that is what is going on. that's sad. thank is for watching this special edition of the o'reilly factor. i'm bill o'reilly. always remember the spin stops right eeeeeeeee're definitely looking out for you. welcome to this special edition of hannity. we will be focusing on how to best reform the broken immigration system. joined by senator marco rubio and a special panel made up of experts on the issue. marco rubio has been pushing for immigration reform something that has not been successfully done in the u.s. since the 1980s. >> this administration has taken a strong stand to stiffen the protection of our borders. >> immigration reform. >> we need to have a comprehensive immigration reform. >> we have to have comprehensive immigration reform. >> immigration reform. >> sean: it has been promised for years but a group of shores

is trying to make it a reality. > 8 senators from opposite sides of the political aisle are coming together on a common sense immigration reform proposal that we believe can pass the senate. >> sean: the billion dollars 876-page bill still has a long way to go with more amendments to be proprosed and more hearings to be held. >> bottom line is we are very close. i would say we are 90% there shaun the plan has three main goals. secure the border. works clear the path for citizenship and three make it easier for some industries to hire skilled foreign workers when they're needed. >> we should make it easier for the best and brightest to come and start businesses and create jobs. >> sean: part one needs to happen first. >> they will not be able to a apply for green cards unless the border security plan is fully implemented. >> sean: only one problem.

>> a high degree of skepticism about securing the border. >> sean: that could be a deal breaker for many people. >> if the american people captain trust that the the boarder is controlled you are to passg to be able topples the bill. >> sean: the obama administration says they are on the way to doing that. >> we he stationed more border patrol agents than ever before. the border is as secure as it has ever been. >> seizures at record highs. border crime significantly decreased in border commune youities. that is a good story and we should continue to move in that direction. >> sean: some of those on the frontlines are not convinced. >> the border is not secure. it is safer than it has been in decades but it is by no means secure. and it won't be. >> eastbound west of the congress exit. >> sean: and pima county, arizona, the sheriff's department patrols more than 9,000 square miles of land. >> i don't know if you can see the mountains off in the destains but between here and there it is open desert all around.

miles of more open desert. >> sean: they confront the fallout from the porous borders daily. >> snuggling groups that -- smuggling groups that bring marijuana and human traffic through you the area. >> sean: they see mexican cartels operating on u.s. soil. >> they will find indications if there is scouts in the mountains. theyville different women -- theyville different equipment and satellite and radio phones. >> even more water. >> sean: every day dozens of miles north of the border deputies find evidence of ones who managed to get away. >> another one over there. >> the amount of water that they bring with them they he have been resupplied at least one before they got to this point. and these backpacks are spread over about 00 feet or so. -- 100 feet or so. they could hike all the way up as far as they could and then

as soon as they got the call that the ride was here they walk out to the roadway and load up and they are gone. >> sean: even with the border coming under more control the skeptics will be hard to wen over. >> this legislation declare it has triggers to guarantee that the border enforcement will be in place but that is not true. >> sean: supporters say that it is true and that border security is the key to finally getting something done. >> people are prepared to support immigration reform so long as we can ensure that there isn't a second wave of illegal legal immigration in the future. >> if it were easy we wouldster done it ten years ago, twenty years ago. this provides the best path forward. >> sean: what is next for immigration reform and does it have any chance of getting anywhere? joining us with reaction, florida senator marco rubio. good to see you. how are you? >> thank you. >> sean: almost 900-pages long.

let's talk about the bill. >> let's begin why answering why we are doing this. as a republican i can tell you this issue was going to come up in the senate with or without me. the democrats made clear they would bring an immigration bill to the floor so we had to have a position or alternative or view how to phoeni fix this. this is an issue hurting america as it is currently structured. what i begin by telling everybody that will listen is even if we didn't have a single illegal imgrant in the united states we would still have to do immigration reform. the legal immigration system we have now to legally immigrate here is broken. the one now is based on whether you have a relative living in the u.s. if you have a relative that lives in the u.s. it is easier to immigrate than if you have a special skill or talent or something to offer to the economy. immigration isn't just about people coming near work. it is about people coming here to vet. the most powerful economy in

the world. they come here as tourists and businessmen and investors and live here six months and go back to canada or some where else the other six months of the year. all of that is immigration and the process by which all of that happens is bureaucratic and broken. certain industries like agriculture do not have a reliable system to bring worker hes in. that is the first part that doesn't get a lot of attention because it is not as controversial. we have emgreat lakes laws not being enforced because we don't have the full mechanisms in place to enforce it. there is gun running at the border. there is human trafficking at the border and other things happening but the strongest magnet bringing people here illegally is jobs. we do not have a reliable national electronic verification system employers can use to verify that the people they are hiring are 100% legally here. we need to create one.

