your spot on our? forty-seven i? >> i have lived here my whole life. so i am always be willing to take my chances and i feel like my odds are okay. no, they don't hit everywhere. i've lived in this town my whole life. we've had damage and i have seen damage to others. but everybody wants this -- they want to consider what the options are.
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the main thing is that our citizens are at eight and that they feel safe and provide the quality of life that make people want to live here. i've seen resilience and i have walked around and i people the day that we will rebuild. so we rebuild stronger and better and i can't see this being any different. jenna: thank you so much for speaking with us and we know the whole country is pulling for the city of moore right now. the violence in syria. violence spreading on the orders. secretary of state john kerry heads to jordan, who he is
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jon: there are some new developments now in serious work. the violence spreading out ride its borders. deadly clashes raging for a third day in tripoli between supporters and opponents of fishermen. our secretary of state, john kerry, he is in jordan to try to put an end to the fighting. colin powell is live in arm middies bureau now. reporter: the conflict in syria continues. spreading into borders like turkey and jordan. israeli officials have said that
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israelis soldiers have been taking increasing amounts of higher from inside syria. the fighting continues between supporters and revels in the town of tripoli in lebanon. we've had people have been killed there. this is all taking place as hezbollah fighters are now fighting with syrian troops. rebels are calling for reinforcements they are to hold onto the eddie. with the fighting spreading now into lebanon, there is a real fear of regional conflict. it is a fear that the interactive community is taking this lot more seriously. secretary of state john kerry arrived in jordan to take part in meetings. russia and iran are big supporters and have long backed the bashar al-assad regime. but these are really talks about talks. they are not so much peace talks themselves. but more of a view where the
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conflict and international community stands on syria today. neither the german government and the rebels have any official representatives at the conference. many skeptics point out that the international community has had a lot of meetings and produce very little in the way of substance. jon: is you cannot come in the killing continues be to an aspiring model killed. the dramatic outcomes to a close and what will the jury decide? our legal panel weighs incoming up next
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jon: the star witness in a hearing on the i.r.s. targeting of political conservative groups taking the fifth amendment after claiming she is innocent. we'll talk to orrin hatch who is trying to get to the bottom of the agency's misdeeds. jodi arias waiting to see if she will live or die. jurors set to meet in under an hour to determine her sentence. a beautiful model killed in a murder-for-hire plot. have a case that took years to come to trial could soon come to an end. but first, thousands of people at the mercy of mother nature as a 17-mile stretch of central oklahoma is coming to grips with the destruction of a massive ef5
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tornado. hello i'm joh jon scott. welcome to the second hour of "happening now." jenna: this is the second tornado. jon: they've had two in a row. jenna: i'm jenna lee. great to have you with us. the cleanup is beginning as rescue efforts are mering and end. police say they are confident every missing person has been located. this is brand-new video of the monster tornado that tore through the town of moore on monday killing at least 24 people, many of them children. we are learning the storm was more powerful than first thought, 2400 homes destroyed, businesses and schools leveled. listen to this man describe what is left of his home. >> this was the linen room, like washer drier. no furniture, there is nothing left worth saving other than a few pictures here and there. >> what do you do now? what is your plan? >> we going to get us an
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apartment and live there until we get us a new home. jenna: casey stegall is live with more on what is happening today. what is the feeling on the ground there? >> reporter: good to see you. what we're really talking about today is picking up the pieces. the police chief telling us he's about 98% sure that all of the missing have been recovered. they've been able to sweep all of the homes, all of th the debris and rubble at least once. they say they will go through through or three times with the search and rescue dogs. we have seen the death toll stand steady since yesterday morning at 24. the only change in that yesterday they were reporting out of the 24 dead nine were children. ta we just got word that ten are children, two infants. we are starting to see people getting back into the neighborhoods, in fact the police and the local authorities have kicked all of the media out of the neighborhoods because they are starting to move heavy equipment in so the cleanup process can begin and they
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clearly don't want to impede that, nor do we. right behind me the moore medical center, this is really a fascinating story one that deserves to be hold again. this is a whole complex. it was a relatively small hospital, and medical campus that is here serving the moore area. 175 employees were inside at the time, 30 patients, 13 of those patients were inc in patients. no one was killed or even injured. this building when you see the cars in the park, lot, the patient's cars, the doctors' cars sitting out here toppled around. when you swing around the corner to the damage in the front of this building be, just incredible that everyone made it out okay. that is what we are hearing here, incredible stories of survival. people who rode this out in living rooms, bathrooms, basements and storm shelters. listen to this guy's account. >> we got into a hallway, everybody huddled. i was over a little girl and the
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roof started to come in and i grabbed the phone par foam part of the roof and put it over the little girl then i laid on her, all the wind does exploded, i looked up saw it was right on top of us than and then it was gone that quick. >> reporter: very early estimates put the damage at this tornado around $2 billion a number we have seen increasing over the last several hours, jenna. jenna: back to you on the ground casey as news develops. thank you. jon: another big story we are watching page every developments occurring the benghazi terror attacks. sourcers tell fox news the fbi is currently tracking 18 suspects in libya, three of whom are purchased here. all wanted for questioning in the assault on our consulate that claimed the lives of four americans, including ambassador chris stevens. the white house believes there is enough proof to use military force to seize them. but it prefers to wait until investigators have enough evidence to try them in a civilian court here in the u.s.
