>> congratulations, david. >> thank you very much. >> eric: have a great sunday. thank you. >> be well. >> jamie: we start with a fox news alert. there will be an almost unprecedented closed-door briefing on capitol hill this week because the questions continue to grow about widespread surveillance of millions of americans, maybe even more, including the collection of phone records, emails and more. lawmakers from both sides of the aisle, speaking out and raising this alarm this morning, ahead of the meeting that is expected for the entire congress on tuesday. good morning to all of you. welcome to a brand-new hash in america's news headquarters. >> eric: good morning on this sunday morning. i'm eric shawn. the white house is strongly defending its surveillance program, saying they protect us from foreign terrorists. officials have sided the -- cited the email effort for stopping the 2009 plot to bomb

the new york city subway system. james clapper taking the extraordinary step of declassifying some of the details over the response of the increasing outrage and concern by some critics. steve centanni has the latest on this from washington. good morning, steve. >> reporter: this is an issue that crosses party lines, the defenders and critics of the nsa surveillance come from both sides of the aisle. one outspoken republican senator, a staunch defender of civil liberties, suggests that the program goes way too far. >> we are talking about trolling through billions of phone records. we are not talking about going after a terrorist -- i am all for that. get a warrant, go after a terrorist or a murderer or a rapist. but don't troll through a billion phone records every day. that's unconstitutional t. invades our privacy. >> reporter: the they monitor phone records, but they don't

monitor conversations. members of congress are rutonely briefed. another prominent republican, senator john mccain, says the surveillance can definitely help prevent terrorist attacks. >> perhaps there has been some overreach, but to somehow think that because we are having phone calls recorded as far as their length and who they were talking to -- i don't think that that is necessarily wrong if they want to go further and they have to go to this court. >> reporter: president obama has said the surveillance program strikes the right balance between security and privacy and is only a modest encroachment on privacy. >> eric: of course, that meeting, all members of the house, in 48 hours, we will probably find out a lot more then, tank you. >> jamie: we want to get you up

to speed on the breaking developments on this story. let's separate fact from fiction. we have a senior fellow at the center for advanced defense studies. thank you for being here. even the president says you have to give up privacy if you want protection. but is this overreaching? >> it's way overreaching. vidone this before, progress danger was doing this pre-9/11. it's aboutidatey quality, want quantity. 99.9% of everybody in the country are not terrorists. so if you are making your job difficult -- only from the technical aspect, if you are flooding yourself with all of this unneeded information as rand paul points out, you don't need this, you are making this job 100 times more difficult. if you are going through, basically, 10 billion documents looking for 5, you likely to miss those. and 2009, that's a mcguffin.

they didn't use this program to get the 2009 bombing stopped. the british helped us do that. they missed the hassan nadal attack and the boston bottoming, too. so the credibility of the program is not there. there is no way to justify the overreach. we need to be concerned because of the documentation being obtained, we can't focus on what is necessary to get to the treel terrorists. >> jamie: i also in my reading to speak with ow this read more about a program, codes named prism. in that program, i was myself surprised to learn that google, apwill, microsoft, facebook and aol, all participating and turning over, with the judge's ruling, a secret court order until now, allowing actual conservations, emails, video chats, instant messages and more. how helpful has this information

been, though, looking at the government's point of view of why they continue to spend national security resources and -- efficient or not efficient -- you tell me, to review that much material? >> again tgoes back to the point of garbage in, garbage out. a great deal of time we spent chasing the 9/11 terrorists, the data mining identified two of three cells that conducted the 9/11 attacks by looking at the precise nodes and specific groups of individuals, not everything. the moment you go into the servers, you are on a fishing expedition which cannot be justified. from a practical persective -- perspective, you have only so much brain power and hours a die crunch the data. you cannot get the group if you are looking at tens of thousands of terra bites that are

irrelevant. i think they are going to get more information on tuesday by jim clapper. >> jamie: >> jamie: as a journalist, i don't like to suggest a problem without a possible solution. >> two things. first, have you to get human intelligence. i know jim clapper -- he does not like human intelligence. the other technology is sexy. they want to take the technology and use it. it's expensive, so they have built a cottage industry. agent operation and interrogation are expensive. we have stepped away from that because this administration doesn't want to capture people and retain them. we have to get back to that. the other problem is that we are looking at symptoms. this will give you symptoms to identify some of the problems, you are not getting into the networks. we have to get back to the basics. we have to git back to the things we do well -- penetrate networks with traditional human

