weekend. but thank god for those who gave it to you. from new york, this is mike huckabee. good night and god bless. [ applause ] welcome to the special audience edition of hannity. for the entire hour, i'll be joined by somebody who had the internet buzzing following his remarks at last week's national prayer breakfast in washington, d.c. dr. benjamin carson is one of the most accomplished physicians in the entire world. despite his many accolades including being awarded the presidential award. until he stepped up to the podium last thursday morning and with the president of the united states sitting steps away, dr. carr son, eloquently and politely described his vision for saving america. among the topics that he covered, the perils of political krekness, the health care system

education and more. let's look at a preview. >> one last thing about political correctness, which i think is a horrible thing by the way. i'm very, very compassionate and i'm not ever out to offend anyone. but p.c. is dangerous. because you see, this country, one of the founding principles was freedom of thought and freedom of expression. and it muzzles people. it puts a muzzle on them. why is it important to educate our people? because we don't want to go down the same pathway as pinnacle nations that preceded us. i think particularly about ancient rome. very powerful, nobody could challenge them militarily. but what happened to them? they destroyed themselves from within. moral decay. fiscal irresponsibility. they destroyed themselves. if you don't think that can happen to america, you get out

your books and you start reading. >> we're going to have a bunch more of the doctor's speech as we continue tonight. not surprisingly, whenever somebody has the courage to speak truth to power, particularly involving the president, he or she quickly becomes the bit of a political lightning rod. that phenomenon happened in the aftermath of dr. carr son's comments with some pundits describing the actions as disrespectful. tonight he'll have the opportunity to respond to the critics and we'll hear about restoring credibility to health care system and we'll have a focus group of voters who actually dialed dr. carr son's speech. do they think he'll have a shot at the white house? it's time to meet the man himself. we welcome the author and director of pediatric neurosurgery at johns hopkins, dr. benjamin carson. an honor to have you. >> thank you.

great to be here. doctor, you've gone viral. not something you predicted in your life? >> usually in medicine we think of viruses as not a good thing. but this one turned out to be very good. because i've been just overwhelmed by the responses. so many people are just overjoyed to hear some common sense. i don't think that i put fort anything that that's that intellectually challenging. it's just that it's so much better of most of what we're hearing from washington that it seems like a great revelation. you know, the important thing i think, is to begin the dialog. you know, some people say you can't say something like that in front of the president. when did this become a monarchy? you know, we are the people. the president works for us. you know, we need to remember that. this is a country that is for, of and by the people. not for, of and by the government. that is the big battle that we

are in right now. we need to make a decision with our eyes open which country do we want to be. >> it's interesting because you made the comparison of ancient rome and you said this could happen to america. is that something you fear? >> i definitely fear it because we're in very much the same position as they were in. so powerful, pinnacle nation in the world, no competition, going to be there forever, so they thought. and then all the military expansionism started and capturing this group and this group. that requires a lot of resources when you capture people to keep them under control. and they quickly began to run out of money. and then they're looking for any kind of scheme to get money from the people and the rich people, they have a lot of money. let's come up with some schemes to get their money. and of course, that erodes another aspect of confidence and creativity within your society, and they just continued right down the path of destruction.

>> that could happen here? >> it's in the process of happening. the real question is, are we smart enough to stop it? can we actually learn from those who have gone before us or must we go down the same path as all those people who preceded us? >> let's hope not. you said somebody has to stand up to these bullies. define the bullies you're talking about. >> they're the p.c. police. you know, they come in many shapes and forms. certainly a lot of them in your business. i'm very well aware of them, yes. >> the media who try to define what you're supposed to think. and unfortunately, i think it's a very thing that our founders were talking about when they said it's so important in our system of government is based upon a well-informed populous.

