inside >> that's right. bill: doing some shopping. we've got to run, -frbg. , everybody. we'll let you know the outcome of the i.r.s. hearings. martha: big stuff going on on capitol hill. we will be back tomorrow. "happening now" starts right now. we'll see you then, folks. 4. >> reporter: right now brand-new stories and breaking news. >> attorney general eric holder insisting he will not step down despite increasing calls for him to resign. he's about to testify before a u.s. senate committee and the scandal surrounding the white house will surely come up. plus, what went on behind closed doors during the jodi arias murder trial, newly unsealed documents detailing what jurors were asking as they were deciding whether the convicted killer should live or die. plus, caught on videotape an out of control driver careens across four lanes of a highway and crashes into a taco bell at lunchtime. it's all happening now.

well nothing but the best for the i.r.s., that's their new slogan i suppose. the federal tax man spending your tax dollars on lavish employee retreats and outrageous waste. hello, everybody i'm greg jarrett in for jon scott. >> i'm uma pemmaraju in for jenna lee. a brand-new report reveals shocking details of excessive spending and appalling waste. at this hour a house hearing about to get back underway examining how the i.r.s. has been throwing away your monarchs mid a culture of excess, taking your taxes and spending them on everything from extravagant events to outlandish videos. >> i'm aware that many reforms were put in place so something like this will not happen again. and i know many examples we will discuss today, like the

ridiculous star trek video, and i swear to god i have looked at that video over and over again, and i swear i do not see the redeeming value. >> well chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel is live on capitol hill right now. of course this was a very interesting hearing this morning as we've been watching today, what did the star of one of those infamous i.r.s. employee videos have to say for himself? >> good morning. mr. financing says the star trek video was an attempt to use humor to open the i.r.s. conference. financing played mr. spock in the star trek spoof video with the funny ears, costume and all. chairman darrell issa ice asked him what he was thinking and he expressed regret. >> it would not occur today, based upon all the guidelines that exist, and, frankly, they were not appropriate at that time either, mr. chairman, and the fact of the matter is, is

it's embarrassing, and i apologize. >> and financing admitted that many of the expenses incurred at the 20 anaheim, california conference were not the best use of taxpayer dollars. >> not at all. a few moments ago we heard from the top democrat. what is the committee chairman saying about the spending at the i.r.s.? >> chairman darrell issa ice said that the i.r.s. used millions of taxpayer dollars in a way that was at best maliciously self-indulgent. he said a lot of the examples of the i.r.s. behavior doesn't represent many federal workers. >> many federal workers who will look at hearing agash and say i don't get those perks, as a matter of fact i would get fired if i took one of those perks. that the federal workers around the country should be appalled that there were two standards, one for some, and one for the

rest. >> reporter: the hearing has taken a break because there are votes in the house of representatives, which is why we are not showing you any live coverage at the moment, but we expect they will be back at it shortly, more questions for mr. faris and also for the other witnesses on the stand today. >> we can also expect more fireworks. thank you very much, mike. >> it's been a brutal week or the i.r.s., spending scandals, targeting scandals, leaking private tax info, wacky videos, where is it all going? where does it all lead? will it end? jonah goldberg is editor at large for national review online and a fox news contributor. jonah, good to see you. so, almost $50 million in my money, your money, taxpayer money of all americans for 225 conferences in just two years. why did they even have one conference off sight? it just doesn't make sense. >> i mean, i don't know, i think you can say that they can have a

conference every now and then, but the wild mismatch of the spending with the necessity is just sort of part of the problem and does contribute to this idea that, you know, this is i.r.s. agents gone wild. and so far by far my favorite thing about this which really highlights the panic that the i.r.s. is in or the crisis that they are in is that the inspector general found out that the reus arcouldn't find it i.r.s. couldn't find receipts for some of its own expenses. it's that o out of a tom wolf novel. it's too good sthao we ar. >> we are going to sis spell some of the myths of the spending and expose some of the truths. the big news story has been what i think will turn out to be two whistle-blowers in the cincinnati office of the i.r.s. who have now come forward and

told congressional lawyers, it wasn't us, we weren't the ones who were targeting, it was directed by washington, and lawyers for the i.r.s., they are the ones who were targeting the tea party, and when they heard some of the testimony these two workers in cincinnati were outraged, in fact one of them said, quote, i was furious. it looked like lois lerner was putting it on us. she called it ridiculous, she was so angry she demanded a transfer. so, jonah, this not only cant detectives lois lerner contradicts lois lerner but it contradicts the sworn testimony of shulman as well as steve miller. doesn't it also make the inspector general's report look absolutely ridiculous? because he's the one who said, no, no, no, it stopped in cincinnati. >> right, and that raises a very important point. the white house is desperate to say that the inspector general's audit, which is very different than an investigation, is all we need to know.

and i'm not -- i don't think j. russell george the inspector general is guilty of anything -- any wrongdoing here, but he was just limited by what he was allowed to do and the people he interviewed had their supervisors in the room, which is why it may not be right to call these two cincinnati employees whittle blowers it may be this is the first time they actually had to tell the truth under oath without their bosses in the room, and the story you get from these people when they are under oath and not under pressure from above is very different than the white wash that we've got even so far. that is why you actually need a real investigation to go all the way through this and not have some sort of the white house or the democratic version of this which simply says, we know all we need to know, let's move forward, let's talk about how to fix this problem. we don't really know what happened, we still don't know who ordered this. all we do know is that the story that came out of lois lerner and her associates and the leadership was flatly untrue, that's why she's pled the

fifth. >> there is a new bloomberg poll out, jonah, nearly half of americans do not believe the president when he says he didn't know anything about the i.r.s. targeting, 47% say we just don't believe him, only 40% do. what is the political impact on the white house, the president, his agenda? >> well, i think we know that the white house considers the story to be pretty radioactive which is one reason by david plouffe one of the chief spinners of the entire communication shop went hammer and tongs after darrell haoeuz icdarrell issa ice attacking him personally. they realize this is a real problem for them. it undermines the entire rational of the obama administration that they are competent managers, that the government can do all of these wonderful things. i think it's a real problem for them. we don't know that this went all the way to obama. all we do know so far in terms of obama's culpability on all of this is that he did absolutely

nothing to stop this. you had congress pointing this out for a longtime. journalistic reports on this and they did nothing. that doesn't mean he ordered it. if a fireman watches a building burn long enough without doing anything he's sort of part of the problem and not part of the solution. >> jonah goldberg thanks so much. good to see you. >> great to be here. >> right now a fox news weather alert making news. the first named storm of the 2013 hurricane season is reaching florida. tropical storm andrea making her presence felt along the gulf coast with winds whipping up to 60 miles an hour. tropical storm warnings are now in effect for parts of the state. steve harrigan is live in st. petersburg and he is standing by there, steve, just how bad is it right now? >> reporter: you are probably see this rain, it's almost like standing under a spout, or under a bucket. it's really just pouring straight down.