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chief washington correspondent james rosen live with more on that. james. >> good afternoon. military sources tell our pentagon correspondent jennifer griffin that the u.s. has been tracking some of the suspects since october. separately sources tell our adam housley that challenging security conditions inside benghazi continue to impair the ability of fbi agents to operate there. any operation now requires a military strike, one course told fox news, because we will never get enough evidence to prosecute as the administration wants unquote. meantime two top dod officials, gary reid a principal deputy assistant defense. and gary robeson testified about the of yesterday. >> the state department had not asked us for help, for back up,
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and even though it was 9/11 and we had -- we were at a little higher state of readiness we weren't in a position to be supportive of those who lost their lives in benghazi. >> this is own ongoing investigation by an oversight investigation subcommittee. a lot of our questions were answered. we have a lot more questions that need further clarification. >> reporter: the period after the attacks also continues to provoke new questions and debate. most especially the obama administration's development of those false talking points that u.n. ambassador susan rice delivered five days after 9/11. >> benghazi isn't about scoring political points, it's about -- >> it certainly is. >> the i.r.s. is about making sure -- >> benghazi is a laughable joke. >> with all due respect governor when americans die serving the country that is not a joke,
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sir. >> oh, stop it. >> that is not a joke. >> the blame bein blaming of the president is a political joke. you've been banging on this for a year, nobody believes this was a sk-pbd tkal. >> reporter: 62% 0 the registered voters believe president obama could have done more to help the americans bee seemed and killed at benghazi. jon: james rosen live in washington, thank you. jenna: also in washington brand-new developments in the i.r.s. scandal with a central figure in the controversy appearing before a house committee investigating the matter. her name is lois lerner. she was the first official at the tax agency to acknowledge the program which targeted conservative groups. today she didn't have much to say. take a listen. >> because i'm asserting my right not to testify i know that some people will assume that i've done something wrong. i have not. one of the basic functions of the fifth amendment is to protect innocent individuals,
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and that is the protection i'm invoking today. jenna: doug mcelway is on the story, live in washington with more. >> reporter: more about lois lerner now she is a long-time government lawyer. prior to her tenure as head of the tax exempt unit in the i.r.s. she served as chief of enforcement at the federal election commission. a recently article in "the daily beast" calls her none partisan. during her tenure at the fec the agency sued the christian coalition for vie it louisianaing campaign laws in nine states. it was the largest enforcement action in the history of the fec, it spanned three election cycles, took seven years. under lerner they deposed hundreds of christian employees and donors and representatives in 49 states. the suit cost the christian coalition hundreds of thousands of dollars but it won the case. in one deposition fec lawyers questioned oliver north then a senate candidate in virginia about that time, and about
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whether pat robertson prayed for him. skwraeufpls blat was the lawyer for the christian coalition listen up. >> i was appalled. and white hot over it even though i hope the deposition doesn't repeal that. yo rereveal that. both political activity and religious activity are specifically protected by the first amendment ufrpblts he says he later became concerned when he learned that lois lerner was appoint he to the i.r.s. in 2003. he believes his concerned were well-founded now. he believes the targeting of conservatives goes higher than her, that it's a part of the administration culture. he told me, quote it's not surprising when the goal is to defeat your enemies and your enemies are being demonized that the people within the organization actually do so. in contrast to that lerner rapidly approved an application for tax exempt status for a
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nonprofit charity run by president obama's half brother. the processing of that application took less than a month. jenna. jenna: doug mcelway, live in d.c. thank you. jon: a deadly shootout in florida linked to the boston marathon bombing investigation. we have details on what happened there coming up next. and convicted murderer jodi arias changes her mind about when she wants the death penalty or not. will her latest appeal and a new round of interviews sway jurors who are about to decide whether she lives or dies? when you have diabetes...