because if they're not well-informed, they're very easy to manipulate. and all you have to do is look at some of those jay leno segments where they go man on the street -- >> jaywalking. my favorite segment. by your background, this is amazing to me your background. your mom was married at 13. >> yes. >> one of 24 children? >> yes. >> and you were not a very -- you were a trouble maker. >> i was perhaps the worst student you've ever seen. you know, i thought i was stupid. all my classmates thought i was stupid so there was jenna agreement. >> that was in fifth grade. >> that was in fifth grade. you know, fortunately for me, my mother believed in me when no one else did. she just said benjamin you're much too smart to be bringing home grades like this. i brought them home anyway, but she was always saying that. one day she just came home after being at work and being inspired by looking at all the books that

her employers were reading and she said, you guys are going to read books and stop watching so much television. she made a prediction, which is really quite uncanny. she said, if you start reading books, one day people will be looking at you on television. hi everybody. [ laughter ] >> very well said. it was even deeper than that. she had a third grade education herself. >> yes. >> you made a comment in that speech that she would look over your reports. you had to write a book report. >> right. she said we had to read two books apiece and submit a written book report which she couldn't read. she would put check marks and highlights and we would think she was reading them but she wasn't. i hated it so much because everybody else was outside playing and having a good time. my brother and i were stuck in the house reading these books. after a while i actually began to enjoy reading the books

because even though we were desperately poor, between the covers of those books, i could go anywhere, be anybody, do anything. i began it read about amazing people. i read about booker t. washington, his autobiography called "up from slavery." he was a slave and it was illegal for slaves to read. and that right there is a topic in and of itself. that a lot of young people should be thinking about. why was it illegal for slaves to read? because the slave owners knew that if they could read, they could liberate themselves. and the same thing goes today. those young people who are not availing themselves of the educational opportunities are intentionally enslaving themselves. >> the latin phrase for education to bring forth from within, presupposes all of these kids were born with that talent. that's their gift. >> absolutely. >> you had a particular talent too in school where you could push people's buttons. i read a commencement address

you gave in 2007. that was a particularly good talent of yours. >> it was. i would study my classmates, figure out what made them really, really angry because they were always calling me dummy. this is the way i would get back at them. i would figure out what made them angry and i would just irritate them and irritate them until they were about to explode. never pushed the last button until we were in the classroom and the teacher was nearby. >> all right. stay right there. dr. carr son, we have a lot more to get to tonight. still ahead, an open forum between dr. carson, medical experts and much more, plus there is talk about recruiting the doctor for potentially a 2016 run. we'll talk to frank luntz and his group that had everybody talking. he may have found some campaign volunteers for team carson. saving america continues, straight ahead. all business purchases.

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what about our taxation system? so complex, there is no one who can possibly comply with every jot and tid will of our taxes. what we need is something that's simple. when i pick up my bible, you know what i see? i see the fairest individual in the universe, god, and he's given us a system. it's called tithe. we don't necessarily have to do a 10%.

but it's principal. he didn't say if your crops fail, don't give me any tithes. he didn't say if you have a bumper crop, give me triple tithes. >> finally, after months if not years of hearing president obama about the rich paying their fair share, somebody had the courage to stand up and issue a rebuttal to the president and his warfare rhetoric. it came when dr. benjamin carson issued a forceful challenge to the liberal approach to the national prayer breakfast. unlike so many politicians in washington, the doctor's comments were much more than meaningless bluster. he backed them up with facts and policy proposals, including a flat tax. joining me now to talk about his approach at that saving america's failing economy, my guest for the hour, please everybody welcome back dr. benjamin carson. [ applause ] >> i'm just curious. i don't know if anyone has asked you this question yet. what was the president's reaction personally to your speech? did you talk to him? >> i talked to him afterwards.

he came over, he was very gracious. said, you know, thank you for your speech. he didn't say he enjoyed it. but he did say -- [ laughter ] he said he admired me. >> i suspect you might have known that going in. let me play -- you said something in talking about the economy that really hit home with me. that's about the deficit. $16.5 trillion we have. >> that is a number that is so mind-boggli mind-boggling. that's why i said, if you counted one number per second, it would take you 507,000 years. more than half a million years. it's a number that's just staggering. it's continuing to grow and you know, we sit around and we talk about, well, maybe we can keep it from growing further. we need to reduce it. and the way to reduce it, obviously, is to get the economy