it's been raining steadily here for the past three or four hours. the rain is coming fairly straight down, the winds have not been severe gusts of 20 to 30 miles an hour. the real danger here, the danger for florida over the next 38 hours is going to be from the water. as much as 8 inches of rain expected in some areas. and when you couple that with a storm surge of 2 to 4 feet we could see some real flooding not only along the coast but inland as well. >> i know it's very, very bad right now, and people are really concerned about the threat of tornadoes. is that a possibility as well? >> certainly along with a tropical storm we do often see tornadoes. that's been the case today as well. as you can see the streets here beginning to flood, there have already been two reports of tornado touching down in florida, neither one causing any major damage, just small plot damage but tornado warnings have been extended in multiple counties throughout florida, in the tampa area it's been extended through 10:00pm.

you have people here really for the next day and a half will be worried about flooding in their homes and also going to be worried about the threat of tornadoes as well. >> steve harrigan dealing with a very challenging weather conditions right now on the ground in florida, thank you so much for that update. >> we are keeping an eye on what is happening on capitol hill. the attorney general eric holder who is under fire there is testifying before a senate appropriations committee, and there you see senator barbara mckulskey of maryland. as soon as we see mr. holder speaking we'll dip into that and show you some of that. we can tell you that in his published statement that he gave to the senators just before he came there to be sworn in he did address the reporter snooping scandal and he said it is our goal at the justice department not to target members of the press or discourage them from carrying out their vital work.

and he also said that the department has not prosecuted, and as long as i'm the ag will not prosecute any reporter for doing his or her job. now that may stand in stark contrast to his earlier testimony that he didn't know anything about potential prosecutions of any reporters, and a great many on capitol hill simply do not believe that was truthful testimony by the attorney general. >> well new concerns that the government is spying on millions of innocent americans. as a report reveals the nsa got a top secret court order requiring one of america's largest phone carriers to turn over customer records. plus, former charles manson follower and convicted murderer leslie van houten attending her 20th parole hearing. the panel's rulings coming up next.

martha: welcome back. right now an update on crime stories that we are following very closely. a in a judge denying a defense request at the last pretrial hearing for georgean. the former neighborhood watch captain is accused of killing unarmed teen trayvon martin. his lawyer asking the judge to allow a handful of witnesses to testify out of the public eye. he says they are concerned for their safety. in boston, prosecutors are accusing mobster james "whitey" bulger of including people he disspices on his witness list such as several journalist nasa strategy to keep them out of the courtroom during his racketeering trial. the 83-year-old was once one of america's most wanted until his arrest back in 2011. he's accused in 19 murders. opening statements are expected

to begin next week. and former charles manson follower leslie van houten denied parole once again. the california panel rejected the convicted murderer's 20th bid for release from state prison. she was convicted of murder and conspiracy for her role in the 1969 deaths of the los angeles husband and wife. they were stabbed the night after manson followers killed actress sharon tate and four others. >> new information that our government is secretly tracking the telephone calls of millions of americans. britain's guardian newspaper reporting that a top secret court order was issued in the month of april requiring verizon to turn over customer telephone records on a day here basis to the national security agency, the nsa as it's known. this includes who they talked to, and how long. the obama administration won't confirm the report but is defending the nsa, saying such

information is a critical tool in protecting the country from terrorist threats. many are now questioning why millions of innocent people are being tracked by government agencies. well, fred tecce is a forme form former federal prosecutor. i said millions of americans. to be precise it's 121 million americans, because that is the number of verizon customers in their last quarterly report. fred, it's not just who you were talking to, if you're a verizon customer, and i am, who i was talking to, but where i was, how long, when, the frequency of the telephone calls, whagsee your take on this? >> i think this is absolutely repugnant. wake up, america, your rights are being eroded including the fourth amendment right against unreasonable search and seizures because we need this for national security? i'm going to let you know a

little secret. my 13-year-old, son cole has an iphone on verizon, he's a real threat to national security, let me tell you and his records are all brought into this. i think for the government to do this without probable cause, without carefully tailoring it to look for things with some reasonable articulable suspicion is completely outrageous. >> let me ask you about that, because i looked at the 0 law this morning, the relative parts of it as amended by the patriot act. as i read it, correct me if i'm wrong it requires a specific named target suspected of being connected to terror. that can't possibly include 121 million americans. >> it can't. you know what these guys are doing they are getting a little weasley, which is a little term. they are saying under the patriot act they are entitled to business records unquote. our kids cellphone records are not the business records that are contemplated by the patriot act. you know, they are going to have

a bunch of lawyers who all went to harvard and yale come in and tell you why they could legally do this. you and i know it's a pwo a lot of baloney. >> we just received a statement from verizon. they say we have no comment on the accuracy of the guardian newspaper's story. then it goes onto say, but, look, we were compelled, this is your word, compelled to respond. and second of all they say, our production excluded the content of any communication so -- >> oh, well of course it excluded the content so it's okay for you to look and find out who i called, when i called them, where i was standing, where they where are standing, come on, guys, this is private information, and you know what they may have no comment, but there was an article in i any popular mechanic or some magazine about a month or two ago about this huge, huge data storage facility that is being built by the nsa in the southwestern united states. now you know why, there are too many red flags, too many pieces

of circumstantial evidence that are very unnerving. >> thomas drake is a former nsa official said and i'll quote, it is a total fourth amendment search and seizure violation. he agrees completely with you. do we as americans -- and, again, i guess i'm including myself as a verizon customer, although that may change by the end of today. >> so am i. >> do we have any recourse? >> well, you know what, gregg you hit the nail on the head. typically your recourse under the fourth amend many is this judge made decision about suppression. in any criminal prosecution you can suppress evidence that was obtained in violation of your fourth amendment right. i got news for you, unless the government is coming after you, me and 129 million other people for being terrorists we have no recourse. >> fred tecce, good to see you. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> okay. we are getting a new look at what went on behind closed doors as jurors deliberated the fate of jodi arias. what newly released court

documents and transcripts are revealing. stay with us.