>> sean: e-verify.ou don't do u have to pay stiff penalties and fines. 40% of our illegal immigrants in the united states enter legally. they didn't jump a fence or cross the border. they came on a tourist or temporary visa. it expires and they stay. we don't know who you are. we don't register you when you go out. that needs to be fixed and the bill does those two things. that is why you are not hearing a lot about the two things. the last one is the hardest one and that is the border. you you have janet napolitano appearing before congress and saying the border is already secure. that january mines the effort. the rial etan is there have been improvements but not strong enough to stand what could come our way when the economy getser with when bill likes this passes. veto have improvements that are significant. none of these things work if we are setting ourselves up for

another wave of illegal immigration that we can't stop shuns the number one reason i wanted the -- >> sean: the number one reason i wanted the border secured was for national security reasons. it is not secure but they can secure it. that is one of the things i learned. i'm afraid somebody coming over into the country that wants to commit an act of terror. we have laws on the books now. those laws are not enforced. then it raises the question of confidence. >> right. >> sean: if we are not going to force the law now and arizona passes a law with the same language as the federal law and they are beaten up for doing what they wouldn't do nationally why would people have the confidence this would work this time? >> that is the problem is the lack of trust. republican administrations failed to do this, too. you don't get to 11 million people in the country illegally overnight. this took a couple of administrations or more for the problem to build up to the level that it has. let me describe some of the

laws are not enforced because we don't have the mechanisms to enforce. it is illegal to hire an illegal alien. business dos not have a reliable way to determine if that is truly the person. they show you a social security card. even if you ran it through e-verify you could get a false neglect seven. people who overstayed their visas, we track them when they come in but not when they leave. the boarder is not just about immigration. it is about national security and sovereignty. a sovereign country should be able to control its board her hes. i believe the nation that landed a man on the moon several times can secure its borders. people do not trust this administration and the federal government in general to do the law. it is straightforward and i tell this to people all the time. if we can figure out a way to write a bill that ensures that the border will be secure i believe immigration reform will

happen. if we cannot do that or fail to do that i do not believe immigration reform can or should happen. the issue is about getting that part of it right. >> sean: when we come back we will find out where we are in the process right now. we will continue with plenty more ahead with senator marco rubio and ask him about benghazi and the irs. our panel of experts join the di [ male announcer ] at hebrew national, we're so choosy about the cuts of beef that meet our higher kosher standards that only a slow-motion bite can capture all that kosher delight. and when your hot dog's kosher, that's a hot dog you can trust. hebrew national.

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special edition of "han etan." we are joined by senator marco rubio and a special panel of experts to talk about the always controversial topic of immigration reform. first some of the conservatives in the country on their side of the aisle say they support the idea of immigration reform but are worried about the details. here, for example is senator rand paul. >> it says well, you have to have a plan to weld a fence. but you don't have to build a fence. and if you don't have a plan to build the fence then you get a commission. i don't know what happens if the commission doesn't do anything. that is the story of washington around here. to me it is a little bit like obamacare and i hate to bring that up but 1800 ref rep refero the secretary shall at a latinoer date decide -- later date decide things. we should write the bill, write the plan, do the things to secure the border will fence, entry, exit, write it not delegate it because what is going to happen in five years if they don't do their job it may not even be them it might be somebody else who doesn't do

their job in five years and the border is spot secure we will be blamed for the next 10 million people who come here illegally. >> sean: i think senator paul has a point here. when it comes to spending cuts and tax increases you get the tax increase, never get the spending cut. here we will find a path to a green card and maybe citizenship but when are we going to get the borders secured for sure? >> a couple of thens. his point is generally well taken. it doesn't say you can come up with a plan but not do it. a fence plan has to be he substantially completed and a border plan that has to be substantially completed. e-verify must be fully completed. and the entry exit system done before a single green card is given out. where people are saying is we don't trust the department of homeland security to come up with a good border plan or a good fencing plan and maybe the alternative is to have the congress do that.