growing again. you know, it doesn't really do any good to keep taking from this tree or that tree and squeezing it down. you know, i talk -- i like parables. in the book america the beautiful, i give a parable of two identical brothers. they're put on a deserted island with their families. one had a philosophy. they only ate trees and products of trees. one had the philosophy, i'm going to eat what i need and i'm going to let the others grow. pretty soon, he had an entire forest, he had enough food forever. the other one, as soon as a sapling came up, he was on it and eating it. and he and his family starved to death. basically the same kind of thing, if you keep taking and taking rather than creating a situation where you can grow. you look at the fact that we have the highest corporate taxes in the world and then we wonder

why companies are going off shore. well, we need to go back to basic business school and understand that companies are there to earn money, not to be social welfare organisms. >> let me play for you a history. this is president obama as said many, many times he's going to fix the debt and the deficit. he spoke earlier this week at the state of the union. let's go down memory lane here. >> now, what i have done throughout this campaign is to propose a net spending cut. i want to go through the federal budget line by line, page by page, programs that don't work, we should cut. today i'm pledging to cut the deficit we inherited by half by the end of my first term in office. >> i will use the money we're no longer spending on war to pay down our debt. my plan would cut our deficit by $4 trillion. what my opponent didn't tell you was that federal spending since i took office has risen at the

slowest pace of any president in almost 60 years. >> $6 trillion in new debt since he became president. i'm not asking you a political question. to me, this is more of a moral issue. >> it is. >> you can't steal from your kids and grandkids. >> and the people years before world war ii is when it started deteriorating. always felt that we needed to pay our debts down and, again, you'll see lots of quotes in the book about what our founding fathers and some of our predecessors thought about sending debt to the next generation, that in fact it was immoral. we've completely forgotten about that now. >> i think that is a defining issue of our time. >> it is. the other thing is we need to create a situation that has everybody involved. everybody has to have skin in the game in order to make this work. we talk about an egalitarian society. well, if everybody is paying

according to their ability, which is what the tithing system was, proportional. if you make akah zillion dollars, you pay more taxes. if you make very little, you pay very little tax. but your skin is in the game. the reason that our government as it stands now doesn't like that is because if everybody has skin in the game, makes it harder to raise taxes. now you got to be accountable to everybody and up can't just make one 1% or 2% or 5%. >> we're going to take a break. we'll come back and when we come back, dr. carson will share with us his prescription for curing america's failing health care system and then ben carson for president? that was of the headline of a recent "wall street journal" editorial. are politics in the doctor's future? we'll ask him and frank luntz and his focus group dial up. we're glad you're with us.

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nobody talking about death panel. welcome back to the special studio audience edition of hannity. we're calling it saving america. joining me tonight for the hour is dr. benjamin carson. since his remarks at the national prayer breakfast, he's quickly become one of the leading voices against government-run health care. unlike so many elected representatives in washington, he isn't simply complaining. he's offering real, reasonable answers to help fix the problem. we welcome back dr. carson and again, thanks for being here. >> absolutely. >> you gave a speech, a commencement speech in 2007. you used a great analogy if you give people their own accounts. you used food stamps as an analogy. and you said people don't buy a port a house on day one. >> exactly. there are some government programs that do work and food stamps save people's lives. probably it's been abused a little bit and gone beyond that point now. but it serves as a good model because when people get their

month i allocation, they don't go out and buy porterhouse steak the first five days and starve the rest of the month. they learn how to allocate. if you make people responsible financially for their own health with their own health savings account, believe me, they're not going to runoff to the emergency room where things cost five times as much. they're going to go to a clinic. they'll get the same treatment in the clinic, but the difference is, in the clinic, if they have a chronic disease, hypertension, diabetes, what have you, now you're going to get that under control too. so you're not back there in three weeks with another problem. it begins to make a lot of sense. you are going to develop a relationship with that health care provider. it's not this big nebulous third party. it's you and the provider. and you're not going to allow that provider to say you need five ct scans when you only need one. nor is he going to suggest that. because he knows that's coming