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benghazi cover up controversy with the justice department snooping scandal coming in at number three. joining us now juan williams, a fox news political analyst. juan, also for the first time in quite a longtime president obama's approval rating is below 50%, 51% of americans reported in that poll that they disapprove of the job that the president is doing. that has to be pretty concerning to the white house. >> well, overall the polling seems to be holding fairly steady, jon, but in this poll, in the fox poll what we do see is a dip. it went down from 47 to 45. what you see, and the key here is the number you sited the disapproval over 50. i think that is a bad sign. the interesting point here is is it related to this trio of stormy scandals that we've seen invade washington over the last week or so? there is no clear indication. as you saw from the numbers that you sited earlier it's about 32%
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who say the i.r.s. scandal is the most serious scandal right now, and if you ask tea party folks it goes up to 95%. they feel that their liberties are being violated by this government right now. so it's pretty partisan. i don't see any damage really to obama's base, and in the fox poll when they -- people were asked, do you think it would have affected the election, it's pretty strong, over 60% say they don't think it would have had any effect if the scandals had been known about before the election. jon: i can see why the i.r.s. thing tops the list. maybe most americans don't think that the justice department is going to snoop on their emails or their phone calls like apparently happened with the "associated press" and other reporters. maybe the benge arthin benghazi thing seems like it was a longtime ago. when you add up the numbers when asked whether the obama administration was involved in
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covering up, or in solved -- i'm sorry, involved in the i.r.s. targeting of conservative groups 37%, said the administration knew about it or didn't initiate. 29% says they were behind the operations. that is 66%, two-thirds of americans think the administration at least knew about it. >> correct. and the question is, knew about it when? and knew about it how? this is the thing, when it comes to targeting these groups there is a suspicion, and i think this. byes way, extends across political lines. that is the real danger here. that's why from a washington insider point of view the polls are exactly right. the i.r.s. scandal is the one with the greatest potential danger to this administration, and it's because, jon, it crosses party lines. people on the left and the right think that the i.r.s. should not be used as a political tool, and worry that this has gone far up
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the scale into the white house, and the white house had some knowledge of what was taking place. and if that's the case, what you've got here is an explosive scandal that could absolutelyecr president obama. jon: i wonder whether all of these, you know, scandals are sort of, or these poll numbers are sort of lagging indicators. i mean new details seem to dribble out by the day, the story changes from the white house on exactly what was known when when the fox news pollsters asked people what they think about the obama administration on benghazi 60% said they believe they are trying to cover it up. only 28% say they are being open and transparent. that's a pretty bad number for this administration. >> again, you're exactly right. i mean these aren't good things by any measure. but when you get to 60% you have a pretty strong indication that people think something is going
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on this. the thing with the benghazi scandal is it's been around for a longtime. the i.r.s. is a little different. i reiterate, i think that is the most explosive scandal on the horizon right now because, again, people across political lines see it as threatening them. they think it's personal. in the benghazi case it's strong in terms of republicans who see it as a big scandal, not so strong in terms of democrats, independents, a little less strong than republicans on it. but it's been around, it's not a matter of new information dribbling out in the way with the case of the i.r.s. and miss lerner deciding today to take the fifth. as you just showed, jon, she said people might assume i'm guilty by taking the fifth, guess what, yeah in the court of public opinion people think public officials shouldn't be taking the fifth. jon: let's see if there are other groups who fell under th
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i.r.s.'s purview for special investigation if that list grows and it certainly could that will change a lot of thoughts in washington. juan williams, thank you. >> thank you, jon. jenna: a deadly shootout in florida involving the fbi, how its linked to the boston marathon bombing. what we now know about the investigation and where it's headed. we'll report that to you. plus, a final plea, jurors could decide if jodi arias lives or dies as soon as today wit today. what the convicted murderer told fox news in a jailhouse interview right after her final words to the jury. >> to me life in prison was the most unappealing outcome i could possibly think of. i thought i'd rather die. but as i stand here now i can't in good conscience ask you to sentence me to death, because of them. why are twice as many people choosing verizon