the point is that needs to happen. that is the lynchpin of whether this will work or not. >> sean: that is the biggest area of criticism. are you working on changing that? >> that is why we have the committee process. in the past certainly before i got to the senate people would go to a room and come up with a bill and draw it up and a take it or leave it proposition. i'm not sure that is the way this is supposed to work. the weigh -- the way he is works an individual writes up a bill as a starting point but 92 other colleagues in the case of this issue that haver that own ideas and have their own ways. we are in the process of doing that in committee now, the judiciary committee with many more days of hearings and it has to go to the full process not to mention the house. >> wouldn't you have an easier time selling this to conservatives concerned about a third, fourth wave of illegal immigrants coming into the country to just secure the border first?

>> the law does mandate that we secure the border. the fundamental problem is we have 11.5 to 11 million people in the country right now illegally most of whom we do not know who they are. not paying taxes or paying taxes sporadically. maybe getting paid cash or working under someone else's social security number. i believe it is our best interest to bring them forward and identify them as soon as possible. get them paying taxes and background checks for national security and crimes and get them in a system where we know who they are and where they are. >> sean: no benefits. >> wouldn't qualify for any benefits of any kind including obama care. >> sean: they would have to come out of shadows, identify themselves. back ground checks. >> for all i'm about to describe all you get is a temporary work permit that has

to be renewed. it expires in six years. when you come forward you will be background checked for national contract and criminal purposes. the collection of biometric information lea like your fingerprint and so forth and you have to pay a fine and then go out and be gainfully employed. when you come back to reapply for the permit, you can't even apply for a green card for ten years if you haven't been gainfully employed and paying taxes you will not be able to get reauthorized for the permit moving forward. >> sean: in the interim in the secure period who is going to verify, as certain, determine that the border has been secured? >> the way the plan is now the department of homeland security has to come up with a border plan and a fencing plan. two separate plans. he wanted them is separate. some want to take the money and use it for technology. fencing is a jet cal component. there are area of the border

will fencing will work. they have to come up with the two plans. >> sean: why do we trust janet napolitano when she says the boarder is secure? >> the good news is she will be there at most for three and a half years. maybe replaced by somebody worse, maybe by somebody better. they have five years to substantially complete the two plans. two of the years will be done by somebody else, not just them. that is the point. you hit on the exact point. not just janet napolitano. people don't trust the federal government is going to come up with a good plan for the border. if we can get that part of the bill right i think people are willing to support immigration reform are. >> sean: you are are thinking maybe it wasn't the best idea to put it in janet napolitano's hands or the administration plans. there is another alternative? >> that is usually the way it works. law enforcement officials whose job toss enforce the law and tell them you must do this and here is the funding to do this and' lou them to go out and

find the right technologies and right mix of of fence and technology to do the job. the lack of trust in the federal government by the way not made any better by the event tion of the last few days, things we learned the federal government has done in other realms whether the irs -- >> sean: we will get to that. >> the lack of trust in the federal government and in in particular this administration makes it harder to convince people coming up with a plan like this on its own is good enough. maybe the solution is to have congress actually write that plan for them. >> sean: we will come back. more with the panel of experts asking questions of senator rubio as we continue. less travelled? then you belong at bass pro shops' go outdoors event and sale. now for a limited time, well-qualified buyers can get 2.99 apr financing on america's favorite boats.

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>> sean: and welcome back to "hannity." our special audience of legal experts and political experts. dealing with the issue of immigration and senator rubio is going to take questions from the audience. congressman, house is going to be key in the bill. >> i hope so. marco is not only rising star, he is a star and i think the future of our party and i'm thrilled he is a republican senator. i think it bodes well for us. but he hasn't learned the hard way yet that you can't trust this government to do what they say. even chertoff would promise things about border security that did not happen. then when we think about adding 11 million or more people to those being investigated, heck they he couldn't even get a good investigation of the boston bomber when the russians put it in their lap. i'm extremely concerned about the the 11 million that we are told would be investigated when actually they will cripple an

already crippled system. my concern and my question really is why don't we take care of securing the border and then i promise you, i guarantee you we will be able to get a bill quickly and easily. as the sheriffs are telling me all along the border -- this.fur katewant to bifur kate >> thank you for your kind words. you raise a good point. that was my position. do the fence first and then worry about it -- here is why i felt that the other way may be better. the 11 million here now illegally we want to know who they are as soon as possible. we don't want that number to be 12, 13, 14. say you had to o the ground have been able to prove that you were here by december of 2011.

