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this program we watch these proceedings very closely. we put together all of the highlights. let's take a look from earlier today. >> the alleged targeting of conservative organizations applying for tax exempt status is is a shameful violation of the intent of the constitution. i'm deeply offended. we will not tolerate another political enemies' list. we've been there before. >> you plan on clearinghouse terminating anyone accountable? >> i certainly plan on holding people of accountable. >> what is your definition of accountable? >> that a good question. >> has anybody been held accountable? >> let me ask your question this way. >> has anyone been accountsable? >> i would say yes. >> lois lerner still being paid today? >> she is. >> that is your definition? >> if you would let me to answer the question.

>> that is easy, yes or no. >> how many americans and groups of americans continue to have their applications delayed? how many groups continue to be unjust unconstitutional scrutiny by the irs as of today. >> that is a good question i want the answer to, as well? >> when government targets individuals for their beliefs, that is not an affronted on democracy. >> what we want to on know where did this come from who gave the orders? we will not rest until you give us those answers. >> sean: clearly there is way more questions than answers. now today's testimony came 24 hours after the chairman dropped a bombshell on the sunday shows. darrell issa at least one irs employee that was interviewed by clearly that the orders came directly from

washington, d.c. watch this. >> the administration still trying to say there is a few rogue agents in cincinnati and the indication they were directly being ordered from washington. >> the reason that lois lerner tried to take the fifth is not because there is a rogue in cincinnati. it's because this is a problem that was coordinated in all likelihood right out of washington headquarters and we're getting to proving to it. >> sean: this is investigation is far from over. committee will feature some of the average americans that were harassed by the irs. joining me is kevin brady and erin shop. congressman brady let's set the table, do you see this as a political enemies' list? >> i do. the new active commissioner to shed light and tell the truth where the abuses have

the irs have been how broad and wide and deep it is. was this personal information shared with other agencies to harass tea party in my region. it's about hearing from the victims of these abuses. i think it will help and shed light on this investigation. >> sean: i think the question congressman shoppe the administration through jay carney and others to say these are rogue agents out of cincinnati. to prove that point let's play jay carney saying that very thing. >> irs employees improperly scrutinizing 501c4 applications. >> they are put in great trust. >> employees of the irs office in cincinnati abuse this had trust. >> the apparent conduct by

officials in cincinnati. >> the exempt organization's field off the? cincinnati used inappropriate criteria. >> the president doesn't know about everything in government. i don't think you can hold him accountable for what happened in that irs office. >> sean: congressman california. pacific coast region where these peopletrap were illegally targeted asked questions

what are the contents of your members' prayers. asked them to pledge not to protest in front of planned parenthood in exchange2&es @&hc% the 501c4.89j53 a clear violation we have copies of the irs stationary asking inappropriate illegal questions which proves their statement in cincinnati is completely bogus. >> this reminds me too often of what happened in my home state of illinois. chicago machine these guys are using the muscle of government to snuff outyt#a any political opponent they say see. >> sean: we have the transcripts of interviews of employees from cincinnati. i want to go through it. the narrative they have been advancing does not appear to be true based on what the employees are saying. one of transcripts didp

supervisor ever give indication of the search in any other context. he told me that washington, d.c. wanted some cases. next one an interview with an irs empo2 9ñ as of april 2010 the 40 cases were held at the moment in your group is that right? >> some were. >> how many were held? >> some went to washington, d.c.. >> how many? i sent 7. then it goes on to say inlneh another question, the allegation that0n has been9 made, i think you've seen a lot of press reports, there were two rogue agents that were responsible for all these issues what do you think about of b those allegations. quote it's impossible as an act -- >> sean: congressman brady, whatñnx is your reaction to that based onj the talking points that has bee-dh

rogue agents? >> at the veryiág first step of this investigation which is goingh89 be very thorough and complete.y' they rejected the whole white house line of spin. of course embark on from controversial targeting and leaking taxpayer information without a direction from up above. how far that goes we're going to get to the truth. to think this happened in the very first step. as3%í we go through all the abuses of targeting of donors and organizations the leakingp media and maybe÷ to contains i think this is the first step@é!ub and to campaigns is the first step. >> sean: number one question. you heard i'm sure news reports rv;á individuals in washington saying the problem was originated and contained in the cincinnati office and that was the

cincinnati office thatjb÷s at fault. what is your reaction? answer -- it's hard to answer that question because in my mind we're low level employees so we are lower than dirt according to the peopleq2z int;wy d.c. they were basically throwing us under the bus. onemw4;x last one. question -- so it's your perspective that ultimately the responsible parties for the decisions that were reported by theza i.g. g.were not in the cincinnati office. i don't know how to answer that question. we didn't do anything wrong. we followed directions m telling us,x? what to do. you ultimatelyled followed directions from washington. but with respect to the th particular tea party$e application i believe so. this seems to contradicted everything that we have been told about this story about rogue agents.