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snoop "happening now" jury deliberations set to resume at the top of the hour in the sentencing phase of the jodi arias murder trial. jurors will decide whether she will spend the rest of her life behind bars or gets a lethal injection for the grizzly murder of her boyfriend travis alexander. a fox producer sat down with jodi arias shortly after she asked jurors to spare her life. the convicted murderer said this when asked what she would say to travis' family. >> if i could and i don't think it will mean anything to them, but i really want them to -- i want their pain to stop. and i don't think that is even possible, but i wish -- i wish there was a way that their pain could be removed and taken away and stopped. i hope they are able to find peace. i hope they are able to find closure. i hope they are able to move past this.
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and i don't know how they'll ever be able to to that, i've caused so much pain and i don't even know if it's possible, but i wish, i wish that for them. i hope that for them and if there is anyway that can be done i want it done. jon: jodi now says she doesn't want to die after all. we will be keeping an eye on the phoenix courthouse after the jury resumes its deliberations we will let you know once they reach a verdict. it could come as soon as today. jenna: meantime in florida major developments in the boston bombing investigation. officials linking a shooting in florida to one of the boston bombing suspects. they say the man caught in a shootout once claimed to be a friend of tamerlan star tsarnaev who you are seeing on your screen there. phil keating as more. >> reporter: according to a friend in orlando, florida, a friend of the dead suspects, a russian national living in orlando legally per customs and
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border protection the fbi had actually come down to orlando and questioned him several times after the boston bombings, including last night during a phult tpaoeu hour intervie multihour interview when according to friends he flipped out. the fbi tells us a violent confrontation was initiated by the suspect. during the confrontation the individual was killed and the agent sustained nonlife-threatening injuries. the overnight shooting happened at an apartment complex in orlando not far from amusement parks. he knew tamerlan tsarnaev the older of the boston bombing suspects through boxing. >> when the bombing happened he actually came to me next day and said, i can't believe it, i can't believe they did it, you know what i'm saying. fbi started following him, starting asking him questions, why you guys like -- what kind of connection do you have with them, do you know what i mean?
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they were trying to make the connection between them but there is no connection, there is no connection, i know that for sure. >> reporter: reports out of boston suggest that the man was interviewed and questioned about an unsolved triple murder in wal walthham outside of boston two years ago. tamerlan tsarnaev also being looked at by investigators, as for the surviving tsarnaev brother he is due in court in july 2nd still to be charged with a slew of charges. dzhokhar tsarnaev continues to recover at a massachusetts medical center. for now he is charged with two crimes inch sro*flg th involving the use of weapons of mass destruction. the suspect overnight in orlando, he was arrested and charged two weeks ago by orange county sheriff's deputies for aggravated battery causing great bodily harm. jenna. jenna: phil, more on this as we get it. thank you. jon: there is some new
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controversy to tell you about in the i.r.s. political profiling scandal as the official this charge of the tax exempt unit tells congress she will not answer any of their questions at the same time insisting she is innocent. >> i have not done anything wrong. i have not broken any laws. i have not violated any i.r.s. rules or regulations, and i have not provided false information to this or any other congressional committee. jon: well, how all of this is going over with lawmakers, plus what they have learned from other hearings investigating the matter. senator orrin hatch weighs in. ♪
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arthur aidala is criminal defense attorney back with us and former prosecutor. we have joe benedetto a criminal defense attorney. he is with us as well. fascinating case. if it were not for dna which ask a new science past couple decades, if not for dna they would not have a case. >> not even last couple decades. 17 or 18 years ago once in a blue moon you were able to afford dna that is fascinating. the killer, whoever that is tried to destroy the dna allegedly there was a struggilng. when she left the house she turned the gas jets on and lit a candle hoping it would create an inferno and destroy all the evidence that part did not happen and therefore this woman is on trial. jon: her attorney said, joe, look, these two women didn't know each other. there was no contact between them. oh, except for, the prosecution points out, the hundreds of thousands of