intelligence and step away from the technology and find a balance of technology get inside the networks. otherwise, we will get more surprises like boston. >> jamie: did mr. clapper lie? >> from what i have seen, yeah, he did. he has two questions about a direct question about data. he can say, we have to take this in a closed session -- i have testified, i am under oath, i have to say what the truth is. with all due respect, those issues are classified. we have to identify these issues in particular. as far as kitell, based on what he said, saying there was no data retained by u.s. citizens, he lied. there is no other way to say t. the question becomes, how does he tell the truth and what comes out? clearly, the information has been retained on tens of thousands, if not millions of u.s. citizens for no good reason. >> jamie: we report, as always and the folks decide. but your insight is so helpful today. big story.

eric? >> eric: an exclusive interview with new details in the horrendous shooting rampage that left five people dead, including the gunman, his father and his brother. >> the shooter here in this surveillance photo, walking into the santa monica library at the college there. well, he was carrying, they say, more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition. this leads them to believe the killings were premeditated whether he started to open fire on knowledges, a bus and other victims in santa monica who just unintentionally crossed his path. we go live to santa monica with the latest. hello, dominic. >> reporter: hey, there. it was 1300 rounds, in total, an incredible amount of ammunition. and the santa monica police chief saying anybody who puts that amount of ammunition in a bag, takes a handgun, a shotgun

and an assault rifle, was mostly certainlyo a premeditated path to hurt as many people as possible. there are nine crime scenes as a result of that rampage, through the neighborhood, where the police are trying to investigate and piecing together exactly why the gunman went on the shooting spree. they do know that he attended the college in 2010 and although the police are saying this wasn't a school shooting. it seems he was focused and intent on getting there, particularly from the witness who is were saying that that is exactly where they wanted him to take them. deborah fine was shot four times, still has shrapnel in her body. what she saw was a gunman pointing a point-blank range, his rifle at a woman, next to her car. she took her own vehicle and thrust her car between the gunman and the woman to try to protect her.

she screamed, no, don't, stop! that's when the gunman turned on her. >> the next thing i knew, glass was shattering on the passenger side. i thought, let's go into my shoulder and my other shoulder. my car crashed because, you know, i had been -- didn't have it in park. then i went down into the passenger side and just pretended that i was dead. so i just laid as still as i could. my biggest fear was that he was going to come out and he was going to -- you know, finish... and i said, i can't die. i have twins. >> reporter: she's extremely lucky to be alive. one of the other victims who was shot and is in critical condition, she is not expected to survive at this time. the police have been telling us. we are hearing that the students will be allowed back on campus today to retrieve their belongings and final exams will take place in the morning, as

the college tries to get itself back together. but it's one of the active crime scenes at this time. >> eric: all right. deborah's recounting of what happened to her is just chilling. >> there are new developments in a deadly building collapse in philadelphia. the equipment operator wanted on manslaughter and other charges has turned himself in. investigators say he was high on marijuana while using demolition equipment, the day of the collapse and his attorney says his client is, quote, not responsible. six people were killed and 13 injured on wednesday when the building came crashing down t. crushed a neighboring salvation army store. lots of injuries there. >> we are tracking the sunday morning, an increasingly troubling situation in turkey, that seems to grow with each passing day. thousands of protesters have been clashing with police in the capitol, after a defiant move by the nation's prime minister.

we go live to the mideast bureau with the latest. this seems to be a growing and not being stamped down yet. >> reporter: eric, the situation in turkey is calmer than it has been in the past few days, but the political crisis is far from over. last night, police and pro-government supporters, clashed with anti-government opponents in turkey. 5,000 people took to the streets t. did get violent with the police using tear gas and water cannons to disperse the crowd. but the widespread violence that we saw earlier in the week and even last weekend seems to have disappeared. omcision gliewps are -- groups are calling for more protests. but we are not seeing the hundreds of this happeneds of people taking to the streets. several thousand people continue to up on istanbul's square, defying government ares to go

home. the atmosphere is far more festive, it's a peaceful protest so far. the main target of the young, secular and urban protesters seems to be the prime minister, who activists and opponents say is increasingly authorityarian. and the prime minister is defiant and continues to enjoy widespread support across turkey. he has dismissed the protesters as looters and says he's not going to engage with him. while other prime ministers are saying theyville a dialogue. right now, he has refused to hold early elections, one of the main calls. protesters. it does appears they are going in two directions, the protesters want a dialogue. they. the government to be more respectful to the wishes of the protesters, but the prime minister is refusing. where this will go in the future is anyone's guest. but right -- anyone's guess.