uma: welcome back, everyone. newly released transcripts revealing things previously unreleased as a jury decided weather jodi arias should live or die. >> reporter: if you were one of the millions of americans gripped by the drama you probably picked up on the personality conflicts playing out in the courtroom. we are not talking about the convicted killer jodi arias here. transcripts unsealed by the arizona republic show how unprofessional things got on the part of owe poetsing lawyers. especially juan martinez towards

general tpher wilmont. in one exchange, a sidebar, meaning only -pt attorneys and the judge with were able to hear it at the time. martinez was complaining that the witness testimony, that the murder victim, travis alexander at one time tried to kill himself. she says the thing is if miss wilmon and i were married i would say i want to fing kill myself. that doesn't mean i want to kill myself, that means there is a bad relationship and i want you to leave me alone. >> the judge did not reprimand him then. he sailed at sidebar maybe his opposing counsel needed to go back to law school. again the judge said nothing until one of the other lawyers involved complained and only then did the judge urge both sides to be professional. as for arias, a new penalty phase is set for july 18th, after the first jury deadlocked on the question of the death penalty. back to you. uma: rick, thank you very much. gregg: getting new information now on a story we brought you

yesterday here on "happening now," rescuers pulling a 14th survivor from the rubble of that collapsed building in philadelphia. the 61-year-old woman was found unbelievably more than 12 hours after the building crumbled into a pile of concrete bricks and wood. it was being torn down at the time. the disaster claiming six lives. laura ingle is live in the new york city newsroom with more. laura, there was just a news conference i believe in philadelphia. what did we learn? >> reporter: you know, philadelphia mayor michael nutter has reiterated this is still very much a search and rescue operation as teams continue to comb through the wreckage of yesterday's building collapse. a miracle moment happened overnight as the 61-year-old woman identified as myra plickham was pulled out of the rubble alive and talking to rescuers. she is listed in critical condition at a local hospital. >> all of the despair with the people who were deceased, that

person being pulled out alive was what heavy rescue is all about and what technical rescue is all about. some place there is an opportunity for a void and we keep that same spirit and faith moving forward right now as we move into this afternoon's period. >> reporter: a large crane is on the scene to assist in the cleanup and search for more victims if there are any. 75% of the wreckage site has been searched the mayor says, and work will be done throughout the afternoon to get into the nooks and grannies of the other 25% of the piles of brick and concrete. one of those killed, a woman reportedly on her first day of work at the salvation army theft store, gregg. gregg: workers that workaround the building say they saw this accident coming, is that true? >> reporter: yeah, we've heard that a roofer who had been watching workers take down the building over the last two weeks questioned the way the demolition crews were going about it. others in the area have come forward saying they agreed the method seemed suspect with large chunks of walls standing with no

braces or support. we reached out to the company in charge of the demolition but it has not responded. you can see by the before and after pictures that the demolition of the building near the salvation army thrift store was a significant task. in today's presentser the mayor confirmed there was a citizen complaint in early may about the demolition working done 0 a building next door. the building in question had not had any work done at the time of the citizen complaint. the demolition company, though, did have proper permits for the job according to the city's department of licenses and inspections. gregg: laura ingle, thanks very much. uma: coming up an out of control driver plows into a taco bell at lunchtime. the entire crash caught on tape, unbelievable video, folks. stay with us for that. [ male announcer ] erica had a rough day.

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jon: attorney general eric holder testifying at at senate appropriations committee and a moment ago, in his opening statement, to the senators, he addressed the issue of his department essentially spying on recorders. take a listen. >> as part of that conversation let me make at least, two things clear, first, the department's goal

in investigating leak cases is to identify and to prosecute government officials who jeopardize national security by violating their oaths, not, to target members of the press or to discourage them from carrying out their vital work. second, the department has not prosecuted and as long as i have the privilege of serving as attorney general of the united states, will not prosecute any reporter for doing his or her job. with these guiding principles in mind we are internal guidelines to insure that in every case the department's actions are clear and consistent with our most sacred values gregg: notwithstanding statement, eric holder personally approved a warrant that name our colleague james rosen as potential could conspirator

in espionage. he will get peppered with pretty tough questions about the consistency of that statement. watch the entire hearing of the attorney general streaming live right now on foxnews.com. check it out. >> a new push to prevent cyber attacks from foreign countries like china. mike rogers introducing a bill today that would call for tough penalties on those caught hacking into our nation's network doug mckelway joins us now. when we talk about spying on a large-scale, most fingers point to china, right? >> reporter: china's theft of american intellectual property and hacking is mind boggle. commission on intellectual property completed a report last meant. quote, the scale of theft of american international int lexwell property is.

on the size of u.s. exports to asia. it foes on to say that the damage from this chinese cyber spy something twofold. first that tremendous loss of revenue and reward for those who made inventions or provide goods and services is profound but more insidious, it is, quote, undermining the means and incentive for entrepreneurs to innovate. which will slow the development of new inventions an industries. in an hour or so chairman mike rogers of house intelligence committee will speak to the press about his introduction of legislation to combat this kind of theft. >> first of all, it's important that the chinese understand that there are consequences to it, unprecedented theft of american intellectual property. we have never seen anything like this. so they have to understand their investment to continue stealing, even while talks are going on is, won't be acceptable to the united states. >> reporter: rogers plans to hold individuals responsible by restricting visas, their ability to move money my and

more things like that uma. uma: it has become a big problem. how effective would this be when much of the theft is done inside china's borders through computer hacking? >> reporter: couldn't arrest people in the united states so it would the no be effective. rogers is considering a second component of the legislation that would impose trade restrictions, duty restrictions would impact products stolen from the united states, remanufactured, repackaged and remarketed from china. there is a bit of a risk in all this in the timing of this strategy. talks between president obama and his chinese counterpart are set later this week in california the news of this legislation and congressional anger of chinese cybercrime is sure to color the mood of those talks. we shall zoo. uma. uma: no doubt about that. doug, thank you very much. >> reporter: sure thing. gregg: a fast-food drive-in where a driver uses the wrong window, amazing video as a minivan crashes into a busy restaurant. really wanted that cheesy

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gregg: on capitol hill, just moments ago, the ranking member of the appropriations committee of the u.s. senate said to the attorney general eric holder, all the scandals that have enveloped your department have put a pall over it. at what point do you exceed the tippingpoint you can no longer lead? this is richard shelby, the ranking member. let's take a listen. >> thank you, madam chairman. >> senator feinstein. >> thank you very much, madam chairman. i would just like to respond to that last comment and simply say that, i believe in your integrity. i believe that you are a good attorney general. i think you've had undue problems that, it's hard to anticipate. i think you have responded the best you could possibly could. and i just want to say that because candidly, i don't

like to see this hearing used to berate you. let me ask you this question. i share, i chair the senate caucus on international narcotics control and we issue a series of reports and we've just issued one on money laundering and what's come to my attention is that there is substantial failure of some united states banks to comply with --. gregg: well, after some criticism and tough questioning from the ranking republican on the appropriations committee, senator dianne feinstein then, the counter point, democrat of california, offering senator for the attorney general who is certainly beleaguered at this point but say i believe in your integrity. i think you're a good attorney general. we'll continue to watch what is happening here on capitol hill. uma? uma: well, a shocking verdict out of los angeles. a jury finding kelly soo park not guilty of murder in