out of your hsa. it's going to bring medicine into the free market because people will be competing. this is the way it should be. >> it's interesting. i have never been able to figure out government never put our social security money in a lockbox like they said they would. medicare is headed for bankruptcy. we talked about the debt, $16 trillion. why do you think so many people put their faith, hope trust in government to be the answer? what do you think of obama care? >> well, i think that we've been programmed, unfortunately, to become victims. and to think that somebody should be taking care of us. we've got to a can donation to a what can you do for me nation. we start putting that into people at an early age. you go to schools now and they don't want to give the outstanding academic award because everybody is outstanding and don't want anybody to feel bad. come on. give me a break. you start all of that stuff

and -- >> can't play dodge ball either, doctor. can't keep score. >> it perpetuates itself throughout their lives. all of a sudden you wind up with a bunch of people who want to occupy everything. it's theirs anyway. you didn't deserve that. it should be mine. >> doesn't that go back to a lesson that you say your mother taught about you, about you control your destiny and these health savings accounts and you said people that are poor and i indigent. that would be a way to help them. >> right. the government is spending enormous amounts of money, health care dollars on indigent people. taking not all that money, only a portion of it, but divvying it up into people's hsas over which they now have some control would make a huge difference. now, will it be necessary to do some fine tuning and will it be necessary to create some

encouragements for people who are not indigent to put money into their hsas and encourage their employers to put money into their hsas, yes. but these are all things we can work out. what we need to do is get out of the framework of as soon as somebody saying something, say no, no, no that can't work. this is why it can't. and say yeah it can work and here's how. if we put our minds together and understand the concept that we're aiming at, that is bringing some personal responsibility into the health care arena, we can solve that problem. we got to get over the ideology if. if we strain everything through an ideological screen, we'll never make any progress. >> let me ask you. how many people in our audience so i can get an audience shot think if the republicans articulated what dr. carson is sago owe you're laughing. how many of you think obama care maybe wouldn't have passed? show of hands. that's -- so there's a failure on the political opposition side of that debate too, then.

>> and i don't know why that is. >> i don't know either. >> i'm not sure why they're not coming up with the right kinds of answers here. >> that dove tails perfectly into your next segment about your potential political future. when we come back, carson 2016 has a nice ring to it. but are politics in the doctor's future and frank luntz and his focus group dial his prayer remarks and we'll see what caused the dials to go through the roof across party lines. all of that and more as our special studio audience edition of hannity rolls on. ♪ [ewh!] [baby crying] the great thing about subaru is you don't have to put up with that new car smell for long. introducing the versatile, all-new subaru forester.

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that includes the editorial board of the wall street jurm that said "ben carson for president." in just a moment i'll ask him if he has any plans to pursue a career in politics. first, frank luntz recently convened a focus group of california voters and asked them to watch and dialed the doctor's popular speech. let's take a look at this. >> sean, the words of benjamin carson struck a cord with a lot of americans. we're here in los angeles with a group of swing voters. we want to know what they think of his language. before we go to them, let's go to a clip. the red line represents swing republicans, the green line swing democrats on the deficit and debt. man, does this guy score well. >> our deficit is a big problem. think about it. and our national debt, $16.5 trillion. you think that's not a lot of money?

tell you what, count one number per second, which you can't do. it will take you longer than a second once you get to a thousand. you know how long it would take to 16 trillion. 507,000 years. more than a half a million years to get there. we have to deal with this. >> clearly, that language connected. now, tell me, dr. carson, what was so powerful. give me a word or phrase to describe him. >> passionate. >> articulate. >> sincere. bowl bold real. self-reliant. sincere. >> believable. >> provocative. >> is this the kind of guy you want to see in politics? >> yes. >> why yes? >> he's the guy of -- he speaks his mind and he's very open-minded. >> >> he speaks for physicians i think. >> i like the sense of fairness. i felt he was very fair in what he was saying. >> what is it about him that cut across partisan lines? you never see that in politics these days. >> he seemed to care. he seemed to genuinely care

