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trophy. thanks to anna for filling in. "fox and friends" tomorrow morning. >> anna: go to foxandfriends.com. fox alert this morning, it will be an extraordinary event. last minute reaction to the important questions about the government collecting our private information. phone records, email accounts and other data. fox news learning that a special closed door on the surveillance programs will take place on capitol hill this week for every member of congress. this as new details revealed about the internet dragnet giving the ns have a unprecedented access to emails and more. white house defending it in advance of tuesday meeting by every member of the house that is extraordinary and unprecedented.
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good morning, i'm eric shawn. >> jamie: i'm jamie colby. people will be really shocked how many people had their emails and conversations monitored. it comes as a director of the national intelligence james clap esh defends the program saying it's been authorized by congress. no american citizens under the law can be intentionally targeted but clap ser taking the unusual step of declassifying certain steps of the program. peter doocy live from washington, really all of this is unprecedented. >> reporter: whoever leaked the information about the nsa gathering program has a big target on their back,000 morning because last night, the justice department confirmed that the director of national intelligence had asked them to investigate which if any laws were broken that disclosed this previously
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classified information. white house is saying before it was disclosed some american lawmakers were briefed, up to 13 times on the surveillance program. deputy national security advisor explained yesterday why the administration for years tried to limit knowledge of how these programs worked just to certain members of congress and fisa courts. >> we have intelligence for a community. we have terrorism we have to combat. we have an enemy that works around our methods of intelligence collection. so we can't broadcast, here is how we collect intelligence on you. given the fact that it is secret you need to bring in courts and congress. >> reporter: critics of the u.s. government's broad surveillance programs continue to complain about having their privacy invaded but the chairman of the house committee mike rogers says the programs
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has prevented at least one terrorist attack on u.s. soil. >> within the last few years and it was in the united states -- i can't tell you more only because of the classification level is still there. we talked to them about trying to get some of that declassified so we can present that in a public forum. >> reporter: and the day after tomorrow, tuesday the entire house of representatives is invited to a secure briefing on the nsa's surveillance program. >> jamie: thank you very much. much more on in this hour. >> eric: new revelations creating another leak administration for the administration as it prepares to open that criminal investigation into who may have revealed the latest information. other an string of leaks in recent years the white house has wanted to stop. in 2009 there a case of correspondent james remove sen his article about
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secret north korean plans to test launch a missile in response to a u.n. resolution. in 2010, army intelligence bradley manning liked hundreds of thousands of documents and in may of 2011, detailed information about the raid that killed osama bin laden leaked to reporters including the involvement of the famed seal team 6. do they damage our national security or is it already known? john bolton, senior fellow the enterprise institute joins us this morning as he does every sunday morning. good morning, ambassador. >> glad to be with you. >> eric: when dealing with the nsa program, do you think its massive invasion of american's privacy? >> it's entirely appropriate. the thing about the program under obama, if anything it build on the foundation that the bush
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administration put in place after 9/11. they have expanded it under president obama. what they are after is not surveiling americans, not reading your emails, not listening into your phone conversations. they are trying to find out about foreign terrorist activity and connection into the united states. so it's very important to understand that none of this is just roaming at large to look at administration enemies or opponents under the obama administration but to have a connection with terrorism. i think that is incredibly important to understand and one of the unfortunate consequences of the obama administration's loss of trust among the american people that some are quick to assume that the obama administration is abusing this information when at least this at this point we don't have any information that that is true. >> eric: there was concerns under the bush
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administration. what do you say to the privacy advocates and think it's a violation of our basic rights? >> privacy requires a reasonable expectation of privacy. when you are out in the internet you are not sitting in your home, these are not your private thoughts. you are using somebody else's communication vehicles often in heavily regulated industries. the subpoenas that are the basis comes from an article 3 court. it's called the fisa court for authorizing statutes, foreign surveillance intelligence act. the real target is foreign activity, terrorist activities that might impinge on the united states. unless you are willing to say you wanted to stop your intelligence activities whenever they reach the east coast of the united states, there will be information from outside into the united states and