the strangling of aspiring model, julianna redding, despite investigators finding park's dna all over the crime scene. stunning acquittal leading to the emotional outburst from friend and family of the victim. [shouting] >> quiet. don't make the situation worse. i don't want to put anyone in jail. don't make any threats. please be quiet. >> go to hell [bleep]. something wrong here. uma: well as you can hear there, quite emotional from the reactions that, after the verdict was read. our legal panel has been following this story very closely from the very beginning, surely has some opinions about what took place. joining us now, fred tecce, former federal prosecutor, esther panitche, a criminal

defense attorney. welcome to both of you. >> thanks for having me. uma: let's talk about the fact of the dna evidence. the defense argued, fred, that the dna does not tell the entire story. and managed to convince of jury of that. what's your reaction there? >> well, what my reaction is, first of all i think this decision was a travesty of justice but what you saw, and, esther will tell you about this, because she is one, a very good criminal defense attorney get to jury to look at all these other things the dna doesn't tell the whole story. no. the only story it told this woman's hands were around the victim's neck and this women's fingers were on the gas knob left, right after the crime to try and explode the property. so, you know, from his perspective, he got the jury to look at all these other things it doesn't show. of course it doesn't show that. they latched onto that. and they acquitted. uma: esther, a lot of people think when you have a abundant dna at crime scene

it is pretty much a slam dunk. >> sometimes it is but in this case obviously it wasn't. >> it should be. >> there were a lot of holes. there were a lot of holes the prosecutor could not account for. remember, this wasn't one juror that just decided to hang the jury. this was a unanimous verdict, for an acquittal. so you have, to, these jurors were apparently quite professional and they look a long time to deliberate. >> took seven days. took seven to deliberate. >> that's right. so, for people to criticize the jury for not doing their job, they did their job it may not be the result a lot of people hoped for but they did do their job and their verdict needs to be respected. uma: fred, the -- >> doesn't mean that, it doesn't mean there's not a family still obviously grieving. >> no. >> and still needing some closure. uma: but, fred, also the defense was very successful, fred, in introducing the idea of the boyfriend here. about a pattern of violent outbursts and jealously.

could that have weighed into their minds as well, in terms deciding there could be some doubts here. >> from what i understood the judge didn't let that evidence go to the jury. i heard conflicting reports about that look, the jury, i'm sorry we have to respect it but i don't have to agree with it. it was flat wrong, from my perspective not right to second-guess the prosecution. i understood there was engineering professor on this jury. when i was a prosecutor i used to strike them all day long. engineers are looking for absolutes. this guy was a professor, that tells me understands how to get people to follow him and to be taught. ultimately, i think this kind of thing all lined up. yes, we respect it because you and i are attorneys and that's your job. i certainly don't agree with it. i think it is wrong. uma: what do you think --, what do you think sealed it for the jury give this verdict? >> i'm not really sure. we're going to have to wait until they talk, if they decide to talk to see what happened in the deliberation room but obviously it was enough for all the members of the jury to decide that

she was not guilty. now i will say, they didn't say that she is innocent. what they said is, by their verdict, is that she, that prosecutor could not meet its burden of proof. which is a very high burden as it should be in any criminal case of beyond a reasonable doubt. they thought it was possible she may have been involved but that is not enough under our system of justice to convict some one of what they wanted to convict her of. uma: fred, your reaction to what she just said? >> that is a great argument in the casey anthony where there was no evidence to point to casey anthony. in this case there was compelling evidence to point to this woman that did it. people like good defense lawyers like esther got to them to look at motive which isn't element of crime. why would the woman kill somebody if she was never arrested before. they argued all these things the jury was distracted to by. the prosecutor should have went back to the jury, no,

no, no you need to focus on evidence to convict. and they didn't. it is what it is. >> you don't know that they didn't. they didn't come back with the verdict that you wanted. >> the defense was successful at least arguing planting the seed, that the dna could have been there because it was wiped away on a a towel. they were able to bring in the seeds of doubt to plant with this jury. >> look, the dna, you can't, i mean, i guess you can try. i guess this case stands for the proposition that dna isn't enough but this isn't "ncis" or csi. this is real law, real courtrooms. this is a real case. this is the kind of evidence that you get and, the fact is, that he gave some story to the jury that the victim may have brought a dish home from a party that the accused was at. and i thought it was, personally i thought it was way out there but what the heck. i was flat wrong on this one. uma: esther, you have the final word here. >> the jury did what juries do. this is why fred and i don't sit on juries.

we have very different opinions. this jury went in with an open mind, listened to the evidence presented which is all they're supposed to do and made their verdict based on the evidence. uma: the jurors still have not spoken about how they reached that verdict. thank you very much to both of you for joining us. >> that is the theory. uma: thanks for your insights. appreciate it. >> thanks. >> thank you. gregg: just days into the 2013 hurricane season tropical storm andrea is now hitting the west coast of florida. there it is. this storm may soon be felt far beyond the sunshine state. we'll have the latest on andrea's path. what makes your family smile?

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gregg: attorney general eric holder moments ago saying i haven't done a perfect job as attorney general but i've done a good job and i'm always trying to do better. now you see senator susan collins of maine, a republican, asking the attorney general about the drone program targeting terrorists overseas. and he said we always do it in a way that is conforming with the laws. let's listen in. >> i haven't seen a preference for capture. if you compare the number of tourist suspects who are captured in the previous administration, versus this administration, there's a huge difference as there is in the number of lethal strikes with drone that were undertaken. is the reason for the exceedingly low number of captures due to the change in the obama administration's position on detention, and the fact that the administration does not

want to send captives to guantanamo? isn't that really the reason? i mean, here we have a case of the terrorists who are, who was ultimately convicted but who was driven around on a navy ship for two months because there really was no place to put him? >> no, it is not a function of not trying to take people to guantanamo. we have a, as you indicated, he was captured. abu dwath ghaith was captured and forced to face justice in an article 3 court. the desire to capture is something we take seriously because we gain intelligence. >> right. >> orami, i'm not sure how long he was on that boat. he was not, it was not a joyride for him. we were in the process of gathering important intelligence from him, from the tell against community

and then later on after he was read his rights and waived them from people in law enforcement. so that was time well-spent and i think ultimately led to his plea in that case, or conviction in that case. so it is not a function of us not trying to take prisoners to particular places. we try to capture people. we try to interrogate them. we try to gain intelligence. gregg: attorney general eric holder explaining the drone program overseas. we're going to continue to follow what's happening here on the appropriations committee on capitol hill. and we'll be right back. don't go away.