i don't want word to get out once they are done securing the border then they will legalize people because then you will have a rush. that is part of it. at this time with the deficit and debt that we face the money we are using to secure the border the $5.5 billion assigned to the border most are coming from the fees and fines the 11 million have to pay. listen we are not the doing it just for that purpose. there has to be a consequence for violating the immigration laws. we are compassionate people blue has to be consequences for violating the immigration laws of the united states. one of the consequences is a $2,000 fine and most of that money is assigned directly to these things. >> we know that so many are not in the shadows because our wonderful irs provided just by congress saying you had to have a social security number to get the tax -- child tax credit we got people that got tax numbers without social security numbers and they are getting billions of dollars. >> and we can fix that with or

without immigration reform. >> sean: i was down at the border six times. out on helicopter. horseback, which was a joke. i was out on all-terrain vehicles and out in boats. 6 or 7 locations around the border. i saw the tunnels from san diego from mexico and the drug warehouses when i met those guys on the front border and you are i inpy piniella co. >> we are the number one pass through county for drug and human struggling in the country. we are not even on the border because interstate 10 and 8 intersect in our county and last year, senator, there was 123,000 illegals apprehended in the tucson sector. meanwhile we have as you pointed out there is a breach of trust. secretary napolitano in order to get to this point of immigration reform she has

tried to believe, get everybody to believe that the border is more secure than ever, look the other way so we can get this immigration reform. a a year ago we had the largest drug bust in the history of arizona in my county. we -- 76 members a cartel armed with 108 weapons. prohibited poe he sessionsers and this is what we call -- possessors. this is what we call clues that the border is not secure. it brings up your point and sean's point earlier a national security issue. if we have 123,000 illegals who want to come here to work and don't have means financially education, but those people from countries of trw deliberate plans and possibly military training and the concern nationally of possible terrorist threat. >> sean: we have to go to break. i have one question that maybe you can address. what would you like to tell the

senator based on your experience that would help this bill and make it better? >> i just retired 20 years as an army officer and commanded 700 active duty officers in yuma. we achieved 97% reduction in illegal entries in that sector. we can do it contrary to what the secretary says. you plan does not have implemented and we have to draft it and require, 6,000 armed soldiers for a two year period and the fencing you must have that not along 2,000 miles of the border. 700 miles of predetermined areas, historical proven paths of smuggling in the high trafficked areas and urban centers south and north of the border have the technology not just cameras, infrared at light, sensors, lighting. and most importantly, senator the enforcement of the law. we had dispair rate enforcement of the law depending on what

sector you had. this administration gutted the law you. >> sean: we are short on time. quick answer. >> he is right and that is exactly right and what you said it a multifaceted approach. fences in some places and guards border patrol military in others. people don't trust dhs would do that. >> sean: would that be the plan? >> you have been involved in drawing up a plan. >> the mccain kyle plan. >> sean: we will come back with more as we continue on this special edition of "hannity." this is a fox news alert. a small group of latinos claiming the deputies pulled

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as a latino myself who had to go through the pro o the ground sessions of a cumbersome immigrationor deal what is the plan for those entering the country illegally. i comcame here on a student vi. i could have been an undocumented immigrant if it wasn't because of marriage which shouldn't be the only way. what is the plan? i hear a lot about border security. there is a talent with people like me that come here and didn't have a way to stay while i had a job offer from a fortune 500 company? >> the bill says if you have a phd or masters in science, technology, engineering and math and you are a graduate of a u.s. school and have an offer from a u.s. company you going to get to stay. we are not worried about being overrun by phds in physics and things like that.