where the does that take us now? >> it talks to washington d.c. and much closer to the white house. jay carney stood in front of the nation and wef know anything about this situation. this was a case of a fewhdjdtq ájtut agents inhg cincinnati. since that time we 5g: learned the white house chief counsel was briefed. president's own chief of staffb:ñ and closesténoi confidant"pep was briefed and it wasn't just in cincinnati. it was in texas. this is the beginning of many hearings we need to have. the obama administration is not çs problem and many americans are sayingpn plans they are the problem. perhaps necessity made the >> sean: thanks for being with us. we'll work hard and get to obvious thereee/q%uz obama contradictions. thank you both.

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>>. >> sean: welcome back to hannity. or than the scandals the tax agency is going to be sklamd in a scathing report by the inspector general set to be released tomorrow. it will detail how they spent $50 million on 220 conferences for employees between 2010 and 2012. that is not all. listen to congressman rogers revealed on the irs scandal.

>> in addition to the $50 million for conferences over the last three years the press is reporting that the irs paid out more than $92 million in bonuses during that three-year period. within that sum key figures in the current scandal got bonuses. >> sean: a lot of money. joining me about reaction dana lash and kerry campaign aide mark hanna. they released a video showing employees line dancing in their offices. take a look. >> to the right! to the left! three four.... >> it's so challenging to take them. my goodness. >> to the right, to the right. this is harder than doing a

review. i need a straight line. >> sean: $50 million in conferences $92 million in bonuses and line dancing on the job. any problem with that mark? >> you might be surprised. i'll agree with you that may not be the best use of taxpayer dollars. god forbid the fox news employees where they have a team building exercises and somebody catches you. >> sean: its private corporation and i promise you i have never been line dancing with bill o'reilly. [ laughter ] >> this is embarrassing for the administration. they look at darrell issa what happened in washington, d.c. candy crowley there is no sort of definitive there

was link. we end up with this like side show this public spectacle americans need to know what happened at the irs. we need to find that out. no. >> first of all. there was such an egregious action here it has to be corrected. the last time i touched on fox news it was not funded by the american taxpayer. they didn't require billions of dollars and went out and persecuted conservatives while they were taking taxpayer dollars. this is a big thing. this is television. let's be real. what i don't want understand -- no it wasn't. you are trying to make a point and you failed. >> it was a funny video. it's more of a sideshow. >> i'm talking and i wanted to finish my point.

how much was this? $50 million it would have been amazing if they could have used some of this money for training for irs employees to make sure they knew how not to target groups. it would have gone a long way and maybe some responsibility training. >> sean: there is a very key moment. it was a checkmate moment on meet the press david and karl rove. let's roll this tape. >> there has been no suggestion the inspector general said there was no politics involved in this. no one has indicated at all that the white house is involved. the irs director served under both presidents. this shot a political pursuit. >> if it was not political why are only conservative groups being targeted?

really? name one. a group that had tea party or patriot was targeted. >> i am not at all. >> this was not an effort driven by the white house. it would be the dumbest political effort of all kind. >> sean: mark can you name one liberal group targeted by this irs? >> yeah progress texas is a liberal group in texas. there is also a group of chicago reporters that is more progressive that got targeted, as well. >> sean: because of their name. >> let me clarify. what happened here -- i know let's zoom out a little bit. what happened in the wake of the supreme court justice ruling of citizens united, you had 1700 applications flooding the irs -- inspector general found it wasn't done for

political reasons. it was sloppy and reckless and horrible effect. >> sean: last word. >> so was bollo one word be on the lookout. you are talking about this issue. so how many groups use tea party and patriot describing themselves when they apply for tax exemption status because tea party was one of the bolo lists. >> where were you when ashcroft was going after the naacp? >> so you agree the naacp should be targeted? >> i agree there is culture of this from the bush era. >> i love we have another white democratic on the record it's okayrót to go after naacp because it justifies it in this