but it doesn't appear to be headed toward a next arab spring. >> eric: thankfully for that. three people have been killed, including a police officer. conner powell, thank you. jamie? >> jamie: you may already know it's been a rough weekend for much of the country because of tropical storm andrea. but there is a new round of extreme weather. it's battering parts of the plains and the south. and hot temperatures? >> the west is baking with record temperatures. i will show you that in a second. today, severe weather across the plains and big thunderstorms across the southeast. most of those not severe. any severe weather we see as the cold front pulls into missouri and arkansas and towards illinois. this is the bull's-eye to the north of the st. louis area and down to around greenville,

mississippi. all of that mid-mississippi river valley. mostly, we are talking about strong could see a small tornado develop. but it's mostly a strong wind, 50, 60 miles per hour. behind that is where the heat is. it's mostly here across the colorado river valley and the desert area, into the southwest. excessive heat warnings through the day from death valley towards barstow and kingman and down at the bottom of the grand canyon as l. the temperatures will feel like 110 to one 20. yesterday, take a look at the records. death valley, california. got to 126 degrees. a record for the date. las vegas, 112. winslow, arizona, famous for the song, 103. that's before the monsoon comes in toward the south woaflt.

phoenix today, 109. get ready this week, 109, 110 all week long in phoenix. >> jamie: brutal. thanks? >> jamie, so far, there have been five hearingsed on the irs on capitol hill so far. and some of the most important questions about the agency and the political targeting scandal remain a mystery. who ordered it. what did they want to find out? how high will it go? we will be filled in by tray gowdy. >> jamie: also, new concerns over the health of nelson mandela, who is hospitalized again. he's 94 and ailing. we will have an update on his condition, next. at od, whatever business you're in, that's the business we're in.

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>> jamie: former south africa president nelson mandela is spending his second day in the hospital, battling a recurring lung infection. he is the anti-apartheid icon, who sppt from serving 27 years in a prison to his nation's presidency and is considered by many, the father of their country.

doctors describing his condition as, quote, serious. this is his fourth hospital stay in the last six months. >> eric: back to one of our top stories, the investigation into the irs targeting of politically conservative groups. so far, the congress has held five hearings into this. many of the critical question, including, who ordered the targeting and why, have yet to be answered, one irs official in the cincinnati office claiming that the targeting orders came from headquarters in washington, d.c. that directly contradicting what americans were first told. where this will investigation go? south carolina congressman tradetray gowdy is a republican and member of the house committee on oversight and government reform, conducting some of the hearings. good morning, congressman. >> good morning. >> eric: good to see you. you are a former federal prosecutor. we have brought that up before. how important do you think is the new information that the targeting eagdzly came from washington? >> it's critical.

it explains the why. and your viewers want to know the who, what, when and where. but they want to know the why. i don't think anybody believe this came from a couple of rogue agency, but we have evidence that it never came from a couple of rogue agents. it is critical that we understand what the impetus was and we are getting closer to it. but, eric, as you noted, we have had several hearings and we need to start moving towards folk who is wear badges and have black robes and away from guys guys al who is have ties and sit in congress. if you want to know, the who, what, when and where -- all the information -- which i do -- we are going to have to move to the criminal justice system and away from congress. >> eric: what are the chaps of this? >> i hope they are really good. there are three reasons people talk. number 1, you can compel them. number 2, you can incent or encourage them.