imagine if you are a business owner in the united states and here on a nonimmigrant visa you would have to leave the country and start from scratch. we have skill based to convert if they want to be. the job creators and people that own businesses and employ people. one of the fixes to a broken legal immigration system. the sheriff touched on something else. you have a supply of people willing to work in the united states for jobs that aren't being filled domestically. a demand for those workers here. those two things will meet. a reasonable process for them to meet or a chaotic process for them to meet? right now it is chaotic. >> thank you for all you are doing move this forward. when i was at dhs we learned it is hard to enforce the border provisions and i agree with the sheriffs and congressmen that

verification is critical. so in this respect i think your bill is weaker than what we did under bush in '07 but it is stronger on the legal immigration side. my question is if you look at the '86 amnesty literally over 60% of those offered amnesty declined it and so the path to citizenship issue is this. that has been a difficult problem. does it make sense to have a path to citizenship or better just to allow someone to have some type of legal status and eventually their children will be u.s. citizens. >> sean: jeb bush said no to citizenship and senator cruz. >> it is not -- there really isn't a path to citizenship. a path to a green card. for ten and a half years minimum some people longer depending on when they get the temporary stratus that is all they will have, work, pay taxes and travel. after that the only thing that happens is you are are no longer are prohibited from applying for a green card.

you are not awarded a green card. all that happens is you are no longer prohibited from applying for one. still have to qualify and get in line and do all of those store sorts of things to get it. in the long-term for the country i do not believe it is a good idea to have 10 million or 11 people permanently barred to ever aspiring for citizenship to a country. it has been a disaster for europe to have people trapped in that category. we want people to assimilate to america and embrace politically and cultureally and sit senship offers that. we don't want to proh hub by the people from doing that. if you have broken the immigration laws you have a long and expensive process as a consequence of breaking the law. >> sean: we will come back and try to get as many as we can in. a lot of questions, right? and i have a question about benghazi and the irs. we will continue with senator marco rubio and our panel, straight ahead. when our little girl was born,

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>> sean: welcome back to "hannity." our special audience ehe degrees and, of course, we are joined by senator marco rubio. the issue is the immigration bill. michelle fields, good to see you from the latest attack on the the bill has is to do with the cost. the objection is not so much with immigration but the entitlement state. more people in the country means more people using services. is costly and a valid concern. have you thought of putting in meaningful entitlement reform into the immigration bill? >> i would be working on that right now. unfortunately, these guys don't want to do it. it bill has a ten and a half year period where people still can't get a green card for ten years.

medicare goes bankrupt in nine years. >> if you are an illegal immigrant in the united states and get the temporary status for ten and a half years or more -- actually the first five years of a green card you don't qualify for food stamps. eventually the whole system is bankrupt not just of them but because of the way it is designed. you will have people paying taxes that aren't paying now. medicare and fica and security taxes. >> carlos, good to see you. >> senator, good to see you. in 2010 i visited the border with senators kyle barassoo and lemieux. we have to do more. it can't be the only thing. in miami dade county we spend over $20 million every year as a direct result of the broken

immigration system. the federal government doesn't reimburse us despite the fact that it is their fault. why? because like you said a lot of people overstay visas and in some cases the government lets families with children in in the middle of school year which imposes a burden on schools. we all support border security but has to be more than that. >> that is why the entry exit system is important so we know when people come in and also know whether they left or not in real time. >> good to see you, senator. part of the fuzzy math in the afall issues of the bill by certain sectors and certain think tanks has dealt with certain assumptions. assuming that all 11 people will get is citizenship and all are hispanic and they are all poor and they will stay poor for the rest of their lives and their children will be poor and their grand children ar will be poor. talk about that and the confidence you have in the american dream. >> i have tremendous confidence in the american dream.

the immigrant experience is one of upward mobility. if that is not what we are in the country we lost the essence of what our country is all about. let me say this about the point you made. not only these ten and a half years these folks will not qualify formy federal benefits. not only have to be able to survive in the country for ten and a half years for federal benefits to be renewed on the temporary status have to be proved they are gainfully employed and paying taxes. thiif they can't prove that thy can't even be reauthorized. >> amy krame fresh the tea party. >> the republicans have control of the narrative to an extent and were not letting the democrats, you know gorgeous through the process and come up with the legislation behind closed doors and shove it down our throats like obama care. we don't trust the federal government as we can see with

the irs earlier this week are or last week all that has come out. the biggest issue is border security. we have laws that are not being enforced as you said and this administration has no concern for the rule of law and at the end of the day elections are everything and i believe that they used the irs to suppress the opposition in an election year. how do we know that they are not going to find a way to get this through and push -- shove it down our throats so that they again can lead on it and win an election and you have people in the gang of eight that are voting against border security in the judiciary committee. >> sean: maybe you can answer amy's question through the prism of the irs issue with conservative groups. >> people don't have trust that the federal government will do its jobs and have worries that the federal government under the administration has political motives for the way it does its job. i said this to everybody. i believe the vast majority of americans including the majority of conservative republicans are prepared to support immigration reform if

we can ensure that we never have another wave of illegal immigration again to which the border issue is important. it is simple. if we can come up with a plan people have confidence in i believe we will have immigration reform. if we cannot we should not and we will not. i don't think it will pass without those measures in there. i just don't. >> sean: we will take a break and come back and ask the senator about benghazi as this all business purchases.