>> we want to take you back out to washington right now where irs officials are facing a grilling over lavish spending at conferences in the past, a total of $50 million or so was spent on conferences, and that's raised the ire of a number of congressmen on capitol hill. let's listen in as darrell issa questions mr. fink who played spock in one of those infamous star trek videos. >> that's when i became aware of the estimated -- >> that was 4.2 million. 4.3 million. okay. there may be additional questions, but i thank the gentleman from utah, because i think we now better understand -- >> mr. chairman? >> yes, sir. >> with all due respect, we just lost the member because he had

to get out of here. can we have an additional five minutes on our side? do you follow me? in other words -- >> if you find the, a witness who is in potential liability of perjury and you want to -- i'm clarifying -- >> yeah, i want to. >> -- we will do so. the gentleman is recognized for five minutes. more if absolutely necessary. >> wait a minute, hold on, wait a minute. i just asked for equal time. i just said that we had a member that had to leave, and i did not object to mr. chaffetz. i wanted to hear the answer to his question. it had nothing to do with perjury. i'm just asking for reasonable time, that's all i'm asking for. i don't think that's unreasonable. >> it's not a rule of the committee. i just said mr. clay is recognized for five minutes or more if necessary. mr. clay. >> thank you.

>> thank you, mr. chairman. and the ig's report referenced three trips that multiple -- >> okay, as you can see there's some fireworks erupting there amongst some of the congress people who are trying to get through this hearing, and as we continue to monitor the situation, we're going to bring you more developments as they unfold, as irs officials continue to get a grilling today on capitol him. gregg? gregg: you can certainly feel the tension in that committee. you can also feel it in a different one. the attorney general, eric holder, under fire in the department of justice snooping scandal, and ahead of today's senate hearing, the attorney general making it abundantly clear he has no intention of stepping down. but he did say he wants a better balance between freedom of the news media and safeguarding national secrets. his appearance on capitol hill today coming on an unrelated matter but, of course, the snooping scandal did come up. take a listen. >> first, the department's goal in investigating leak cases is

to identify and to prosecute government officials who jeopardize national security by violating their oaths, not to target members of the press or to discourage them from carrying out their vital work. second, the department has not prosecuted and as long as i have the privilege of serving as attorney general of the united states will not prosecute any reporter for doing his or her job. gregg: he also called himself a good attorney general. shannon bream is live in washington with more. shannon, you know, this is supposed to be, you know, an appropriations hearing, but it's evolved into more than that. i can imagine the senators aren't exactly staying on topic, are they? >> reporter: yeah, not at all. and it didn't take long here, gregg. the top republican on the subcommittee, richard shelby of alabama, wasted no time. he asked the attorney general how he would rate himself and his performance so far, and

asked him how he plans to restore the american people's confidence in the justice department. holder says he believes he's not perfect, but he's done a good job and wants to be clear that both he and the department are fully engaged in their primary mission which is to protect the american people. when shelby pushed him asking what would it take for you, what would be the tipping point, the time you decide to step down, holder said, frankly, it might be fatigue, that it's tiring to constantly be defending himself, but he's not going anywhere anytime soon. he did set goals for himself when he took the job, and he has not finished those just yet. gregg? gregg: well, in the meantime, let's go to the other side of capitol hill. the attorney general is facing a load of heat. the house judiciary committee, what's the latest on that? >> reporter: well, there's been an increasingly heated back and forth that started when two key republicans on that committee, including the chairman bob goodlatte and jim sensenbrenner, sent a letter detailing questions about what they viewed as a potential

conflict with the attorney general's testimony before the committee about these leaks and what they later found out about his level of involvement in that. the letter set a 5 p.m. wednesday deadline for holder to respond, instead they got a response from another justice department official. they said it was vague, incomplete and insulting, and they demanded the attorney general respond himself to them directly. well, we didn't think that was going to happen, but late yesterday way after the deadline, the attorney general did send a letter. basically, it says i stand by the letter sent earlier in the week. they've indicated it's not going to be good enough, they may proceed with yet another contempt vote. he was held in contempt over fast and furious last year with the votes of 17 democrats. gregg: one aide on that committee said, you know, it wasn't a responsive letter from the attorney general, so we'll wait and see what the response point is from the committee. thanks very much, shannon bream. >> reporter: there will be one. thanks, gregg.

gregg: oh, yeah. >> new developments in the scandals rocking the irs at this hour. if "wall street journal" reporting the political profiling didn't originate from cincinnati. workers apparently in shock when higher-ups like lois lerner tried to pin the targeting of conservative groups on them. congressional investigators got the directive from a local manager who said washington wanted it. all this emerging as the households a hearing into the $50 million the irs spent on lavish conferences that we've been telling you about. the agency shelling out your hard earned tax dollars for things like the now-infamous line dancing video and parodies of star trek and "gilligan's island." incidentally, the guy who played spock among those testifying today, but the videos far from the only examples of out-of-control spending. with the irs paying a whopping

$4 million for just one conference in anaheim, california. some of the managers staying in suites for $1500 a night. the agency bringing in a happiness expert, for example, for more than $11,000 to lead some workshops there and shelling out another $16,000 for another presentation on leadership through art. today lawmakers struggling to understand this spending spree. >> many examples we will discuss today like the ridiculous star trek video. and i swear to god i have looked at that video over and over again, and i swear i do not see the redeeming value. and -- [laughter] i was up at 3:00 this morning watching it, because i was trying to get to the redeeming value. couldn't get there. i worked hard at it now. >> well, a lot of people are

laughing, but they're also very, very upset at what is a very, a situation that's simply out of control. joining us now, a.b. stoddard, columnist at "the hill." welcome. great to see you today. >> thanks for having me. uma: let's talk about what we've heard so far today. i think it was fascinating to watch as these hearings have been unfolding, and with darrell issa asking mr. fink right off the bat, you know, what were you thinking when you decided to put this video together, and you were playing the part of mr. spock? >> well, i mean, you saw the ranking member, congressman cummings of maryland, who is a great, loyal democrat struggling to try to find a way to defend that video and those expenditures, and he couldn't, and he just admitted there's nothing i can do to say there's any redeeming qualities. i actually have kids, they have a free app on their i touches called video star, and you can

make a lot better videos for free than you do spending the kind of money that the irs employees did to put on costumes and make goofs of themselves. but that aside, it's a serious question of a squandering of taxpayer dollars alongside this very serious targeting of these groups and a real -- evidence now from this new interviews with these two cincinnati employees that there was real pressure to find and come up with certain cases to scrutinize and hold up for delay and etc. so it's really a combination of both one is silly, one is quite staggering, but added up together it's a growing scandal, and it's getting closer up the chain to headquarters in washington no matter what they say about conference spending. that's likely to be true because that has been watched over since the scandal at the general services administration. but it's the rest of the stuff. we don't know how far it went and when it stopped.