or number 3, they can feel a sense of moral obligation to actual what they know. congress is not good at any of the three. we can't make people talk. we goant have access to a grand jury. we don't have access to immunity or plea deals where you work your way up. i mean, what we have now are lower-level folks that have information we want access to. it would be great if we lived in a wort where they felt a moral obligation to tell us. that's not the world we live n. so you need to force them through a grand jury or incent them through a plea deal or immunity. but congress this hash five drakes at a hearing. we can have 500 hearings. we can't bring to bear all the pressure that the criminal justice system can bring to bear to get folks to talk. >> eric: a democrat ranking member of the committee is calling on the transcripts to be released of the interviews with the cincinnati workers, should they be released?

what do you think they would show? >> well, hopefully, i am all for disclosure -- not national security secrets, which appears to be in vogue, but i am all for disclosure for the people who pay the salary it's your viewers and fellow citizens. i upon to know who started this. i want to know why it was started. i want to know where it was started. i want to know who knew about it, who approved it. we have had supervisors come, the shulmans and the millers and the lerner -- although her say was fairly brief and involved constitutional protections. we have had some of the supervisors. i want to know from the firsthand witnesses, the people on the ground who were actually writing the letters and who talked to the folks in washington. but eric, we know of two jurisdictions involved, ohio and the district of columbia. again, i don't want to sound like a broken record, but they

can be right. we need a special prosecutor with multi-jurisdictional authority and investigative tools. disclose it all, but what can congress do about it? we can't even fire people! we have proven-- you mention that and lois lerner. i mean, she is in front of you and takes the fifth. she apologized in a planted question, american bar association meeting in may. that's how this allegedly first came out. let me show nu2011, a year after the targing allegedly happened. she told another conference, mostly what i want to focus on is c4, c5 and 6s that are self proclaimed. but based on what they are doing, they shouldn't be in the section they are n. they look like they are exempt bah they are probably not following the right rules. there have you miss lerner on the record, blaming -- it seems -- the groups themselves.

>> what a disconnect, eric. that anyone would believe exercising your first amendment right to express your political views is a taxable event. government ought to be able to tax you for expressing a constitutionally protected right. but some folks, the longer they stay in government, the more myopic their view. one of our democratic colleagues in ways & means was blaming the groups until paul ryan aptly corrected them. how dare you want to assert your first amendment right -- god-given right, i hasten to add, not from government, to express yourself on political views. miss lerner thinks have you to check off certain boxes before you can do it. why is that a taxable event? why should government get revenue off your inserting yourself, as is your right, into the political process? this has caused an uproar.

congressman, we thank you for the insight. we look forward to having you back and what have you to say in the future hearings. >> great. have a good sunday. >> jamie: members of congress will get a closed-door briefing on the nsa spy programs and peter king is here next, we will ask him what he wants to honor learn in that meeting with intelligence officials. [ larry ] younow throughout history,

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attend, peter king, on the house homeland committee and is here now. good morning, congressman. >> good morning, eric. >> eric: always good to see you. on tuesday, when you sit there and they close the door and everyone's sworn to silence and secrecy. what do you think they will tell you? what do you want to hear? >> probably, i will have heard most of this before, in the intelligence committee. i have been on the security homeland committees. by the way -- ?arz i know, every member of congress could have obtained this information on their own fthey wanted to. i hope this briefing will come down -- calm down some of the historics and talk about this being a spying program and they'll lay out the detail, why it's necessary. as far as the president -- i think part of the problem we have here is that the president of the united states has gone out of his way to say how different he is from president bush and we are back to a

pre-9/11 stage with the terrorist threat. but the terrorist threat is as bad as it ever was and the president, because of that is continuing most of president bush's programs. but let me give a plug to the president. there is nothing in this for him politically. he campaigned beans the tie-backs for the tsa and ongott the situation, realized how dangerous it is, he decided to keep intact some of the revisions and modifications of the bush agenda. i give him credit for doing that. i hope the republicans don't attack him because he happens to be a democrat. i would hope the democrats who were so much against president bush will maybe reconsider when they see that president obama has continued the programs? >> do you think the attacks are fair? critics say this is a violation of americans' privacy, violation of the constitutions and supporters, such as yourself say, this is the only way to catch terrorists? >> i don't believe in any way