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,oes this mean the political it would lean more to the democratic party. 50% of the hispanics are leaning more democratic. we try to get past the issue. talking to hispanic individuals and saying what do you think and they are like unless we get through this immigration issue you can't compete for our vote and i agree with that. >> i agree the immigration issue is a gateway issue. we shouldn't do it for the politics this of. i see something that is hurting the united states of america. a country that i owe basically everything to other than god and my family and my family owes everything to this country. i see something that is hurting it bad and i think we need to fix it. that is why i'm doing it. although there are political implications. i think the republican party would do well among hispanics.

we should be doing this because what we have now is bad for are america. >> you mentioned survivors you ply and demand earlier. that is the core of the problem. we have too many immigrants chasing too few visas. i see an attempt to separate, however, the handing out of the guest worker program from the security aspects. i'm wondering to what extent we put in place a guest worker program we reduce pressure on the border. most people are coming here to work and the homeland security people i have spoken to say we don't want to spend a lot of time chasing down people coming here to work we would rather focus on the drug dealers and human smugglers. to what extent could the guest worker program alleviate pressure. >> if we create a cost-effective legal way for people to come here temporarily and return to their home country and come here in the future when needed i think it would reduce the illegal immigration immensely.

>> thank you for being here. otherwise i think it would be a completely liberal bill and this would be completely president barack obama. immigration reform is a critical issue. i want you to talk with or address how this is a conservative issue and why conservatives should be behind this? >> conservativism is about solving problems. taking the time tested principles and applying them to the issues of the day. this is a major issue of the day. other issues bigger and more threatening. the national debt and the fact that the economy isn't growing. this was going to come up. conservativism has always been about solving problems. >> first of all, my he wife who is puerto rican loves you and she would be upset if i didn't mention that. more and more colleagues are saying this is am necessarity. what do you say to people who say this is a pure flat out amnesty program? >> am necessaricy iamnesty is s

of something. a $2,000 fine, background check, national security background check. you are not going to round up and deport 11 million people. anything short of rounding up and deporting 11 million people is amnesty then that is somebody else's definition. >> every attempt at reform in the past tried and failed by establishing rigid quotas overtaken by reality. are you will ready for a system more flexible and open that the demands for work is much higher than the quota. >> we want to protect american workers by require, that the jobs be offered to them but safety valve provisions that allow you quotas to increase as there is dramatic need in the economy. >> there are dozens of amendments that related specifically to borderrenc boad enforcement but you decide to be nongermane. >> i know one that was passed was senator grassley that

requires the entire border to be secured not just the high sectors. unless we get confidence we will secure the border the bill won't pass and won't become law. i'm interested in passing a law that helps our country. >> sean: karrie picket aka lois lane. >> there is already a lawsuit out there in for two towns in mississippi saying there are more active voters than there are actual eligible voters out there. how is it that with new people in millions of people who aren't actually legal here in this country, how are you going to really handle the amount of voter fraud that is potential in that? >> they will now be identified. the way that could happen is the way people jet jobs now. they show someone else's i.d. and social security number. under this bill every person who comes forward that was previously illegal will now be identified and we will know who they are.

youville an eyefication -- you will have an identification card assigned to you. >> sean: mike, we will get you in. go ahead. >> senator, thank you and to your co colleagues for raisingd creating a merit based system. i'm a second generation immigration lawyer. we are telling people either get a visa based on employment or family or investment. we pale in contrast to other countries. it is more of a comment to make sure that the focus isn't only on the borders but the wonderful diamond in the rough with a huge legacy of immigration that we can't afford not to have some kind of reform here. i urge you and your colleagues. >> sean: quick. >> i agree. and the most important part of the bill quite frankly in terms of the economy is the modernization of the legal immigration system proamerican economy and good for us in the future especially. >> sean: we could have done three hours with this audience. senator, a pleasure. thank you for being with us. we he appreciate it.

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