uma: well, you know, the facts about the washington connection here, those employees very upis the about being thrown under the bus saying that this was all coming out of the ohio office. the fact that they are now saying that they got their marching orders from washington leads one to wonder what was the directive here? what was it that they were actually trying to do, and why was washington involved with directing this campaign? >> right. and that's the problem for the administration. i mean, you saw president obama a few weeks back get out and say that he had accepted, he'd asked for and accepted the resignation of the acting director and that he was gone. and that's really about all we heard. they said they'd get to the bottom of it. what we're learning now from republican oversight investigations is more than the administration first admitted, and that's a terrible public relations corner to have backed yourself in. no, there's no evidence at this point that any of this was politically directed from president obama's re-election campaign. but they're going to have to do everything they can to come out and get out in front of this to

trail of why that is not the case. if they just let this continue to creep, they're going to convince americans that, actually, it went very high up, it was politically motivated, it was intentional, and it was expensive. and so that's the question we face now with a connection back to washington. it's going to become much more dangerous politically for the president to do anything, um, with this level of lack of trust in government and concern over what's going on. not only that our phone records are being tallied, monitored, you know, spied on daily, but this is what's happening at the irs, an agency that scares every american, no matter what political persuasion. uma: exactly. it'll be very interesting to see how this plays out. a.b., thank you very much for your insights. >> thank you. gregg: the attorney general getting an earful on capitol hill. in just a moment, we're going to be joined by a former ag,

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gregg: attorney general eric holder standing firm saying he will not step down in the wake of the department of justice snooping scandal, and today he is testifying before a senate committee, the appropriations committee, just hours after he sent a letter to a house judiciary committee about questions surrounding how he handled the james rosen case. the committee investigating whether or not holder lied under oath last month when he claimed he never heard of the potential prosecution of a member of the media. but days later we learned the attorney general, in fact, personally signed off on a warrant to seize rosen's e-mails and phone records that called

him a co-conspirator. holder writing, as has been reported at obama's, president obama's direction: gregg: but fox news learning that holdr told attorneys very recently to continue to aggressively pursue media leaks. joining us now, alberto gonzalez, former attorney general under president george w. bush. general, thank you so much for being with us. a question was put to eric holder just a short time ago by the ranking member of the appropriations committee. are you so distracted now, are you so engulfed by controversy you can no honger lead? -- longer lead? is that a fair point? do you think this attorney general can no longer lead? >> i think it's possible to deal with these kind of distractions and still be effective in this position.

and, obviously, that takes a tremendous toll on the individual. but i know what it's like to be in that seat. i know what the responsibilities are like, and i know about the distractions. i also know about sometimes the political witch hunts that occur in that position. it just comes with the job. you're involved in the most controversial decisions. but, you know, you take that oath understanding that you have an obligation to that department. every person in that department looks to the attorney general, and they take their cue from the attorney general. and so the attorney general has to be strong, has to stay strong because the work of the department so very, very important. and so i guess the short answer to your question, yes, it's possible to still be effective in that position despite all of these allegations and all of these investigations. gregg: but, look, he has already been voted in contempt by congress for his fast and furious participation, and now there are threats of subpoenaing

him and holding him in contempt for failing to respond to the judiciary committee, his latest letter response is, apparently, very short and nonresponsive. i mean, what about that? >> well, of course, in order to be effective in the position it's extremely helpful to have the support and the trust of key members of congress. and, obviously, sometimes that trust is challenged. and when it is challenged because of events, because of statements calling into question the truthfulness, the credibility of a ranking cabinet official like the attorney general, then it requires an extra effort to make amends for that, to explain, you know, to come up to the hill, to provide information, quite frankly. do the very pest that you can to rehable -- best that you can to rehabilitate yourself. again, this is not just about the attorney general. this is about the department of

justice. this is way beyond the attorney general. so he has an obligation to step forward and do what he needs to do to reestablish that level of credibility and that level of trust. however, you know, and i know this from experience, sometimes some of the accusations, sometimes some of the investigations are purely politically motivated, and that, you know, that's unfortunate but that's just the way it is in washington. and when that's the case then, you know, the attorney general i think is right to remain focused on the job. gregg: all right. former attorney general alberto gonzalez. thank you very much. we appreciate it. >> you bet. thank you. gregg: we're going to have more on this summit after the break. don't go away. it starts with little things. tiny changes in the brain.

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tom dupree, former deputy assistant attorney general under president george w. bush. tom, good to see you. um, you know, a moment ago senator richard shelby said there are questions, mr. attorney general, about your veracity. he was clearly, tom, referring to holder's earlier testimony in congress in which he said he had never heard, nor was involved in the potential prosecution of the media. do the facts now belie that? >> well, the attorney general's own testimony, i think, really has raised this issue. we've seen that he did play a role in authorizing the search warrant that went to a journalist, and i think at this point it really is up to the attorney general to come forth, to clear the air, to set the record straight. because you never want to have a sense of mistrust surrounding any cabinet official, but particularly the attorney general who, of course, is the

nation's chief law enforcement officer. so i think the ball right now is in eric holder's court to go up on the hill, clarify his remarks and set the record straight. gregg: well, can he get out of potential perjury charges by saying, well, look, yes, i truly thought that this journalist -- our colleague, james rosen -- was committing a crime and, in fact, i told a judge that in the warrant, the affidavit in support of the warrant. but i never intended to prosecute rosen. is, i mean, is that his way out however vacuous it may seem? >> right. the attorney general's clearly drawing a distinction between an investigation and an actual prosecution of an individual. that's the distinction on which the attorney general is resting his defense, and i think right now there's obviously been a lot of talk in the media and on the hill about what exactly the attorney general meant and what was his thinking and that sort

of thing. and really the only person who can clear all this up is the attorney general himself. and so if that is his defense, i think it's incumbent upon him to tell his own story. don't let others, don't let his surrogates at the justice department come forward and do it, he should do it himself. gregg: but he's not doing that. he missed the deadline yesterday at 5:00, sent a letter two hours later which according to an aide is not responsive which invites the question is this an attorney general who is so evasive and unresponsive that, in fact, he holds nothing but contempt for congress? >> well, see, that's exactly the risk. i think that the justice department is running that right now. it isn't too much to have the attorney general personally sign his letters, for the justice department to meet a reasonable deadline set by congress. if i were advising the attorney general, i think i'd say, look, it's never too late to do the right thing. and the right thing is to go up