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dollars transferred into her bank account, money for hire. >> well, that is clearly one view. but what we also have to know here the gent man who is alleged to have hired this person, has not been charged in this case and the prosecution themselves have said, that, that this particular person is not a subject. that, he is, he his motive was simply higher her to threaten the deceased and not murder the deceased. this alleged murder-for-hire theory has been inconsistent. way it is approached by the pro caution has been inconsistent. >> it is interesting, joe. you know where the guy is now? the good doctor went from l.a. and beverly hills to lebanon. this is not probably the most --. jon: dr. munir who was in a business relationship with the father of the victim, that relationship apparently went doubt south and not too long after that the vick tip was killed.
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>> that's correct. there is an affirmative statement by the prosecution in this case in a court filing by the prosecution saying that this doctor is not a subject of the investigation. if this is a murder-for-hire, if i am paying somebody $250,000 to murder somebody, i would think that would be a defendant in this case. they have had every opportunity to charge him. jon: does that court filing mean he is completely free of any risk of being charged here? >> in this trial it does. whether he comes to back to l.a., whether they put handcuffs on him or not, that remains to be seen. jon: that's what i mean. if he were to come back to the united states, he apparently disappeared in lebanon but if he comes back to the united states potentially runs the risks of facing arrest? >> what the prosecution is doing here to keep the jurors the eye on the bam. the eye on the ball is the woman who is sitting in that seat right there. they don't want to scapegoat him. he is really the one, let
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her go. jon: kelly soo park is the accused. when her attorney says there is no relationship between these two women. they didn't know each other. kelly soo park didn't have a motive to strangle julianna reading's. doesn't that ice it in the mind of the jury? hasn't the defense attorney done something to help the prosecution's case there? >> without a doubt. in my opinion, that's a major mistake because the one thing dna evidence does not tell you how it got there, and when it got there. for him to make this concession is a major, major -- >> the medical testimony shows that there was a severe struggle. that is where the dna is. there is no reason for the woman to be in the house to begin with. there is no friendship there. so the prosecutor is probably in pretty good shape. jon: it took more than two years to make an arrest in this case. they didn't have anybody to go on until they made the
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arrest and apparently all because of dna once again. arthur, joe. >> thank you. jon: jenna? jenna: new fireworks on capitol hill in the irs political profiling scandal as the house grills the tax agency's former commissioner doug shulman. also at the center, a woman. her name is lois lerner. she is announcing she is invoking her fifth amendment right hours ago not to incriminate herself but not before insisting she has done nothing wrong. all this comes on the heels of a contentious hearing yesterday on the senate side. we're joined by senator orrin hatch, republican from utah. the ranking member of the senate finance committee. that is the committee that has jurisdiction over the irs. senator, we were speaking the other week what these hearings would produce. the big question we all have, how close are we to finding out who is accountable for this? >> well, senator baucus and i, the chairman of the committee and i as ranking member, sent a very extensive questionnaire to
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the irs and we should get the answers back by may 31st. hopefully that will shed some light on this but right now the investigations both in the house and senate are just preliminarily going ahead although we did have the former commissioner and the acting commissioner in yesterday as well as the, as the investigator who investigated this problem. he didn't really investigate it. he actually audited which is a far cry from investigation. so there's a lot we have to learn. there's a lot we have to go into and we're going to have to follow up on this like we should. jenna: senator hatch, one of the things that the folks you continue to mention, continue to say and inspector general's report continues to assert that the targeting of tea party groups and other organizations that the targeting was not politically motivated. what do you make of that claim knowing what you know now? >> i thought former commissioner shulman and mr. miller, the acting commissioner, that i felt that they were pathetic in
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their responses yesterday. the fact of the matter we've got to get into this. it, it's anybody who thinks that this was just something that just happened, i think really isn't looking at it very carefully. i sent three letters over there. miller answered two of them and, knew about these problems and didn't mention them in the letters even though he knew that's what we were asking for. in other words evaded responses to the senate that he should have given and i just think that this is, this is a big mess for the irs and it is a big mess for the administration. anybody that thinks that this is not an important investigation, that could go as high as the white house, already is as high as the white house at least as far as people knowing about it and those that say --. jenna: on that if i could. you served seven terms as senator now. you're one of the most senior, senior senator that