instance. >> sean: appreciate your time. "new york times" is reporting that top obama aides that are inside the white house are privately calling for eric hold for step down. when we come back, we'll have a live panel and later tonight in a hannity exclusive, the author that broke the story about the secret 2016 endorsement deal between barack obama and hillary and bill clinton the first interview since the bombshell agreement became public. we want to hear from you. log on to hannity live at foxnews.com. you get to choose the video of the day. preview option number two. here it is. a drudge en fan interruptsd the river fest. the key word being river. you won't believe how it ends. you will see it as you if you choose the video of the

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>> had he attemptedn prosecutet1oç james rosençó yeah that is perjury but there is noñ)z]q sign -- look --ñr >> probable cause to believe rosen or was commib espionage act? >> i(só& do -- i really believe what they did wasq wrong.ó[ there is no way what they did to jamesñ rosen. iqg don't thinkw3 it's perjury. maybe you can explain itq. i think it would be oógh to prove it. >> sean: ift( somebody watching this showed lied to irs what wouldzoujz tofá them? >> i spent time with joe. you don't have to have a michigan law degree to say this. when you say on an affidavit you think someonuk is a flight r are aiding andt( abettingñr espionagex believe they aret( criminal

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irs. the irs is supposed to be an independent agency. we're not supposed to be in situation where they arepátájjp#ter enemies. when you have members of his political tis(aign8.xq! the( know therew3 is somethingt( very fishy going on.lp i would also say peoplekfá should lookr this frankly& those of us ñ that are conservative and those of us that are py(n%=qmfá and agree with what the tea party standsé@l comfortríz the fact that the5a administration would not]ñ targeting ushhé if theyhu]o weren't worried about our power, thes-k9zez theseójdtq jut(zizations to make real changer interfere with their plans for the nation. hdçt( should give people hope in terms of our ability to affect the futuree1 here. >> sean: let me go to the issue ofg head of irs to the whitecjáuáqorñ bush years there was onaó visit.g agcy$ aq comparisonv

wentu there 43 times. theok[,var)sq commissionerñr 157? then he scoffs up by sayings:a went to anñr easter eggkq] roll -- how damagingqo alarming is that number compa]rred tñ >> well you can't explain it.s7 there is no honestcrn good explanation for it. .oq it goes toñre1 also the air gangs of this administrationñi the arrogance of this president. it doesñ seem tokoe1 matter to him ifñrw3 the people hoe things like the "new york times" repor (ñixdi] today about ericq holder being potential in danger os( losing hisfá job. the presidentzs basically seems to have operated let's get awaywhvith as much as we v,4 can get away with media aret( not goingl],é to hold us accountableñiçó we're above accountability. at the end ofc6i the day association what if weó[ get caught.ñu we'lllp get away with it.

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>> is he going to do that with anybody else? >> have you ever heard a president sit down with the secretary of state and give her a wet kiss, basically? >> very descriptive. all right. so as improbable as steve croft thinks it is here, thftion a payback. but there was a reneging. explain the reneging side. >> after the "60 minutes" lovefest that you mentioned and the viewers saw, obama had second thoughts again. and he let bill know that he had heard that joe biden, his vice-president, was going to run in the primaries against hillary in 2016. and, gee bill, how can i possibly not back my own vice-president? indicating that he was not going to back hillary in 2016. >> what's the reaction of bill? >> the clintons believe now they can't count on the obamas if they are going to go their own way, that they are going to forget any of these deals

because every time they make a deal with them, he reneges on it. >> so is the relationship frosty? there is one interesting thing on benghazi. it seems like the white house -- they want to point all the fingers at the state department. is that on purpose? >> oh, yes. i thinks. at one point bill thought that hillary was going to be made the scapegoat. he told her, if they do that, have you to resign. they didn't do that examine -- >> who has to resign? >> resign from secretary of state. >> okay. it's still happening now because she's gone. >> she's gone. but they are still saying it. i am told from the clinton camp that they feel pretty competent, when all the cable traffic comes out between the state department and benghazi that hillary will be seen as somebody who understood the situation and did something about it. >> all right. fascinating. appreciate it. coming up, let not your heart be

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