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gregg: well, the irs with more explaino do on capitol hill as a house committee holds a hearing into the agency's lavish -- and i mean lavish -- spending on employee conferences. the tax agency shelling out $50 million of your hard earned money going to videos like these featuring irs workers showing off their line dancing moves, performing parodies of "gilligan's island" and "star trek." >> those videos were, at the time they were made, were an attempt to -- in a

well-intentioned way -- use humor, the star trek video, to open the conference. the dance video was used to close the conference. um, they would not occur today based upon all the guidelines that exist and, frankly, they were not appropriate at that time neither, mr. chairman. and the fact of the matter is it's embarrassing, and, um, i apologize. gregg: well, that guy, mr. fink, actually played mr. spock in the star trek parody. joining us now, congressman james lankford, a republican from oklahoma. he sits on the committee holding today's hearing, also chairman of the republican policy committee. congressman, thanks for taking a few minutes. i have to guess that most americans are aghast and angry over the kind of things we're now learning. we're just going to put it up on the screen for them to read. it's $50 million spent on 225

conferences, 2,600 managers flown to california. they spent $4.1 million on that conference. $135,000 for event planners, $60,000 for a video. my favorite was $11,000 for a happiness expert. congressman, should all the people who organized and approved these conferences be fired? >> they should have strict discipline if not gone entirely. these -- a conference costing more than $100,000 had to go up the food chain and be approved by higher-ups. this was approved by higher-ups, and that's what's amazing. there's supposed to be an accountability network built in so this doesn't happen. even the people higher up approved of it as well. they didn't track recements, they didn't negotiate for lower rates. this is the stuff that if an american taxpayer did and said i don't have all my receipts, they would face serious penalties on it, but the irs said we just don't have all of it. in addition to that, they took money from an account designated to hire employees and

transferred it over to this conference to pay for the conference because they didn't want to lose it at the end of the year. again, moving money, not keeping receipts, it's not acceptable. gregg: why do these people even have to go to conferences? you know, we have these new little things call telephoned, you know, internet, e-mails, you can even teleconference from your office. >> right. gregg: so, i'm not sure i get it. can't congress actually pass a law that simply abolishes all off-site conferences? >> we have severely limited travel already. that is one of the things the house of representatives started working on two years ago to try to limit this because we saw this. you want to get a picture of how things have really changed, 2010 we had this $50 million expense. now with the irs it's now $6 million. so congress has stepped in the already and tried to severely limit this and say we can use skype, we can use all kinds of technology, we can conference people in. there are a lot better ways to do this. and then you just look at the incredible waste. the gsa, everyone remembers the

famous photo of the man in the bathtub in las vegas, that gsa conference was held in oklahoma city four years before. that year it cost 325,000. the year they moved it to las vegas, it cost almost a million dollars to the exact same event. so we watched this huge rise in all these conferences in 2010. they're wasting our money, and it's got to stop. gregg: you know, only two managers so far have been disciplined, they've been put on leave at the irs. and one of them is actually in charge of overseeing the implementation of obamacare. >> that's correct. gregg: do you think that another agency, given all that's happened at the irs, needs to be put in charge of implementing obamacare and not these folks at the irs? >> i believed it was a different agency should have done this in the first place. number one, i don't think we should have the obamacare law. i think it's the worst way to do it. they promised it would cover 47 million americans, now we know

it's only going to cover about 5 million. so they're going to do all this massive change for a very small return on it for individuals, and they did this massive shift of taxes and put the burden on irs, and we've said from the very beginning this is the wrong way to do it. the more things unfold, the more we see this is the wrong way to do it which is why we continue to push for repeal. gregg: let me get a quick answer because i'm out of time, senator ted cruz says let's reform the tax code, make it simple and a small, small agency will do the collection. good idea? >> it is a good idea to be able to do it. you're not ever going to abolish the irs, and i know that sounds extreme. you have to have some mechanism to be able to collect -- gregg: well, a new agency, a smaller agency. >> but we have to have a more fair way to do this. people shouldn't worry about being audited because of what they believe. that's absurd. gregg: congressman lankford, thank you. >> thank you. uma: the white house is

defending the national security agency following a report it secretly collected the phone records of millions of verizon customers. the obama administration calling this, quote: a critical tool in protecting the nation from terrorist threats. even though the information was said to be collected in bulk targeting citizens who were not accused of any wrongdoing. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge is joining us now live with more on this from washington. >> reporter: thank you, uma. as the court order first obtained by "the guardian" show that is the if, bi and the national security agency were given sweeping authority to collect the phone records of all americans inside the u.s. who used the service over a three month period beginning in mid april. and the order reads in part, quote:

>> r eporter: the court order allows for the collection of this so-called metadata, the phone logs, length of calls, even the geographic location of the caller can be tracked through transmitter cell towers. and when this information is analyzed, critics say it can be far more intrusive than actually listening in on the contents of the calls, because metadata can track your personal movements and your own social network. this morning on capitol hill a short time ago head and ranking member of the senate intelligence committee telling reporters that they believe the phone record collection is lawful, has been briefed to congress and that this, in fact, is what's called a rolling order meaning the collection program has been in existence for some time. >> this is nothing particularly new. this has been going on for seven years. >> it's renewed every three months. they must go into court, and this is that renewal. >> reporter: given confirmation by the senators that the collection has been going on for years, this raises

questions over the accuracy of statements to congress about the collection of data on u.s. citizens by the national security agency whose focus is supposed to be overseas intelligence gathering. >> does the fsa collect -- nsa collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not? >> not wittingly. there are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps, collect. but not wittingly. >> reporter: and a recent fox news investigation pushed the head of the national security agency or nsa to explain whether the agency would hold the records of american citizens, including phone records. at the time the idea was dismissed as inconsistent with the nsa's mandate. >> we don't hold data on u.s. citizens. let me go back to the mission that nsa does; foreign

intelligence with a focus on counterterrorism. that's our mission, is to protect this country from things like 9/11. >> reporter: today in a message to employees, verizon has said that it could not comment on the court documents in the british newspaper, but it did add that it's legally required to follow court orders and to provide customer information to the government. sprint had no comment for fox, and we're in the process of determining whether other u.s. phone carriers were subject to the same order. but based on what we heard from the head and the ranking member of the senate intelligence committee, it does appear that this was much broader than verizon and did involve other phone carriers inside the u.s. and that this was not a one-time deal, that this has been going on, cold one member -- according to one member, for seven years. back to you. uma: this raises all kinds of questions, and we're talking about millions and millions of customers, catherine. >> reporter: that's correct. and people who are -- for which there would be no probable cause

for any of these searches which is clearly a constitutional issue. uma: indeed. all right, catherine herridge thank you very much for updating us on the story. >> reporter: you're welcome. gregg: fox news alert from florida as the season's first tropical storm pounds the sunshine state and making a beeline for the east coast all the way up to maine with plenty of rain and heavy winds. chief meteorologist rick reichmuth is live from the fox extreme weather center. he's actually here in the studio. >> right here. gregg: you're right behind me. >> reporter: i am. can you believe six days into the atlantic hurricane season, and we have a storm already. and we're expecting a very active season. getting started right now, take a look at the radar picture here. tornado concerns, we always see that when we have a land falling hurricane. in this case, they're smaller tornadoes, but we have had a couple this morning and a few tornado warpings even all the way towards between orlando and daytona beach and a few just inland there tampa. that will continue throughout the afternoon, but it's very