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vice versa that are going to be affected. >> eric: explain how the process works, they are listening to everything. how did it start when they get a name or internet address and are there legal safeguards that protect us? >> there are a lot of different programs at issue. one of problems is media's hysteria has prevented people's understanding. some has to do with the historical data and others has to do with ongoing tracking and examination of patterns of phone calls and the like. you know, for decades, there has been a technique known as the pen register when one telephone number calls another. this is technology being updated to take advantage of the technology that the terrorists are using. when people understand that
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conversation themselves but what telephone numbers are dialing what other telephone numbers where there is a predicate of some cause to believe there is a foreign terrorist activity going on i think people will calm down. >> eric: on tuesday there will be a rare meeting of all members of house where the administration will explain this. what do you think the administration will say and do you think it satisfy any of the critics or make them even more livid what is going on? >> i hope first they listen to what they're being told and listen and think about it, number one. number two, leaders in congress have been briefed on this program for a decade. that is the pattern that congress itself established that key officials, speaker of the house and chairman of the committees are briefed rather than having all 3535 members briefed. the reason congress set up that pattern is that congress knows better than
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anybody else if you send a secret to the hill you can count it's continued secrecy half-life in short periods of time. >> eric: so we'll find about it on tuesday? >> we should come back and talk on tuesday and we'll have a lot more knowledge to disseminate. that is the risk here and the reason the administration is ripe to investigation who leaked this. this program is protect innocent american citizens from acts of terrorism. by revealing the program we're telling the terrorists at least in part what our capabilities are which will then enable the terrorists to devise ways to get around them. >> eric: i'm sure next week we'll talk about what happens on tuesday. good to see you as always. >> jamie: an exclusive new interview with victim of friday's shooting rampage that took place in santa monica.
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investigators say this is surveillance photo of the shooter. police say he killed four people including his father and brother. he wounded several others including debra fine shooting her four times. here is our interview with her. >> he was so clear and ferocious and quick in his gaze and everything else. he seemed like a person on a mission. he just turned and looked at me and next thing i knew glass was shattering. my biggest fear he was going to come out and finish. i said, i can't die, i have twins. >> jamie: lucky to be alive. police killed the shooter. police are not publicly releasing his name.
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>> eric: new developments in the investigation of the poison letters. f.b.i. saying a fifth letter has been found at a post office in washington state. that one they say it was intended for the c.i.a. and the envelope looks similar to four other ricin mailings. those letters sent to president obama and others. spokane washington man is charged in connection with this case. new letter is being tested. there are no reports of anyone that was sick by this. this follows the texas case that officials say were sent to the white house and michael bloomberg for his national campaign against gun violence and control over stricter gun rights. >> jamie: new questions over president obama's ability to get back to work on his agenda. as political scandals swirl around the administration.
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i byron joining us now. there are other things on the president's agenda than dealing with the scandals and he'll speak on immigration reform. how do you think he tha will go? >> just remember what we were talking about the president had a big agenda. gun control, climate change all this stuff. in now in june, scanneds have swallowed the whole agenda. white house is playing defense on the irs. they are playing defense on the justice department. playing defense on the surveillance stuff. the president is going to try to get stuff back to track. on tuesday they begin debate. president is going to have a big event at the white house and try to get the nation's attention on reform. he has been talking about
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it in a bunch of fund-raisers. he is trying but so far not succeeding to get things back on track. >> jamie: of all the scandals which one poses the biggest be on stack kalg. high has spoken out about nsa and his team looked at it and scrubbed it clean to make sure everything was on the up and up. they put in additional safeguards. we have learned that people had their information monitored even not supposed to be do it against americans. there are supposed to be folks outside. he defends it. >> i think the administration is going to be able to make significant push backs on the nsa stuff. they will be briefing members of the house on tuesday. a lot of members on capitol hill knew about this stuff and number of republicans they fundamentally agree with the program. it's not as if the
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president is facing huge partisan opposition on this. i continue to think his biggest problem is the irs scandal because the irs touches every american's life and multiple fronts have opened up. the irs to target conservative groups. then we had a hearing last week about excess spending, wasteful spending of the irs and republicans and democrats in the house kind of lining up to beat up on the guy who is from the irs. so there a bipartisan outrage about this, i think that is the president's biggest problem. >> jamie: unemployment numbers went up. so many people out of work and jobs is a big thing on the agenda as well then you have obamacare which will be implemented that will cost small business owners they are fearful of hiring. how does he move the economy in that direction? do you see the president changing course on any of these ideas?