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is serving. i like to draw upon your experience on this next question, which has to do with the administration changing a bit on the timeline who knew what when. what do you make of their assertion top advisors to the president did not inform the president of this investigation before he learned from the news media perhaps that this was actually on going? >> well i know those advisors and, as far as i know, they're honest people but it's kind of hard to believe that something this bombastic, this important, that they would not have counseled with the president on it, at least on the basis of maybe he would get some questions, that he would at least have to be able to answer. those kind of things bother me a great deal but as of right now, you know, i don't think this investigation has gone far enough to say there is criminal behavior here. i have to say, i feel badly that, miss lerner is taken the fifth amendment. you know, but that is her right and advice of her counsel. it certainly
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constitutionally protected right, but, you know, we've got to get into all this and we're going to have to, have to get to the bottom of it. jenna: what is within your power? >> a lot of things are not making sense. jenna: you said responses from those you asked the former commissioners of the irs, the acting commissioner of the irs you say their responses are pathetic. you wish that mrs. lerner actually answered some questions today. we know she took the fifth. >> yeah. jenna: what's next? how do we see this along to figure out what is going on? >> investigations are just beginning both in the house and in the senate. we'll get very extensive information back from the irs that senator baucus and i have requested. we'll take that and go from there. i think, the key is we need to get to the bottom of it. we need to make sure the most powerful of all agencies that most americans are afraid to hear from and afraid of, has to live within certain con strants just like all other agencies. and especially this agency. so our goal is to try to
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make sure that the irs, which is under our jurisdiction, is properly managed at all times and that the american public and the american people are treated fairly. whether they're liberal, moderate or conservative. i would be just as upset if it was liberal groups targeted like they targeted conservative groups. anybody who doesn't believe they were trying to keep those conservative groups from raising money and participating in the last election, i think, i have got a bridge to sell them somewhere that, for $100. the fact of the matter is --. jenna: hopefully not with our tax dollars, senator. >> that's right. i would report the $100. jenna: just a final question here. you were very clear yesterday and very fired up quite frankly at some of the answers you were getting saying that they were lying, virtually lying by omitting information that should have chem to congress. >> right. >> my lettersed asked, i'm
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sorry. jenna: what makes you think you can trust the information coming now from the irs? >> well, we're concerned about that but i have to say my letters were explicit. we asked for information on precisely these matters and frankly they didn't, the letters were unresponsive and frankly poor responses for what we had asked. i accused mr. miller of lying by omission. that when they found out about these things and they both claim they found out, you know, during the time that i sent the letters, when they found out about these things they had an obligation to come to us and say, yes, we found these things out. we want to disclose this to you. this is important. we're sorry we didn't know about it before if that's the case. they didn't do that. they basically wrote letters back that ignored the whole issue and that's not the way bureaucrats should operate in this particular environment. jenna: senator, we look forward to having you back as we continue to follow the story and where it goes
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right now. officials say two people are dead, five others hospitalized with a mysterious illness. some sort of respiratory illness. symptoms include a fever, a cough, and shortness of breath. but that's about all we have right now. dr. kevin campbell is a practicing cardiologist, professor the medicine at university of north carolina. we buried the lead there a little, dr. campbell because the cdc is involved here. they're very concerned about this even though it's such a small group. what significance is it to you when you have the government involved now? >> well, i think it's a very beneficial thing to have the cdc involved because the cdc is expert attracting illnesses and lots of infectious disease experts. this particular illness is disturbing because it moves so quickly. it makes people very, very sick. we need to understand more about the disease, what the commonalities in the patients are, and what is causing the disease so we