about what he was talking about. >> to me, he was just like me. he was just a regular, ordinary person. >> do you think that he was too aggressive? the president was there. some people thought that it was inappropriate for him to say what he said. you're nodding your head no. you think it was appropriate? >> i think it was appropriate. you have to hit on the topics people talk about and you can't keep candy coating everything. >> this is our country. >> what does that mean? >> it belongs to all of us. not just to the people in washington. all of us. >> do you think the people in washington listen to you? >> no. >> do you think he listens to you? >> yes. >> he being? >> dr. carson. >> yes. >> so there's a language there. keep going. >> like you said, it's not american to bite your tongue to hold back and not say what you think. >> you guys agree with that? >> yes. >> good way to get out of the segment. sean, there aren't many people right now who have the language to connect to the american people, whether it's american values as you speak of or common sense as she spoke of.

but there's something about the doctor's message and delivery that really does connect across partisan lines. very impressive. back to you. >> sounds like frank may have found some carson campaign volunteers and still with us to talk about the possibility of a career in politics, the man himself, dr. benjamin carson. just a quick poll. how many of you would like to see dr. carson run? >> that's everybody. >> what do you make of that? >> well, i've always said that the only way i would go into politics is if god grabbed me by the collar and stuck me there. it's not something that has been an ambition of mine. but i do have a great desire to get our populous educated. because if we get our populous educated, they will be able to decipher the truth from what's false. and if we don't start doing that, we're going to go down the same path as all the pinnacle nations that preceded us.

>> you have said and i've read a lot of speeches now that you have given and in commencement speeches and elsewhere and even i think you mentioned in this speech that doctors played a pivotal role in terms of our founding and our framers. >> yes. >> you want to see doctors more involved in politics. >> i do. doctors and scientists learn to make decisions based on facts. they use empirical data as opposed to idea logs who don't really have any facts to make their decisions on. >> can i ask, you retire in june. >> yes. >> i'm even hesitant to ask you this, but i think i have to because it's on the table. do you consider -- are you aligned with a party? would you want to answer who you voted for, for president? >> i'm an independent. >> okay. >> and you know, i tend to align myself closer with parties that

are doing things or advocating things that would be good for the country. that should tell you who i voted for. i won't go any further than that. >> okay. >> anyone want to take any bets? all right. >> when we come back, we'll have a lot of fun. we'll open this up to our studio audience of political strategists, medical experts as they along with dr. carson, they offer up their solutions for helping us save america, whether it's the economy, health care. all issues on the table. our studio audience will join the discussion next. rong ♪ ♪ i wanna scream out loud ♪ boy, but i just bite my tongue ♪ ♪ this one's for the girls messin' with boys ♪ ♪ like he's the melody and she's background noise ♪ [ volume decreases ] thanks, mom! have fun! you too. ♪ ♪

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>> welcome back to the special welcome back to the special studio audience did he i editio. are you ready for audience questions. >> yes. >> i wanted to ask you about kids growing up in circumstances that you grew up in today. in the ghetto in particular. what's missing? are there not enough adults with that sort of mind-set? is it a breakdown of the family? what's the problem? >> combination of the things that you mentioned. there's a great family breakdown. for instance, when you look at the african-american community, 70% of the babies are borne out of wedlock. you're not supposed it talk about that. all family situations with supposed to be equal these days.

they're not equal. that father is very much needed. and producing the right kinds of role models for the children and giving them a value system. if you don't provide them with a value system at home, they're going to find it somewhere else and it may not be a good value system. so you combine that with the fact that when they go to school, in many cases they're surrounded by a bunch of politically correct people who begin to indoctrinate them in something but the can do attitude and we've got a problem. >> dr. carson, i'm surprised that a top paid rick neurosurgeon who literally has the brains of children in his hands with personal responsibility would be your first and foremost idea. taking that theme further, you started talking about health savings accounts and skin in the game. how do you feel about the idea that if patients knew what they