heavy rainfall that's falling here, and the winds are around 60 miles per hour with this storm. take a look at the track of this, it is going the hug the east coast throughout the evening today, into tomorrow and through saturday. that means everybody across the eastern seaboard getting in on the action. by the time it gets to the northeast, we're just talking about a lot of very strong winds and a lot of rain, unfortunately. we do have tropical storm advisories in effect, tropical storm warnings from apalachicola, florida, down to boca grande and also across the outer banks. very windy conditions, some beach erosion there. think of kind of like a big strong nor'easter by the time we get towards the northeast but rain, not snow. areas across north florida are going to see 4-8 inches of rain and very significant rain across the coastal areas of the carolinas and then up in towards tomorrow and tomorrow night across parts of the northeast a very rainy night and windy night. it's going to be very difficult for airline traffic and getting out across some of the roads there, and that's all across

much of new england throughout the day on saturday. so our first one is here, gregg. hard to believe, but we're ready for a very active season, and a good wake-up call with not a hugely strong storm, but certainly one that's going to cause localized flooding. gregg: so we're still dealing with tornadoes? >> reporter: yeah. you get smaller tornadoes. not like what we've seen in oklahoma the last few days, but some of those smaller tornadoes can cause damage. gregg: we certainly know that. rick, thanks very much. uma? uma: well, also from florida have you heard about the florida lottery winner, now almost $400 million richer? well, finally coming forward. heat the neighbor who left her cut-in line at the lotto counter and bought the winning ticket. the important lesson she has for us all. plus, the sad story of a suicide attempt at the jackson family home. police are saying that michael jackson's daughter paris is telling them. stay with us.

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factories shrank in may. we're going to introduce you to some of the small businesses and entrepreneurs making it in this very challenging economy. today the spotlight is on charlie bravo aviation. the company started with just one plane back in 2008, now flies dozens and provides everything from charter flights to airplane sales to clients around the world. joining us now, renee who is the founder and ceo of charlie bravo aviation. have you today. >> thank you. uma: you started this company at a time when the economy was quite challenged, and we were getting terrible news about jobless reports and about businesses being able to make it. why did you decide to make a go of it back then? >> you know, we were probably a little naive. we actually started in february of 2008, so just before the storm hit with increased fuel prices and the recession. uma: so at this particular company that you've taken, you've launched it so that you're now being, you're up to 30 or so internationally you're going to be doing. what is the, what is the best

thing about this company and your secret to success right now? >> you know, the great thing about working in private aviation are the amazing people that we get to meet. we meet them all over the world. the thing that makes us successful is working really hard at a time when other people are maybe coasting or golfing. uma: but the competition is stiff. >> it is. it is, and it's all male. uma: it's all male. you're the only woman broker in the country and in the world, for that matter, as you say that is doing this. >> yeah. uma: talk to us a moment about what that means and what it feels like to know that you are a pioneer in your field. >> in some ways that's great because doors open to me that wouldn't necessarily open, but it's an incredible experience. uma: and you are looking to hire new people now with the company. >> we are hiring, and we are expanding. we're expanding into china and brazil right now. uma: what kinds of opportunities can people look forward to if they wanted to join you? >> sales. lots of phone calls.

uma: it's great to have you. congratulations on your success, and we wish you all the best as always, and we will continue to follow your success story. >> great. appreciate it. gregg: i'd like a ride on one of those. nice. renee, can you arrange that? all right, missing out on hundreds of millions of bucks. take a look at this woman. you may have been just steps away from winning one of the biggest lotto jackpots of all time, but what she did that may have cost her a fortune.

uma: okay. you may have heard about the florida powerball winner who's now $370 million richer. she finally came forward, but did you hear about the woman who let her cut in line to buy the winning ticket?

rick folbaum is joining us here with that part of the story. interesting about timing, rick. >> reporter: well, i guess the lesson, uma, is that it's okay to help a little old lady across the street, but not to let one in front of you in line when you're trying to buy a lotto ticket. mindy crandall was waiting in line at the local supermarket ready to buy her own ticket when she spotted 84-year-old gloria mckenzie angling to do the same. crandall learned later that mckenzie had scored the $590 million ticket. it was one of crandall's daughters who recognized mckenzie from the supermarket. >> she was like, yeah, sometimes it's better to be patient than rich, so i knew then no matter what, we were teaching our daughter the right thing. >> reporter: i guess. lotto officials read a statement from mckenzie yesterday in which she mentioned the nice person who had allowed her to cut in line, maybe a little something more substantial than a thank you could be coming soon now that the whole world knows who mindy crandall is.

pack to you. uma: it would be very nice to see that thank you. thank you very much, rick. ♪ ♪ gregg: right now a sad story out of los angeles. michael jackson's 15-year-old daughter paris is recovering an apparent suicide attempt. julie banderas has more. >> reporter: paris jackson called a suicide hotline, apparently took a bunch of motrin and allegedly cut her arm with a meat cleaver, and the person she spoke with on the phone became so worried enough to call 911. tmz is reporting while cops initially called it a suicide attempt, they don't actually believe she intended to kill herself. one source saying, quote, she wanted attention and wanted to be saved and was upset for not being allow today go to a may lin manson concert. -- marilyn manson concert. the 15-year-old has publicly struggled since her father's death and is at odds with her legal guardians for wanting to

see her biological mother. since jackson's death, paris has become the most visible of her siblings, prince and blanket. one of her co-guardians is michael jackson's mom katherine. now, she has issued a statement which reads: >> r eporter: on tuesday paris actually posted some cryptic tweets which sort of reads into her mind to her million followers including one that reads: >> r eporter: there's also this 20-minute video of her which was posted on youtube last week, and on it she gives a tutorial on how she gets her makeup done. she and her siblings, by the

way, are listed as plaintiffs against concert giant aag live llc who katherine claims is responsible for her son's death. gregg? gregg: we hope she gets the help she needs. we'll be right back, don't go away. i do a lot of research on angie's list before i do any projects on my own. at angie's list, you'll find reviews written by people just like you. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie's list for bringing us together. angie's list -- reviews you can trust.

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swimming champion esther williams has died at the age of 91. she was really famous for her movies like neptune's daughter, and she became the biggest money maker for hollywood at that time. >> that's going to do it for us. america live begins right now. have a great day. fox news alert. major developments in the perjury investigation of eric holder this afternoon. we just got our hands on a letter from the house judicial airy committee that he appear and answer questions about whether he lied under oath. this news just breaking. the chairman joined mow moments before we came to air in a pretaped interview. and i will have that for you and show it to you in just a bit right here. but he confirmed to us that the committee now wants eric holder to come back before congress to explain what it views as