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can best treat it. >> this time of year, if you think about having a cough or any sort of respiratory ailments, you might think of allergies rather than think of the flu. in your mind you think potentially this could be some sort of flu mutation? >> i really think that's very likely. none of these patients have traveled based on the information that i have, which would lead us to believe it's something more localized. certainly the flu virus mutates and changes very quickly and this could be a particularly virulent strain of the flu. you know there's been rout breaks of things called corona virus in england that caused lots of deaths. this does not appear to be that either. jenna: what about the age range? when you think of someone getting ill or the cdc looking into some illnesses it is surprising to here that some people died from this. that is particularly alarming. what makes this disease so deadly or this illness, whatever it is? >> well you know, typically
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patients that are more susceptible to die from illnesses such as influenza are elderly or very young with undeveloped immune systems. also folks who have cronic illnesses like heart disease or lung disease or diabetes are more susceptible to having more complications from an infectious illness. patients who may not have a normally functioning immune system or have immunosuppress sieve disease. that is the thing i would be looking for if i were looking at these parity. >> what do you make of the fact it is only in alabama right now? >> it may be just a particular strain that has come up just there in that locale and it may spread and it may not. i think the key from a public health standpoint we ask folks to wash their hands, to cover their mouth when they cough with their elbow and health care workers need to use respiratory masks when interacting with these types of parity. >> health officials tell us they don't want people to panic. there are a lot of unknowns.
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something that definitely caught our attention. we appreciate your expertise as always, dr. campbell, thanks so much. >> thanks for having me today, general that -- jenna. jon: coming up the role of faith when tragedy strikes. how some folks in oklahoma are coping with the horrible disaster. >> it looked like a war zone. it looked like bombs had been ignited everywhere. there is a car parked in my bedroom, you know. it's, everything's gone, you know. just in a matter of 30 minutes your whole life is torn upside down. constipation, miralax or metamucil may take days to work. or faster relief, try dulcolax laxative tablets. dulcolax provides gentle relief overnight unlike miralax and metamucil that can take up to 3 days. for predictable relief try dulcolax.
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recovery. on a human level with so many lives lost and so much destruction what role is faith playing in the recovery? religion reporter, lauren green is reporting in the newsroom. >> tornado dos don't discriminate. this was equal opportunity disaster after affects those both religious and faith in a higher power. movie theater mark key in moore, oklahoma, display as sentiment displayed by many, please pray. tragedies can cause many people to lose faith not understanding why a loving god would wreak such havoc. for others, their strength faith is strengthened because the god brought them through the storm. >> i could see the roof going and small holes and insulation falling on me. i could see the swirl of the tornado as it goes by. i was asking god to spare me and he did. he saw fit to see me through to another day.
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>> reporter: relief efforts are with supplies and manpower are pouring in from all parts. country, many from religious organizations but not all. at times like this compassion too has no boundaries. >> there are places of hope all over this world and they're happening right here in oklahoma city right now. whether it is through the red cross or faith organizations or government, places of hope are happening for people. >> reporter: now, and to show you a little about the community affected, prayer appears on the front page of the oklahoma newspaper every day. today's prayer says, with truly open hearts, dear lord, we can see your presence where we least expect it. amen. now oklahoma is a very religious state. more than half its residents are evangelicals according to the pew forum and almost another third are protestant or catholic. jon? jon: lauren green in our newsroom. lauren, thank you. >> reporter: sure. jenna: the timeline in the irs political profiling
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washington where the obama administration is now facing increasing questions about what the white house knew and when it knew it. when it comes to irs targeting of conservative groups. i'm megyn kelly. a white house news briefing is about to get underway. jay carney expected to be grilled after changing his story. white house admits that the senior staff know prior to the dated they previously revealed but they actually consulted with the treasury department which oversees the irs on the strategy for how this would be unveiled and told to the public. when white house press secretary originally commented on the matter back on may 13th he was asked if anybody was aware and he said, quote, no. the white house counsel's office was alerted april 22nd of th
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