were buying, knew how much a cat scan cost, how much an mri cost, instead we have a system where it all feeds together with physicians afraid of malpractice, afraid of being sued. so many tests are ordered unnecessarily. on the patient side they don't know what they're getting. on the doctor side, they're afraid of not ordering it. >> you look at all the countries in the world, we're the ones with the big problem of malpractice. what is it here that's not everywhere else? the trial lawyers association. okay. special interest groups. anything in our society almost that comes out of washington that doesn't make sense is attached to a special interest group. they've become, as i alluded to the speech, the fourth branch of government. until we deal with that, we're going to keep doing things that don't make sense. >> dr. carson, i want to thank you for your leadership. but you do know that the black liberal establishment is not going to be happy with you. i'm talking about the community

activists, some of the pastors, some of the politicians and the black media because as your story of success that they don't want communicated to the black community because they thrive on talking about blacks are victims and need special treatment. i want to thank you for all you're doing for your leadership because we need more leaders such as yourself to communicate the story that america really is an exceptional country. >> absolutely. thank you. i've heard from a lot of black leaders actually since this time who are very thrilled with what i'm saying. i'm sure there are some that are not. but people are starting it think for themselves. this is what i really enjoy. black people, white people, brown people, yellow people, think for yourself. don't be a puppet. >> celia? >> so the government accountability office came out with our year end fiscal report back in january. and then said that we need to start running surpluses of 1%

over the next century just to keep the same debt to gdp ratio we have today. we can't even -- the senate can't process a budget right now. how do we shift to surpluses. >> i think we would get them immediately if we changed our policies. took away the burdensome regulations, if we drop the tax rates, you would see money flooding back into this place if we just gave people the incentives that they used to have. you look what happened in this country. when we didn't have an oppressive government and when we did encourage entrepreneurship. we just skyrocketed. it's all pent up right now, ready to go. look at all the money on wall street. that money would be invested immediately if people felt that there wasn't some nefarious government out there trying to figure out how to get their money. >> by the way, the money wouldn't be in the caymans which

you mentioned in your speech and also if we would drill. natural gas, for the saudi arabia. >> you look at south dakota, montana, all that shale out there. >> it's crazy. >> we could blow saudi arabia off the map economically. >> i love not being p.c. >> doctor, i'm taking care of my 93-year-old mom. we have a few doctors in our life. one left his practice for a concierge practice. another is concerned about his practice and his role in his own practice. can you talk a little bit about how this obama care is affecting doctors in the medical community. >> yes. first of all, recognize that you have to go back and look at this historically, when medicare, medicaid first came along, doctors who took care of those patients knew they weren't going to make any money, but they were okay with it because the insurance companies at that time did have to pay for the ones who did have insurance.

and just about every doctor, dr. siegel can tell you, had a percentage of their practice that was indigent and they didn't care. we've always taken care of those patients. but now, because the margins are so narrow, because the insurance companies can do what they want to do, they're not capable of doing that anymore. and you know, i do think we need insurance reform also because when you stop and you think about it, one of the major pillars of our medical system are insurance companies that make money by denying people care. we need to deal with that situation because that's an inherent conflict of interest. i'm sure if we sit down and put our heads to it, we can figure out a way to make an adequate profit and people can still be taken care of. remember, when we go to the hsa situation, the insurance companies will have a very different role. because they will just be doing bridge insurance and we also will have a way of taking care of catastrophic insurance. we're going to take a break.

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[ female announcer ] if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. welcome back to this special aud edition of hannity. we're taking questions. our good friend sandra smith of the fox business network. this will be the lightning rod. we don't have a lot of time. >> i think one of the biggest questions tonight that's been an absolute pleasure. have we gone too far? do you think america can come back from where we are today? >> great question. >> i do think that. that's why i wrote the book. because i think we have what it takes to do it. we're just going to have to speak up. that's the key. >> jamie? >> january 2017, you've been inaugurated president of the united states. what would be your top legislative priorities? >> well, assuming that things are continuing the way they are now, we got to get the economy working again because that will take care of the jobs.