it's a violation of constitution. this is subject to court supervision. kisay that i have heard people from the nsa, they will complain and say how tough it is when they try to get orders signed byked judges and they are not rubber-stamped in any way. there is definitely court supervision am these are matters that can't be made public, so the leaking of this information is really dangerous to our country. i hope whoever did it is found out and prosecute audio. >> eric: dodge the leaks really have damaged our national security because of this? >> if we are letting the enemy know what we are being looking at and how it's done, yes, absolutely. they knew, obviously al qaeda knows that we're attempting to stop them and they are trying to stay one step ahead of us. but when you lay out the game plan, it has to help them treally does. as far as the overall issue of privacy, this is a legitimate defwhait we can have and should have as to how serious the threat is and what -- privacy

invasions are allowed. i don't consider this an invasion, there is not an expectation of privacy, when your reareds are held by a third party. i think it should be laid out what the protections and are how these-- the same as when the judge signs a warrant for search and seizure, the same as when we give weapons to police officers. we have protections in place, only certain restrictions. >> they say, we have only a little bit of time left. in one of the cases, convicted of trying to bomb the new york city subway system, 2009. somebody sent an email to pakistan to trace back to where he lived in auror accomrado, and they followed him across the george washington bridge and nap nabbed him. >> if he hadn't been stopped, you would have had hundreds of americans killed in the new york city subway system, on the

september 11 anniversary in 2009. anyone who talks about the invasion of privacy, think of those charred bodies would look like. they would talk about there were phone calls and nothing was done. that's an example. when you think of the hundreds and hundreds of people and their families -- the suffering that they were saved from because of this -- and no one was -- no one was hurt by this so-called invasion of privacy. hundreds of lives at least were saved. let's keep this in perspective. let's never forget september 11. i went to too many wakes and funerals. i am supporting what the president is attempting to do here. >> eric: he will get the scoop on tuesday. thank you. >> thank you, eric. >> jamie: meantime, liz trotta says there is a new threat facing us from a new region. >> you probably haven't been paying much attention to jihad these days, with the hearings,

bad weather and endless obama lectures on who we really are. nevertheless, jihad is flowering in north and west africa, which are shaping up to be our next foreign adventure. just this week, while everyone was entranced by what caused michael douglas's throat cancer, the state department announced it would pay $5 million to anyone who offers up information leading to the whereabouts of muktar bill muktar. perhaps you remember him, the scourge of the sahara, who in january, launched an attack on a b.p. gas depot in algeria. 39 people died. within weeks, african officials, again, announced they had gunned down and killed him. not true. the french didn't call him the uncatchable for nothing. this one-eyed prince of terror is still in business. he is a frightening and canny

creature out of arabian knights, who many see as the successor to osama bin laden. born in algeria, he is the incarnation of anti-ka colonialism and he understands the american media's fascination with romantic figures. he was back in the news. an associated press aren't discovered correspondence with his al qaeda bosses in a pile of trash left behind in timbuktu. among the finds? a 10-page letter dated october 32012. and signed by the 14 members of a tope al qaeda council. two months after it was sent, he broke away from the al qaeda northern command and went out on his own. he calls the new group, the signed in blood brigade. bear in mind, a.p. says three isn't experts, including one who

worked at the pentagon, have authenticated the letter. we do not independently vouch for its validity. al qaeda management in north africa accused him, now 40 years old, of being a prima donna, among some 30 complaints? he doesn't file his expense reports on time. he doesn't return phone calls or emails. he shows off on the internet, he doesn't get along with the local amirs and he doesn't charge enough for the ransom of hostages. the going rate is $3 million a head. the unkindest cut of all was the accusation that with plentiful weapons and plenty of new recruits available, he hadn't pulled off a really big media-friendly blood bath. quote, your brigade did not achieve a single spectacular operation targeting the crusader alliance. the overall effect of the letter

is that he is not a bureaucrat. so when corporate management complained, he struck back, killing more than 100 people in the b.p. raid and attacks on a french mining site and a military installation. there is, of course, no escaping the dark humor of this beacon of the corporate culture of al qaeda. some suggest he learned it from us. but he brings to the world of jihad a colorful commercialism that invites the displeasure of his islamist handlers. he is known for his impressive record of planning and constituting mass murder, kidnapping regard and cigarette smuggling. not for nothing is he often referred to as the marlboro man. a new york times/cbs news poll finds after a dozen years of war, almost 6 in 10 americans do not want the country to take a

major role in settling conflicts overseas. with bell moktar in high gear, it will be tempting to expand the hired guns in africa to keep an eye on it. >> jamie: roughly 24 hours until the start of george zimmerman's second-degree murder trial in florida. the first hurdle is jury selection. unique challenges in the case. i will talk about it with doug burns, next. [ male announcer ] frequent heartburn? the choice is yos. chalky... not chalky. temporary... 24 hour. lots of tablets... one pill. you decide. prevent acid with prevacid 24hr.