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>> the president doesn't move the economy. that is not going to happen. you did see it tick up. it's great of to you mention this, for every other topic that has been talked about, unemployment is 7.35%. the economic recovery is selective. millions of americans are suffering. that is a huge issue not just to them but the political system. for the second half of this year it's entirely possible obamacare would be the major story because the exchanges are supposed to go into business on october 1. a lot of talk the government is not ready for them and other people talking about train wreck. it could be a rocky next few months for the president. >> irs is tasked with the big implementation for obamacare. byron, great to get your insight. thank you. >> eric: next hour we will be talking to the
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♪ ♪ >> eric: this morning, nelson mandela spending a 2nd day in the hospital. ailing leader who has been hospitalized with a recurring lung infection was admitted after his health worsened. they are describing his condition serious. this is his fourth hospital stay in the last six months. this morning, hundreds of south africans gathered for a mass to pray for his recovery. he the anti-apartheid icon
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that served 27 years in prison and is considered by south africans as the father of their country. >> jamie: brand-new fox news interview and big one at that. kentucky senator rand paul raising serious concerns over widespread government surveillance of millions of us. >> over the last 30 or 40 years we've said once you give your records to your bank or visa company they are no longer private. i disagree with that. that is what we have to reverse because soap of our life is digitalized we have to protect it. we have a government appears to target based on their political beliefs. >> jamie: powerful words. joining us the anchor of fox news chris wallace.
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great to have you here. what is he going to do about it? >> two things, he wants to take the indication to supreme court. he is calling for a class action lawsuit. he appealed for americans to join him in saying this a unconstitutional, an invasion of privacy. fact that the government is scooping up all of our phone records and lot of internet information, as well. he is talking about a class action lawsuit going to the supreme court. he is talking about filing legislation something called the fourth amendment restoration act plus the fourth amendment of the constitution protects against unreasonable searches and seizures and put something legislation in the hopper that would create -- basically his idea there ought to be targets. in other words, if they have information that you are a bad guy, they want to get all the information about your phone records or internet, then get a warrant and get that
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information, but the idea they are scooping up apparently three million phone -- three billion phone records a day. every call that is made in country he says, he calls it an astounding assault on the constitution and he wants to stop it. >> jamie: does he mention the patriot act? >> yeah, but i think the new act the rest foration act of 2013 he feels is the better way to go at it. having said that i have to tell you as a political matter i think it's going to be very hard to get serious changes in this. one of the few issues that house speaker boehner and democratic senate majority leader harry reid have agreed on in the last year, they came out in defense of this program as they both been briefed on. last time there was an extension of some of the measures in this act was passed 73 votes in the
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senate. it's going to be tough. the idea you are going to restrict programs that lot of people protect us from terrorism. we also talked to the head of nas security agency, general michael hayden defends the program. idea that congress is going to restrict the government from do what they say is necessary to protect us against terrorism is a tough vote. >> jamie: i'm personally careful what i say on the air because i don't want to help the bad guys. you don't want to give information to help them in their war on terror. did he classifying this program that is critical release of this information basically handed over a playbook of some of our methods to the terrorists. do we need to recover from that or is it okay they know maybe there is more they don't? >> the answer is we didn't discuss that, but the answer is the idea that there is a huge dragnet of
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surveillance, i think is something that any terrorist would have suspected. i would be surprised that the idea that emails and phone calls are intercepted. we are long way from knowing how they pull that off and how they are able to sift through 3 billion phone calls a day. this is the reason that osama bin laden didn't conduct any business on the internet or by phones. it was all done by personal courier as we found very thankfully a couple years ago. it has dangers too, if you have a courier, you find bin laden. >> jamie: coming up, i'll ask if that is efficient use of national security resources to be looking through billions and billions. looking forward to the interview. good to see you. for chris's full interview
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with rand paul, tune into fox news sunday and as he mentioned. he has interviews with ron johnson but also you want to hear from former director michael hayden today at 2:00 and 6:00 p.m. eastern. >> eric: a lot to go over. meanwhile, there is more violent protests in turkey. they have been increasing and increasingly troubling situation that seems to grow with each passing day. what is going on in turkey, will it end? we'll have the latest in a live report. >> jamie: millions of americans are being treated for high blood pressure and new study, maybe you don't have to be. we'll tell you about that in sunday house calls straight ahead.
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