productivity rather than just mindless jobs. >> leslie? >> doctor, when you say things people don't want to hear, usually there's an immediate effort to delegitimize the speaker. were you concerned about that before you made that speech in that forum with that audience? >> i wasn't concerned because there's nothing that they can do to delegitimize me. there's no skeleton that they can find. they're going to try. good luck. >> you actually said at one of your speeches, live a clean life and don't lie because you don't have to worry about what you said three months ago. >> that's good. >> doctor, in 1960, you had ronald reagan speaking out against socialized medicine for the ama. the a.m.a. made a 180 and was speaking out for obama care. what happened? >> well, first of all, only 23% of doctors belong to the ama. they go and grab those ones and say this represents the ama. enough said. betsy? >> i'd like to know how would you solve this problem as a doctor and also as president of the united states. section 1311 of this law

empowers the federal government. >> the health care law. >> the obama health law, empowers the federal government for the first time in history to dictate how doctors treat privately insured patients. even if you bought like an aetna plan or cigna plan and paid for it yourself. how will you protect that doctor/patient relationship? >> probably by rewriting that law. thank you for speaking your mind. i hope you keep it up in the future. who in the current debate reflects your values and views the most effectively of everybody in politics? >> i certainly enjoyed what senator rubio had to say last night. and i'm sure there are many up and coming young people, bobby jindal. and we'll just have to keep looking and hoping that people are courageous and forward thinking. >> heather? >> does a message of personal responsibility sell politically

anymore? we've seen president obama suggesting universal pre-kindergarten care. basically telling parents that it's not their responsibility to prepare their children for school, but rather the government's. i don't think your mother would have bought that message. she understood it was for you to do that. we seem to be expanding things that the government can do instead of individuals. could a politician stand up and say, sorry, we're not going to give you any more programs for you to take care of your lives? >> i think it can sell. but we have to start talking about it. you see, the politically correct police have silenced the debate. we have to create the debate again and allow the people who are in the middle will have an a-ha moment. >> stefano. >> the speech with the part about your mother touched me so deeply as a mother of young boys. i'm wondering how can we limit the government in a way that creates a million mrs. carsons raising up her sons and herself

out of poverty into prosperity? how do we do that? >> we become smart voters. you know, a lot of people, they go into the voting booth, they say oh, there's a name i recognize. i'm voting for that one. that's about all they know. i mean, if you don't know more than that, you probably should just not vote or teach yourself. you could be voting against yourself interests. >> dr. siegel? >> do you think the president heard you? i was hoping with everything that had happened, i was hoping that he would come up to you afterwards and say i heard you. do you think he heard you? >> i'm praying that he did. if he did, you should see some changes in his action. >> you're based in baltimore. you touched on medicaid earlier. as you know, the health outcomes of patients hon. medicaid are poorer for those on private insurance. it underpays docs and hospitals. this is a big debate around the country, whether they should expand their programs. if you were advising the governor of maryland what would

you tell him to do with the medicaid expansion?y we need to talking about something that makes sense. doesn't make a lot of sense to invest a lot of our eggs in something that doesn't work. >> jedidiah, real quick? >> i'm a former teacher and dean. how do we get young people to care about the debt and deficit? >> we have to give them examples like the one i gave. 507,000 years. so they begin to understand what they're facing. i'm sorry. we've missed three people. mary, quick. >> i was going to say, it's easier to be ignorant and reliant than it is to be responsible and informed. how do you change that? >> well, one of the things we're going to have to do, i don't have a lot of time to get into it. twoef use technology. there's wonderful ways to use that. virtual classrooms that can help us enormously. i'm working on that project with something in baltimore right now. >> you have your scholarship on the web at -- >> carson scholars.org.

everybody get involved. [ applause ] thank you very much. that is all the time we have left. as always, thank you for being with us. let not your heart be troubled. the news continues. we'll see you back here monday night. this hour, wow, it's huge. >> it's gigantic. >> every step we take. >> did you read the terms of service and what they do with that information. >> every move we make. >> you have information on 250 million people? >> sure. >> big data is watching us. >> they'll dive right into whatever it is and figure out the implications of it later. >> does the government know too much? >> whoa, we never could have gotten away with half of the obama administration is now doing. >> can it be controlled? >> we balanced life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness all the time. >> mining data. >> they're like drug files of the voters, the guinea pigs. >> the democrats took it to the next level. >> fox news repos.