>> jamie: george zimmerman goes on trial on monday t. starts with jury selection. he claims he acted in self-defense when he fired his gun and fatally killedva -- killed trayvon martin. doug, there is so much to talk

about. we will spend several hours tomorrow, covering this trial together. but i want to ask you first about jury selection. >> jury selection's always difficult in a case with this kind of media attention because have you to ensure that the jurors can put whatever they have seen or heard completely out of their mind and start with a clean slate. it is not that easy to determine that when you question him. >> jamie: he will claim self-defense and trayvon martin isn't here. they have the one phone call they

>> they -- looking the everydi detail. i think that the phone call may

become important. >> jamie: the defense doesn't want it in. it is being reported for every reason. zimmerman has been inside. he hasn't been able to go outside. i put a side by side of what he looked at the beginning, he has put on 100 or 125 pounds. does that matter to the jury? does the defense attorney have to prove he wasn't this size at the time of the incident that, one split second that matters? >> that's a very good question. i had this identical question with identity, the defense lawyer saying, this is not the same person. we went up to the side bar, the man lost 80 pounds, whatever it was. the answer to your question is that the defense has to make sure that they establish to the jury, wait a minute, he was "x" pounds lighter, don't judge it on his current appearance. subliminally, that's his job to

make it clear. >> jamie: did george zimmerman believe there was an imminent threat that justified the lethalg force isn't supreme court ruling on that and the science involved, can't be junk science, the recordings. doug, we have a lot to talk about tomorrow. >> we sure do. >> jamie: thank you for coming? >> eric: her family challenged the government's transplant list policies, but they are still desperately waiting for new lungs. the battle for sarah and a similar case that has come to our attention. we'll be right back. at od, whatever business you're in, that's the business we're in

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>> eric: a family challenged the government's transplant list policies and now sarah is unable to breathe on her own. she had been placed on the adult waiting list for new lungs in that court fight. our hearts go out to saraw and her family. >> reporter: absolutely. you know, sarah was intubated yesterday afternoon, which means she is breathing with the help of a ventilator. her family says she is sedated and resting. but this new development is not a good sign. >> the fact that sarah was intubated and is on a ventularity is a bad sign. she has very limed time because of the lung pressures that build up with cystic fibrosis. >> reporter: she is bathing for her life at children's hospital of philadelphia. she has been on a children's waiting list for donated lungs for 18 months. and doctors have told her parents, she has only weeks to live without a transhaplant.

-- transplant. she is now on an adult waiting list. the judge made a similar ruling for 11-year-old xavier acosta of new york. the organ procurement network is meeting in another development to review current transplant policy. peter johnson jr. spent time with the family at the hospital and ask sarah's dad what he hope so her daughter's life lk will be like after a transplant. >> she goes back to school and is like the other kids. before the c.f. get into a doe cline of lung function, she went to school and did what other kids did before her lungs deteriorated. i want her to go back to being like another kid and doing everything that kids do. >> reporter: we are keeping in contact with sarah's family today. >> eric: we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] i've seen incredib things.

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>> jamie: that's it for us. you want more, follow me on twitter? >> eric: eric shawn on fox on twitter. have a good day. >> shannon: the war on terror or a massive government overreaching into your private life? americans try to figure out what to think of the national security agency's data-mieping program. one senator upons to take this issue all the way to the supreme court. we'll have the latest on the nsa controversy. rand paul makes startling claims about what was going on in benghazi, libya, last september. we'll talk to him about why he says the administration is not coming clean. and racing against the clock. a 10-year-old girl who needs a life-saving lung transplant waits and hopes. we have the exclusive with the family. we will bring you that interview. i'm shannon bream. america's news headquarters live from the